Re: new here
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 22:04:14 +0100, Daniel wrote: > I am on forums but tend to stay away from them unless I absolutely have > to. I like newsgroups as they are - though I have noticed a massive drop > in users ever since Google dropped their groups service. I also saw a > minor drop in spam. Absolutely. It was sort of an intelligence test. I've used the server at the Freie Universität Berlin from back in the days when it was free rather than 10 Euros a year so life went on smoothly. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 22:15:37 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> Lesser used protocols not known by many in the mainstream. Such as:
>
> gopher, gemini, finger, spartan, titan, etc.
>
> An example of use, here's a weather service tied to a finger. Put your
> city name as the user. This isn't mine, but it is inspiring. Example:
>
> finger mi...@graph.no
>
> For all options, go to the help finger:
>
> finger h...@graph.no
Thanks. Interesting. I was surprised a Norwegian site would have data for
a small city in the US. I have a Python script that accesses the NOAA
(National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) API and the data in the
Meteogram appears to match well. fwiw, all that does is
observation_url = f"https://api.weather.gov/stations/K{grid_id}/
observations/latest"
response = requests.get(observation_url).json()
using the Python 'requests' package and then parsing out the JSON.
Implementing finger probably would be a straight socket connection. I
don't know how useful this is:
https://pypi.org/project/pyfinger/
I assume gopher is fron the archie, veronica, and jughead days. It appears
straightforward.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1436
It's another use of a simple socket connection.
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/sockets.html
You may be able to gleam something from
https://sr.ht/~lioploum/offpunk/
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Re: new here
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:43:59 +1200, dn wrote: > The OpSys on this machine no longer features finger (available for > installation as an 'extra'). My Ubuntu 22.04 box has it, the Fedora 40 one doesn't. Ubuntu offers to install gopher, Fedora doesn't. Go figure. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
rbowman writes:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 22:15:37 +0100, Daniel wrote:
>
>> Lesser used protocols not known by many in the mainstream. Such as:
>>
>> gopher, gemini, finger, spartan, titan, etc.
>>
>> An example of use, here's a weather service tied to a finger. Put your
>> city name as the user. This isn't mine, but it is inspiring. Example:
>>
>> finger mi...@graph.no
>>
>> For all options, go to the help finger:
>>
>> finger h...@graph.no
>
> Thanks. Interesting. I was surprised a Norwegian site would have data for
> a small city in the US. I have a Python script that accesses the NOAA
> (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) API and the data in the
> Meteogram appears to match well. fwiw, all that does is
>
>observation_url = f"https://api.weather.gov/stations/K{grid_id}/
> observations/latest"
> response = requests.get(observation_url).json()
I think he uses a weather service API to call the data, and I'm sure
they all share data across other national weather services. That's just
a guess.
>
> using the Python 'requests' package and then parsing out the JSON.
> Implementing finger probably would be a straight socket connection. I
> don't know how useful this is:
>
> https://pypi.org/project/pyfinger/
>
> I assume gopher is fron the archie, veronica, and jughead days. It appears
> straightforward.
I use gopher all the time, and the lynx browser supports it directly.
If you have lynx, you can visit this gopher interface to Wikipedia:
gopher://gopherpedia.com
If you like Reddit, there's this
gopher://gopherddit.com
Of course it's read only, but if you're wishing to leisurely read posts
on reddit in a super fast gopher page, you can.
Right now, I'm focused on providing wiktionary.org services on gopher as
well as finger.
These are longterm projects since I can only learn python and code on
spare time, which I have little.
/snip
I will be posting my coding questions in here.
Thanks guys.
Daniel
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Re: new here
Jason Friedman writes: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 4:04 PM Daniel via Python-list < > python-list@python.org> wrote: > >> >> An example of use, here's a weather service tied to a finger. Put your >> city name as the user. This isn't mine, but it is inspiring. Example: >> >> finger mi...@graph.no >> >> For all options, go to the help finger: >> >> finger h...@graph.no > > > Quite cool! Right? It's so quick too. Just thinking how broad you can make it - accessing live data on the internet without the need of a broadband connection. If you want to check out the fingerverse finger fingerve...@happynetbox.com If you remember webrings, there's a finger ring, though there aren't alot of fingers registered on there yet. finger r...@thebackupbox.net Daniel -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:40:52 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > The Pico uses MicroPython which is stuck on an old version of Python, > unfortunately. I think it's up to 3.4 in general and erratic past that. It doesn't have the match from 3.10. I don't think it has f-strings though it may have the walrus. There are workarounds but it can be annoying. I haven't worked with CircuitPython lately and don't know if it has pulled in later features. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: new here
After looking at what is going on in the other area, I am convinced that we need multiple boards with different ideas of what should be moderated or even ones where only very egregious behavior gets you banned. There is serious debate there about whether the group of people in charge of a more focused set of duties should even be given the ability to manage the mailing lists versus others. There are advantages to having a safe environment but not when the keepers want to stifle dissent or promote their own agendas as if everyone buys into them. I see hints there will be changes there as they were a tad tone deaf and did not seem to care if anyone objected. Let's keep this forum going. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Dan Sommers via Python-list Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2024 4:57 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: new here On 2024-08-20 at 23:16:48 -0400, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > I do wonder if the people at python.org want multiple forums. There is > also one that sort of tutors people that obviously has an overlapping > but different audience. $ python -m this The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters [...] There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it. Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch. [...] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:10:00 +0100, Daniel wrote: > If you have lynx, you can visit this gopher interface to Wikipedia: > > gopher://gopherpedia.com Yeah, that works and I could find Hillbilly Elegy (film). The text was fine but the 'Accolades' table was garbled. It came up on the Netflix recommendations and I watched it last night so when it said 'Search' I wanted to see what it would do. It came back with links to the book, the film, the Vances, and cast member bios. It's a subset of the Wiki 'Search in..' but still impressive. Python certainly will get the job done either on the client or server side. Being retro tech should make life easier than some of the web services frameworks. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On 23/08/24 07:49, rbowman via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:40:52 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: The Pico uses MicroPython which is stuck on an old version of Python, unfortunately. How did this enter the conversation/thread? Paul's 'contribution' does not even appear on the Archive... I think it's up to 3.4 in general and erratic past that. It doesn't have the match from 3.10. I don't think it has f-strings though it may have the walrus. There are workarounds but it can be annoying. Two points: - it's cut-down to work on bare-metal which makes for low demands on resources, but commensurate shortage of the facilities we CPython developers take for-granted (ie may allow ourselves to find annoying) - it has f-strings, but frustrates those of us who prefer F-strings - the docs point-out that (compared with full-fat Python) it is less consistent across environments. Accordingly, worth reading the "Quick Reference for [your processor]" sections of the docs, eg R-Pi Pico version only has half of the ADC-methods. Once scale expectations to take into account the power of the processor, MicroPython goes-like-the-clappers! I haven't worked with CircuitPython lately and don't know if it has pulled in later features. Have you (gentle reader) used both and feel able to offer a comparison - when to prefer one over the other? [https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/like-the-clappers.html] -- Regards, =dn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:36:02 +1200, dn wrote: > On 23/08/24 07:49, rbowman via Python-list wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:40:52 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >> >>> The Pico uses MicroPython which is stuck on an old version of Python, >>> unfortunately. > > How did this enter the conversation/thread? > > Paul's 'contribution' does not even appear on the Archive... I'm probably guilty. I mentioned in passing the older protocols like finger could even be implemented on something like the Pico W with MicroPython. I am confused by the cross-over to Python-list. I only read/post to comp.lang.python. Is that echoed to Python-list or vice versa? >> I haven't worked with CircuitPython lately and don't know if it has >> pulled in later features. > > Have you (gentle reader) used both and feel able to offer a comparison - > when to prefer one over the other? I've only used CircuitPython on the Adafruit Playground Express. https://circuitpython.org/board/circuitplayground_express/ and MicroPython on the Pico W. Since then Adafruit has expanded their collection of boards and support them with CircuitPython. One difference that makes them hard to compare is the Express has quite a few on-board sensors like the Arduino Nano Sense 33, and interfaces to them are baked into CircuitPython. The Pico W has a wealth of I/O most doubling as I2C, PWM, or A/D with only a onboard LED for the mandatory 'hello world' blink code. MicroPython is more generic and you may have to import modules for specific external devices like the SSD1306 OLED display. That's easily done with Thonny or pipkin. As far as core Python I'd say they're similar. MicroPython is more generic and may require more work to set up where Adafruit can match the boards they have developed. As I said it's been a while but MicroPython has the _threading module so you can utilize both cores of the RP2040. Adafruit's new Feather has a RP2040 and like the Pico W assumes you'll be using the PIO to externals rather than anything onboard so CircuitPython probably has it. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4884 >From the horse's mouth: "There is great C/C++ support, unofficial (but really good) Arduino support, an official MicroPython port, and a CircuitPython port! We of course recommend CircuitPython because we think it's the easiest way to get started and it has support with most of our drivers, displays, sensors, and more, supported out of the box so you can follow along with our CircuitPython projects and tutorials." I don't know if Adafruit has a RP2350 board yet but they say CircuitPython will be even happier on the Pico 2. https://www.adafruit.com/product/6006 For better or worse there are a lot more choices now than fiddling around with the Arduino Uno back in the day. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: new here
On 23/08/24 15:43, rbowman via Python-list wrote: On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:36:02 +1200, dn wrote: On 23/08/24 07:49, rbowman via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:40:52 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: The Pico uses MicroPython which is stuck on an old version of Python, unfortunately. How did this enter the conversation/thread? Paul's 'contribution' does not even appear on the Archive... I'm probably guilty. I mentioned in passing the older protocols like finger could even be implemented on something like the Pico W with MicroPython. The question arose because his message doesn't appear either in the conversation/email thread 'here', nor on the Archive. Perhaps not sent to the list? I am confused by the cross-over to Python-list. I only read/post to comp.lang.python. Is that echoed to Python-list or vice versa? As I understand it, posts to 'the list' may be made at comp.lang.python or by email. Once on the server, messages are reflected back to both. Thus, Thunderbird is not set-up to use the newsgroup and keeps complaining at me when it's asked to reply to both. So, all contributions (from me) enter the server via email. I haven't worked with CircuitPython lately and don't know if it has pulled in later features. Have you (gentle reader) used both and feel able to offer a comparison - when to prefer one over the other? I've only used CircuitPython on the Adafruit Playground Express. https://circuitpython.org/board/circuitplayground_express/ and MicroPython on the Pico W. Since then Adafruit has expanded their collection of boards and support them with CircuitPython. One difference that makes them hard to compare is the Express has quite a few on-board sensors like the Arduino Nano Sense 33, and interfaces to them are baked into CircuitPython. The Pico W has a wealth of I/O most doubling as I2C, PWM, or A/D with only a onboard LED for the mandatory 'hello world' blink code. MicroPython is more generic and you may have to import modules for specific external devices like the SSD1306 OLED display. That's easily done with Thonny or pipkin. Adding a display to the Pico-W is my next project... After that, gyros (am thinking it may not go so well, on balance... hah!). The Pico-W impresses. Its built-in Wi-Fi/Bluetooth capability makes life a lot easier (inside building use). Apart from the earlier comment, my biggest frustration has come from the lack of facilities in Thonny compared with PyCharm - but will pick-up skills there, no doubt. Conversely, (to having a separate radio-chip) I think I prefer the idea of being able to connect the Pico to whichever sensor(s) is/are actually-required. However, this is applied use - not learning or 'playing'. As far as core Python I'd say they're similar. MicroPython is more generic and may require more work to set up where Adafruit can match the boards they have developed. As I said it's been a while but MicroPython has the _threading module so you can utilize both cores of the RP2040. Adafruit's new Feather has a RP2040 and like the Pico W assumes you'll be using the PIO to externals rather than anything onboard so CircuitPython probably has it. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4884 From the horse's mouth: "There is great C/C++ support, unofficial (but really good) Arduino support, an official MicroPython port, and a CircuitPython port! We of course recommend CircuitPython because we think it's the easiest way to get started and it has support with most of our drivers, displays, sensors, and more, supported out of the box so you can follow along with our CircuitPython projects and tutorials." Whilst agreeing with the "easiest way to get started" claim, it probably also leads to the assumption that it will (later) be easier to run out of capability. Hence, that MicroPython would be the better professional option - assuming one already knows Python. Yes, a degree of 'comparing apples with oranges' - and a continually-moving target! I don't know if Adafruit has a RP2350 board yet but they say CircuitPython will be even happier on the Pico 2. https://www.adafruit.com/product/6006 No, out in the real-world, the Pico 2 is still vaporware. For better or worse there are a lot more choices now than fiddling around with the Arduino Uno back in the day. True. Hence the question. Thanks for the comments! -- Regards, =dn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
