python for irc client
Hi guys - I have historical experience developing sofwtare for my own use. It has been quite a while since doing so and the advent of new languages has brought me here. Python has built quite a reputation. It would be fun to pick up a new language while I'm at it. I've been a consumer of IRC since the nineties and have been running an instance of quassel core on an old laptop for the last decade. Over the years, my use of xwindows has dramatically decreased and I spend 90% of my computer time with multiple panes of tmux while I do my usual daily fun. One thing missing is a good textmode irc client that will connect to quassel core. I've seen efforts to make a plugin for weechat but, to date, I don't see much progress on that end. In your wisdom, would python be a good environment to accomplish this? I'd likely use extended ascii and colors. The point would be to minimize the memory footprint of the application. I don't use standard desktop computers anymore - I'm writing this on my beloved pi400 using emacs. Thanks Daniel -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python for irc client
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:14 AM Daniel via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > Hi guys - > > I have historical experience developing sofwtare for my own use. It has > been > quite a while since doing so and the advent of new languages has brought me > here. Python has built quite a reputation. It would be fun to pick up a > new language while I'm at it. > > I've been a consumer of IRC since the nineties and have been running an > instance of quassel core on an old laptop for the last decade. Over the > years, my use of xwindows has dramatically decreased and I spend 90% of my > computer time with multiple panes of tmux while I do my usual daily fun. > One > thing missing is a good textmode irc client that will connect to quassel > core. > > I've seen efforts to make a plugin for weechat but, to date, I don't see > much > progress on that end. > > In your wisdom, would python be a good environment to accomplish this? I'd > likely use extended ascii and colors. The point would be to minimize the > memory footprint of the application. > > I don't use standard desktop computers anymore - I'm writing this on my > beloved pi400 using emacs. > > Thanks > > Daniel > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I think Python would be a great language to write an IRC client in, it's a rapid-development language, and also Python is particularly good for text manipulation and the IRC protocol is textual rather than binary. But, if your only purpose for using Python is to reduce the memory footprint, I'm not sure. I don't know specifically, but I'd guess Python has a higher memory footprint than, say, C, because it's a high-level language. For example, each variable has to be boxed, and also the interpreter has to be loaded.. Regarding high ASCII, I don't know if that works in IRC, but either way, ASCII isn't really enough nowadays. You need to support Unicode; specifically, UTF-8. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python for irc client
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:22 AM inhahe wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:14 AM Daniel via Python-list < > python-list@python.org> wrote: > >> >> In your wisdom, would python be a good environment to accomplish this? > > > I think Python would be a great language to write an IRC client in, it's a > rapid-development language, and also Python is particularly good for text > manipulation and the IRC protocol is textual rather than binary. > Oh yeah, I forgot I was going to mention that Twisted has already done a lot of the dirty work for you if you make it in Python...they have twisted. words.protocols.irc, which implements the IRC protocol. (I don't know if it's up to date and supports ircv3, though.) -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python for irc client
Hi. Just FYI, I use Erc (in Emacs). I'm not a very advanced user, perhaps, but I never felt like I miss anything. That's not to stop you from making your own, but if you just need a decent text client for IRC, then there's already at least one. On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 11:30 AM inhahe via Python-list wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:22 AM inhahe wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:14 AM Daniel via Python-list < > > python-list@python.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> In your wisdom, would python be a good environment to accomplish this? > > > > > > > I think Python would be a great language to write an IRC client in, it's a > > rapid-development language, and also Python is particularly good for text > > manipulation and the IRC protocol is textual rather than binary. > > > > Oh yeah, I forgot I was going to mention that Twisted has already done a > lot of the dirty work for you if you make it in Python...they have twisted. > words.protocols.irc, which implements the IRC protocol. (I don't know if > it's up to date and supports ircv3, though.) > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python for irc client
inhahe writes: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:14 AM Daniel via Python-list < > python-list@python.org> wrote: > >> Hi guys - >> >> I have historical experience developing sofwtare for my own use. It has >> been >> quite a while since doing so and the advent of new languages has brought me >> here. Python has built quite a reputation. It would be fun to pick up a >> new language while I'm at it. >> >> I've been a consumer of IRC since the nineties and have been running an >> instance of quassel core on an old laptop for the last decade. Over the >> years, my use of xwindows has dramatically decreased and I spend 90% of my >> computer time with multiple panes of tmux while I do my usual daily fun. >> One >> thing missing is a good textmode irc client that will connect to quassel >> core. >> >> I've seen efforts to make a plugin for weechat but, to date, I don't see >> much >> progress on that end. >> >> In your wisdom, would python be a good environment to accomplish this? I'd >> likely use extended ascii and colors. The point would be to minimize the >> memory footprint of the application. >> >> I don't use standard desktop computers anymore - I'm writing this on my >> beloved pi400 using emacs. >> >> Thanks >> >> Daniel >> -- >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > > I think Python would be a great language to write an IRC client in, it's a > rapid-development language, and also Python is particularly good for text > manipulation and the IRC protocol is textual rather than binary. But, if > your only purpose for using Python is to reduce the memory footprint, I'm > not sure. I don't know specifically, but I'd guess Python has a higher > memory footprint than, say, C, because it's a high-level language. For > example, each variable has to be boxed, and also the interpreter has to be > loaded.. > > Regarding high ASCII, I don't know if that works in IRC, but either way, > ASCII isn't really enough nowadays. You need to support Unicode; > specifically, UTF-8. Okay great. Since my original post, I settled on UTF8. I have to create a list of requirements for v1.0 to limit scope creep and I can actually get this done. I may put it on github and solicit for assistance at some point. Thanks for the response, both of them. I'll look at the other code and see how I can fold it in. What I have to find out, still, is how the core server manages the messages. I suspect the core does all the sending and receiving and the client just sends the packets to core for management. That's just a guess though. I still have to review the liraries, this is a new idea hatched last night so I have yet to investigate much. My initial thought was C++ but this would be my first termianl-only application in many years so I thought a different coding platform would be effective. Daniel -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
