ANN: PyDDF Python Herbst Sprint 2022

[eGenix Team]

/This announcement is in German since it targets a local user 
group//meeting in Düsseldorf, Germany/



   Ankündigung

Python Meeting Herbst Sprint 2022 
 in

Düsseldorf 

Samstag, 22.10.2022, 10:00-18:00 Uhr
Sonntag, 23.10.2022, 10:00-18:00 Uhr

/Atos Information Technology GmbH /, Am 
Seestern 1, 40547 Düsseldorf



   Informationen

Das Python Meeting Düsseldorf (PyDDF)  veranstaltet 
mit freundlicher Unterstützung der Atos Information Technology GmbH 
 ein Python Sprint Wochenende.


Der Sprint findet am Wochenende 22./23.10.2022 in der Atos 
Niederlassung, Am Seestern 1, in Düsseldorf statt.


 * Sprint Ort in Google Maps 

Folgende Themengebiete sind als Anregung bereits angedacht:

 * *Arbeiten mit Clusterfuzz *

 * *Python Workflow Tools (Airflow ,
   Prefect , etc.)*

Natürlich können die Teilnehmenden weitere Themen vorschlagen und umsetzen.


   Anmeldung, Kosten und weitere Infos

Alles weitere und die Anmeldung findet Ihr auf der Meetup Sprint Seite:

 * *Python Herbst Sprint & Hackathon in Düsseldorf*
   

*WICHTIG*: Ohne Anmeldung können wir den Gebäudezugang nicht 
vorbereiten. Eine spontane Anmeldung am Sprint Tag wird daher vermutlich 
nicht funktionieren. Also bitte unbedingt mit vollen Namen bis 
spätestens am Freitag, 21.10., über Meetup anmelden.


Teilnehmer sollten sich zudem in der PyDDF Telegram Gruppe registrieren, 
da wir uns dort koordinieren:


 * *PyDDF Telegram Gruppe *


   Über das Python Meeting Düsseldorf

Das Python Meeting Düsseldorf  ist eine regelmäßige 
Veranstaltung in Düsseldorf, die sich an Python-Begeisterte aus der 
Region wendet.


Einen guten Überblick über die Vorträge bietet unser PyDDF YouTube-Kanal 
, auf dem wir Videos der Vorträge nach 
den Meetings veröffentlichen.


Veranstaltet wird das Meeting von der eGenix.com GmbH 
, Langenfeld, in Zusammenarbeit mit Clark 
Consulting & Research , Düsseldorf.


Viel Spaß !

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Apparent Issue with Administrator Privileges

[Walsh, Ginny (US)]

Hello-

I've been struggling with resolving environmental variables issues and I 
believe it is linked to my company's administrator privileges. The program is 
called ChemPlugin and I am attempting to run it using Python 3.10.8 on Windows. 
I can't seem to get Python to recognize the PYTHONPATH that points to the 
ChemPlugin\src. I have to download ChemPlugin using my administrator login 
name, but  Python is loaded to my local user profile. I can't seem to bridge 
the gap.

I have been working with both the ChemPlugin group and our internal IT and we 
are all stumped. Is there any experience with this issue?

Thanks,

Ginny
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Re: Apparent Issue with Administrator Privileges

[Jim Schwartz]

Is PYTHONPATH a user defined environment variable or system defined environment 
variable?  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Walsh, Ginny (US)  wrote:
> 
> Hello-
> 
> I've been struggling with resolving environmental variables issues and I 
> believe it is linked to my company's administrator privileges. The program is 
> called ChemPlugin and I am attempting to run it using Python 3.10.8 on 
> Windows. I can't seem to get Python to recognize the PYTHONPATH that points 
> to the ChemPlugin\src. I have to download ChemPlugin using my administrator 
> login name, but  Python is loaded to my local user profile. I can't seem to 
> bridge the gap.
> 
> I have been working with both the ChemPlugin group and our internal IT and we 
> are all stumped. Is there any experience with this issue?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ginny
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Re: Apparent Issue with Administrator Privileges

[Thomas Passin]

Looking at the ChemPlugin site, it looks like by default it would 
install into "C:\Program Files".  Typically ordinary users do not have 
full privileges there, although they may have read privileges. If this 
is the case, either you would need to run it in an elevated 
(adminstrator) session, or try to reinstall it somewhere you do have 
privileges.  You probably need to have write privileges too, since 
Python will try to write its compiled files into the same tree (but 
these files may have been created during installation so possibly not an 
issue).  Re-installing it might require moving the license as well.


Note that I have never used this product, so I don't have any personal 
experience about it to call on.


On 10/18/2022 2:19 PM, Walsh, Ginny (US) wrote:

Hello-

I've been struggling with resolving environmental variables issues and I 
believe it is linked to my company's administrator privileges. The program is 
called ChemPlugin and I am attempting to run it using Python 3.10.8 on Windows. 
I can't seem to get Python to recognize the PYTHONPATH that points to the 
ChemPlugin\src. I have to download ChemPlugin using my administrator login 
name, but  Python is loaded to my local user profile. I can't seem to bridge 
the gap.

I have been working with both the ChemPlugin group and our internal IT and we 
are all stumped. Is there any experience with this issue?

Thanks,

Ginny


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Re: Apparent Issue with Administrator Privileges

[Thomas Passin]

Glad there has been progress!  What do you mean when you write "Python 
not recognizing the script calls"?  I can think of several meanings, and 
there are probably more that haven't occurred to me:


1. The plugin doesn't import;
2. The plugin imports but you can't actually use the imported classes 
and functions;
3. You are trying to run a ChemPlugin Python program (outside of Python) 
but it can't be found;
4. You are trying to run a ChemPlugin batch file (outside of Python) but 
it can't be found;
5. Your Python program is trying to run a ChemPlugin Python or batch 
file but that fails;


On 10/18/2022 5:12 PM, Walsh, Ginny (US) wrote:

Thank you for the feedback- I think with the change in the location to my user 
area at least one hurdle has been overcome, I can now see ChemPlugin when I 
print listdir. I immediately hit the next issue of Python not recognizing the 
script calls, but this is my first hint of success in 3 days.

Thanks again, I'll start troubleshooting the next obstacle now

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From: Python-list  On 
Behalf Of Thomas Passin
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 3:10 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: Apparent Issue with Administrator Privileges

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Looking at the ChemPlugin site, it looks like by default it would install into 
"C:\Program Files".  Typically ordinary users do not have full privileges 
there, although they may have read privileges. If this is the case, either you would need 
to run it in an elevated
(adminstrator) session, or try to reinstall it somewhere you do have 
privileges.  You probably need to have write privileges too, since Python will 
try to write its compiled files into the same tree (but these files may have 
been created during installation so possibly not an issue).  Re-installing it 
might require moving the license as well.

Note that I have never used this product, so I don't have any personal 
experience about it to call on.

On 10/18/2022 2:19 PM, Walsh, Ginny (US) wrote:

Hello-

I've been struggling with resolving environmental variables issues and I 
believe it is linked to my company's administrator privileges. The program is 
called ChemPlugin and I am attempting to run it using Python 3.10.8 on Windows. 
I can't seem to get Python to recognize the PYTHONPATH that points to the 
ChemPlugin\src. I have to download ChemPlugin using my administrator login 
name, but  Python is loaded to my local user profile. I can't seem to bridge 
the gap.

I have been working with both the ChemPlugin group and our internal IT and we 
are all stumped. Is there any experience with this issue?

Thanks,

Ginny


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Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2022-10-17 09:25:00 +0200, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> > which had special combinations for all the BASIC keywords). And if you
> > go this way, why not go a step further and dissociate the program from
> > its linear text representation? Add footnotes, different views,
> > hyperlinks, format mathematical expressions like formulas, etc.
> 
> http://literateprogramming.com/

Right. That's one of the inspirations for my comment.

But literate programming is of course still very much rooted in the
"linear text representation" paradigm. You have one definite source
which is a linear text.

In a world of IDEs, databases and hypertext that's probably not the best
we can do. As Raymond Hettinger would say, "there must be a better way".

It would be very different from mainstream programming languages,
however. And ideally you would want it to integrate with a lot of other
infrastructure. So that alone might make it a non-starter, even if it
was really good (which realistically early iterations wouldn't be).

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Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

[Chris Angelico]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 at 12:01, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-17 09:25:00 +0200, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> > > which had special combinations for all the BASIC keywords). And if you
> > > go this way, why not go a step further and dissociate the program from
> > > its linear text representation? Add footnotes, different views,
> > > hyperlinks, format mathematical expressions like formulas, etc.
> >
> > http://literateprogramming.com/
>
> Right. That's one of the inspirations for my comment.
>
> But literate programming is of course still very much rooted in the
> "linear text representation" paradigm. You have one definite source
> which is a linear text.
>
> In a world of IDEs, databases and hypertext that's probably not the best
> we can do. As Raymond Hettinger would say, "there must be a better way".
>
> It would be very different from mainstream programming languages,
> however. And ideally you would want it to integrate with a lot of other
> infrastructure. So that alone might make it a non-starter, even if it
> was really good (which realistically early iterations wouldn't be).
>

There are special-purpose languages like Scratch which are not simple
text in that form. My Twitch channel bot has a command executor whose
language, if you call it that, is basically JSON - and the way to edit
those commands is very Scratch-inspired. These are not general-purpose
programming languages, but for what they do, they can be very useful.
It's a great way to put together incredibly high level primitives that
tie in well with the system they're in. (Imagine programming a model
train set, with primitives like "change the points here to go
straight" and "advance train #32 to the next red signal".)

I'm not sure how you'd make that useful for general-purpose
programming, but there's definitely a LOT of value in non-textual
languages for certain situations.

ChrisA
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