Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Groups

2018-02-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:24:36 +0100, dieter wrote:

> jlada...@itu.edu writes:
>> ...
>> Let me ask those of you who are not using Google Groups: how do you
>> search?  In my experience, searching through mailing list archives has
>> been poor.
> 
> I am using "gmane.org" which has quite a good search (in my view). 

Are you sure? Have you tried it recently, and by recently I mean in the 
last year or so, since the host's hard drive melted down. As far as I am 
aware, gmane's web archives hasn't worked for many months.

http://gmane.org/find.php?list=python


http://home.gmane.org/


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What is django-hotsauce?

2018-02-02 Thread Etienne Robillard

About Django-hotsauce:

Scalable and high-performance WSGI microframework on top of Django and 
others: Django-hotsauce is the ultimate web development toolkit for 
rogue Python hackers and chronic weed users looking to build porn web 
sites in your mama basement! :)


Typically used for advanced training of slackers, hackers, and 
unemployed people bored with life and looking to learn Schevo DBMS on 
PyPy. :)


I think django-hotsauce is a great Python library for 
research/educational and experimental purpose.


In specific, it is interesting to break Django ORM and use ZODB to 
develop your own models api...


Anyways, have fun hacking django-hotsauce with PyPy.

Hacking life is essential to happiness... :)

Pragmatic hackers love to learn rogue ways to exploit Django api with 
JIT and PyPy. ;)


cheers,

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Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Groups

2018-02-02 Thread Chris Green
jlada...@itu.edu wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 9:07:15 AM UTC-8, alister wrote:
> 
> > simple solution stop using google groups & use either the mailing list or 
> > a news server with an NNTP client
> 
> Sigh.  I've been on Usenet since 1986.  Is this how it ends?  I will move if 
> I must.
> 
> Let me ask those of you who are not using Google Groups: how do you search? 
> In my experience, searching through mailing list archives has been poor. 
> 
I read using NNTP. I run my own local newserver (leafnode, very simple
to configure) that aggregates feeds from two public NNTP servers which
provides some robustness if things go wrong with either.

By configuring the time for which posts are retained by leafnode (to
quite a long time) I can search back a long way.  As I only read
a few tens of newsgroups this doesn't require much disk space.

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Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Groups

2018-02-02 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
i find the mail experience to be really nice and fool proof (except when
some really bold spam makes it through)

Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://abdurrahmaanjanhangeer.wordpress.com

On 1 Feb 2018 21:09, "superchromix"  wrote:

>
> Our own programming discussion newsgroup, located at comp.lang.idl-pvwave,
> started receiving spam messages several months ago.
>
> Two weeks ago, access to comp.lang.idl-pvwave was blocked by Google Groups.
>
> When trying to access comp.lang.idl-pvwave, a message is now displayed,
> stating that the group owner needs to remove the spam, and can then apply
> to Google in order to have access reinstated.
>
> However, old public Usenet groups like this have no owner.  The
> comp.lang.idl-pvwave group is more than 20 years old.  Hence, there is no
> way to unblock the group.
>
> This is a serious problem, since the entire collection of postings going
> back many years has been blocked, no just the spam.  This resource is
> frequently used by IDL programmers.
>
> Seeing the spam postings in this newsgroup, I expect something similar may
> happen to comp.lang.python, soon.
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Re: What is django-hotsauce?

2018-02-02 Thread Alexandre Brault
So it's a buzzword generator?

Alex


On 2018-02-02 04:17 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote:
> About Django-hotsauce:
>
> Scalable and high-performance WSGI microframework on top of Django and
> others: Django-hotsauce is the ultimate web development toolkit for
> rogue Python hackers and chronic weed users looking to build porn web
> sites in your mama basement! :)
>
> Typically used for advanced training of slackers, hackers, and
> unemployed people bored with life and looking to learn Schevo DBMS on
> PyPy. :)
>
> I think django-hotsauce is a great Python library for
> research/educational and experimental purpose.
>
> In specific, it is interesting to break Django ORM and use ZODB to
> develop your own models api...
>
> Anyways, have fun hacking django-hotsauce with PyPy.
>
> Hacking life is essential to happiness... :)
>
> Pragmatic hackers love to learn rogue ways to exploit Django api with
> JIT and PyPy. ;)
>
> cheers,
>
> Etienne
>
>
>
>

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Re: Trace back error just trying to run a simple import of requests

2018-02-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-02-01, MRAB  wrote:
> On 2018-02-01 22:32, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2018-02-01, William Sewell  wrote:
>> 
>>> My python script which I run daily just blew up.  So, I went into
>>> python to diagnose and just typed in the first line - import
>>> requests.  I received screenfulls of errors.  Why?  What could have
>>> happened when nothing changed on my end?  The traceback is copied
>>> below.
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.png@01D39B71.014E8850]
>> 
>> I don't recoginze "cid:image001.png@01D39B71.014E8850" as an error
>> message.
>> 
> Isn't it ironic that we've just had a thread about this very issue, 
> namely sending screenshots?

I dunno, is it time for a long thread on what "ironic" means?   ;)

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Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Groups

2018-02-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-02-02, dieter  wrote:
> jlada...@itu.edu writes:
>> ...
>> Let me ask those of you who are not using Google Groups: how do you search?  
>> In my experience, searching through mailing list archives has been poor.
>
> I am using "gmane.org" which has quite a good search (in my view).

1) Gmane's search sucked.  [Using Google to search the Gmane site
   worked fairly well.]

2) Gmane's search and webui has been absent for years.

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Re: Trace back error just trying to run a simple import of requests

2018-02-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 2:25 AM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2018-02-01, MRAB  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-01 22:32, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-01, William Sewell  wrote:
>>>
 My python script which I run daily just blew up.  So, I went into
 python to diagnose and just typed in the first line - import
 requests.  I received screenfulls of errors.  Why?  What could have
 happened when nothing changed on my end?  The traceback is copied
 below.

 [cid:image001.png@01D39B71.014E8850]
>>>
>>> I don't recoginze "cid:image001.png@01D39B71.014E8850" as an error
>>> message.
>>>
>> Isn't it ironic that we've just had a thread about this very issue,
>> namely sending screenshots?
>
> I dunno, is it time for a long thread on what "ironic" means?   ;)
>

An ironic thread is slightly lighter than a cobaltic thread, slightly
heavier than a maganetic thread. It's also heavier than Chromium,
which is quite an accomplishment, considering the atomic RAM weight of
Chromium.

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Re: What is django-hotsauce?

2018-02-02 Thread Etienne Robillard

More like a platform to impress your cat with your JIT-powered web app :)

Etienne

Le 2018-02-02 à 10:02, Alexandre Brault a écrit :

So it's a buzzword generator?

Alex


On 2018-02-02 04:17 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote:

About Django-hotsauce:

Scalable and high-performance WSGI microframework on top of Django and
others: Django-hotsauce is the ultimate web development toolkit for
rogue Python hackers and chronic weed users looking to build porn web
sites in your mama basement! :)

Typically used for advanced training of slackers, hackers, and
unemployed people bored with life and looking to learn Schevo DBMS on
PyPy. :)

I think django-hotsauce is a great Python library for
research/educational and experimental purpose.

In specific, it is interesting to break Django ORM and use ZODB to
develop your own models api...

Anyways, have fun hacking django-hotsauce with PyPy.

Hacking life is essential to happiness... :)

Pragmatic hackers love to learn rogue ways to exploit Django api with
JIT and PyPy. ;)

cheers,

Etienne






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virtualenvwrapper under OpenBSD's ksh

2018-02-02 Thread Tim Chase
Under a new user account with ksh (the default) as the shell I issued
the following:

  $ pip3 install --user virtualenvwrapper
  Successfully installed pbr-3.1.1 six-1.11.0 stevedore-1.28.0 
virtualenv-clone-0.2.6 virtualenvwrapper-4.8.2
  $ export WORKON_HOME=~/code/virtualenvs
  $ mkdir -p $WORKON_HOME

Good so far.  Based on

  https://bitbucket.org/dhellmann/virtualenvwrapper-hg

it sounds like ksh should be supported.  However when I try to enable
it, I get:

  $ . ~/.local/bin/virtualenvwrapper.sh
  ksh: /home/tim/.local/bin/virtualenvwrapper.sh[97]: ${.sh.file}": bad 
substitution

The line in question reads

  virtualenvwrapper.sh: export VIRTUALENVWRAPPER_SCRIPT="${.sh.file}"  

though it's not present in the latest tip version of the source.  I
tried pulling in that one virtualenvwrapper.sh file from the tip to
see if that would remedy the issue but it complains

  $ . ~/tmp/virtualenvwrapper.sh
  ksh: /home/tim/tmp/virtualenvwrapper.sh[247]: syntax error: `(' unexpected

on this line

 COMPREPLY=( $(compgen -W "`virtualenvwrapper_show_workon_options`" -- ${cur}) )

Is there something I'm missing or need to do to get pip (pip3.6) to
pull in a working version of virtualenvwrapper for ksh?

Thanks,

-tkc



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