cx_Freeze:Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding ImportError: No module named 'encodings'
I downloaded cx_Freeze from here, installed it successfully on Ubuntu following this thread . After run python3 setup.py build in cx_Freeze/samples/simple,then change the dir to cx_Freeze/samples/simple/build/exe.linux-i686-3.4,run the following command ,I got the error ?7?4 exe.linux-i686-3.4 ./hello Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding ImportError: No module named 'encodings' [1]3950 abort ./hello ?7?4 exe.linux-i686-3.4 any idea on fixing this issue ?-- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Steven D'Aprano : > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Of course people make grammar mistakes that they don't spot. > > Ironically, this is one of them. It should of course be "grammatical > mistakes". I don't believe you made a mistake according to your brain's grammar engine. Parenthetically, I don't believe you made a mistake even according to your English teacher. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Chris Angelico : > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> And there are underspecified rules too. What is the plural of octopus? No >> fair looking it up in the dictionary. > > Standard and well-known piece of trivia, and there are several > options. "Octopodes" is one of the most rigorously formal, but > "octopuses" is perfectly acceptable. "Octopi" is technically > incorrect, as the -us ending does not derive from the Latin. Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may not match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are talking about is not standard English but the dialect you have acquired in childhood. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How to write a non blocking SimpleHTTPRequestHandler ?
I wrote a little script that acts like a proxy, you just give it a URL and it
will fetch the content and display it back to you.
For some reason, this proxy blocks sometimes and refuses to serve any new
queries. The script still runs, but it seems like it's stuck somewhere.
When I strace it to see what it's doing, I find it hanging on this instruction
:
root@backup[10.10.10.21] ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK # strace -fp 6918
Process 6918 attached - interrupt to quit
recvfrom(6,
^CProcess 6918 detached
root@backup[10.10.10.21] ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK #
I read in the SimpleHTTPServer source code that one can inherit from the
SocketServer.TrheadingMixIn mixin to enable a threaded server to handle
multiple requests at a time instead of just one (thinking maybe that's what was
blocking it). However, it seems like it has nothing to do with my problem. What
I need to do is not only handle multiple requests at a time, but more
importantly to make the request handler non-blocking.
Any ideas ? here's come code :
import SimpleHTTPServer
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import requests
class
Handler(SocketServer.ThreadingMixIn,SimpleHTTPServer.SimpleHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_GET(self):
self.send_response(200)
self.send_header('Content-Type', 'text/html')
self.end_headers()
# self.path will contain a URL to be fetched by my proxy
self.wfile.write(getFlux(self.path.lstrip("/")))
session = requests.Session()
IP,PORT = "MY_IP_HERE",8080
def getFlux(url):
response = session.get(url)
s = response.text
return s
server = BaseHTTPServer.HTTPServer((IP,PORT),Handler)
server.serve_forever()
Thank you.
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Re: How to write a non blocking SimpleHTTPRequestHandler ?
On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 10:55:26 AM
wrote:
> I wrote a little script that acts like a proxy, you just give it a URL and
> it will fetch the content and display it back to you.
>
> For some reason, this proxy blocks sometimes and refuses to serve any new
> queries. The script still runs, but it seems like it's stuck somewhere.
>
> When I strace it to see what it's doing, I find it hanging on this
> instruction :
> root@backup[10.10.10.21] ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK # strace -fp 6918
> Process 6918 attached - interrupt to quit
> recvfrom(6,
> ^CProcess 6918 detached
> root@backup[10.10.10.21] ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK #
>
> I read in the SimpleHTTPServer source code that one can inherit from the
> SocketServer.TrheadingMixIn mixin to enable a threaded server to handle
> multiple requests at a time instead of just one (thinking maybe that's what
> was blocking it). However, it seems like it has nothing to do with my
> problem. What I need to do is not only handle multiple requests at a time,
> but more importantly to make the request handler non-blocking.
>
> Any ideas ? here's come code :
>
> import SimpleHTTPServer
> import BaseHTTPServer
> import SocketServer
> import requests
>
> class Handler(SocketServer.ThreadingMixIn,SimpleHTTPServer.SimpleH
> TTPRequestHandler):
> def do_GET(self):
> self.send_response(200)
> self.send_header('Content-Type', 'text/html')
> self.end_headers()
> # self.path will contain a URL to be fetched by my proxy
> self.wfile.write(getFlux(self.path.lstrip("/")))
>
> session = requests.Session()
> IP,PORT = "MY_IP_HERE",8080
>
> def getFlux(url):
> response = session.get(url)
> s = response.text
> return s
>
> server = BaseHTTPServer.HTTPServer((IP,PORT),Handler)
> server.serve_forever()
>
Your code seem perfectly fine. I had some trouble with py3's http.server
with IE10 (in a virtualbox...), I put together a small server script
similar to http.server that doesn't hang up on microsoft. It works with
ayncio. It's not ready to serve big files, but hopefully you can fix that.
HTH
> Thank you.
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
#!/usr/bin/env python3
import os
import mimetypes
from asyncio import coroutine
from asyncio import get_event_loop
from aiohttp.web import Application
from aiohttp.web import StaticRoute
from aiohttp.web import HTTPNotFound
from aiohttp.web import HTTPMovedPermanently
from aiohttp.web import StreamResponse
class StaticRouteWithIndex(StaticRoute):
limit = 8192
@coroutine
def handle(self, request):
resp = StreamResponse()
filename = request.match_info['filename']
filepath = os.path.join(self._directory, filename)
if '..' in filename:
print('not found %s' % filepath)
raise HTTPNotFound()
if not os.path.exists(filepath):
print('not found %s' % filepath)
raise HTTPNotFound()
if not os.path.isfile(filepath):
directory = filepath
filename = None
if not filepath.endswith('/'):
path = filepath + '/'
path = path[len(self._directory):]
raise HTTPMovedPermanently(path)
for index in ('index.html', 'index.htm'):
path = os.path.join(directory, index)
if os.path.exists(path):
filename = index
filepath = path
break
if not filename and os.path.isdir(filepath):
if not filepath.endswith('/'):
filepath += '/'
names = os.listdir(filepath)
names.sort()
output = ''
for name in names:
dirname = os.path.join(filepath, name)
if os.path.isdir(dirname):
dirname += '/'
path = dirname[len(self._directory):]
link = '%s' % (path, name)
output += '' + link + ''
output += ''
resp.content_type = 'text/html'
resp.start(request)
resp.write(output.encode('utf-8'))
return resp
elif not filename:
print('not found %s' % filepath)
raise HTTPNotFound()
else:
ct = mimetypes.guess_type(filename)[0]
if not ct:
ct = 'application/octet-stream'
resp.content_type = ct
file_size = os.stat(filepath).st_size
single_chunk = file_size < self.limit
if single_chunk:
resp.content_length = file_size
resp.start(request)
with open(filepath, 'rb') as f:
chunk = f.read(self.limit)
if single_chunk:
resp.write(chunk)
else:
while chunk:
resp.write(chunk)
chunk = f.read(self.limit)
print('ok %s' % f
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > -- Devin > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> Gregory Ewing wrote: >> >>> Steven D'Aprano wrote: [quote] If the object has a method named __dir__(), this method will be called and must return the list of attributes. [end quote] The first inaccuracy is that like all (nearly all?) dunder methods, Python only looks for __dir__ on the class, not the instance itself. >>> >>> It says "method", not "attribute", so technically >>> it's correct. The methods of an object are defined >>> by what's in its class. >> >> Citation please. I'd like to see where that is defined. > > https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-method Run this code using any version of Python from 1.5 onwards, and you will see that the definition is wrong: # === cut === class K: def f(self): pass # Define a function OUTSIDE of a class body. def g(self): pass K.g = g instance = K() assert type(instance.f) is type(instance.g) print(type(instance.f)) print(type(instance.g)) # === cut === Both K.f and K.g are methods, even though only one meets the definition given in the glossary. The glossary is wrong. Or rather, it is not so much that it is *wrong*, but that it is incomplete and over-simplified. It describes how methods are normally (but not always) defined, but not what they are. It is rather like defining "coffee" as the milky drink you buy from Starbucks, then insisting that the black liquid that you drank in an Italian restaurant cannot be coffee because you didn't buy it from Starbucks. Glossary entries are typically simplified, not exhaustive. It is not wise to take a three line glossary entry as a complete, definite explanation. In this case the glossary fails to tell you that methods are not *required* to be defined inside a class body, that is merely the usual way to do it. >> Even if it is so defined, the definition is wrong. You can define methods >> on an instance. I showed an example of an instance with its own personal >> __dir__ method, and showed that dir() ignores it if the instance belongs >> to a new-style class but uses it if it is an old-style class. > > You didn't define a method, you defined a callable attribute. That is wrong. I defined a method: py> from types import MethodType py> type(instance.f) is MethodType True instance.f is a method by the glossary definition. Its type is identical to types.MethodType, which is what I used to create a method by hand. I could also call the descriptor __get__ method by hand, if you prefer: py> def h(self): pass ... py> method = h.__get__(K, instance) py> assert type(method) is type(instance.f) py> print(method) > -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Both K.f and K.g are methods, even though only one meets the definition > given in the glossary. The glossary is wrong. Oh I'm sure somebody is going to pick me up on this... In Python 2, they are methods. In Python 3, they are functions, and aren't converted into methods until you access them via the instance: K.f returns the function f instance.f typically retrieves the function f from K, and converts it to a method object bound to instance -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python is DOOMED! Again!
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 1:13:30 PM UTC+5:30, Paul Rubin wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > No apples and no oranges aren't the same thing, but if somebody is > > expecting > > no apples, and I give them no oranges instead, it would be churlish for > > them > > to complain that none of them are the wrong kind of fruit. > > https://davedevine.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/the-sartre-joke/ Actually the Sartre joke is more applicable to haskell than it might appear at first blush. li = [1,2,3] : [Int] -- a monomorphic type just as lc = ['a','b','c'] : [Char] lli = [[1,2],[3]] : [[Int]] However [] is a polymorphic value ie [] : [t] -- t is a type variable And now if we take tail (tail (tail li)) you get [] just as if you take tail (tail lli) However the two '[]-s' are of different types and so if you try to say append them you will get a Sartre error: The list of no integers is incompatible with the list of no lists of integers -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 10:57:27 AM UTC+5:30, Vito De Tullio wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > Checking the REPL first would have revealed that [].__dir__ raises > > AttributeError. In other words, lists don't have a __dir__ method. > > ? > > Python 3.4.2 (default, Nov 29 2014, 00:45:45) > [GCC 4.8.3] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> [].__dir__() > ['sort', '__contains__', '__init__', '__ge__', 'count', '__class__', > '__format__', '__mul__', 'index', '__rmul__', '__hash__', '__iter__', > 'clear', '__subclasshook__', '__getitem__', 'reverse', 'append', '__ne__', > 'pop', '__reduce__', '__add__', 'extend', '__gt__', '__sizeof__', > '__setattr__', '__imul__', '__dir__', '__le__', 'insert', '__repr__', > '__str__', '__getattribute__', '__len__', '__lt__', 'remove', '__new__', > '__reduce_ex__', 'copy', '__reversed__', '__delattr__', '__eq__', > '__setitem__', '__iadd__', '__doc__', '__delitem__'] > >>> Sure But as I said (and probably Steven checked): $ python Python 2.7.8 (default, Oct 20 2014, 15:05:19) [GCC 4.9.1] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> [].__dir__ Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute '__dir__' --- My point was more methodological/sociological than technical: Are these dunder methods as 'internal' as say the register-allocation used by a C compiler? In which case the language implementer is entitled to tell the vanilla programmer: "Dunder methods (and their changingness) is none of your business" If however they are more on the public façade of the language then some better docs would be nice -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
Rustom Mody wrote: > My point was more methodological/sociological than technical: > > Are these dunder methods as 'internal' as say the register-allocation used > by a C compiler? Dunder methods are implementation, not interface. If you are the class author, then you care about the implementation, and write dunder methods. But as the class user, you should not call dunder methods directly, instead always go through the public interface: # Not these. a.__dir__() seq.__len__() x.__add__(y) spam.__eq__(ham) # Use these dir(a) len(seq) x + y spam == ham -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: > Both K.f and K.g are methods, even though only one meets the definition > given in the glossary. The glossary is wrong. I agree, it oversimplified and has made a useless distinction here. >>> Even if it is so defined, the definition is wrong. You can define methods >>> on an instance. I showed an example of an instance with its own personal >>> __dir__ method, and showed that dir() ignores it if the instance belongs >>> to a new-style class but uses it if it is an old-style class. >> >> You didn't define a method, you defined a callable attribute. > > That is wrong. I defined a method: > > py> from types import MethodType > py> type(instance.f) is MethodType > True > > > instance.f is a method by the glossary definition. Its type is identical to > types.MethodType, which is what I used to create a method by hand. You are assuming that they are both methods, just because they are instances of a type called "MethodType". This is like assuming that a Tree() object is made out of wood. The documentation is free to define things in terms other than types and be correct. There are many properties of functions-on-classes that callable instance attributes that are instances of MethodType do not have, as we've already noticed. isinstance can say one thing, and the documentation another, and both can be right, because they are saying different things. For an example we can all agree on, this is not an instance of collections.Iterable, but the docs claim it is iterable: https://docs.python.org/2/glossary.html#term-iterable class MyIterable(object): def __getitem__(self, i): return i The docs are not "wrong", they are just making a distinction for humans that is separate from the python types involved. This is OK. -- Devin -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano >>> wrote: >> Both K.f and K.g are methods, even though only one meets the definition >> given in the glossary. The glossary is wrong. > > I agree, it oversimplified and has made a useless distinction here. Oops, I just realized why such a claim might be made: the documentation probably wants to be able to say that any method can use super(). So that's why it claims that it isn't a method unless it's defined inside a class body. -- Devin Even if it is so defined, the definition is wrong. You can define methods on an instance. I showed an example of an instance with its own personal __dir__ method, and showed that dir() ignores it if the instance belongs to a new-style class but uses it if it is an old-style class. >>> >>> You didn't define a method, you defined a callable attribute. >> >> That is wrong. I defined a method: >> >> py> from types import MethodType >> py> type(instance.f) is MethodType >> True >> >> >> instance.f is a method by the glossary definition. Its type is identical to >> types.MethodType, which is what I used to create a method by hand. > > You are assuming that they are both methods, just because they are > instances of a type called "MethodType". This is like assuming that a > Tree() object is made out of wood. > > The documentation is free to define things in terms other than types > and be correct. There are many properties of functions-on-classes that > callable instance attributes that are instances of MethodType do not > have, as we've already noticed. isinstance can say one thing, and the > documentation another, and both can be right, because they are saying > different things. > > > For an example we can all agree on, this is not an instance of > collections.Iterable, but the docs claim it is iterable: > https://docs.python.org/2/glossary.html#term-iterable > > class MyIterable(object): > def __getitem__(self, i): return i > > The docs are not "wrong", they are just making a distinction for > humans that is separate from the python types involved. This is OK. > > -- Devin -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Marko Rauhamaa writes: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> And there are underspecified rules too. What is the plural of octopus? No >>> fair looking it up in the dictionary. >> >> Standard and well-known piece of trivia, and there are several >> options. "Octopodes" is one of the most rigorously formal, but >> "octopuses" is perfectly acceptable. "Octopi" is technically >> incorrect, as the -us ending does not derive from the Latin. > > Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may not > match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are talking > about is not standard English but the dialect you have acquired in > childhood. Aha - the Humpty Dumpty approach to English usage: "When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean..." -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Is there a cairo like surface for the screen without the window hassle
I need to have a program construct a number of designs. Of course I can directly use a pfd surface and later use a pdf viewer to check. But that becomes rather cumbersome fast. But if I use a cairo-surface for on the screen I suddenly have to cope with expose events and all such things I am not really interested in. So does someone know of a package that provides a cairo like surface but that would take care of the events in a rather straight forward matter, so that my program could make it's design in a window on the screen just as if it is designing it in a pdf file. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Paul Rudin : > Marko Rauhamaa writes: >> Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may >> not match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are >> talking about is not standard English but the dialect you have >> acquired in childhood. > > Aha - the Humpty Dumpty approach to English usage: "When I use a word > it means just what I choose it to mean..." Yes, and your Humpty Dumpty brain is stringent about the proper usage. Your brain happens to be highly aligned with those of your childhood friends. Your communal dialect has thousands of rigorous rules, only you couldn't make a complete list of them. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 5:51:38 PM UTC-5, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Michael Torrie wrote: > > On 01/30/2015 10:31 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > >>And what about the grey area between lightweight and heavyweight? > > > > That's what the smart pointers are for. > > I'd say it's what higher-level languages are for. :-) > > I'm completely convinced nowadays that there is > *no* use case for C++. If you need to program the > bare metal, use C. For anything more complicated, > use a language that has proper memory-management > abstractions built in. Lots of people are using C++ to build packages for statistical programming language R, using the package Rcpp. It has been possible to build such packages for R and S using Fortran and C since the beginning, and many have done so, but the wide usage of Rcpp suggests that there are advantages to using C++. C++ is still the primary language used by financial derivatives quants. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> instance.f is a method by the glossary definition. Its type is identical >> to types.MethodType, which is what I used to create a method by hand. > > You are assuming that they are both methods, just because they are > instances of a type called "MethodType". This is like assuming that a > Tree() object is made out of wood. No. It is "assuming" that a Tree() object is a Tree() object. Run this code: # === cut === class K(object): def f(self): pass def f(self): pass instance = K() things = [instance.f, f.__get__(instance, K)] from random import shuffle shuffle(things) print(things) # === cut === You allege that one of these things is a method, and the other is not. I challenge you to find any behavioural or functional difference between the two. (Object IDs don't count.) If you can find any meaningful difference between the two, I will accept that methods have to be created as functions inside a class body. Otherwise you are reduced to claiming that there is some sort of mystical, undetectable "essence" or "spirit" that makes one of those two objects a real method and the other one a fake method, even though they have the same type, the same behaviour, and there is no test that can tell you which is which. > The documentation is free to define things in terms other than types > and be correct. If you wanted to argue that "method" is a generic term, and we have instance methods, class methods, static methods, and any other sort of method we care to create using the descriptor protocol, then I would agree you have a point. But since we're just talking about instance methods, Python doesn't care how they came into existence. You can use def to create a function inside a class body, inject a function into the class, call the descriptor __get__ method, or use the types.MethodType type object, it is all the same. You can use a def statement, or a lambda, or types.FunctionType if you are really keen. It makes no difference. Do I expect the glossary to go into such pedantic detail? No, of course not. But I do expect anyone with a few years of Python programming experience to be able to understand that what makes a method be a method is its type and behaviour, not where it came from. > There are many properties of functions-on-classes that > callable instance attributes that are instances of MethodType do not > have, as we've already noticed. isinstance can say one thing, and the > documentation another, and both can be right, because they are saying > different things. > > > For an example we can all agree on, this is not an instance of > collections.Iterable, but the docs claim it is iterable: > https://docs.python.org/2/glossary.html#term-iterable > > class MyIterable(object): > def __getitem__(self, i): return i "Iterable" is a generic term, not a type. Despite the existence of the collections.Iterable ABC, "iterable" refers to any type which can be iterated over, using either of two different protocols. As I said above, if you wanted to argue that "method" was a general term for any callable attached to an instance or class, then you might have a point. But you're doing something much weirder: you are arguing that given two objects which are *identical* save for their object ID, one might be called a method, and the other not, due solely to where it was created. Not even where it was retrieved from, but where it was created. If you believe that "method or not" depends on where the function was defined, then this will really freak you out: py> class Q: ... def f(self): pass # f defined inside the class ... py> def f(self): pass # f defined outside the class ... py> f, Q.f = Q.f, f # Swap the "inside" f and the "outside" f. py> instance = Q() py> instance.f # Uses "outside" f, so not a real method! > py> MethodType(f, instance) # Uses "inside" f, so is a real method! > -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dunder-docs (was Python is DOOMED! Again!)
Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > Oops, I just realized why such a claim might be made: the > documentation probably wants to be able to say that any method can use > super(). So that's why it claims that it isn't a method unless it's > defined inside a class body. You can use super anywhere, including outside of classes. The only thing you can't do is use the Python 3 "super hack" which automatically fills in the arguments to super if you don't supply them. That is compiler magic which truly does require the function to be defined inside a class body. But you can use super outside of classes: py> class A(list): ... pass ... py> x = super(A) # Unbound super object! py> x.__get__(A).append py> a = A() py> x.__get__(a).append -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Hello, I need some help in downloading videos from flash applications in web using python. Is there any lib to deal with flash player using python? The videos I need to download are, in fact, live streaming content. You can see an example here: http://vejoaovivo.com.br/sc/itapema/avenida-nereu-ramos-1029.html Thanks -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 04:47, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Roy Smith wrote: In article <54ceda0b$0$12977$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What is the plural of octopus? It's a trick question. Octopus is already plural. Monopus is singular. People is already plural, too, but you can talk about all the peoples of the world. Also, I can use "people" as the subject and "is" as the verb, just to completely destroy any chance of a simple grammar parser being able to cope with English. ChrisA I'm simple and I cope (somehow) with English. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 08:52, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Chris Angelico : On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And there are underspecified rules too. What is the plural of octopus? No fair looking it up in the dictionary. Standard and well-known piece of trivia, and there are several options. "Octopodes" is one of the most rigorously formal, but "octopuses" is perfectly acceptable. "Octopi" is technically incorrect, as the -us ending does not derive from the Latin. Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may not match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are talking about is not standard English but the dialect you have acquired in childhood. Marko I'd love to see a formal definition for "standard English". -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > Hello, > > I need some help in downloading videos from flash applications in web > using python. Is there any lib to deal with flash player using python? Try Youtube-DL http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 9:40:35 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 02/02/2015 08:52, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > > Chris Angelico : > > > >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >>> And there are underspecified rules too. What is the plural of octopus? No > >>> fair looking it up in the dictionary. > >> > >> Standard and well-known piece of trivia, and there are several > >> options. "Octopodes" is one of the most rigorously formal, but > >> "octopuses" is perfectly acceptable. "Octopi" is technically > >> incorrect, as the -us ending does not derive from the Latin. > > > > Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may not > > match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are talking > > about is not standard English but the dialect you have acquired in > > childhood. > > > > > > Marko > > > > I'd love to see a formal definition for "standard English". > I'd also love to see a formal definition of 'formal' Elsewhere someone (Marko I think) used the term 'rigorous' Ive heard it said that formal is more rigorous than 'rigorous'. And of course the other way round as well ;-) -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Thanks for the Hint... But it seems not to support the website i mentioned... Is there a way to make it possible for any kind of video player in the net? Flash player... Since it's not a ordinary video... I'm trying to record & download a live streaming video!! Thx -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 12:39 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Michael Torrie : > >> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/functional/function >> >> Thus if we were to shoehorn your example into C++, the result would be >> idiomatically very similar to what you have in your Python code. > > I can understand why you wouldn't write out my example in C++: I wouldn't write it out because it's a contrived example, and why should I waste my time? You have no intention of being impressed with C++, let alone simply learn about it. > >using std::placeholders::_1; > >std::function f_add_display2 = > std::bind( &Foo::print_add, foo, _1 ); Looks okay to me. That's normal C++ that would be clear to any C++ programmer. And for a statically compiled language, that's incredibly powerful while providing for a measure of safety. You may shudder, but it's a really good statically compiled solution, given the constraints of C++ and its compiler. But like I said, idiomatically in C++, this isn't normally what you'd do anyway. You'd store a std::ostream object. > vs > >f_add_display2 = foo.print_add > > The cherry on top: "_1"! The C++ compiler figures out template types > heroically but can't wrap its head around the arity of the method. std::bind is a generic function that works with undecorated function pointers. There's no possible way for the compiler to know the arity of the function without you telling it (how else would you do it? I honestly want to know.). That you would find this fact to be incredulous suggests that you have very little understanding of compilers in general. Python being a dynamic, interpreted language can examine a function at runtime. Python is a very expressive language compared to C++ that can do things at runtime that C++ cannot. It's also an interpreted, dynamically-typed language, whereas C++ is a statically-typed language that is clearly faster at many things than Python is. It's a matter of different tools for different jobs. For most of my jobs Python is the right tool. But I can see why people would still want to pick a compiled language, and I can understand why some people still use C++. It's a very powerful language. I'm a little unclear as to why you're even bringing up the comparison with C++. What's your point? To feel superior? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 16:21, Rustom Mody wrote: On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 9:40:35 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 02/02/2015 08:52, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Chris Angelico : On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And there are underspecified rules too. What is the plural of octopus? No fair looking it up in the dictionary. Standard and well-known piece of trivia, and there are several options. "Octopodes" is one of the most rigorously formal, but "octopuses" is perfectly acceptable. "Octopi" is technically incorrect, as the -us ending does not derive from the Latin. Your brain's grammar engine will give you the correct answer. It may not match your English teacher's answer, but the language we are talking about is not standard English but the dialect you have acquired in childhood. Marko I'd love to see a formal definition for "standard English". I'd also love to see a formal definition of 'formal' Elsewhere someone (Marko I think) used the term 'rigorous' Ive heard it said that formal is more rigorous than 'rigorous'. And of course the other way round as well ;-) I'd like to see anybody define 'a' and 'the' without using 'a' and 'the'. Would that be formally rigorous or rigorously formal? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a cairo like surface for the screen without the window hassle
Antoon Pardon writes: > So does someone know of a package that provides a cairo like surface Not sure what a cairo like surface is, but maybe you want HTML5 Canvas that's built into recent browsers. So you'd just embed a web server in your application and interact with it through a browser. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > I'd like to see anybody define 'a' and 'the' without using 'a' and 'the'. > Would that be formally rigorous or rigorously formal? a: Indefinite article, used to represent individual objects not otherwise identifiable. the: Definite article, used to represent individual objects identifiable by context. Near enough? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Michael Torrie : > You have no intention of being impressed with C++, let alone simply > learn about it. I am fully open to being impressed. I have more than a decade of C++ programming under my belt, although not much for the past few years. > There's no possible way for the compiler to know the arity of > the function without you telling it (how else would you do it? Somehow, C# manages it just fine. > I honestly want to know.). See https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa288459%28v=vs.71%29.aspx> > That you would find this fact to be incredulous suggests that you have > very little understanding of compilers in general. Python being a > dynamic, interpreted language can examine a function at runtime. C# does it at compile-time. C++ could have and should have introduced delegates early on. The method pointer syntax was screaming for delegate semantics. Too bad that didn't occur to Stroustrup until it was too late. > I'm a little unclear as to why you're even bringing up the comparison > with C++. What's your point? To feel superior? I really don't understand why you are taking all of this so personally. We are just discussing different aspects of different programming languages. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 10:57 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > I really don't understand why you are taking all of this so personally. > We are just discussing different aspects of different programming > languages. Fair enough. You raise good points. I am not taking it personally; your emails, lacking emotional context, just seemed a bit unnecessarily argumentative. For example, "The cherry on top: "_1"! The C++ compiler figures out template types heroically but can't wrap its head around the arity of the method". -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On 02/02/2015 17:25, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: I'd like to see anybody define 'a' and 'the' without using 'a' and 'the'. Would that be formally rigorous or rigorously formal? a: Indefinite article, used to represent individual objects not otherwise identifiable. the: Definite article, used to represent individual objects identifiable by context. Near enough? ChrisA Nope. 'article' begins with 'a' so you can't use it to define itself. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On 2-2-2015 17:22, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > Thanks for the Hint... But it seems not to support the website i mentioned... > Is > there a way to make it possible for any kind of video player in the net? Flash > player... Since it's not a ordinary video... I'm trying to record & download > a live > streaming video!! > > Thx > Youtube-dl has a modular structure and is open-source: https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/ It should be fairly easy to add a module/plugin that groks your site. Irmen -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Create dictionary based of x items per key from two lists
On Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:39:01 UTC-8, Jason Friedman wrote:
> > I have two lists
> >
> > l1 = ["a","b","c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j"]
> > l2 = ["aR","bR","cR"]
> >
> > l2 will always be smaller or equal to l1
> >
> > numL1PerL2 = len(l1)/len(l2)
> >
> > I want to create a dictionary that has key from l1 and value from l2 based
> > on numL1PerL2
> >
> > So
> >
> > {
> > a:aR,
> > b:aR,
> > c:aR,
> > d:bR,
> > e:bR,
> > f:bR,
> > g:cR,
> > h:cR,
> > i:cR,
> > j:cR
> > }
>
> Another possibility is:
> import itertools
> my_dict = {x:y for x,y in zip(list1, itertools.cycle(list2))}
NO. Sorry if this was not very clear.
In teh above example- len(l1) = 10
len(l2) = 3
So, the dict can not have more than 3 keys from l1 with same value from l2
except the last element from l1 .
So
a,b,c will have one key- say aR
d,e,f - bR
g,h,i,j- cR- j has key cR because the number l1 is not completely divisible by
l2 and leave a remainder.
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Re: How to write a non blocking SimpleHTTPRequestHandler ?
On 2-2-2015 10:54, yacinechaou...@yahoo.com wrote: > I wrote a little script that acts like a proxy, you just give it a URL and it > will > fetch the content and display it back to you. > > For some reason, this proxy blocks sometimes and refuses to serve any new > queries. > The script still runs, but it seems like it's stuck somewhere. > > When I strace it to see what it's doing, I find it hanging on this > instruction : > root@backup[10.10.10.21] ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK # strace -fp 6918 Process 6918 > attached > - interrupt to quit recvfrom(6, ^CProcess 6918 detached > root@backup[10.10.10.21] > ~/SCRIPTS/INFOMANIAK # > > I read in the SimpleHTTPServer source code that one can inherit from the > SocketServer.TrheadingMixIn mixin to enable a threaded server to handle > multiple > requests at a time instead of just one (thinking maybe that's what was > blocking it). > However, it seems like it has nothing to do with my problem. What I need to > do is not > only handle multiple requests at a time, but more importantly to make the > request > handler non-blocking. Why? If you have multiple threads serving some requests at the same time, doesn't that already achieve your goal? In other words, have you tried what you describe above? (make sure you close the connection correctly or you'll be hogging a thread which may eventually make the server non responsive) Irmen -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
Michael Torrie : > Fair enough. You raise good points. I am not taking it personally; your > emails, lacking emotional context, just seemed a bit unnecessarily > argumentative. For example, "The cherry on top: "_1"! The C++ compiler > figures out template types heroically but can't wrap its head around the > arity of the method". I feel programming languages, being inanimate abstractions, can take my abuse. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Gabriel Ferreira writes: > I need some help in downloading videos from flash applications in web > using python. Is there any lib to deal with flash player using python? Yes, the ‘youtube-dl’ application is the most likely to have the library code you need. > The videos I need to download are, in fact, live streaming content. > You can see an example here: > > http://vejoaovivo.com.br/sc/itapema/avenida-nereu-ramos-1029.html If ‘youtube-dl’ doesn't support a particular site, please report a bug at its bug tracker. I'm sure they would like to have a working implementation too. This isn't really a question about using Python, so it may be best to continue the discussion in a bug report against ‘youtube-dl’. -- \ “It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to | `\persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” —Carl | _o__)Sagan | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Create dictionary based of x items per key from two lists
On Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:39:01 UTC-8, Jason Friedman wrote:
> > I have two lists
> >
> > l1 = ["a","b","c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j"]
> > l2 = ["aR","bR","cR"]
> >
> > l2 will always be smaller or equal to l1
> >
> > numL1PerL2 = len(l1)/len(l2)
> >
> > I want to create a dictionary that has key from l1 and value from l2 based
> > on numL1PerL2
> >
> > So
> >
> > {
> > a:aR,
> > b:aR,
> > c:aR,
> > d:bR,
> > e:bR,
> > f:bR,
> > g:cR,
> > h:cR,
> > i:cR,
> > j:cR
> > }
>
> Another possibility is:
> import itertools
> my_dict = {x:y for x,y in zip(list1, itertools.cycle(list2))}
Thank you Jason! Looks like this will work for my case.
I had a solution working with count and num to keep track of the number of
times l2 items are assigned as value but was looking for a more pythonic way.
count = 0
num = 0
map = {}
#for item in l2:
# while count < numL1PerL2 and num <= len(l1):
# map[l1[num]] = item
# count += 1
# num += 1
# count = 0
#map[l1[num]] = l2[-1]
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Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
I appreciate your help. I'm just afraid that Youtube-DL doesn't allow me to record or download a LIVE STREAMING VIDEO. Do you guys think it is possible, since I make some adjustments into the code of the library? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Gabriel Ferreira writes: > I appreciate your help. I'm just afraid that Youtube-DL doesn't allow > me to record or download a LIVE STREAMING VIDEO. Do you guys think it > is possible, since I make some adjustments into the code of the > library? If the stream operator really wants stop you from downloading (and some of them do), they can make it pretty difficult. I haven't looked at youtube-dl closely but those things are generally http retrievers. Flash videos can use other sorts of streaming protocols, with Macromedia or other DRM in some cases. You can presumably still get around it with enough hassle, but I decided a long time ago that I'd rather just shrink the audience of those sorts of streams, by choosing not to watch them. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Hi Paul, I presume the stream operator doesn't want to prevent me from downloading or recording the videos. I just wanna know more about some lib that could be used to deal with Flash Player Applications... Or possibly, anything that could lead me to be able to get those streaming videos. Thx -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On 2-2-2015 20:30, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > Hi Paul, I presume the stream operator doesn't want to prevent me from > downloading or recording the videos. I just wanna know more about some lib > that could be used to deal with Flash Player Applications... Or possibly, > anything that could lead me to be able to get those streaming videos. > > Thx > Right, have you tried VLC then? (unless you really want to do this from python...) VLC can play streams, probably yours too, and convert it to another file. Irmen -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Gabriel Ferreira writes: > Hi Paul, I presume the stream operator doesn't want to prevent me from > downloading or recording the videos. It's hard to tell why anyone uses Flash anymore, but impeding (if not preventing) downloads is probably a common reason. > I just wanna know more about some lib that could be used to deal with > Flash Player Applications... Or possibly, anything that could lead me > to be able to get those streaming videos. Gnash maybe? https://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On 02/02/2015 12:30 PM, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > Hi Paul, I presume the stream operator doesn't want to prevent me > from downloading or recording the videos. I just wanna know more > about some lib that could be used to deal with Flash Player > Applications... Or possibly, anything that could lead me to be able > to get those streaming videos. You can't do it directly with any Python library that I know of. You can, however, use the tools that come with rtmpdump: https://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu/ It's not automatic, and requires some iptables tricks, but once you get the stream information, you can always download it via rtmpdump. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
The original plan was doing it using python. But, anyway, I should build a robot program to do that task for me... Because I need to capture hundreds of hours of different videos... You mean that is difficult because it's Python... or it's difficult because it's a Flash Application? Thx -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On 02/02/2015 22:09, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: The original plan was doing it using python. But, anyway, I should build a robot program to do that task for me... Because I need to capture hundreds of hours of different videos... You mean that is difficult because it's Python... or it's difficult because it's a Flash Application? Thx I don't actually know, but could you please provide some context and write in plain English, those damn ... things are extremely annoying. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] fortran lib which provide python like data type
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 02/02/2015 17:25, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Mark Lawrence >> wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to see anybody define 'a' and 'the' without using 'a' and 'the'. >>> Would that be formally rigorous or rigorously formal? >> >> >> a: Indefinite article, used to represent individual objects not >> otherwise identifiable. >> >> Near enough? >> > > Nope. 'article' begins with 'a' so you can't use it to define itself. Hrm. This is difficult. a: Indefinite identifier, used to represent non-specific objects. Not a perfectly accurate definition now, but hey, I avoided the self-reference! ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Mark Lawrence wrote: > I don't actually know, but could you please provide some context and > write in plain English, those damn ... things are extremely annoying. > Hi, Mark. I am developing a research project, which includes video analysis (computer vision, big data, data mining, etc). The first part of the project is about building a database containing a big amount of video of urban zones. I live in Brazil, so the plan is collecting videos from urban areas of Brazilian big cities, like Sao Paulo. I have to make this task "automatic". in other words, I don't want to manually download hundreds or thousands hours of videos. So I have to develop a "robot" to do that assingment for me. (I wish I could do that using Python). I have found a good website that provides me live images from several cities in Brazil. So that's it! That's what I need. I was expecting to develop a program to record & download those videos, that are being broadcasted live on that website. So I would be able to form my database and continue my research. The problem is that this particular website uses a flash player application do broadcast the live images of the urban areas. I'm not too familiar with Flash Applications. I don't know how to deal with them using Python. I was wondering if someone could help me solve this problem. The goal is recording & downloading those videos, from the mentioned website. And, yes, it has to be an automated program (no manual work). I wish I had been clear with you guys! THX! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
Paul Rubin wrote: > It's hard to tell why anyone uses Flash anymore Masochism and/or sadism, depending on whether they get more pain from writing the Flash code in the first place or pleasure from forcing Flash on the viewer. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 4:51:18 AM UTC+5:30, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > Mark Lawrence wrote: > > > I don't actually know, but could you please provide some context and > > write in plain English, those damn ... things are extremely annoying. > > > > Hi, Mark. > > I am developing a research project, which includes video analysis (computer > vision, big data, data mining, etc). The first part of the project is about > building a database containing a big amount of video of urban zones. I live > in Brazil, so the plan is collecting videos from urban areas of Brazilian big > cities, like Sao Paulo. > > I have to make this task "automatic". in other words, I don't want to > manually download hundreds or thousands hours of videos. So I have to develop > a "robot" to do that assingment for me. (I wish I could do that using Python). Develop robot -- right Do it in python -- probably not so right > > I have found a good website that provides me live images from several cities > in Brazil. So that's it! That's what I need. I was expecting to develop a > program to record & download those videos, that are being broadcasted live on > that website. So I would be able to form my database and continue my research. > > The problem is that this particular website uses a flash player application > do broadcast the live images of the urban areas. I'm not too familiar with > Flash Applications. I don't know how to deal with them using Python. I was > wondering if someone could help me solve this problem. The goal is recording > & downloading those videos, from the mentioned website. And, yes, it has to > be an automated program (no manual work). The instinct is natural but probably inaccurate: Python is nice; JS/Flash not so much. However to get on top of this you probably need to debug the streaming with a modern browser using JS developer-tools/firebug etc, so that then you can script what you have debugged. If you do it in JS, there will be minor glitches once you have debugged the process. If you do it in python, you will have to jump into (rather out of) many hoops to go from JS to python. And debugging the process is not an option. [Disclaimer: I dont know what I am talking about] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Downloading videos (in flash applications) using python
On 02/02/2015 04:21 PM, Gabriel Ferreira wrote: > The problem is that this particular website uses a flash player > application do broadcast the live images of the urban areas. I'm not > too familiar with Flash Applications. I don't know how to deal with > them using Python. I was wondering if someone could help me solve > this problem. The goal is recording & downloading those videos, from > the mentioned website. And, yes, it has to be an automated program > (no manual work). As I said before you need to look into the RTP protocol. There are utilities for proxying and dumping the stream parameters. Once they are known you can pull them in using rtmpdump. Sometimes the stream parameters can be determined from the web page. get_iplayer, for instance, can create rtp parameters for BBC programs and then stream them with rtmpdump, since the parameters seem to be well defined and consistent. But every streaming site is going to be different. I posted the link to the rtmpdump utilities in my other post. You may be to drive rtmpdump from Python. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Ghost vulnerability
How many people (actually machines) out here are vulnerable? http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/80210/ghost-bug-is-there-a-simple-way-to-test-if-my-system-is-secure shows a python 1-liner to check -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ghost vulnerability
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > How many people (actually machines) out here are vulnerable? > > http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/80210/ghost-bug-is-there-a-simple-way-to-test-if-my-system-is-secure > > shows a python 1-liner to check Well, I have one internal disk server that's vulnerable. It's not accessible to the world, which is why it's still running Ubuntu 10.10, and it's affected. I'm not too concerned about Huix coming under attack. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
