[Python-Dev] Re: The Other Py2.4 issue?

2004-12-12 Thread Adam Bark
Now this might sound a bit stupid but I've only been programming in
python for about 6 months and before that about the same on VB. Anyway
here goes, as python is built in C & C++ surely every piece of python
code has a corresponding piece of C/C++ albeit more complex. So would
it be possible to somehow make a program to convert the Python to C &
C++ which can then be compiled with a C/C++ compiler.

Adam


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>   5. Re: The other Py2.4 issue (Carlos Ribeiro)
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> From: Carlos Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Erik Heneryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:14:09 -0200
> Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Re: Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:10:58 +0100, Erik Heneryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > >>>fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden,  "sweden's leading IT-newspaper" has a
> > >>>surprisingly big Python article in their most recent issue:
> > >>>
> > >>>PYTHON FEELS WELL
> > >>>Better performance biggest news in 2.4
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>and briefly interviews swedish zope-developer Johan Carlsson and Python-
> > >>>Ware co-founder Håkan Karlsson.
> > >>
> >
> > ...
> >
> > >
> > > so I don't think you can blame Johan or Håkan...  the writer simply read 
> > > the
> > > python.org material, and picked a couple of things that he found 
> > > interesting
> > > (decorators and generator expressions may be a big thing for an 
> > > experienced
> > > pythoneer, but they are probably a bit too obscure for a general 
> > > audience...)
> >
> > I'm a bit puzzled by the last paragraph, where Python is grouped
> > together with PHP and Perl - names starting with p, being popular on
> > Linux and not having big, commercial backers.  The article then
> > concludes "Since Python is copyrighted, it's not truly open.  However,
> > it can be freely used and redistributed, even commercially."
> >
> > Huh?  Where did THAT come from?  You might argue the merits of Python
> > being associated with Perl/PHP, but it's a fact that it is.  But when it
> > is, it's seen as less free?
> 
> The author was probably referring to the old (and as AFAIK already
> solved) CRNI copyright issue that ocurred into the 1.x to 2.x series
> transition. It's amazing how old memes from Python keep being
> remembered and repeated, even years after the fact. It also
> illustrates something very important - the community is not doing a
> good job at spreading the news; perhaps we talk too much between
> ourselves, and too little with the outside market. IMHO the website is
> a great part of this, its message being more important to "sell"
> Python than the standard library or native .exes.
> 
> About the website, a note from my own experience: when I search for
> documentation on Python, I'm usually directed to some of the mirror of
> the main python.org site. To find it inside the main site, I have to
> use "site:python.org", or even "site:docs.python.org". Usually Google
> does a good job at ranking pages, and if it doesn't rank the main
> Python website very highly, it's because they're not being referred
> to. A campaign to ask people to put links back to the canonical
> documentation at the Python website would be nice.
> 
> --
> Carlos Ribeiro
> Consultoria em Projetos
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> From: Paul Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Christian Tismer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:26:49 +
> Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] The other Py2.4 issue
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:57:55 +0100, Christian Tismer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Armin Rigo wrote:
> 
> > > Hum, this is getting into a Linux-vs-Windows argument.  I don't want to 
> > > invest
> > > time and money on Windows tools just to compile 

[Python-Dev] Re: The Other Py2.4 issue?

2004-12-13 Thread Adam Bark
Even though there would be no significant speed-up I would still be
interested in a proper compiler just to make smaller exe's so I can
give out my programs. I used Py2EXE for my last program that was tiny
but with Tkinter and all the Tcl/Tk gubbins it was over 5Mb.

Also would it perhaps be possible to have some sort of psyco program
that can optimize the compiled code on the fly?
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