[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/DQLGNFLJ7KHDA2VGABDQ6JLR4GLHGM35/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:24 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow > > This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. > ? I don't understand this, what do you mean? ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/W2WSEJXRYFDCRWKU75SQBHXLPT2QVKSX/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
SUMMARY: If you, Marco, want to get dicts subclasses made faster and you seriously think that they can be, open a proper issue on bugs.python.org., as I describe in 3 below. In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. August 6, in response to the weekly post, Summary of Python tracker Issues Marco wrote this off-topic reply: > I've done an answer on SO about why subclassing `dict` makes the > subclass so much slower than `dict`. The answer is interesting: [link to SO post] > What do you think about? What I thought at the time or think now: 1. Starting a new topic in a reply to something else is a beginner mistake. For one thing, such posts tend to get ignored, as this was. 2. This post has the form of spam intended to drive traffic elsewhere: a teaser giving essentially no information and a link to follow to get some. Most posts of this form are filtered out by moderators. Even when passed, such posts tend to be ignored. 3. Pydev, as well as b.p.o., are for improving Python and CPython. A post intended to help do that might look like: "Subclasses of dict are much slower that dict. [Note that slower in itself is known and not surprising.] The reason seems to be , possibly followed by the SO link> "I think dicts subclasses could be made faster by . 4. Such a post should probably go on b.p.o. unless you think there is a policy issue that might prevent a patch. A pydev post should address the issue. On August 12, you complained about the lack of response (for which I have given two reasons above) > No ideas? Excuse me for the up. "up"? There is no update. A ping after just 4 days is a bit spammy. Good thing not everyone does that. In response Paul Moore asked about a b.p.o. issue, as nothing happens without one. And On 8/15/2021 10:22 AM, Marco Sulla wrote: (without quoting his previous message> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow A perhaps snarky response to a slightly spammy pair of posts. You were clearly looking for clicks. Twice. Since you do not own the site, Why? This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. As Chris implied, the second 'sentence' is not grammatical English. I can vaguely imagine a couple of things you might mean, but will not guess. But please stop what you started so badly. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/M3JMR5GKWGK2APETJLVMDAKEYKHWVM7K/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM Terry Reedy [email protected] wrote: > > On 8/13/2021 1:24 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm actually not sure what use case you're talking about. "source/code that hadn't actually changed and was just being re-compiled and run". I've done it as the first stage of porting or reviving long-dead code. I've seen it done when deployment is handed off to a different group than development, and also when using a library component that had not been recently maintained. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/B2VROA577DHONXYE3OL5XXKKLLRUNX6R/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 21:30, Terry Reedy wrote: I opened the bug https://bugs.python.org/issue44921 . Anyway, this does not change the insinuation I got here. > In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. This thread will be dropped when Steven will give me the excuses for the unacceptable insinuation he wrote: --- On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow --- > 2. This post has the form of spam I asked for help, because I didn't know __nothing__ about what Monica replied to me in the SO answer. And you say to me my post seems spam? This is __not__ the way I was accustomed to be treated by the Py Community! > "up"? There is no update. A ping after just 4 days is a bit spammy. Ooh. __Four__ days is spam. IMHO this is a bit offensive! 5 days are a working week! Are you a Treant? > On 8/15/2021 10:22 AM, Marco Sulla wrote: > (without quoting his previous message> > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow > > A perhaps snarky response to a slightly spammy pair of posts. Snarky? Subtle insinuation, IMHO. And you continue to mark my post as spammy, when I simply tried to get help! This is unacceptable! > As Chris implied, the second 'sentence' is not grammatical English Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all have understood it. Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation of the Netiquette. I ask __immediately__ the intervent of a moderator, even if I quite sure, since I'm mister No One and you are Terry Reed and Steven D'Aprano, that this will be against me X-D ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/FSKE3DIK6XU7UBSFTIU5M7XGDQM7GXBF/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
Furthermore, I have 13k points of reputation on SO. They are also too much for me. I don't need dirty tricks to raise them. So I __pretend__ excuses from Steven, if it is a man. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/S7GUBZ3X5LJRKS52U7BLQKQYVSAGLBIK/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > As Chris implied, the second 'sentence' is not grammatical English > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask __immediately__ the intervent of a moderator, > even if I quite sure, since I'm mister No One and you are Terry Reed > and Steven D'Aprano, that this will be against me X-D One thing I've learned is that, if nobody else understands you, it's not everyone else's fault. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/L5VYA5WMXYGANBN6BOER4SIOL66HRRS2/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
[Marco Sulla ] > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." means, in or out of context. > Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask __immediately__ the intervent of a moderator, I'm the only active moderator on this list, and I expect everyone has noticed I don't exercise those powers at all except to try to keep spam from showing up to begin with. I had no problem at all with your original post, but, as usual, _personally_ find almost no value in meta-posts (posts _about_ posts). People make them anyway, and that's OK by me. They eventually burn themselves out. I would _like_ it most if everyone dropped this thread now, unless they want to say something about the original topic (dict subclass performance). But, towards that end, I'm not going to threaten anyone with any moderation action. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/T5Z35KJLY3RQGS2HXYHLTR3QFURO34RF/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I meant. I think anyway that now the sense of my request is __very clear__. I ask the intervention of a moderator. How can I do this? Thank you in advance. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/SBMQJXJFD4PL2O4KWLEUYDWR6ZJYI4RI/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:12, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Marco Sulla ] > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > > have understood it. > > Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." > means, in or out of context. > > > Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > > of the Netiquette. I ask __immediately__ the intervent of a moderator, > > I'm the only active moderator on this list, and I expect everyone has > noticed I don't exercise those powers at all except to try to keep > spam from showing up to begin with. > > I had no problem at all with your original post, but, as usual, > _personally_ find almost no value in meta-posts (posts _about_ posts). > > People make them anyway, and that's OK by me. They eventually burn > themselves out. > > I would _like_ it most if everyone dropped this thread now, unless > they want to say something about the original topic (dict subclass > performance). But, towards that end, I'm not going to threaten anyone > with any moderation action. Tim Peters, I had a real and deep respect for you and your work. Even if I bet you don't care, you lost my respect for you. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/Q26TVPGZD6VTUQLMLXZWR2AXXAQ27U4N/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
[Marco Sulla ] > It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross > violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical > errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I > meant. As multiple people have said now, including me, they had no idea what you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense of it. By my count, this is at least the second time you've declined to explain what you meant, but instead implied the person who said they couldn't understand it was being dishonest. > I think anyway that now the sense of my request is __very clear__. I > ask the intervention of a moderator. How can I do this? Thank you in > advance. You already did, and I already replied. I don't view myself as a parent, referee, or judge here, and have never suppressed anyone for anything they said. I expect people to work out their differences among themselves, like adults. If you want to pursue this, I can only suggest bringing up a Code of Conduct complaint. You do that like so: https://www.python.org/psf/conduct/ """ If you believe that someone is violating the code of conduct, or have any other concerns, please contact a member of the Python Software Foundation Code of Conduct work group immediately. They can be reached by emailing [email protected] """ ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/ND7WVOPRQUTXBR3K6XSAJ3C2YL23WVCR/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense > of it. By my count, this is at least the second time you've declined > to explain what you meant, but instead implied the person who said > they couldn't understand it was being dishonest. I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I meant. But let me do a very rude example: What if I said to Steven "I pretend immediate suck my $%#$"? Do you think you and the others will not understand the sense? :D C'Mon, you are offending my poor intelligence. As I wanted to say, I pretend from Steven his excuses for his insinuation, immediately. Is this clear now, or must I take an English course at Cambridge? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/O3JB3FE33KMT3OHZCVH3XO6VNJTGH5NL/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
This is the source of this whole misunderstanding: On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 9:34 PM Marco Sulla wrote: > > I asked for help, because I didn't know __nothing__ about what Monica > replied to me in the SO answer. And you say to me my post seems spam? > > [snipped] > And you continue to mark my post as > spammy, when I simply tried to get help! This is unacceptable! > Marco thought this was a help-with-python list, and in this light his reaction sort of makes sense. The reality, Marco, is that this list is for discussions about python development, not for seeking help with understanding python. It is not appropriate to "ask for help" on this list, and you are not entitled to a reply within X working days, or ever. People will engage with what you write if they want to. There are plenty of help-with-python forums. Good luck. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/56QZTQH557B7BNFBIDJC7XKMUVQL3DC5/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:58, Irit Katriel wrote: > The reality, Marco, is that this list is for discussions about python > development, not for seeking help with understanding python. > It is not appropriate to "ask for help" on this list, and you are not > entitled to a reply within X working days, or ever. > People will engage with what you write if they want to. > > There are plenty of help-with-python forums. Good luck. The answer, which I bet no one has read, is highly technical, and involves a deep understanding of CPython, not Python. So there is no other place where I could get help. Furthermore, I asked for help in past for more stupid reasons in the equivalent list on the forum, and I was not attacked this way. I repeat, this is __unacceptable__, and it's very sad that also you continue to grab at straws. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/PRAY3E6QCRPRZ6FB6FELBG2G3ZAOFNDD/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
I make an example: what if I said to you that you want, with your response, only endear Tim? Is it for you sarcastic or a subtle insinuation? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/L5AUCMDAYJJO2NVLGMS65UX7QTNODMFP/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 7:56 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters > wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense > > of it. By my count, this is at least the second time you've declined > > to explain what you meant, but instead implied the person who said > > they couldn't understand it was being dishonest. > > I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I > meant. But let me do a very rude example: > > > What if I said to Steven "I pretend immediate ? Do you > think you and the others will not understand the sense? :D > > C'Mon, you are offending my poor intelligence. > > As I wanted to say, I pretend from Steven his excuses for his > insinuation, immediately. Is this clear now, or must I take an English > course at Cambridge? Originally "pretend" meant "falsely lay claim to". For instance, King Fred the Seventeenth was King of Elbonia, but Joe Random told everyone that he was the King of Elbonia, and thus is considered a "pretender to the throne". The young Alice Liddell (famous because of Wonderland) mutated the word by playing "let's pretend" , in which she and others would play-act something. That's where the most common modern usage comes from; I could pretend that I'm a hungry hyaena, and behave accordingly. The construct "pretend immediate" sounds to me like something out of a programming language. But without context, there is no way for us to understand what you mean. I've no idea what sort of data your AI gets trained on, but at best, there is a massive cultural gap between you and everyone else in this conversation, because not one person has spoken up to say that your words meant anything to them. Even with this partial explanation you have given, I don't know how to interpret "[you] pretend from Steven his excuses". Are you falsely laying claim to them? No, that doesn't make sense. Are you play-acting that Steven has some excuses when he actually doesn't? That doesn't make much more sense. Is it wonky grammar and you meant to say that you "believe Steven's excuses are a pretence"? That would be a VERY awkward way of wording it, but even then, the reformulated version doesn't fit the context very well either. Please, when people don't understand you, *USE DIFFERENT WORDS*. Don't repeat the same words. Give us some sort of hope of comprehending you. (I'm pretty sure this post was a waste of my, and everyone else's, time. I hold out some shred of hope that it was not.) ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/DKG53Y4DEMXEEWW3L2EVTGWJUXKVRY7F/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On 2021-08-15 22:50, Marco Sulla wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense of it. By my count, this is at least the second time you've declined to explain what you meant, but instead implied the person who said they couldn't understand it was being dishonest. I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I meant. But let me do a very rude example: What if I said to Steven "I pretend immediate suck my $%#$"? Do you think you and the others will not understand the sense? :D C'Mon, you are offending my poor intelligence. As I wanted to say, I pretend from Steven his excuses for his insinuation, immediately. Is this clear now, or must I take an English course at Cambridge? I can figure it out, but I still find it very unclear and oddly phrased, and I'm a native English speaker of years. And the sentence "I pretend from Steven his excuses for his insinuation, immediately" is just as odd. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/XADHGFMPW274D4WN67JB5AUXVAURTQSR/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:56 AM Serhiy Storchaka
wrote:
> 13.08.21 20:24, Guido van Rossum пише:
> > If these weren't part of the stable ABI, I'd choose (E). But because
> > they are, I think only (A) or (B) are our options. The problem with (C)
> > is that if there's code that links to them but doesn't call them (except
> > in some corner case that the user can avoid), the code won't link even
> > though it would work fine. The problem with (D) is that if it *is*
> > called by code expecting the old signature it will segfault. I'm not
> > keen on (A) since it can cause broken code objects when used to copy a
> > code object with some modified metadata (e.g. a different filename),
> > since there's no way to pass the exception table (and several other
> > fields, but the exception table is an integral part of the code now).
>
> I agree that (A) and (B) are only options if we preserve binary
> compatibility. For practical reasons I prefer (B).
>
> We can make (A) working if add the exception table to the end of the
> bytecode array and the endline/column tables to the end of the lineno
> table. It would allow to re-construct the code object with some simple
> changes (like filename or replace some constants). Creating the code
> object from zero is version-specific in any case, because bytecode is
> changed in every version, and semantic of some fields can be changed too
> (e.g. support of negative offsets in the lineno table). But it would
> complicate the code object structure and the code that works with it in
> long term.
>
That sounds like a perversion of backward compatibility. The endline and
column tables are already optional (there's a flag to suppress them and
then the fields are set to None) and we can just not support code that
catches exceptions. If you take e.g.
def f(x):
try:
1/0
except:
print("NO")
and you remove the exception table you get code that is equivalent to this:
def f(x):
1/0
plus some unreachable bytecode.
My current proposal is to issue a DeprecationWarning in PyCode_New() and
PyCode_NewWithPosArgs(), which can be turned into an error using a
command-line flag. If it's made an error, we effectively have (B); by
default, we have (A).
Then in 3.13 we can drop them completely.
--
--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
*Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)*
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
[Marco Sulla ] > I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I > meant. Amazingly enough, the truth value of a proposition does not increase via repetition ;-) >>> bool(True * 1_000_000_000) True >>> bool(False * 1_000_000_000) False > But let me do a very rude example: > What if I said to Steven "I pretend immediate suck my $%#$"? Do you > think you and the others will not understand the sense? :D Yes! But, for me, solely because of the "suck my $%#$" part. I still have NO idea what the "pretend immediate" part means to you. I see Chris spelled out, in some detail, what "pretend" means to native English speakers. None of which make sense in this context either, unless you're saying you're going to "make believe" that someone is going to "immediate suck [your] $%#$". But, in that case, what you choose to fantasize about doesn't really seem relevant either. "Pretend" just doesn't make any more sense here than, say, "hippopotamus" would. > C'Mon, you are offending my poor intelligence. > > As I wanted to say, I pretend from Steven his excuses for his > insinuation, immediately. Is this clear now, Not to me, no. Although I bet the new phrasing "insinuation" gets much closer to your intent than "excuses". You think Steven was indirectly accusing you of unethical behavior (trolling for StackOverflow upvotes)?. That's not the sense I got from his original reply, but I can understand it if you did. If that's your complaint, I'll leave it to Steven to say what his intent was - and, if appropriate, to apologize for unintended offense. > or must I take an English course at Cambridge? This isn't about advanced English usage. It's about the ordinary meanings of ordinary words in (what should be!) simple contexts. If I said to you Capisco con il pesce il nodo insolito! I doubt you'd suggest I study Italian at the University of Bologna ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/4LWHML3I2UWU3Y2K6ZJ7RMP352JUDSTK/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 03:15, Tim Peters wrote: > You think Steven was indirectly accusing you of unethical behavior > (trolling for StackOverflow upvotes)?. That's not the sense I got from > his original reply, but I can understand it if you did. If that's your > complaint, I'll leave it to Steven to say what his intent was - and, > if appropriate, to apologize for unintended offense. Thank you. > This isn't about advanced English usage. It's about the ordinary > meanings of ordinary words in (what should be!) simple contexts. If I > said to you > > Capisco con il pesce il nodo insolito! > > I doubt you'd suggest I study Italian at the University of Bologna ;-) I suppose the incompressible phrase, per se, could be code of the programming language Monicelli, la supercazzola: https://github.com/esseks/monicelli#declaration-1 Anyway, I suppose the phrase will be clear in the context ;-) PS: comunque rimani sempre un geniaccio PPS: @Chris: "pretend" derives from latin praetendere, pre-tendere, to tend first. Anyway, blame Google: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=pretendere+in+inglese ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/5MIQTUBSIZKGPFU3VXWGDJY6EI2RZSVO/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance
I also haven't the faintest idea what might be intended by the phrase "I pretend your immediate excuses". But whatever the intention, it is clear Marco has veered off into angry ranting territory. Him taking a couple weeks away from this list would be an extremely good idea. On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 5:53 PM Marco Sulla wrote: > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters > wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense > > of it. By my count, this is at least the second time you've declined > > to explain what you meant, but instead implied the person who said > > they couldn't understand it was being dishonest. > > I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I > meant. But let me do a very rude example: > > > What if I said to Steven "I pretend immediate suck my $%#$"? Do you > think you and the others will not understand the sense? :D > > C'Mon, you are offending my poor intelligence. > > As I wanted to say, I pretend from Steven his excuses for his > insinuation, immediately. Is this clear now, or must I take an English > course at Cambridge? > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/O3JB3FE33KMT3OHZCVH3XO6VNJTGH5NL/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/TAIEAKBBUXQNDSXUR3PVW2CTIPLJONDI/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
