[Python-Dev] Re: Sponsoring Python development via the PSF

2019-06-26 Thread Pau Freixes 
Hi,

Why not the other way around? Having from the very beginning a clear goal
with a speculative budget, companies would have visibilitty about the end
goal of their donations. Otherwise is a bit a leap of faith.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 02:15 Brett Cannon  wrote:

> Victor Stinner wrote:
> > That's great!
> > "The PSF will use Python development fundraising to support CPython
> > development and maintenance."
> > Does someone have more info about that? Who will get the money, how,
> etc.?
>
> No because we have to see how much money we get first. ;) Without knowing
> how much we will get then you can probably assume it will go towards core
> dev sprint sponsorships like the page states. After that probably the PM
> role we have been talking about on the steering council to help sunset
> Python 2, then a PM-like role to help with GitHub issue migration. That's
> as far as the steering council has discussed things with the PSF in terms
> of short-term, concrete asks for money and staffing.
>
> After that it's my personal speculation, but I would hope something like
> the Django fellowship program. If we could get enough money to fund like 4
> people to work on Python full-time it would be amazing and help us stay on
> top of things like pull requests.
>
> But all of this depends on companies actually giving money in the proper
> amounts in order to be able to do anything like this. I've been told by
> companies they have been wanting to donate money for ages but wanted to
> make sure it was helping Python's development. Well, this is their chance
> to prove they actually meant it. ;)
>
> > Victor
> > Le lundi 24 juin 2019, Brett Cannon [email protected]...
> > a écrit :
> > > We now have https://www.python.org/psf/donations/python-dev/...
> > > for anyone
> > > to make donations via the PSF for directly supporting Python
> development
> > > (and we have the Sponsor button at https://github.com/python/cpython.
> ..
> > > pointing to this link).
> > > --
> > Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Sponsoring Python development via the PSF

2019-06-26 Thread Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev 

On 26.06.2019 10:41, Pau Freixes wrote:

Hi,

Why not the other way around? Having from the very beginning a clear goal with a speculative budget, companies would have visibilitty 
about the end goal of their donations. Otherwise is a bit a leap of faith.


+1. That's why I never donate to charity. I can't see or control what my money 
is going to be used for.



On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 02:15 Brett Cannon mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Victor Stinner wrote:
> That's great!
> "The PSF will use Python development fundraising to support CPython
> development and maintenance."
> Does someone have more info about that? Who will get the money, how, etc.?

No because we have to see how much money we get first. ;) Without knowing 
how much we will get then you can probably assume it will go
towards core dev sprint sponsorships like the page states. After that 
probably the PM role we have been talking about on the steering
council to help sunset Python 2, then a PM-like role to help with GitHub 
issue migration. That's as far as the steering council has
discussed things with the PSF in terms of short-term, concrete asks for 
money and staffing.

After that it's my personal speculation, but I would hope something like 
the Django fellowship program. If we could get enough money
to fund like 4 people to work on Python full-time it would be amazing and 
help us stay on top of things like pull requests.

But all of this depends on companies actually giving money in the proper 
amounts in order to be able to do anything like this. I've
been told by companies they have been wanting to donate money for ages but 
wanted to make sure it was helping Python's development.
Well, this is their chance to prove they actually meant it. ;)

> Victor
> Le lundi 24 juin 2019, Brett Cannon [email protected]...
> a écrit :
> > We now have https://www.python.org/psf/donations/python-dev/...
> > for anyone
> > to make donations via the PSF for directly supporting Python development
> > (and we have the Sponsor button at https://github.com/python/cpython...
> > pointing to this link).
> > --
> Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Sponsoring Python development via the PSF

2019-06-26 Thread Ewa Jodlowska 
I'll comment on two posts in one go :)

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On 26.06.2019 10:41, Pau Freixes wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Why not the other way around? Having from the very beginning a clear goal
> with a speculative budget, companies would have visibilitty about the end
> goal of their donations. Otherwise is a bit a leap of faith.
>
>
> Over time, this will be a combination of both: directed towards specific
projects and supporting the general Python development fund. One of the
current goals of the PSF is to better support core development. We are just
starting with this support effort. Our goal overtime is to create a
spending plan with the help of the Steering Council, which will involve a
lot more than just individual donations. In the meantime, this fund is
there for those that want to donate specifically to things that support
Python development and maintenance. To what Brett said, if we see many
individual donors contributing, we can move faster to provide support. This
is our joined effort to start *somewhere*.


+1. That's why I never donate to charity. I can't see or control what my
> money is going to be used for.
>

The PSF strives to be transparent with its money and we continue to improve
upon that.  We go over our finances in detail at PyCon and EuroPython at
our member meetings. In addition to in person events, we recently published
our first Annual Impact Report (
https://www.python.org/psf/annual-report/2019/) and we'll continue to
upload our financials online (
https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/treasurer/) (2018 should be out
soon).

With regards to what the money will be used for: directed funding can only
be used for what it is intended for. Even though Python development and
maintenance is still a pretty broad category, the PSF will only use this
funding for that category.

For a non-profit there is also a downside to very specific fundraising. For
example, if we directed this donation to the September Core Dev Sprint in
London and received $100,000 in donations, we would only be able to use
that money for *that* specific thing. Even if we ordered fancy lunches and
dinners for the core devs daily, I am not sure we'd be able to spend all
that money :) At that point we'd also be asking ourselves if we are using
the funds to the best of their ability. The remaining funds would be
restricted and we wouldn't be able to use them for other important things.
Keeping it a bit general is helpful to ensure the money is used where it is
needed.

It is a bit of a leap of faith as well since we have never done this before
for core development. I do hope the PSF can soon instill that missing trust.

If anyone has any questions, don't hesitate to reach out!
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[Python-Dev] Re: Sponsoring Python development via the PSF

2019-06-26 Thread Steve Dower 

On 26Jun2019 1006, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
+1. That's why I never donate to charity. I can't see or control what my 
money is going to be used for.


That's not charity then, it's a purchase or an investment.

On 26.06.2019 10:41, Pau Freixes wrote:
Why not the other way around? Having from the very beginning a clear 
goal with a speculative budget, companies would have visibilitty about 
the end goal of their donations. Otherwise is a bit a leap of faith.


Different companies have different needs. Some are interested in 
investing, some are interested in general altruism, some are interested 
in directed donations.


This just enables directed donations by having a separate fund, which I 
assume will be reported by the PSF separately from other income. So now 
we have all bases covered - those who want to invest can continue to 
hire people or provide infrastructure, those who want to make open-ended 
donations can use the already existing channels, and those who want 
donations directed for development work can now choose that.


Cheers,
Steve
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[Python-Dev] Re: Sponsoring Python development via the PSF

2019-06-26 Thread Wes Turner 
When companies donate as PyCon sponsors (and get brand recognition) do
those donations also go to PSF?


You can add the **Python Software Foundation** to a Charity Navigator
"Giving Basket" and get one receipt:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=043594598

"Charity Navigator's Methodology"
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=5593#rating


Is there any way to donate cryptocurrency to PSF yet?

All of these orgs accept BTC donations:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Donation-accepting_organizations_and_projects

Just sending to an address doesn't get you a receipt for tax purposes;
there are firms that support donations by exchanging for USD at that time
and depositing to the configured account.

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, Steve Dower  wrote:

> On 26Jun2019 1006, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
>
>> +1. That's why I never donate to charity. I can't see or control what my
>> money is going to be used for.
>>
>
> That's not charity then, it's a purchase or an investment.
>
> On 26.06.2019 10:41, Pau Freixes wrote:
>
>> Why not the other way around? Having from the very beginning a clear goal
>> with a speculative budget, companies would have visibilitty about the end
>> goal of their donations. Otherwise is a bit a leap of faith.
>>
>
> Different companies have different needs. Some are interested in
> investing, some are interested in general altruism, some are interested in
> directed donations.
>
> This just enables directed donations by having a separate fund, which I
> assume will be reported by the PSF separately from other income. So now we
> have all bases covered - those who want to invest can continue to hire
> people or provide infrastructure, those who want to make open-ended
> donations can use the already existing channels, and those who want
> donations directed for development work can now choose that.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
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