Re: [Python-Dev] Unable to submit a patch to the tracker
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 08:29:32 +0200, Serhiy Storchaka writes: >I'm unable to submit any file to any issue, neither via web-form nor via >e-mail. Checked with different browsers from different computers. >Meta-tracker doesn't work too. > >http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue575 It's working for me. Laura ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
PEP 478 [1] doesn't currently have any info on a planned 3.5.1 release (and actually, it has 3.5.0 Final listed as a future release). About when is it likely to happen? The one thing I'm hanging out for is an installer patch on Windows that detects XP and immediately aborts with a convenient error; if the number of emails to python-list is indicative, there are a lot of people out there getting confused. ChrisA [1] https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0478/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
On 1 Nov 2015, at 10:30 a.m., Chris Angelico wrote: > > PEP 478 [1] doesn't currently have any info on a planned 3.5.1 release > (and actually, it has 3.5.0 Final listed as a future release). About > when is it likely to happen? The one thing I'm hanging out for is an > installer patch on Windows that detects XP and immediately aborts with > a convenient error; if the number of emails to python-list is > indicative, there are a lot of people out there getting confused. That doesn't need a new version of Python, just a new installer. Phil ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: > On 1 Nov 2015, at 10:30 a.m., Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> PEP 478 [1] doesn't currently have any info on a planned 3.5.1 release >> (and actually, it has 3.5.0 Final listed as a future release). About >> when is it likely to happen? The one thing I'm hanging out for is an >> installer patch on Windows that detects XP and immediately aborts with >> a convenient error; if the number of emails to python-list is >> indicative, there are a lot of people out there getting confused. > > That doesn't need a new version of Python, just a new installer. True, it doesn't, but it needs that installer to have as much checking as a new point release will get. My understanding was that it was going to be done as part of 3.5.1. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
The installer and the contained contents are currently tied together, making it fairly difficult to mix and match versions. When 3.5.1 happens is up to Larry, but I'm feeling like the initial rush of bug reports has died down and we should be considering the remaining open ones in the context of blocking that release. (The XP notification, as well as the more confusing Vista and Win7 w/o service packs notifications, have been added already. Python-list will probably keep asking though, just in case it can get something for free...) Cheers, Steve Top-posted from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: "Chris Angelico" Sent: 11/1/2015 3:03 To: "Phil Thompson" Cc: "python-dev" Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: > On 1 Nov 2015, at 10:30 a.m., Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> PEP 478 [1] doesn't currently have any info on a planned 3.5.1 release >> (and actually, it has 3.5.0 Final listed as a future release). About >> when is it likely to happen? The one thing I'm hanging out for is an >> installer patch on Windows that detects XP and immediately aborts with >> a convenient error; if the number of emails to python-list is >> indicative, there are a lot of people out there getting confused. > > That doesn't need a new version of Python, just a new installer. True, it doesn't, but it needs that installer to have as much checking as a new point release will get. My understanding was that it was going to be done as part of 3.5.1. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/steve.dower%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 05:52:40 -0800, Steve Dower writes: >The installer and the contained contents are currently tied together, making >it fairly difficult to mix and match versions. > >When 3.5.1 happens is up to Larry, but I'm feeling like the initial rush of >bug reports has died down and we should be considering the remaining open ones >in the context of blocking that release. (The XP notification, as well as the >more confusing Vista and Win7 w/o service packs notifications, have been added >already. Python-list will probably keep asking though, just in case it can get >something for free...) > >Cheers, >Steve Webmaster here. The initial rush of bug reports I see has not gone down. It's been in steady increase. This is not a data-blip due to last weekend's whole outage of mail.python.org. Getting the 'XP -- you are out of luck' message and the api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0-dll is Microsofts Universal CRT. You don't have one. You need to install it. Get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48234 message out of a failed install -- as soon as possible -- would have a serious positive impact around here. Most of the replies I make are of that sort. I have 2 templates to make it quick to do, but still, be nice if I could save my time for others. And I don't report the number of people I talk to with this problem to the bug tracker. This could possibly have mislead you. It is not like the: The 3.5 Windows installer fails with "The TARGETDIR variable must be provided when invoking this installer" bug https://bugs.python.org/issue25144 where I report when I hear about them if I think there is a good chance that having me report it will cause the person who submitted the bug to me to go track it -- because maybe asking him or her to give you more information about their system will help you resolve it. For the first 2 sorts, well, I won't spam you with the knowledge that windows xp users are complaining to webmaster a whole lot about 3.5 not working. But from my end -- sooner python.org serves up the improved installer, the better. Even if you made a release-candidate-right-now to do nothing but that. Laura ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Unable to submit a patch to the tracker
On 01.11.15 08:29, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: I'm unable to submit any file to any issue, neither via web-form nor via e-mail. Checked with different browsers from different computers. Meta-tracker doesn't work too. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue575 Sorry for the noise. The cause was in my mistake. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
"The initial rush of bug reports I see has not gone down. It's been in steady increase." To clarify, I meant unique bugs. When my job is to fix them, more reports of the same bug are not important to me, especially once they've been fixed but not released. I do understand that someone has to deal with every report, new or not (for my work project, that's me), and you are appreciated for it especially since it's not your role. You should probably just have one template redirecting people to python-list though. Top-posted from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: "Laura Creighton" Sent: 11/1/2015 6:22 To: "Steve Dower" Cc: "Chris Angelico" ; "Phil Thompson" ; "python-dev" ; "[email protected]" Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 05:52:40 -0800, Steve Dower writes: >The installer and the contained contents are currently tied together, making >it fairly difficult to mix and match versions. > >When 3.5.1 happens is up to Larry, but I'm feeling like the initial rush of >bug reports has died down and we should be considering the remaining open ones >in the context of blocking that release. (The XP notification, as well as the >more confusing Vista and Win7 w/o service packs notifications, have been added >already. Python-list will probably keep asking though, just in case it can get >something for free...) > >Cheers, >Steve Webmaster here. The initial rush of bug reports I see has not gone down. It's been in steady increase. This is not a data-blip due to last weekend's whole outage of mail.python.org. Getting the 'XP -- you are out of luck' message and the api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0-dll is Microsofts Universal CRT. You don't have one. You need to install it. Get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48234 message out of a failed install -- as soon as possible -- would have a serious positive impact around here. Most of the replies I make are of that sort. I have 2 templates to make it quick to do, but still, be nice if I could save my time for others. And I don't report the number of people I talk to with this problem to the bug tracker. This could possibly have mislead you. It is not like the: The 3.5 Windows installer fails with "The TARGETDIR variable must be provided when invoking this installer" bug https://bugs.python.org/issue25144 where I report when I hear about them if I think there is a good chance that having me report it will cause the person who submitted the bug to me to go track it -- because maybe asking him or her to give you more information about their system will help you resolve it. For the first 2 sorts, well, I won't spam you with the knowledge that windows xp users are complaining to webmaster a whole lot about 3.5 not working. But from my end -- sooner python.org serves up the improved installer, the better. Even if you made a release-candidate-right-now to do nothing but that. Laura ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 08:23:48 -0800, Steve Dower writes: >"The initial rush of bug reports I see has not gone down. It's been in steady >increase." > >To clarify, I meant unique bugs. When my job is to fix them, more reports of >the same bug are not important to me, especially once they've been fixed but >not released. > >I do understand that someone has to deal with every report, new or not (for my >work project, that's me), and you are appreciated for it especially since it's >not your role. You should probably just have one template redirecting people >to python-list though. > >Top-posted from my Windows Phone sending them to python-list is not a good idea. people get bored at the same old bugs and by now bored python-listers will reply something sarcastic at people with the same old bugs. Especialy if they post there not saying what windows version they have. There is only so much --'be kinder, it may be the 35th time for us, it is still that person's first bug report with the same old same old' I can do. The chief reason I am subscribed to python-list is so that newbies are not greeted with such sarcasm alone. A better experience from the download page should not wait for Larry's other concerns. If the new one is ready to go, and tells XP users to get a new OS and universal-crt missers to go get one here Put that on python.org as soon as possible. even if you need to bump the python 3.5 numbering. you get 3.5.1 for this, and this alone and everybody else gets to wait for 3.5.2 and when Larry feels this is a good idea. Laura ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
On 11/01/2015 09:10 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: Put that on python.org as soon as possible. even if you need to bump the python 3.5 numbering. you get 3.5.1 for this, and this alone and everybody else gets to wait for 3.5.2 and when Larry feels this is a good idea. Well, let me say this. I haven't been added to any apocalyptic 3.5 bugs recently. If Steve says he's not seeing novel bugs, and Laura says she's seeing a steady trickle of people reporting the same bugs that have already been fixed, then it seems like a good time to cut 3.5.1. 3.5 does have a single issue on the tracker marked as a "release blocker": smtplib.py AUTH LOGIN code messed up sending login and password data since 3.5 http://bugs.python.org/issue25446 R. David Murray set it to "release blocker", and I trust his judgment, so 3.5.1 can't go out until this is fixed. I'll engage with him on the issue to see about when we can get a fix. If I didn't have any release blockers, I'd schedule 3.5.1 for sometime around three weeks from now. And FYI I want to release 3.4.4 about two weeks after that. //arry/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
In a message of Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:51:05 -0800, Larry Hastings writes: > > >On 11/01/2015 09:10 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: >> Put that on python.org as soon as possible. >> even if you need to bump the python 3.5 numbering. >> you get 3.5.1 for this, and this alone and everybody else gets to >> wait for 3.5.2 and when Larry feels this is a good idea. > >Well, let me say this. I haven't been added to any apocalyptic 3.5 bugs >recently. If Steve says he's not seeing novel bugs, and Laura says >she's seeing a steady trickle of people reporting the same bugs that >have already been fixed, then it seems like a good time to cut 3.5.1. > >3.5 does have a single issue on the tracker marked as a "release blocker": > >smtplib.py AUTH LOGIN code messed up sending login and password data >since 3.5 > >http://bugs.python.org/issue25446 > >R. David Murray set it to "release blocker", and I trust his judgment, >so 3.5.1 can't go out until this is fixed. I'll engage with him on the >issue to see about when we can get a fix. > >If I didn't have any release blockers, I'd schedule 3.5.1 for sometime >around three weeks from now. And FYI I want to release 3.4.4 about two >weeks after that. > > >//arry/ Sounds wonderful to me. Thank you Larry. Laura ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5.1 plans
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: > If I didn't have any release blockers, I'd schedule 3.5.1 for sometime > around three weeks from now. And FYI I want to release 3.4.4 about two > weeks after that. > Thanks Larry! That'd be awesome. If there's testing needed on that ticket, or anything, I'll help out. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Generated Bytecode ...
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Note: I propose "noopt" because we already have "optimization level 0" > which still uses optimizations, it's the default mode. It's different > than gcc -O0 which really disables all optimizations. I already prefix > the "noopt" suffix for .pyc files than "opt--1" proposed by Brett in > http://bugs.python.org/issue2506 Strictly speaking, this isn't completely true. Most (all?) C/C++ compilers do some level of optimization when they are "disabled". GCC/Clang, for example, both will do some form of constant folding with -O0. The compilers are just *much* less aggressive with the primary goal of making the debugging experience much more enjoyable. The situation here sounds similar -- we want an option to provide a better debugging and tracing experience, which seems like a very reasonable idea to me. -- Meador ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] 2.7.11 plans
Happy November, everyone. It’s nearly time for the next semi-annual instalment of the 2.7 series. I’m planning to release a 2.7.11 release candidate on November 21st and 2.7.11 final on December 5. More than half-done releasing 2.7-ly yours, Benjamin ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7.11 plans
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > Happy November, everyone. It’s nearly time for the next semi-annual > instalment of the 2.7 series. I’m planning to release a 2.7.11 release > candidate on November 21st and 2.7.11 final on December 5. > > More than half-done releasing 2.7-ly yours, > This made me laugh! > Benjamin > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/rymg19%40gmail.com > -- Ryan [ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than your program. Something’s wrong. http://kirbyfan64.github.io/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
