Re: [Python-Dev] PEP476: Enabling certificate validation by default

[Alex Gaynor]

Guido van Rossum  python.org> writes:

> 
> OK, I'll hold off a bit on approving the PEP, but my intention is to approve
> it. Go Alex go!
> 

A patch for the environmental variable overrides on Windows has landed; thanks
Benjamin!

Alex

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[Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Donald Stufft]

I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized that
I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip (outside of
the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if installed in
Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would install
pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4 if it
was an "alt install".

My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or should
it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?

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Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Guido van Rossum]

That is copying the (alt)install targets of Python's own Makefile, and I
think those are exactly right.
On Oct 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Donald Stufft"  wrote:

> I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized that
> I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip (outside
> of
> the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if installed
> in
> Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would install
> pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4 if
> it
> was an "alt install".
>
> My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or
> should
> it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Donald Stufft]

Ok, so neither Python 2.7 nor Python 3.x’s ensure pip command will install a
``pip`` binary by default without a flag. That's fine with me, just wanted to
make sure it made sense for Python 2.x. Thanks!

> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Guido van Rossum  wrote:
> 
> That is copying the (alt)install targets of Python's own Makefile, and I 
> think those are exactly right.
> 
> On Oct 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Donald Stufft"  > wrote:
> I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized that
> I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip (outside of
> the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if installed in
> Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would install
> pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4 if it
> was an "alt install".
> 
> My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or should
> it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?
> 
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Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Guido van Rossum]

That's not what I meant. Python 2.7 does install "python" unless you use
altinstall.
On Oct 3, 2014 5:33 PM, "Donald Stufft"  wrote:

> Ok, so neither Python 2.7 nor Python 3.x’s ensure pip command will install
> a
> ``pip`` binary by default without a flag. That's fine with me, just wanted
> to
> make sure it made sense for Python 2.x. Thanks!
>
> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Guido van Rossum  wrote:
>
> That is copying the (alt)install targets of Python's own Makefile, and I
> think those are exactly right.
> On Oct 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Donald Stufft"  wrote:
>
>> I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized
>> that
>> I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip (outside
>> of
>> the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if installed
>> in
>> Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would
>> install
>> pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4
>> if it
>> was an "alt install".
>>
>> My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or
>> should
>> it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?
>>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Donald Stufft]

Whoops, I misred.

So to be clear, you think:

install -> pip, pip2, pip2.7
altinstall -> pip2.7

> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Guido van Rossum  wrote:
> 
> That's not what I meant. Python 2.7 does install "python" unless you use 
> altinstall.
> 
> On Oct 3, 2014 5:33 PM, "Donald Stufft"  > wrote:
> Ok, so neither Python 2.7 nor Python 3.x’s ensure pip command will install a
> ``pip`` binary by default without a flag. That's fine with me, just wanted to
> make sure it made sense for Python 2.x. Thanks!
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Guido van Rossum > > wrote:
>> 
>> That is copying the (alt)install targets of Python's own Makefile, and I 
>> think those are exactly right.
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Donald Stufft" > > wrote:
>> I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized that
>> I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip (outside of
>> the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if installed in
>> Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would install
>> pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4 if it
>> was an "alt install".
>> 
>> My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or should
>> it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?
>> 
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Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting ensurepip to 2.7, Which commands to install?

[Guido van Rossum]

Yes.

On Friday, October 3, 2014, Donald Stufft  wrote:

> Whoops, I misred.
>
> So to be clear, you think:
>
> install -> pip, pip2, pip2.7
> altinstall -> pip2.7
>
> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Guido van Rossum  > wrote:
>
> That's not what I meant. Python 2.7 does install "python" unless you use
> altinstall.
> On Oct 3, 2014 5:33 PM, "Donald Stufft"  > wrote:
>
>> Ok, so neither Python 2.7 nor Python 3.x’s ensure pip command will
>> install a
>> ``pip`` binary by default without a flag. That's fine with me, just
>> wanted to
>> make sure it made sense for Python 2.x. Thanks!
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Guido van Rossum > > wrote:
>>
>> That is copying the (alt)install targets of Python's own Makefile, and I
>> think those are exactly right.
>> On Oct 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Donald Stufft" > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the backport of ensurepip to Python 2.7, and I realized
>>> that
>>> I'm not sure which commands to install. Right now by default pip
>>> (outside of
>>> the context of ensurepip) will install pip, pip2, and pip2.7 if
>>> installed in
>>> Python 2.7. In Python 3's ensurepip we modified it so that it would
>>> install
>>> pip3, and pip3.4, but *not* pip if it was an "install", and only pip3.4
>>> if it
>>> was an "alt install".
>>>
>>> My question is, does this behavior make sense for ensurepip in 2.7? Or
>>> should
>>> it also install the "pip" command if it is an "install"?
>>>
>>> ---
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>>
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