Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 394 - Clarification of what "python" command should invoke
- Original Message - > On 20 September 2014 00:23, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > > On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > > If the user wants to invoke Python 3, it's not hard to type 'python3' and I > > think that's the message we should be spreading. That already seems pretty > > ingrained in user habits afaict. > > > > > > My biggest problem with ``python3``, is what happens after 3.9. I know > > Guido > > doesn’t particularly like two digit version numbers and it’s been suggested > > on > > this list that instead of 3.10 we’re likely to move directly into 4.0 > > regardless of > > if it’s a “big” change or not. > > FWIW, I think we actually do this better on Windows these days, where > PEP 397 made "py" a switchable entry point. I'd like to bring the same > scheme to POSIX systems at some point, but that's a *long* way down > the todo list (like, so far down I can't even see it any more). I'd be > willing to review proposals, though :) We did a similar thing with Ruby in Fedora, it's called Rubypick [1]. Is that a direction worth pursuing? Also, what is actually result of this thread? AFAICS the PEP still hasn't changed. IMO when there's only python3 installed, there should be no /usr/bin/python, which also seems to be aligned with what Guido says. Would it be possible to update the PEP accordingly? Thanks! > Cheers, > Nick. -- Regards, Slavek Kabrda [1] https://github.com/fedora-ruby/rubypick ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 394 - Clarification of what "python" command should invoke
On 30 September 2014 20:13, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - >> On 20 September 2014 00:23, Donald Stufft wrote: >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> > >> > If the user wants to invoke Python 3, it's not hard to type 'python3' and I >> > think that's the message we should be spreading. That already seems pretty >> > ingrained in user habits afaict. >> > >> > >> > My biggest problem with ``python3``, is what happens after 3.9. I know >> > Guido >> > doesn’t particularly like two digit version numbers and it’s been suggested >> > on >> > this list that instead of 3.10 we’re likely to move directly into 4.0 >> > regardless of >> > if it’s a “big” change or not. >> >> FWIW, I think we actually do this better on Windows these days, where >> PEP 397 made "py" a switchable entry point. I'd like to bring the same >> scheme to POSIX systems at some point, but that's a *long* way down >> the todo list (like, so far down I can't even see it any more). I'd be >> willing to review proposals, though :) > > We did a similar thing with Ruby in Fedora, it's called Rubypick [1]. Is that > a direction worth pursuing? Yes, I think so. The general idea would be to take the PEP 397 launcher CLI and propose a similar API for *nix systems: https://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html#python-launcher-for-windows > Also, what is actually result of this thread? AFAICS the PEP still hasn't > changed. IMO when there's only python3 installed, there should be no > /usr/bin/python, which also seems to be aligned with what Guido says. Would > it be possible to update the PEP accordingly? Thanks for the prompt. I just pushed an update [1,2] to merge the previously incorrect bullet point with the one following it, so it now reads: * The more general ``python`` command should be installed whenever any version of Python 2 is installed and should invoke the same version of Python as the ``python2`` command (however, note that some distributions have already chosen to have ``python`` implement the ``python3`` command; see the `Rationale`_ and `Migration Notes`_ below). I also pushed a few tweaks to account for the extension of Python 2.7 maintenance, and to change the verb tense to reflect the fact this was implemented ages ago [3]. Cheers, Nick. [1] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/3d16b0cd10bc [2] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/32b6619e9259 [3] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/0418f146b50f -- Nick Coghlan | [email protected] | Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 394 - Clarification of what "python" command should invoke
- Original Message - > On 30 September 2014 20:13, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> On 20 September 2014 00:23, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> > > >> > On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> > > >> > If the user wants to invoke Python 3, it's not hard to type 'python3' > >> > and I > >> > think that's the message we should be spreading. That already seems > >> > pretty > >> > ingrained in user habits afaict. > >> > > >> > > >> > My biggest problem with ``python3``, is what happens after 3.9. I know > >> > Guido > >> > doesn’t particularly like two digit version numbers and it’s been > >> > suggested > >> > on > >> > this list that instead of 3.10 we’re likely to move directly into 4.0 > >> > regardless of > >> > if it’s a “big” change or not. > >> > >> FWIW, I think we actually do this better on Windows these days, where > >> PEP 397 made "py" a switchable entry point. I'd like to bring the same > >> scheme to POSIX systems at some point, but that's a *long* way down > >> the todo list (like, so far down I can't even see it any more). I'd be > >> willing to review proposals, though :) > > > > We did a similar thing with Ruby in Fedora, it's called Rubypick [1]. Is > > that a direction worth pursuing? > > Yes, I think so. The general idea would be to take the PEP 397 > launcher CLI and propose a similar API for *nix systems: > https://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html#python-launcher-for-windows Thanks, I'll try looking into this if I get some free time... > > Also, what is actually result of this thread? AFAICS the PEP still hasn't > > changed. IMO when there's only python3 installed, there should be no > > /usr/bin/python, which also seems to be aligned with what Guido says. > > Would it be possible to update the PEP accordingly? > > Thanks for the prompt. I just pushed an update [1,2] to merge the > previously incorrect bullet point with the one following it, so it now > reads: > > * The more general ``python`` command should be installed whenever > any version of Python 2 is installed and should invoke the same version of > Python as the ``python2`` command (however, note that some distributions > have already chosen to have ``python`` implement the ``python3`` > command; see the `Rationale`_ and `Migration Notes`_ below). Exactly what I was looking for, thanks a lot! > I also pushed a few tweaks to account for the extension of Python 2.7 > maintenance, and to change the verb tense to reflect the fact this was > implemented ages ago [3]. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > [1] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/3d16b0cd10bc > [2] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/32b6619e9259 > [3] https://hg.python.org/peps/rev/0418f146b50f > > -- > Nick Coghlan | [email protected] | Brisbane, Australia > -- Regards, Slavek Kabrda ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
