[Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Olemis Lang 
I realized that PyPI accepts MyOpenId and tried to login to the site.
In the process I get this message :

{{{
OpenID provider did not provide your email address
}}}

I mean, is it mandatory to provide the e-mail address in order to bind
a user to an OpenId ?
I'm curious : I'd like to know if there's a reason to do that.

Thnx in advance !

PS: I know is a little bit OT. Hope you dont mind ...

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Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis 
Olemis Lang wrote:
> I realized that PyPI accepts MyOpenId and tried to login to the site.
> In the process I get this message :
> 
> {{{
> OpenID provider did not provide your email address
> }}}
> 
> I mean, is it mandatory to provide the e-mail address in order to bind
> a user to an OpenId ?
> I'm curious : I'd like to know if there's a reason to do that.

For an existing user? No, there is no reason.
For a new user, yes, we mandate a valid, verified email address.

> PS: I know is a little bit OT. Hope you dont mind ...

For general PyPI discussions, please use catalog-sig. For PyPI bug
reports, use the bug tracker.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: [Python-Dev] [OT] implicit return values

2009-09-03 Thread Greg Ewing 

Xavier Morel wrote:

Methods yes (and that's one of the few Smalltalk design "features" I  
consider truly dumb, considering it has message cascading)


Cascading is something different -- it's for sending
multiple messages to the *same* receiver. It's not
dumb to have both.

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Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Ben Finney 
"Martin v. Löwis"  writes:

> For general PyPI discussions, please use catalog-sig. For PyPI bug
> reports, use the bug tracker.

The Python bug tracker http://bugs.python.org/>? Or the tracker
linked from http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid> which leads
to http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=66150&atid=513503>?

The Python bug tracker has issues with OpenID (it doesn't allow OpenID
login at all, AFAICT), and the latter times out attempting a connection
for me.

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[Python-Dev] REMINDER: PyCon 2010: Call for Proposals

2009-09-03 Thread Aahz 
Call for proposals -- PyCon 2010 -- 
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Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis 
>> For general PyPI discussions, please use catalog-sig. For PyPI bug
>> reports, use the bug tracker.
> 
> The Python bug tracker http://bugs.python.org/>? Or the tracker
> linked from http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid> which leads
> to http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=66150&atid=513503>?

The latter. The former is for bugs in Python only.

> The Python bug tracker has issues with OpenID (it doesn't allow OpenID
> login at all, AFAICT)

That alone wouldn't make it unsuitable for reporting problems with PyPI,
including problems with OpenID, right?

> and the latter times out attempting a connection for me.

Please try again; it does work most of the time (if it still doesn't
work, check your internet connection).

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Ben Finney 
"Martin v. Löwis"  writes:

> > The Python bug tracker http://bugs.python.org/>? Or the tracker
> > linked from http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid> which
> > leads to
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=66150&atid=513503>?
>
> The latter. The former is for bugs in Python only.
[…]

> > and the latter times out attempting a connection for me.
>
> Please try again; it does work most of the time (if it still doesn't
> work, check your internet connection).

My internet connection is fine, I'm able to visit various sites without
a problem.

That tracker loads fine, but when I select “Log In”, it takes a very
long time and eventually times out. This is repeatable (for me) multiple
times over the past 12 hours or so.

This is probably a SourceForge problem and nothing you can fix directly,
but those wanting to receive bug reports into that tracker might be
interested to know.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [OT] implicit return values

2009-09-03 Thread Xavier Morel 

On 3 Sep 2009, at 23:33 , Greg Ewing wrote:
Xavier Morel wrote:


Methods yes (and that's one of the few Smalltalk design "features"  
I  consider truly dumb, considering it has message cascading)


Cascading is something different -- it's for sending
multiple messages to the *same* receiver. It's not
dumb to have both.
I know what cascading is for. The issue is that with message cascading  
+ the "yourself" message, you *never* need to chain on self (you can  
just cascade and -- if you end up needing the instance to drop down at  
the end of the cascade -- send `yourself`).


Chaining on self is completely redundant in smalltalk as the purpose  
of this pattern is *also* to send a sequence of messages to the same  
receiver (something message cascading already handles & guarantees).


Therefore defaulting method to self-chaining is very dumb and serves  
no purpose whatsoever. It doesn't make the language easier to use,  
less verbose or more practical. It just wastes return values.

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