[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default
New submission from primexx : In IDLE on Windows, there are certain keyboard shortcut idiosycracies in the default configuration. For example, redo is ctrl+shift+z (standard elsewhere) rather than ctrl+y (Microsoft's standard) de-indenting is ctrl+[ rather than shift+tab (also affects multi-line selected behaviour) Request: adjust the defaults based on OS platform and use windows style by default on windows If this is a dupe I apologize. I tried to search for an existing issue but wasn't able to find any with the keywords i can think of -- assignee: terry.reedy components: IDLE messages: 412671 nosy: primexx, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: IDLE Windows shortcuts by default versions: Python 3.10, Python 3.11, Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9 ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue46665> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue46666] IDLE indent guide
New submission from primexx : Request: support indent guide for IDLE in editor window (i.e. not interactive shell) there appears to not be currently support for indent guides in idle one take is that idle is meant for small scripts and one should seek out a more complex IDE if it gets to the point of needing indent lines https://stackoverflow.com/q/66231105 i think that there would still be value in indent lines even in IDLE. it is a popular IDE for beginners and even in short scripts there can still be sufficiently large indented blocks, relatively speaking. it doesn't take that much code for indent guides to become helpful. -- assignee: terry.reedy components: IDLE messages: 412672 nosy: primexx, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: IDLE indent guide versions: Python 3.10, Python 3.11, Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9 ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue4> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default
primexx added the comment: > I wish it were otherwise, but configuration defaults cannot be changed as > some people would not like it and it would badly interact with custom > configurations. that is a good point. perhaps just adding alternate keysets. this is clearly not a high priority issue since it can be changed manually. > Do you have any documentation for you claims? for redo: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/keyboard-shortcuts-in-windows-dcc61a57-8ff0-cffe-9796-cb9706c75eec shift + tab does a lot of different things depending on context (e.g. the link above, and there are 3 documented behaviour in word alone https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/keyboard-shortcuts-in-word-95ef89dd-7142-4b50-afb2-f762f663ceb2). however, i just tried and it does de-indent in word 365 with just a simple text selection (i.e. plain paragraph, not inside tables, etc.). also tried the same thing in google docs and it also de-indents text selection. i think you could be correct that this is not actually windows specific, it does seem to be fairly common behaviour in the context of text editors anyway. > Ctrl+y is *not* recognized in Notepad. yeah notepad is all sorts of messed up. it does not have the usual ctrl+z behaviour either. -- ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue46665> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue46666] IDLE Add indent guide
primexx added the comment: > Please just select the current development version. Others can be marked if > and when backported oh sorry about that! > Please explain exactly what you want these dotted lines in the attached screenshot > What you see in the editor is what is saved (including when running), so any > non-code additions have to be removed first. yes, this would be a pure visual element in the editor, not modifying the actual code > IDLE's code context feature (Options menu) could be considered an indent > guide. In some ways, it is better. it is very useful indeed, but not quite the same as a persistent visual indicator imho thanks! -- Added file: https://bugs.python.org/file50608/npp-indent-guide.png ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue4> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue46666] IDLE Add indent guide
primexx added the comment: very informative discussion. i'll just say that if it's not possible to do purely visually, and it can only be done by modifying the textual content, then it probably should not be done at all. preserving the code (and copy+paste integrity) is more important. maybe this is actually something to raise with Tk first? -- ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue4> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue45451] IDLE Shell GUI - remove window border
New submission from primexx : Python 3.10 bundled IDLE with a small change in the interactive interpreter shell. Previously, the line indicators ">>>" were in-line with the command line, and a long/multi line command would have the same indentation as the indicator which was not ideal. that has been changed in 3.10 so that the line indicators are in a separate area as the actual commands so actual commands are always indented consistently. this is good. however, there is now a thick window border separating the line indicator and the main window. this is jarring and creates a visual separation that disassociates the line indicator from the line itself. i have on several occasions sat there waiting for something to finish only to notice that it has already finished but i missed seeing the next line indicator to the left. the window border creates two separate spaces and is distracting. an improvement would be to instead of the window border, eliminate it and shade the left side with a very light colour (probably even lighter than my photoshop in the attached image). actually, I suggest that the best solution is to remove the window border and leave the entire thing contiguously white, with no shading, similar to what it looked like previously. except that it now has correct indentation. I think this is the most visually cohesive and easy to use. Attached is an image to illustrate. Again, I suggest the "not shaded" version is the best. -- assignee: terry.reedy components: IDLE files: idle310.PNG messages: 403774 nosy: primexx, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: IDLE Shell GUI - remove window border type: enhancement versions: Python 3.10 Added file: https://bugs.python.org/file50352/idle310.PNG ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue45451> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue45451] IDLE Shell GUI - remove window border
primexx added the comment: of course that's fair, colour schemes are a very preferential thing. the main issue really is the border that creates a visual separation between the line indicators and the lines that they should be visually associated with. thanks! -- ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue45451> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue40452] Tkinter/IDLE: preserve clipboard on closure
Change by primexx : -- nosy: +primexx ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue40452> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue45451] IDLE - modify text frame and widget borders
primexx added the comment: for what it's worth, Notepad++ is highly configurable. Here's what mine looks like with borders set to 0 and some sidebar items disabled. Even though it is the same classic theme, it looks a lot better than default. There's the more substantial point to note that Notepad++ is not interactive, the need to have an extremely tight visual coupling between the margin and the main body on a line-per-line basis is significantly reduced. Likewise, the line numbers separated by a border in the IDLE editor are not really bothersome either, it looks natural enough. It only really sticks out in the interactive interpreter. -- Added file: https://bugs.python.org/file50469/Capture.PNG ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue45451> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
