[ python-Bugs-1579029 ] --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk does not work
Bugs item #1579029, was opened at 2006-10-17 17:03 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by thurnerrupert You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1579029&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Tkinter Group: Python 2.5 Status: Open Resolution: Wont Fix Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Assigned to: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Summary: --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk does not work Initial Comment: trying to disable sunaudiodev and tk does not really work in solaris. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Python-2.5 --enable- shared --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk building 'sunaudiodev' extension gcc -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall - Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/./Include -I/cs/ecms/2.0.0/include -I./Include - I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Include -I/usr/local/Python-2.5 - c /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.c -o build/temp.solaris-2.8-sun4u-2.5/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.o /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.c:20:25: sun/audioio.h: No such file or directory building '_tkinter' extension gcc -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall - Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 - I/usr/openwin/include -I. -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/./Include -I/cs/ecms/2.0.0/include -I./Include - I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Include -I/usr/local/Python-2.5 - c /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c -o build/temp.solaris-2.8-sun4u-2.5/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.o In file included from /usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c:67: /usr/local/include/tk.h:96:23: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c:67: /usr/local/include/tk.h:572: error: syntax error before "Window" /usr/local/include/tk.h:572: error: `Window' declared as function returning a function /usr/local/include/tk.h:575: error: syntax error before "XEvent" /usr/local/include/tk.h:584: error: syntax error before "Tk_ClassCreateProc" /usr/local/include/tk.h:592: error: syntax error before '}' token /usr/local/include/tk.h:678: error: syntax error before "Bool" is it possible to correct this or state clearly in the configure options how to disable it correctly? we also checked the Modules/Setup and both seems commented. -- >Comment By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Date: 2006-11-23 09:20 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1597584 Originator: YES which header files do you mean? the sun/audioio.h header file e.g. is not there, but standard sun header files of course are there. it is though possible to get a running python. but i'm unsure what works and what not, so you could classify it as "cleanup" too, if you prefer. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-22 22:53 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO You still haven't demonstrated a problem. Compiling Python produces some error messages, sure, but does the resulting Python binary actually work or not? If it works, what is the problem? That you appreciate not to see error messages does not make it a bug. You cannot build Python *at all* with just the standard gnu from sunfreeware.com. You do need system header files, and those are not provided by GCC. So if you have header files, where did you get them from? -- Comment By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Date: 2006-11-22 12:50 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1597584 Originator: YES may i open it again? there is a lot of builds on solaris without the core development environment, so assuming it is there is erronous. e.g. we build everything with standard gnu from e.g. sunfreeware.com. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-19 09:15 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO Closing as "won't fix". There are no plans to implement --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk options to configure. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-06 18:51 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 The component isn't vital. It shouldn't be relevant for building sunaudiodev whether an audio device is present in the system, as this device isn't necessary for *building* Python. Instead, presence of /usr/include/sys/audioio.h is necessary. I'm puzzled that this file isn't there (it is part of the core development environment, AFAIK); the build process assumes that the header is present if the system name is "sunos5". ---
[ python-Bugs-1601607 ] using python extension(wxPython) in c
Bugs item #1601607, was opened at 2006-11-23 08:52 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601607&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Extension Modules Group: Python 2.4 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jolleydtan (jolleydtan) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: using python extension(wxPython) in c Initial Comment: hello,all. i am confronting with a weird problem, almost forcing to die,the feeling is miserable, so pls help me. here is a python application named "helloWorld",a simple gui application, assisted with wxPython. from wxPython.wx import * class myApp(wxApp): def OnInit(self): frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!"); frame.Show(true) self.SetTopWindow(frame) return true app = myApp() app.MainLoop() also sorry for my unsmart code, which i should import wx not wxPython.wx. and i want to use the simplest way to combine with c.so i use: #include "python.h" #include "wx/wxPython/wxPython.h" #include using namespace std; int main() { Py_Initialize(); if(!Py_IsInitialized()) { cerr << "hello,world!"<< endl; return -1; } PyRun_SimpleString("from wxPython.wx import *"); PyRun_SimpleString("class myApp(wxApp):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" def OnInit(self):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!")"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame.Show(true)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" self.SetTopWindow(frame)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" return true"); PyRun_SimpleString("app = myApp()"); PyRun_SimpleString("app.MainLoop()"); Py_Finalize(); return 0; } in addition, to make this work, i have configure something like this: add the wxpython include/library files in vc. includes: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\include. c:\python24\include\wx(it is the product of building wxPython) also the python include here. c:\python24\include libraries: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\lib\vc_dll(the build product of wxWidgets) c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\wxPython c:\python24\libs to supplement the problem, i install wxPython from source code,and i have gotten three files,all of which will be uploaded here. and both them can pass the build process,but get "detected memory leaks and dump objects"in the run process. i figure that it has great memory leaks when loading certain symbols,like wxmsw26ud.lib or such,while other lib are not loaded "no symbol loaded!" but i donot know why, and donot know how to build a wxPython script within c. here is the error message: Detected memory leaks! Dumping objects -> {6417} normal block at 0x01B72B30, 262144 bytes long. Data: <> CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {6339} normal block at 0x01B0A9C8, 480 bytes long. Data: <@_ > 00 00 01 D0 FB FB FB FB 40 5F AD 01 20 92 AD 01 {6338} normal block at 0x01B0A7D0, 440 bytes long. . {48} normal block at 0x003F2C88, 64 bytes long. Data: 68 00 A4 00 08 20 A9 00 68 00 B4 00 B8 11 B8 00 {47} normal block at 0x00A40068, 262144 bytes long. Data: <> CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {45} normal block at 0x003F4F10, 12 bytes long. Data: <> FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 C0 07 00 00 Object dump complete. The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x9ec) has exited with code 0 (0x0). The program '[2960] wxPythonGUI.exe: Native' has exited with code 0 (0x0). thanks one billion times if someone can tell me,coz the progress should be advanced further.and all my other people awaits it. regards, jolley.d.tan -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601607&group_id=5470 ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[ python-Bugs-1601630 ] getopt Documentation improvement
Bugs item #1601630, was opened at 2006-11-23 09:39 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601630&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Documentation Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thomas Guettler (guettli) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: getopt Documentation improvement Initial Comment: Hi, I think the documentation of getopt could be improved The example at the buttom: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-getopt.html 1. Print str(exc) except getopt.GetoptError, exc: print str(exc) usage() 2. In the loop: use elif and else for o, a in opts: if o == "-v": verbose = True elif o in ("-h", "--help"): usage() sys.exit() else: raise AssertionError( "Unparsed Paremter: %s %s" %(o, a)) 3. I would support --verbose, too -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601630&group_id=5470 ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[ python-Bugs-1601630 ] getopt Documentation improvement
Bugs item #1601630, was opened at 2006-11-23 09:39 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by gbrandl You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601630&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Documentation Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thomas Guettler (guettli) >Assigned to: Georg Brandl (gbrandl) Summary: getopt Documentation improvement Initial Comment: Hi, I think the documentation of getopt could be improved The example at the buttom: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-getopt.html 1. Print str(exc) except getopt.GetoptError, exc: print str(exc) usage() 2. In the loop: use elif and else for o, a in opts: if o == "-v": verbose = True elif o in ("-h", "--help"): usage() sys.exit() else: raise AssertionError( "Unparsed Paremter: %s %s" %(o, a)) 3. I would support --verbose, too -- >Comment By: Georg Brandl (gbrandl) Date: 2006-11-23 09:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=849994 Originator: NO Thanks, committed something along your lines in rev. 52833, 52834 (2.5). -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601630&group_id=5470 ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[ python-Bugs-1579029 ] --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk does not work
Bugs item #1579029, was opened at 2006-10-17 17:03 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by loewis You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1579029&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Tkinter Group: Python 2.5 Status: Open Resolution: Wont Fix Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Assigned to: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Summary: --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk does not work Initial Comment: trying to disable sunaudiodev and tk does not really work in solaris. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Python-2.5 --enable- shared --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk building 'sunaudiodev' extension gcc -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall - Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/./Include -I/cs/ecms/2.0.0/include -I./Include - I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Include -I/usr/local/Python-2.5 - c /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.c -o build/temp.solaris-2.8-sun4u-2.5/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.o /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/sunaudiodev.c:20:25: sun/audioio.h: No such file or directory building '_tkinter' extension gcc -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall - Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 - I/usr/openwin/include -I. -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/./Include -I/cs/ecms/2.0.0/include -I./Include - I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Include -I/usr/local/Python-2.5 - c /usr/local/Python-2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c -o build/temp.solaris-2.8-sun4u-2.5/usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.o In file included from /usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c:67: /usr/local/include/tk.h:96:23: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/local/Python- 2.5/Modules/_tkinter.c:67: /usr/local/include/tk.h:572: error: syntax error before "Window" /usr/local/include/tk.h:572: error: `Window' declared as function returning a function /usr/local/include/tk.h:575: error: syntax error before "XEvent" /usr/local/include/tk.h:584: error: syntax error before "Tk_ClassCreateProc" /usr/local/include/tk.h:592: error: syntax error before '}' token /usr/local/include/tk.h:678: error: syntax error before "Bool" is it possible to correct this or state clearly in the configure options how to disable it correctly? we also checked the Modules/Setup and both seems commented. -- >Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-23 18:52 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO It's not sun/audioio.h that's missing, but (apparently) /usr/include/sys/audioio.h; this should have come from the SUNWaudh package (Audio Header Files). If you want to find out what works and what not, you should run the test suite. -- Comment By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Date: 2006-11-23 09:20 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1597584 Originator: YES which header files do you mean? the sun/audioio.h header file e.g. is not there, but standard sun header files of course are there. it is though possible to get a running python. but i'm unsure what works and what not, so you could classify it as "cleanup" too, if you prefer. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-22 22:53 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO You still haven't demonstrated a problem. Compiling Python produces some error messages, sure, but does the resulting Python binary actually work or not? If it works, what is the problem? That you appreciate not to see error messages does not make it a bug. You cannot build Python *at all* with just the standard gnu from sunfreeware.com. You do need system header files, and those are not provided by GCC. So if you have header files, where did you get them from? -- Comment By: ThurnerRupert (thurnerrupert) Date: 2006-11-22 12:50 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1597584 Originator: YES may i open it again? there is a lot of builds on solaris without the core development environment, so assuming it is there is erronous. e.g. we build everything with standard gnu from e.g. sunfreeware.com. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-19 09:15 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO Closing as "won't fix". There are no plans to implement --disable-sunaudiodev --disable-tk options to configure. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-06 18:51 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 The component isn't vital. I
[ python-Bugs-1601607 ] using python extension(wxPython) in c
Bugs item #1601607, was opened at 2006-11-23 09:52 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by loewis You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601607&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Extension Modules Group: Python 2.4 >Status: Closed >Resolution: Invalid Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jolleydtan (jolleydtan) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: using python extension(wxPython) in c Initial Comment: hello,all. i am confronting with a weird problem, almost forcing to die,the feeling is miserable, so pls help me. here is a python application named "helloWorld",a simple gui application, assisted with wxPython. from wxPython.wx import * class myApp(wxApp): def OnInit(self): frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!"); frame.Show(true) self.SetTopWindow(frame) return true app = myApp() app.MainLoop() also sorry for my unsmart code, which i should import wx not wxPython.wx. and i want to use the simplest way to combine with c.so i use: #include "python.h" #include "wx/wxPython/wxPython.h" #include using namespace std; int main() { Py_Initialize(); if(!Py_IsInitialized()) { cerr << "hello,world!"<< endl; return -1; } PyRun_SimpleString("from wxPython.wx import *"); PyRun_SimpleString("class myApp(wxApp):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" def OnInit(self):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!")"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame.Show(true)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" self.SetTopWindow(frame)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" return true"); PyRun_SimpleString("app = myApp()"); PyRun_SimpleString("app.MainLoop()"); Py_Finalize(); return 0; } in addition, to make this work, i have configure something like this: add the wxpython include/library files in vc. includes: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\include. c:\python24\include\wx(it is the product of building wxPython) also the python include here. c:\python24\include libraries: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\lib\vc_dll(the build product of wxWidgets) c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\wxPython c:\python24\libs to supplement the problem, i install wxPython from source code,and i have gotten three files,all of which will be uploaded here. and both them can pass the build process,but get "detected memory leaks and dump objects"in the run process. i figure that it has great memory leaks when loading certain symbols,like wxmsw26ud.lib or such,while other lib are not loaded "no symbol loaded!" but i donot know why, and donot know how to build a wxPython script within c. here is the error message: Detected memory leaks! Dumping objects -> {6417} normal block at 0x01B72B30, 262144 bytes long. Data: <> CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {6339} normal block at 0x01B0A9C8, 480 bytes long. Data: <@_ > 00 00 01 D0 FB FB FB FB 40 5F AD 01 20 92 AD 01 {6338} normal block at 0x01B0A7D0, 440 bytes long. . {48} normal block at 0x003F2C88, 64 bytes long. Data: 68 00 A4 00 08 20 A9 00 68 00 B4 00 B8 11 B8 00 {47} normal block at 0x00A40068, 262144 bytes long. Data: <> CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {45} normal block at 0x003F4F10, 12 bytes long. Data: <> FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 C0 07 00 00 Object dump complete. The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x9ec) has exited with code 0 (0x0). The program '[2960] wxPythonGUI.exe: Native' has exited with code 0 (0x0). thanks one billion times if someone can tell me,coz the progress should be advanced further.and all my other people awaits it. regards, jolley.d.tan -- >Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-23 19:02 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO Please don't use the bug tracker as a means to get support; it is not meant to be used that way. Instead, try to get help e.g. on news:comp.lang.python I can see various errors in your code; as a starting point, check the result of PyRun_SimpleString. Closing the report as invalid. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1601607&group_id=5470 ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[ python-Bugs-1600860 ] --enable-shared links extensions to libpython statically
Bugs item #1600860, was opened at 2006-11-22 00:29 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by gustavo You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1600860&group_id=5470 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Distutils Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Marien Zwart (marienz) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: --enable-shared links extensions to libpython statically Initial Comment: python 2.5 tries to link extension modules to libpython2.5 if python is compiled with --enable-shared (patch #1429775, bug #83279, svn r45232). To do this it adds -lpython2.5 and -L$PREFIX/lib/python2.5/config to the link command line. -lpython2.5 is fine, however the "config" directory it adds contains a static libpython2.5.a library. The libpython2.5.so I think it should be linking to is in $PREFIX/lib. The result is even a trivial extension pulls in (nearly) all of that library, so you get an extension that is over a megabyte in size where older pythons produce one of a few kilobytes. There is a comment on the referenced bug saying """ You can probably rely on libpythonxy.so ending up in $(DESTDIR)$(LIBDIR)/$(INSTSONAME), whose values you can retrieve from the installed Makefile (i.e. through distutils.config). """ so I think the patch that got applied does not do what was intended. -- Comment By: Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro (gustavo) Date: 2006-11-23 20:47 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=908 Originator: NO Hmm.. I think I wrongfully assumed $prefix/lib/pythonX.Y/config contained a shared python library in addition to the static one. It seems that was an Ubuntu specific thing :| I'll take a good look and fix this within a couple of days... -- Comment By: Marien Zwart (marienz) Date: 2006-11-22 13:02 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=857292 Originator: YES I can reproduce this by using either gentoo's python 2.5 or one I installed temporarily with ./configure --enable-shared --prefix $HOME/tmp/pytem, using a trivial distutils extension (I used http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~marienz/ext.c and http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~marienz/setup.py for testing). The relevant command that is run is: gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-2.5/ext.o -L/home/marienz/tmp/pytem/lib/python2.5/config -lpython2.5 -o build/lib.linux-i686-2.5/ext.so for the manually-configured python and something similar for gentoo's python. The code doing the adding was added by r45232 in svn. From the diff (svn di -r45231:45232 http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk/Lib/distutils/command/build_ext.py) with some extra context added: -if sys.platform[:6] == 'cygwin' or sys.platform[:6] == 'atheos': +if sys.platform[:6] == 'cygwin' or sys.platform[:6] == 'atheos' or \ + (sys.platform.startswith('linux') and +sysconfig.get_config_var('Py_ENABLE_SHARED')): if string.find(sys.executable, sys.exec_prefix) != -1: # building third party extensions self.library_dirs.append(os.path.join(sys.prefix, "lib", "python" + get_python_version(), "config")) (that is around line 188 of Lib/distutils/command/build_ext.py) sys.platform on this host is linux2 and as far as I can tell Py_ENABLE_SHARED is true if --enable-shared is passed to configure. If you need any more information please ask. -- Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) Date: 2006-11-22 07:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=21627 Originator: NO I can't reproduce the problem. Why do you think -L$PREFIX/lib/python2.5/config is added to the link command line? AFAICT, it never is. What operating system are you using? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1600860&group_id=5470 ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com