[ python-Bugs-1377858 ] segfaults when using __del__ and weakrefs

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1377858, was opened at 2005-12-10 21:20
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Category: Python Interpreter Core
Group: Python 2.5
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 7
Submitted By: Carl Friedrich Bolz (cfbolz)
Assigned to: Michael Hudson (mwh)
Summary: segfaults when using __del__ and weakrefs

Initial Comment:
You can segfault Python by creating a weakref to an
object in its __del__ method, storing it somewhere and
then trying to dereference the weakref afterwards. the
attached file shows the described behaviour.

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>Comment By: Armin Rigo (arigo)
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The clear_weakref(*list) only clears the first
weakref to the object.  You need a while loop
in your patch. (attached proposed fix)

Now we're left with fixing the same bug in
old-style classes (surprize surprize), and
turning the crasher into a test.

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Comment By: Brett Cannon (bcannon)
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So after staring at this crasher it seemed to me to be that
clearing the new weakrefs w/o calling their finalizers after
calling the object's finalizer was the best solution.  I
couldn't think of any other good way to communicate to the
new weakrefs that the object they refer to was no longer
viable memory without doing clear_weakref() work by hand.

Attached is a patch to do this.  Michael, can you have a look?

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Date: 2006-01-10 19:29

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Added to outstanding_crashes.py.

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Hmm, maybe the referenced mayhem is more to do with clearing __dict__ than 
calling __del__.  What breaks if we do things in this order:

1. call __del__
2. clear weakrefs
3. clear __dict__

?

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Hmm, I was kind of hoping this report would get more attention.

The problem is obvious if you read typeobject.c around line 660: the weakref 
list is cleared before __del__ is called, so any weakrefs added during the 
execution of __del__ are never informed of the object's death.  One fix for 
this 
would be to clear the weakref list _after_ calling __del__ but that led to 
other 
mayhem in ways I haven't boethered to understand  (see SF bug 
#742911).  I guess we could just clear out any weakrefs created in __del__ 
without calling their callbacks.

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 21:28
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Category: Distutils
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 12:28
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Category: Distutils
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 21:28
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Category: Distutils
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Status: Open
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Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.

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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539336 ] distutils example code missing imports

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539336, was opened at 2006-08-13 00:30
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Category: Documentation
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: distutils example code missing imports

Initial Comment:
The example code in the "Single extension module"
section of "Distributing Python Modules" is missing
some imports.

Both examples should import Extension in addition to
setup. Otherwise, the following error results when the
examples are executed:

NameError: name 'Extension' is not defined

There might be similar issues elsewhere in the
documentation.

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 21:28
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Category: Distutils
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Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.

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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 21:28
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Category: Distutils
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Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.

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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 12:28
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Category: Distutils
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Status: Open
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Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Neal Norwitz (nnorwitz)
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Thanks for the patch!  It looks pretty good, but there are a
few changes (and additions) I would like to see.

I don't understand why you use 2k in the patch, but mention
the limit is 32k.

You should use mkstemp() instead of mktemp().  That will
open the file for you, so you can just do os.write(fd,
data).  You will need to close the file.

I would prefer to see a single os.spawnv() call.  You would
need tmp defined (but possibly None) and in the finally, you
would have to check if tmp: os.remove().

It would also be nice to see test and doc updates.  The
tests are in Lib/distutils/tests.

Thanks again for the patch.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

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Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.

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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 12:28
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Category: Distutils
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
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Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Neal Norwitz (nnorwitz)
Date: 2006-08-12 17:17

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Ah, our msgs crossed.  That explains the 2k.  It would be
nice to add a comment about that.

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Thanks for the patch!  It looks pretty good, but there are a
few changes (and additions) I would like to see.

I don't understand why you use 2k in the patch, but mention
the limit is 32k.

You should use mkstemp() instead of mktemp().  That will
open the file for you, so you can just do os.write(fd,
data).  You will need to close the file.

I would prefer to see a single os.spawnv() call.  You would
need tmp defined (but possibly None) and in the finally, you
would have to check if tmp: os.remove().

It would also be nice to see test and doc updates.  The
tests are in Lib/distutils/tests.

Thanks again for the patch.

--

Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Date: 2006-08-12 17:09

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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

--

Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Date: 2006-08-12 17:03

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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

--

Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Date: 2006-08-12 14:56

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Okay, I'll see what I can do.

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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
n

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[ python-Bugs-1539336 ] distutils example code missing imports

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539336, was opened at 2006-08-12 15:30
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Category: Documentation
>Group: Python 2.5
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
>Assigned to: Neal Norwitz (nnorwitz)
Summary: distutils example code missing imports

Initial Comment:
The example code in the "Single extension module"
section of "Distributing Python Modules" is missing
some imports.

Both examples should import Extension in addition to
setup. Otherwise, the following error results when the
examples are executed:

NameError: name 'Extension' is not defined

There might be similar issues elsewhere in the
documentation.

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Thanks!

Committed revision 51240.

Let us know if you find other places in the doc that are wrong.

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1539295, was opened at 2006-08-12 21:28
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Category: Distutils
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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Okay, I'm going to try to implement some of your suggestions.

A comment at the top of spawn.py says:

# This module should be kept compatible with Python 2.1.

but mkstemp was only added in Python 2.3. Is this comment
still valid?

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Ah, our msgs crossed.  That explains the 2k.  It would be
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Thanks for the patch!  It looks pretty good, but there are a
few changes (and additions) I would like to see.

I don't understand why you use 2k in the patch, but mention
the limit is 32k.

You should use mkstemp() instead of mktemp().  That will
open the file for you, so you can just do os.write(fd,
data).  You will need to close the file.

I would prefer to see a single os.spawnv() call.  You would
need tmp defined (but possibly None) and in the finally, you
would have to check if tmp: os.remove().

It would also be nice to see test and doc updates.  The
tests are in Lib/distutils/tests.

Thanks again for the patch.

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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
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Albert, could you try to work up a patch implementing this?
 It would be much more likely to get fixed that way.  It
should also work with older Windows (9x/ME).

Cheers,
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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
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Category: Distutils
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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New patch.

Included a test case that fails without the changes and
passes with the changes. Modified the code to incorporate
some of nnorwitz's suggestions, except for the mkstemp change.

The test case has a minor bug: the output of the build is
still created relative to the the current working directory.
I don't know distutils very well, so I'm not quite sure
which option to mangle to fix this.

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Okay, I'm going to try to implement some of your suggestions.

A comment at the top of spawn.py says:

# This module should be kept compatible with Python 2.1.

but mkstemp was only added in Python 2.3. Is this comment
still valid?

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Ah, our msgs crossed.  That explains the 2k.  It would be
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Thanks for the patch!  It looks pretty good, but there are a
few changes (and additions) I would like to see.

I don't understand why you use 2k in the patch, but mention
the limit is 32k.

You should use mkstemp() instead of mktemp().  That will
open the file for you, so you can just do os.write(fd,
data).  You will need to close the file.

I would prefer to see a single os.spawnv() call.  You would
need tmp defined (but possibly None) and in the finally, you
would have to check if tmp: os.remove().

It would also be nice to see test and doc updates.  The
tests are in Lib/distutils/tests.

Thanks again for the patch.

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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

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[ python-Bugs-1539295 ] Long command lines don't work on Windows

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
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Category: Distutils
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Long command lines don't work on Windows

Initial Comment:
Windows has a 32k command line limit, described here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx

The SciPy project is running into problems when using
distutils to compile LAPACK from source, because the
large number of source files results in a command line
of more than 70,000 characters.

Windows has a way of dealing with this problem, namely
putting the command line arguments in a file and
passing that file to executable with prepended with an
@, i.e. you want to run something like

lib.exe @tempdir\tempargs.lnk

SCons takes care of this through it's TEMPFILE
mechanism which uses the TempFileMunge class which can
be perused here:

http://scons.tigris.org/source/browse/scons/trunk/src/engine/SCons/Platform/__init__.py?rev=1582&view=markup

I think this problem can easily be addressed in
distutils by modifying the _spawn_nt method in spawn.py
to switch to this temp file method when the command
line length exceeds some threshold.


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>Comment By: Albert Strasheim (albertstrasheim)
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On further testing it seems this patch is a bit overzealous.
The @ magic doesn't work for Windows commands in general. :-(

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New patch.

Included a test case that fails without the changes and
passes with the changes. Modified the code to incorporate
some of nnorwitz's suggestions, except for the mkstemp change.

The test case has a minor bug: the output of the build is
still created relative to the the current working directory.
I don't know distutils very well, so I'm not quite sure
which option to mangle to fix this.

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Okay, I'm going to try to implement some of your suggestions.

A comment at the top of spawn.py says:

# This module should be kept compatible with Python 2.1.

but mkstemp was only added in Python 2.3. Is this comment
still valid?

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Ah, our msgs crossed.  That explains the 2k.  It would be
nice to add a comment about that.

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Thanks for the patch!  It looks pretty good, but there are a
few changes (and additions) I would like to see.

I don't understand why you use 2k in the patch, but mention
the limit is 32k.

You should use mkstemp() instead of mktemp().  That will
open the file for you, so you can just do os.write(fd,
data).  You will need to close the file.

I would prefer to see a single os.spawnv() call.  You would
need tmp defined (but possibly None) and in the finally, you
would have to check if tmp: os.remove().

It would also be nice to see test and doc updates.  The
tests are in Lib/distutils/tests.

Thanks again for the patch.

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Looks like the max length on Windows 95 might be as low as
256 characters, but I'm not sure about this. It seems
Windows 98 and Windows Me have a limit of 2048 characters.

SCons assumes 2048 characters on any Windows system, so I
did the same.

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Attached a first try at a patch.

Some things that could still be changed:

- We might want to print a different log info message when
using a temp file instead of calling the command directly

- Restructure the code so that the spawnv call only appears
in one place

The setup.py I attached should allow anyone to duplicate
this problem.

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[ python-Bugs-1437785 ] Problems w/ expat 1.95.7 vs. Python 2.4

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
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Category: XML
Group: Python 2.4
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Problems w/ expat 1.95.7 vs. Python 2.4

Initial Comment:
This may apply to the trunk as well...

Today I finished installing 2.4.2 and all our local libraries at work.
Trying out the main application I use I discovered Python segfaulting
when trying to import pyexpat.  It turned out that during the import
an earlier module (gtk.glade) also wanted libexpat.  Apparently pyexpat
was expecting to get Expat 1.95.8 (what's delivered with Python) but
got 1.95.7 instead (what we had installed and what was already linked
with all our other Expat-using code).

The solution was rather simple.  I just commented out those constants
in the pyexpat initialization that were marked as 1.95.8.  Fortunately
there was a comment identifying the version dependency.

Is there some way that Python's build process can detect the Expat
version and conditionally include/exclude bits that are for later
versions?


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Should be fixed by patch #1295808.

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Martin, I'm sorry.  If I understood it better I'd explain it
better.
Tell me if this helps.  We have expat 1.95.7 installed. We
have C++
libraries that link with that version and are wrapped for
use with
Python using SWIG.  Python 2.4 comes with 1.95.8. 
Apparently setup.py
finds that and compiles pyexpat against it.  In the pyexpat init
function I see this block of constant initialization:

/* Added in Expat 1.95.8. */
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_UNDECLARING_PREFIX);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_INCOMPLETE_PE);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_XML_DECL);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_TEXT_DECL);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_PUBLICID);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_SUSPENDED);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_NOT_SUSPENDED);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_ABORTED);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_FINISHED);
MYCONST(XML_ERROR_SUSPEND_PE);

If they are left in there, Python reliably segfaults at the
first of
those lines.  When I exclude those lines, everything works
fine.  If I
run ldd over pyexpat.so I don't see that libexpat is dynamically
linked in:

% ldd pyexpat.so
libgcc_s.so.1 =>
/opt/lang/gcc-3.3.2/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
libc.so.1 => /lib/libc.so.1
libm.so.2 => /lib/libm.so.2

I thus have a statically linked version of libexpat 1.95.8 which
appears to be exporting symbols:

% nm -p pyexpat.so  | egrep XML
042312 T XML_DefaultCurrent
042380 T XML_ErrorString
042428 T XML_ExpatVersion
042452 T XML_ExpatVersionInfo
039164 T XML_ExternalEntityParserCreate
042232 T XML_FreeContentModel
040580 T XML_GetBase
041584 T XML_GetBuffer
...

Elsewhere I have a C++ library that is dynamically linked to
1.95.7,
so I essentially have libexpat linked into the system twice.

Does that seem like a reasonable description of our setup? 
If so, I
can understand that trying to use (for example)
XML_ERROR_UNDECLARING_PREFIX (which is new to 1.95.8) with
symbols
from libexpat 1.95.7 might create problems.  I don't see how
it could
cause problems during constant initialization, but it does,
quite
reliably.  You're much more savvy about these things than I
am.  Maybe
you can see how this would happen.

How do we tell Python's build process not to use the bundled
1.95.8?
My local C++ gurus tell me they are not willing to rebuild
everything
with 1.95.8 just to make pyexpat happy.  If we tell it that,
then
those constant initialization lines need to be conditionally
exposed
to the compiler so that it works to compile with libexpat
1.95.7.



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I don't understand the problem. The build process should have 

[ python-Bugs-1246405 ] Segmentation fault when importing expat from xml.parser

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
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Category: XML
Group: Python 2.4
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jean-Pierre (jean-pierre24)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Segmentation fault when importing expat from xml.parser

Initial Comment:
 Hello,

I have a strange segmentation fault when importing
expat from xml.parsers in the following program (I
removed all that is un-necessary to reproduce the bug,
which is why the code may look odd).

I've also posted this bug on wxPython bug lists because
I'm not sure if it's related to Python or wxPython, but
anyway the backtrace told me that the segmentation
fault occurs when importing expat.

import wx
import wx.html

class MainFrame(wx.Frame):
def __init__(self, prnt):
wx.Frame.__init__(self, parent=prnt)
wx.html.HtmlWindow(wx.Window(self, -1), -1)
print "debug 1"
from xml.parsers import expat
print "debug 2"

class BoaApp(wx.App):
def OnInit(self):
wx.InitAllImageHandlers()
MainFrame(None)
return True

app = BoaApp()

The segmentation fault occurs between 'debug 1' and
'debug 2'. If I try to remove anything else, it doesn't
happen.
I have confirmed the bug on SunOS 5.8, on linux Red Hat
Enterprise Server 3 and linux Advanced Server 3.
I'm working with Python 2.4.1 and wxPython 2.6.1.0
Here is in attached file, the backtrace from gdb.

Feel free to ask me any additional information...


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Patch 1295808 should have fixed this. Can you try it with
Python 2.5b2?

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Could this be the same problem as bug 1075984 ?
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Yes I can try with different version of wx, but it will take
time.
Anyway for today here is in attachment the valgrind output
on linux x86.

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I don't have the problem with Python 2.3.4 and wx 2.5.5.1.

Are you able to try different versions of wxPython?  I
notice that wx 2.6.2 is available.  Are you able to run
under valgrind or purify?

If you run under valgrind, be sure to specify
--suppressions=Misc/valgrind-python.supp
The file is in the Python distribution.  You can download it
through SourceForge ViewCVS.

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Link is :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1246397&group_id=9863&atid=109863

Unfortunately, absolutely nothing has happened since I
reported the bug.

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Can you provide a link to the wx bug report?  Has anything
happend with it?

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[ python-Bugs-1075984 ] Memory fault pyexpat.so on SGI

2006-08-12 Thread SourceForge.net
Bugs item #1075984, was opened at 2004-11-30 05:13
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Category: XML
Group: Python 2.4
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Maik Hertha (mhertha)
Assigned to: Fred L. Drake, Jr. (fdrake)
Summary: Memory fault pyexpat.so on SGI

Initial Comment:
I build the latest RC1 of python 2.4.
System SGI Fuel IP35, Irix 6.5.26m

cc -version
MIPSpro Compilers: Version 7.3.1.3m

- make tests passes test_pyexpat without error
- running this code leads to a core dump

-- code ---
import xml.dom.minidom
doc = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(fstream)

<<< core dump >>>
--- runing python -v test.py
#
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/dom/expatbuilder.pyc
matches
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/dom/expatbuilder.py
import xml.dom.expatbuilder # precompiled from
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/dom/expatbuilder.pyc
import xml.parsers # directory
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers
#
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/__init__.pyc
matches
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/__init__.py
import xml.parsers # precompiled from
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/__init__.pyc
# /opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/expat.pyc
matches /opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/expat.py
import xml.parsers.expat # precompiled from
/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/xml/parsers/expat.pyc
dlopen("/opt/python24c1/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/pyexpat.so",
2);
Memory fault(coredump)

- running this code from an interactive session leads
not to a coredump

I need some assistance howto provide further debug
information.

--maik./

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Comment By: Georg Brandl (gbrandl)
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This should be addressed by patch #1295808.

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Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
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I think the problem will occur whenever somebody loads
libexpat.so with dlopen and RTLD_GLOBAL. IMO, this should be
avoided. I can't see in which of these different reports
this really is the case, but in those cases, this much looks
like a third-party bug.

If you import pyexpat first, it looks fine, since it will
resolve the symbols against its own copy, without exporting
them. Then, the later usage of libexpat cannot mistakenly go
into pyexpat because Python loaded this with RTLD_LOCAL.
However, it still may crash later when symbols are resolved
lazily, as more expat symbols might be needed when using
pyexpat, so different symbols might go to different libraries.

Linking pyexpat with -Bsymbolic (where available) should
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The problem seems to be related (same?) as bug #1295808. 
Does the patch there fix these problems?

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FWIW, this same problem crops up when using Python & VTK
together (which also ships with its own version of expat). 
bos's workaround will make things work, though.

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I ran into this problem as well on a debian GNU/Linux system
on x86 hardware.  It occurs both with pygtk 2.4 and wxPython
2.5 both built against gtk 2.4.

bos' patch at least solves the immediate problem of the
segmentation fault.  It may be a good idea to print a
warning message if some of the error codes cannot be
translated to strings, though.


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With the GNU linker, you can pass in -Bstatic to force it to resolve the 
symbols in the local shared library, instead of globally. This also works on 
Irix. I don't know about other Unixes.

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[ python-Bugs-1465014 ] CSV regression in 2.5a1: multi-line cells

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Bugs item #1465014, was opened at 2006-04-05 08:14
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Category: Documentation
Group: Python 2.5
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: David Goodger (goodger)
Assigned to: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
Summary: CSV regression in 2.5a1: multi-line cells

Initial Comment:
Running the attached csv_test.py under Python 2.4.2
(Windows XP SP1) produces:

>c:\apps\python24\python.exe ./csv_test.py
['one', '2', 'three (line 1)\n(line 2)']

Note that the third item in the row contains a newline
between "(line 1)" and "(line 2)".

With Python 2.5a1, I get:

>c:\apps\python25\python.exe ./csv_test.py
['one', '2', 'three (line 1)(line 2)']

Notice the missing newline, which is significant.  The
CSV module under 2.5a1 seems to lose data.


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Comment By: Andrew McNamara (andrewmcnamara)
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Yep, your changes are reasonable. I considered adding an 
example, but couldn't think of anything that illustrated 
the point without confusing the reader further.

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Comment By: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
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I'll see your 50993 and raise you a 50998.  Just minor tweaks.  Hopefully we 
can 
close this puppy, though a small example to make the idea concrete might be 
worthwhile.


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Comment By: Andrew McNamara (andrewmcnamara)
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I've changed the comment again in changeset 50993 - 
hopefully this attempt describes the difference more fully. 
Let me know what you think.

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I checked in a change to libcsv.tex (revision 50953).  It adds a versionchanged 
bit to the reader doc that explains why the behavior changed in 2.5.  Andrew & 
Andrew, please check my work.  Sorry for the delay taking care of this.

Skip


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
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I looked at this bug report, but I have no idea of exactly
what behaviour has changed or what needs to be described.


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Comment By: Andrew McNamara (andrewmcnamara)
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Yep, your point about adding a comment to the documentation 
is fair. Skip, do you want to take my words and massage 
them into a form suitable for the docs?

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I didn't realize that the previous behavior was buggy; I
thought that the current behavior was a side-effect.  The
2.5 behavior did cause a small problem in Docutils, but it's
already been fixed.  I just wanted to ensure that no
regression was creeping in to 2.5.

Thanks for the explanation!  Perhaps it could be added to
the docs in some form?

Marking the bug report closed.

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The previous behaviour caused considerable problems, 
particularly on platforms that did not use the unix line-
ending conventions, or with files that originated on those 
platforms - users were finding mysterious newlines where 
they didn't expect them.

Quoted fields exist to allow characters that would otherwise 
be considered part of the syntax to appear within the field. 
 So yes, quoted fields are a special case, and necessarily 
so.

The current behaviour puts the control back in the hands of 
the user of the module: if literal newlines are important 
within a field, they need to read their file in a way that 
preserves the newlines. The old behaviour would introduce 
spurious chara