Failure building 2.5.59 RPM
I just downloaded the latest linux-2.5.59.tar.bz2 file from kernel.org, bunzipped in in /usr/src, and tried 'make rpm'. After several hundred lines of initial output, the process failed with this output: + make oldconfig dep clean bzImage modules make[1]: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'. Stop. error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72887 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72887 (%build) make: *** [rpm] Error 1 Running a fully up2updated RH8 system. Does 'make rpm' work for anyone else? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: LSI MegaRAID Elite 1600
Jesse, Is this an LSI-rebranded AMI MegaRAID card? If so, I've had excellent luck with an older MegaRAID 1200 card and Red Hat. Its lengthy BIOS POST is a bit annoying when rebooting, but that's about the only downside. The Linux driver is solid. I'm currently running fifteen 4.5G IBM U+W drives in a 63G hardware RAID5 array that Red Hat sees as a simple /dev/sda. With 128M of on-board cache RAM, it's very fast. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL On Friday February 7, 2002 Jesse Keating wrote: > Is anybody usin this dual channel SCSI raid card with Red Hat? > Experiences? Good/bad? I'm looking at possibly using it in our > lowerend servers, but wanted to get some info on it first. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Seeking advice on mother board
> This is a little bit off-topic, but not entirely. So hopefully I will > be forgiven. > > I want to upgrade an old PC that I have with a new motherboard, new HD, > etc., in order to make a system which I will install RH8.0 on. It is > strictly for home use, but nevertheless I would like it to be a stable > system. > > I know that I can check to see which hardware Linux runs on, but my > question deals with the following: Among the different motherboards > that I can buy, which are considered the best? (Best built, most > stable, etc.) While price is always a consideration, it is not the > prime consideration. John, One school of thought says the most stable Linux platform is the one Linus uses himself. I don't recall exactly how/where to look, but I'm told that info is embedded in the official stock release tarballs. I've had good luck with Abit, ASUS, and Tyan. My current favorite is Tyan's S2468 dual Athlon superboard. The latest model number is S2469 with dual on-board Ultra-320 SCSI host adapters and the ability to support a very neat Adaptec 64-bit PCI board that makes one of those a full hardware RAID channel. The only real "gotcha" about dual Athlon motherboards like the S2468/S2469 is that many require a special ATXGES power supply with a 24-pin connector. Browse thru Tom's Hardware web site. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Supermicro dual XEON install failure
On Tuesday, February 25 2000, Wade Hampton wrote: > G'day. > > I have several new SuperMicro dual XEON machine with 2 ATAPI drives. [snip] > For now, I have removed the promise 100TX card. The box now has > hda-120G HD, hdb-CD-ROM, hdc-120G. [snip] > Sometimes the install fails in Anaconda before starting X: > /usr/bin/anaconda line 73, dispatch.py line 19 from packages import >readPackages >packages.py line 31, comps.py line 28, comps.py line 7 import getopt > getopt.py line 1, assert len(possibilities) == 1 >invalid syntax [snip] > Sometimes the install displays some CPIO errors in the blue screen prior > to starting X. > > I just had the install fail after starting X. I got a black screen with > the large X. The mouse can move the X, but no further screens were > displayed. Wade, Is your CD-ROM a slave on the same controller as your first hard drive? Unless Promise does something exotic for RAID, I would expect your hard drives to be hda-120G and hdb-120G as master/slave on the primary controller, with hdc-CDROM alone on the second controller. Or is this no longer necessary??? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Supermicro dual XEON install failure
On Tuesday, February 25 2003, Wade Hampton wrote: > My CD and first hard drive are on the first controller. > The second hard drive is on the second controller. Wade, That may be your problem. There's a huge speed difference between hard drives and CD-ROM drives. That's why they're almost never installed on the same cable. Can you try swapping things around so that both hard drives are on the same cable/controller? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Rpm in segmentation fault
Giovanni, rpm sometimes gets confused and doesn't complete an operation. Intermediate files are left behind, and these cause more confusion. As root, go to /var/lib/rpm and delete any __db.00x files. Also any rpm* files in /var/tmp. Then run 'rpm --rebuilddb'. This should fix things. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 Giovanni wrote: > Hi everyone, > I think that is a simple question for you, but I can't solve it: I can't > install or uninstall anything on my RH (fully upgraded) because > everytime rpm goes in segmentation fault... > PS: I use rpm from a command line. > Any hint? > Byez -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: SSH Terminal Emulation
On Tuesday March 11, 2003 Arthur Chong wrote: > We are currently using SSH Tera Termpro on Windows2000 > to do ssh into our RedHat8.0 box. > > The terminal emulation is less than perfect, when you > do a man page, wired characters show up. (for example...) > > We've tried vt110, vt320, vt382. They are all not > working. > > What do you guys use for your Windows SSH terminals? putty.exe --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Can't activate /dev/st0
After a completely new Psyche installation on my IBM Thinkpad, to fix incurable brokenness caused by overly-ambitious apt-get settings (another story), the Symbios 53c810 host adapter in my docking station is correctly recognized at boot-time (it wasn't before), but the Seagate Scorpion DDS3 DAT drive is not. The st driver is not automatically installed. I can try 'insmod st', and it will appear in 'lsmod', but 'tar tv /dev/st0' fails with the following: tar: /dev/st0: Cannot open: No such device tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Before I reinstalled I had to boot the ORIGINAL kernel (errata kernels seemed to be confused by the PCI-PCI bridges in the docking station -- more brokenness?), then load the sym53c8xx_2 and st modules manually. I could then use the tape drive all I wanted. I'm in a bit of a bind. Without /dev/st0 I have no access to the backup tapes I made before reinstalling. Help?? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Can't activate /dev/st0
> > >> After a completely new Psyche installation on my IBM Thinkpad, to fix >> incurable brokenness caused by overly-ambitious apt-get settings > (another >> story), the Symbios 53c810 host adapter in my docking station is > correctly >> recognized at boot-time (it wasn't before), but the Seagate Scorpion > DDS3 >> DAT drive is not. The st driver is not automatically installed. I > can try >> 'insmod st', and it will appear in 'lsmod', but 'tar tv /dev/st0' > fails >> with the following: >> >> tar: /dev/st0: Cannot open: No such device >> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now >> >> Before I reinstalled I had to boot the ORIGINAL kernel (errata > kernels >> seemed to be confused by the PCI-PCI bridges in the docking station - > - >> more brokenness?), then load the sym53c8xx_2 and st modules > manually. I >> could then use the tape drive all I wanted. >> >> I'm in a bit of a bind. Without /dev/st0 I have no access to the > backup >> tapes I made before reinstalling. > > Hi there. I recenmtly had the same type of issue with an HP SureStore > DLT 80 drive. What I had to do was 'rmmod ide-scsi', then 'modprobe > st'. I do that in the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file so it does it every time > it boots. With that my drive is now recognized and I can use it. Hope > this helps a bit or gives you an idea. > > >> >> Help?? >> >> --Doc Savage >> Fairview Heights, IL > > Regards, > > Eric Burke Eric, I'll try that when I get home tonight, and will let you know. Sounds like a bit of a kluge, but like the ol' Russian general once said, "Perfection is the enemy of good enough." Thanks for the quick response. --Doc -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Can't activate /dev/st0
On Tuesday March 11, 2003 Erik Burke wrote: > Hi there. I recenmtly had the same type of issue with an HP SureStore > DLT 80 drive. What I had to do was 'rmmod ide-scsi', then 'modprobe > st'. I do that in the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file so it does it every time > it boots. With that my drive is now recognized and I can use it. Hope > this helps a bit or gives you an idea. Erik, No joy. Here's the modules.conf built during the install. Is there anything missing? alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias scsi_hostadapter ncr53c8xx alias eth0 eepro100 alias sound-slot-0 cs46xx post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias usb-controller usb-uhci And I don't know if this is significant, but I've noticed this in dmesg: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Squirrelmail download error
My local ISP recently replaced its BSD-based webmail with Squirrelmail.
Very nice, but the following bug has appeared whenever I try to "download"
or "view" an attachment:
Parse error: parse error, unexpected ')' in
/usr/share/squirrelmail/src/download.php on line 337
I'm not a perl programmer, but there does appear to be a missing '(' at
the beginning of this line:
$filename = 'untitled' . strip_tags($passed_ent_id) .$suffix);
^
Anybody else?
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Re: Squirrelmail download error
Steve,
Thanks. I'll pass this on to my ISP.
To your knowledge, has this particular nit been Bugzilla'd? If not, I'll
do it.
--Doc Savage
Fairview Hieghts, IL
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:53:25 -0600 (CST)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> My local ISP recently replaced its BSD-based webmail with
>> Squirrelmail. Very nice, but the following bug has appeared whenever I
>> try to "download" or "view" an attachment:
>>
>> Parse error: parse error, unexpected ')' in
>> /usr/share/squirrelmail/src/download.php on line 337
>>
>> I'm not a perl programmer, but there does appear to be a missing '('
>> at the beginning of this line:
>>
>> $filename = 'untitled' . strip_tags($passed_ent_id) .$suffix);
>>^
>> Anybody else?
>>
>> --Doc Savage
>> Fairview Heights, IL
>
>
> I had the same problem, got to line 337 and remove the last )
> all seems well after that.
>
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> Steve
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Re: Can't activate /dev/st0
Michael, The only device listed in /proc/scsi/scsi is my DVD/CD-RW drive from the ide-scsi emulation driver. I'm not all that sure the real SCSI driver (ncr53c8xx or sym53c8xx_2) is behaving well enough to allow the st driver to work thru it and see the DAT drive. Any diehard device driver gurus out there??? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL On Wednesday March 12, 2002 Michael Weber wrote: > Look at the contents of /proc/scsi/scsi, and /proc/scsi/*/* to find your > tape drive. Here's what I get: > > # cat /proc/scsi/scsi > Attached devices: > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 > Vendor: ARCHIVE Model: Python 04106-XXX Rev: 735B > Type: Sequential-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > HTH > > -Michael > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/03 10:58PM >>> > On Tuesday March 11, 2003 Erik Burke wrote: >> Hi there. I recenmtly had the same type of issue with an HP > SureStore >> DLT 80 drive. What I had to do was 'rmmod ide-scsi', then 'modprobe >> st'. I do that in the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file so it does it every > time >> it boots. With that my drive is now recognized and I can use it. > Hope >> this helps a bit or gives you an idea. > > Erik, > > No joy. Here's the modules.conf built during the install. Is there > anything missing? > >alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc >alias scsi_hostadapter ncr53c8xx >alias eth0 eepro100 >alias sound-slot-0 cs46xx >post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >>/dev/null 2>&1 || : >pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >>/dev/null 2>&1 || : >alias usb-controller usb-uhci > > And I don't know if this is significant, but I've noticed this in > dmesg: > >kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = > 2 > > --Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > > > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Squirrelmail download error
Done. Bugzilla #86403. --Doc > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:26:19 -0600 (CST) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Thanks. I'll pass this on to my ISP. >> >> To your knowledge, has this particular nit been Bugzilla'd? If not, >> I'll do it. >> >> --Doc Savage >> Fairview Hieghts, IL >> > Dont know about it being listed with bugzilla? I ran across this the > first of the week, fixed it and have not looked back... > > Steve -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: AMD opteron support
Nadim, Good question. Others have asked similar questions. Since Red Hat hasn't made an official announcement about this (yet), I doubt a native 64-bit version will be available when 8.1 is released. Of course the feature that will make Opteron MUCH easier to migrate to than Itanium is your ability to install and run (very fast) a 32-bit version of 8.1 until a 64-bit native version is released. This is a replay of the historic Data General versus Digital Equipment 16-bit-to-32-bit transition (read Tracy Kidder's "Soul Of A New Machine"). --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL On Wednesday March 12, 2003 Nadim Bitar wrote: > Is Redhat 8.1 going to support the upcoming AMD Opteron processors or > you need the advanced workstation for that. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Squirrelmail download error
Mnad dyslexia. Make that Bugzilla #86043. > Done. Bugzilla #86403. > --Doc > >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:26:19 -0600 (CST) >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> Thanks. I'll pass this on to my ISP. >>> >>> To your knowledge, has this particular nit been Bugzilla'd? If not, >>> I'll do it. >>> >>> --Doc Savage >>> Fairview Hieghts, IL >>> > >> Dont know about it being listed with bugzilla? I ran across this the >> first of the week, fixed it and have not looked back... >> >> Steve > > > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Maillog GONE!
On Wednesday March 12, 2003 Corey Head wrote: > OK...I did a bad thing. I decided my maillog was too full, so I "cp > maillog maillog3112003" and then "touch maillog" and made sure it had > the same permissions. Well...it seemed fine, but nothing is getting > logged now. I'm fairly new at this Linux thing...so can someone help me > out on this? Corey, Assuming you've alread done these: # chmod 600 /var/log/maillog # chown root:root /var/log/maillog I'll guess your next step should be: # service syslog restart --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Editor Documentation
> On 17:57 21 Mar 2003, Wolfgang Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: | Can anyone tell me or point me in the right direction as to > where to | get hold of some editor documentation. Either in HTML or > PDF format. | > | What I basically would like to do, is to write some *.sh scripts. > And | use the editor commands to edit some text files (Command line > based). | I want to be able to search for text, and either add text > to the file | (in the correct area), or remove the text and/or > replace the text in | the file using a script. Wolfgang, O'Reilly has an excellent reference book on vi available in both hardcopy and on-line form. You can view the on-line version at http://safari.oreilly.com/?x=1&mode=section&sortKey=title&sortOrder=asc&view=&xmlid=1-56592-426-6/DEDICATION-1-fm2xml&open=false&catid=&s=1&b=1&f=1&t=1&c=1&u=1&r=&o=1 If you want to write those edits as part of scripts, then there's another O'Reilly reference book you'll probably want called 'sed & awk'. There are fancier editors out there, but as everyone knows... (get ready for it !!!) Real men use vi. ...reaching for the fire extinguisher now :-) --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: able to d/l redhat 9.0?
> Hi All, > > Has anyone been able to d/l RedHat 9.0 from rhn.redhat.com? > > In Peace, > Saqib Ali Saqib, I'm downloading shrike-i386-disc1.iso from RHN now using a broadband connection. Everything appears to be running very smoothly with a sustained speed of about 240 kbps at 08:30 CST (GMT-5). At this rate I should have all six ISOs by quitting time. In the spirit of "know thy competition", I'm also downloading the RTM eval images of Windows 2003 Server, Web Server, and Enterprise Server on a second machine this morning. Now, if I just had tickets to see the St. Louis Cardinals play the Milwaukee Brewers at Busch Stadium this afternoon :-) --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Direct TV Satellite connections
On Wednesday, October 23, 2002 Thom Paine wrote: > If it is similar to the one Bell offers here in Canada, you get a card > that plugs into the computer. There is special software that brings the > card online and reconfigures your browsing. You still need a phone line > and a dial-up isp. Any outbound packets go through the dialup to the sat > station which then directs incoming information down the DTV stream. I'm > not sure if two way is supported as of yet. If you have DTV at home, you > can check channel 227 I think. They have the DWAY info channel on there. > That might answer some preliminary questions. www.directv.com may also > have some info on it. Thom, Here in the Lower 48 DirectWay is a pure satellite system, unlike its hybrid predecessor which required a land line modem for all outbound traffic. The biggest problem with DirectWay is the speed of light. The minimum one-way distance to a geosynchronous satellite is still 23,500 miles, which is about 1/8 light-second. That means the absolute minimum time required for a full duplex character echo from the distant end is at least 1/2 second (up & down outbound followed by up & down return). To that time you must add in the arctangent multipliers for each of the two look angles, and the absolute delays along any terrestrial path segments. Aside from the human interface difficulties this delay presents, it can have all sorts of wierd effects on protocols which expect ping times in the 100 msec range. I remember how we had to change the cryptographic resync pattern from 10101010... to ... for 50 kbps analog modems on military satellite links. I can well imagine how HTTP acceleration and FTP might be very adversly affected by such lengthy absolute delays. If you are trying to connect to the Internet from someplace so remote that satellite is your only means available, then I think DirectWay may be a tolerable solution. As an engineer, however, I believe DirectWay's designers must have been sitting on their collective brains when they packaged their product exclusively for USB + Windows. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
Re: Direct TV Satellite connections
> I believe you will find that this is a marketing decision. I am > speaking strickly for myself on this, not as a representative of > Hughes. Neal, Undoubtedly. In a perfect world marketeers would work with engineers to make the right product decisions. In the real world, however, most of the marketeers I know seem to think "The Emperor's New Clothes" was a masters thesis. Sigh --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL P.S. Love DirecTV. Best idea since home pizza delivery. - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
RE: Direct TV Satellite connections
On Wednesday, October 23, 2002 Robert L. Cochran wrote: > Doesn't Microsoft have a significant investment stake in DirectWay? Or > DirectTV? Indirectly. I believe Microsoft is a minority shareholder of Hughes Electronics (parent to DirecTV), but I don't know how large their share is. IIRC, this investment was made when Microsoft was looking at DirecTV as a captive market for its UltimateTV settop units. That initiative didn't pan out, but I think Microsoft kept the shares. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
Re: Boxed set not available anywhere
On Tuesday, October 1, 2002 C Moss wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 09:32:06PM -0400, Robert L. Cochran wrote: > > Is money really the issue? I've tried persuading a friend to use Red Hat > > in any version for a couple years now. At his request I've given him CD > > sets ever since versions 6.1 or 6.2. He still hasn't installed Red Hat. > > I'll give him my 8.0 CD set too, but this time I'll try to supply some > > color screen shots with them as a carrot. Well a Hershey Bar? > > You might want to invite him over to watch you do an install on one of your > boxes. Another option to whet his appetite would be to give him a run from > CD distro to play with. Knoppix is a great tool for getting people > interested. You can tell him Linux will take a lot less time and effort to install and maintain. As I write this I'm about eighteen hours into replacing Window 98 with a fresh install of Windows 2000 Pro on a Dell C600 laptop at the office. It's taking forever to collect all the drivers from Dell's web site before upgrading, and all the Windows Updates afterwards using a 128 kbps frame relay line. I haven't even begun the Office 2000 updates yet. Its one reboot after another, after another, after another It took me less than five hours to do the equivalent bare metal RH7.3 install my own personal laptop. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
Load balancing software?
At work we're considering the purchase of a rather expensive load balancer so we can spread increased traffic loads over multiple web servers. Does anyone know of an open source software alternative to a hardware load balancer? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
Re: Load balancing software?
Jesse, That sounds like a first rate suggestion. Good show. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL > On Monday, October 7, 2002 Jesse Keating wrote: > You could grab the source to the load balancer that Red Hat Advanced > Server uses... - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
Re: How To Verify Software RAID?
> On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 00:19, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > I just installed 8.0 to my self-built computer. I believe I have > > configured software RAID sucessfully. But how do I verify that RAID is > > working? > > Unplug the power from a hard drive? Gakkk!!! Before or after you back up any critical files? Reminds me of the saying: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
duplicate messages
In the past couple of days I've noticed several instances of duplicate message postings to this list, each with slightly different times. They were posted by different folks, so I tend to think this is caused by the mail list software itself. Can the list owner check to see if all lug nuts are tight? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL - This message was sent from Peaknet, Inc. http://www.peaknet.net/
