Is glitter working on your systems ?
Hello all, I have installed Glitter on my Psyche box. Installation goes through perfectly but after configuring it when I do download I get this : "Error generated while attempting to run gary IO::Handle::setvbuf not implemented on this architecture at /usr/local/bin/gary line 42 Any ideas ? This happens when I install through rpm or through compilation. Cheers, -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: bcm4400.o NIC module
Vik> But, when you start transferring high volume traffic over this Vik> NIC, that driver seems to stop transmitting and/or receiving Vik> packets. And then you're out of business ;-) Vik> service network stop ; modprobe -r module ; service network start Vik> And everything works again for a while. Bottom line is that the Vik> module for this NIC is not stable. Ron> I've lately noticed similar problems with high system loads or Ron> high network traffic. I'm networking two machines and using NFS Ron> to remotely mount filesystems. Ron> /var/log/messages shows the following errors: Ron> localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out Ron> This is with version 1.0.1 (08/26/02) of bcm4400.o I'm going to try increasing the transmit timeout in this driver: $ diff b44um.c b44um.c.orig 15,16c15,16 < char bcm4400_version[] = "1.0.1rgo"; < char bcm4400_date[] = "(01/25/03)"; --- > char bcm4400_version[] = "1.0.1"; > char bcm4400_date[] = "(08/26/02)"; 49,50c49 < /* Change TX_TIMEOUT from (2*HZ) to (5*HZ) - Ron Olsen 1/25/03 */ < #define TX_TIMEOUT (5*HZ) --- > #define TX_TIMEOUT (2*HZ) If the driver is basically sane, but just gets overloaded during periods of high traffic, this may help. It will increase the interval before the kernel watchdog timer kicks in to declare the transmitter is hung. Many other network drivers have TX_TIMEOUT set to (4*HZ) or (5*HZ), so this is not an unreasonable thing to try. I'll run some experiments and report back. -- Ron Olsen Boulder Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
linux abi in kernel 2.4.20-2.21
While in RH7.X and 2.4.18.x RH kernels the linux ABI is includes the 2.4.20 kernels miss this patch. Is it intended to add this again? Must I try it do to by myself? Bye Wolfgang -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
warnings compiling kernel 2.4.20-2.21
compiling the kernel gives in nearly all *.c files
/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-2.21/include/linux/sched.h:548:1:warning:"cpu_online"redefined
/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-2.21/include/linux/smp.h:87:1: warning: this is
the location of the previous definition
where sched.h defines
#define cpu_online(cpu) ((cpu) < smp_num_cpus)
and smp.h defines for not defined CONFIG_SMP
#define smp_num_cpus1
#define cpu_online(cpu) ({ BUG_ON((cpu) != 0);1;})
Bye Wolfgang
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RE: adduser -M
Remove the [home] section from your smb.conf file add in a section for each group and specify two sections as such [originators] comment = Originators Directory valid users = read only = No create mask = 0660 directory mask = 0770 browseable = No [processors] comment = processors Directory valid users = read only = No create mask = 0660 directory mask = 0770 browseable = No This will give your users access only to the directory that they are specified in. > So, How do I turn off the [home] share? > > Buck > -- Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Messenger Popups
I read about this somewhere but cant quite remember where. they suggested blocking to ports as windows uses this service internally. i personally dont know as i dont have any windows machines here. a google search should show up what ports you need to block. though perhaps you should block all incomming ports except those that are absoultly neccesary. Dennis On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 15:11, Buck wrote: > I have a problem in Windows that outside users are popping up ads from > windows messenger. I am wondering if there is a similar product in > RedHat that might be having the same problem. Or, is Red Hat safe from > that junk? > > Thank you, > > Buck > -- Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Mozilla 1.2.1
Hi Anyone expierenced problems with mozilla crashing after entering a url and hitting enter ? Thought it was Squid but disabled it and the same problem. -- /Marek /Pawinski.net There are two wolves inside me fighting. One evil, one good. The one i feed will win. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Xine
How do you install Xine starting from RPMS (that I got from Rpmsfind), as i get a lot of missing dependencies: glut, aalib, lirc, libaa.so.1, libglut.so.3, libaa.so.1 Tnx Antonio M. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Xine
Hi, Xine is easy to install on RH8 via RPM with : aalib-1.4rc5-fr1.i386.rpm lirc-0.6.5-fr3.i386.rpm xine-libs-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm aalib-devel-1.4rc5-fr1.i386.rpm xine-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm xine-libs-devel-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm You will find them on freshrpms, all. Good luck, Philippe On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:08, antonio montagnani wrote: > How do you install Xine starting from RPMS (that I got from Rpmsfind), > as i get a lot of missing dependencies: > > glut, aalib, lirc, libaa.so.1, libglut.so.3, libaa.so.1 > > Tnx > > Antonio M. > -- Philippe, Chiangmai, Thailand -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Excellent signature
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> {^_^} <- An old curmudgeonette who's heard too many tails of email woe
> for her tastes./
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Well, this has been a long time coming. Tales, not tails!!!
(Of course, you did that on purpose)
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Re: Xine
On Saturday 25 January 2003 13:08, antonio montagnani wrote: > How do you install Xine starting from RPMS (that I got from Rpmsfind), > as i get a lot of missing dependencies: > > glut, aalib, lirc, libaa.so.1, libglut.so.3, libaa.so.1 > Go to freshrpms.net. They got everything you need. I would do the following: Download apt-get from http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/psyche/apt/ Then du the following as root: > rpm -Uvh apt*.rpm > apt-get update > apt-get install xine And you're done.(You probably should read http://apt.freshrpms.net now.) -- Øystein Olsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics, http://www.astro.uio.no University of Oslo, Norway -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Restricting certain page access in apache
Hi, I'm currently runing Mailman, I wish to stop joe public from accessing the admin and create pages. (maybe setup a rediret to the main page unless coming from a certain IP rage). But still want to allow acess to the listinfo and subscription pages as normal. Is there is a way in apache to I can only allow access to these certain pages by IP address? I may be wrong (an probally am), but using .htaccess in the directory where these pages reside, will apply to *all* the pages in that directory. They are all python scripts that generate the pages, and they are all in the same directory (cgi-bin) Any help would be great Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Apache 1.3.x on Psyche
CodeWeavers updated the crossover plugin should work now Dennis On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:10, Joe Klemmer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Bit the bullet and upgraded my main laptop from Valhalla to > Psyche. Most of the things I really need to use will work (I tested them > on my work system; no one cares if I spork that one) but there's still a > few things I need to try (like crossover plugin/office). > > Has anyone tried to put Apache 1.3.x on a psyche system? I know > Apache 2.x comes with psyche but most of the servers I need to do devel > work for still run 1.3.x. > > - -- > "Khamaaa, Ham, HA!" > -- Goku, Dragon Ball > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE+Le91HeWRPx8OIHARAkwXAJ9mu5wI1bVIVlqmy5jFcUO+REneHgCfetqx > HL9ho8zlDRjcGLw++aLcjYg= > =ohst > -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Restricting certain page access in apache (sorted)
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:58, Mark C wrote: I've sorted it now chears Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Xine
Philippe wrote: Hi, Xine is easy to install on RH8 via RPM with : aalib-1.4rc5-fr1.i386.rpm lirc-0.6.5-fr3.i386.rpm xine-libs-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm aalib-devel-1.4rc5-fr1.i386.rpm xine-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm xine-libs-devel-0.9.13-fr6.i386.rpm You will find them on freshrpms, all. Good luck, Philippe On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:08, antonio montagnani wrote: How do you install Xine starting from RPMS (that I got from Rpmsfind), as i get a lot of missing dependencies: glut, aalib, lirc, libaa.so.1, libglut.so.3, libaa.so.1 Tnx Antonio M. Tnx. You missed Glut that I found on at.tpmfind.net. And installation was fine. Antonio Montagnani -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Mozilla 1.2.1
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 05:54, Marek wrote: > Hi > > Anyone expierenced problems with mozilla crashing after entering a url > and hitting enter ? Thought it was Squid but disabled it and the same > problem. I had a similar problem, and it turned out that I didn't have Java installed. The plugin was there, but the JRE was missing. After I installed the JRE and reinstalled the plugin, life was good. The way I figured it out was to run Mozilla from the command line, and watch the error messages that came out just before it crashed. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: linux abi in kernel 2.4.20-2.21
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 10:25, Wolfgang Rapp wrote: > While in RH7.X and 2.4.18.x RH kernels the linux ABI is includes the > 2.4.20 kernels miss this patch. > Is it intended to add this again? No it's gone permanent. It's not really maintained upstream and gave far more problems than that there are/were users. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: convert kmail to evolution
On Friday 24 January 2003 11:09 pm, Mario Torre wrote: > Subject: Re: convert kmail to evolution > From: Mario Torre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 25 Jan 2003 03:34:43 +0100 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Il sab, 2003-01-25 alle 02:18, ghwbush ha scritto: > > Is there an easy way to convert kmail to evolution? > > If you mean import your mails to evoltion, you can setup evo to get > mails from a maildir directory. You can point evo in the default kmail > directory and let it take all mails for you from that directory. > When I select File > Import, the wizard does not have a selection for maildir (just old evolution or individual file) .. how do I specify maildir? I tried pointing the import wizard toward my ~Mail directory (where the kmail is located) and it imported nothing. I tried pointing the import wizard toward an individual file in my ~Mail directory and it didn' recognize the mail. > You can also copy all you mail in just one folder, and do a cat > path_to_inbox > /var/spool/mail/USER_NAME, and then get the mails from > there (you need to be sure no other process will try to read/write data > to the spool file, though). > How would I bring /var/spool/mail/USER_NAME into evolution .. I don't see it on the import wizard? > Hope that helps, > Mario TIA -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: logrotate lastlog
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Mike Vanecek wrote: > -- Original Message --- > From: Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:14:51 +0100 > Subject: Re: logrotate lastlog > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:25:18 -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: > > > > > The /var/log/lastlog file on my RH 8 install seems to be growing > > > without limit. > > > > Really? How large is it? Run > > > > du -h /var/log/lastlog > > > > to find out. > --- End of Original Message --- > I moved it last night until I had time to check it out. > > [admin@www admin]$ ls -alh /var/log/last* > -r1 root root 143K Jan 24 07:59 /var/log/lastlog > -r1 root root 18M Jan 23 20:22 /var/log/lastlog.1 > > [admin@www admin]$ du -h /var/log/lastlog.1 > 48K /var/log/lastlog.1 > > [admin@www admin]$ du -h /var/log/lastlog > 12K /var/log/lastlog > > Somehow 48K <> 18M and 143K <> 12K; sorta inconsistent? > > Which is correct? Both are :) The lastlog file is full of holes (which don't take actual diskspace at all) due to its file format. Basically it means: - the file's largest offset is at ~18 MB - the real disk space taken by it is 12KB -- - Panu - -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Choosing and changing a window manager
I am interested in shifting away from both GNOME and KDE and trying out a light weight window manager. I have read through the archives and I haven't seen anything that gives me the information (or the confidence) on how I actually get xwindows to bring up fluxbox, say, or icewin. Googling didn't seem to help me, either. Would someone be willing to point me to the information I need to accomplish this? If anyone want to make a suggestion as to a good, light-weight manager, I am all ears. :-) Cheers-- Charles -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Choosing and changing a window manager
Charles wrote: I am interested in shifting away from both GNOME and KDE and trying out a light weight window manager. I have read through the archives and I haven't seen anything that gives me the information (or the confidence) on how I actually get xwindows to bring up fluxbox, say, or icewin. Googling didn't seem to help me, either. Would someone be willing to point me to the information I need to accomplish this? If anyone want to make a suggestion as to a good, light-weight manager, I am all ears. :-) Here is how I switch between Icewm, KDE, and Windowmaker in Red Hat 8.0: First, I boot into runlevel 3 (no GUI) so I can pick which environment I want to use, or maybe none at all. You can set this in /etc/inittab with: id:3:initdefault: Next, I set these aliases in my $HOME/.bashrc: alias x='WM=kde; export WM; startx' alias ice='WM=ice; export WM; startx' alias wm='WM=wmaker; export WM; startx' Finally, I modified my $HOME/.Xclients-default (if you have not run switchdesk, then change your .Xclients) to check value of the $WM environment variable and start the right window manager. # Keith Winston 10.21.2002 # Added code to check for different window managers. The # WM variable is set in .bashrc aliases. if [ $WM == "ice" ]; then gkrellm & xterm -geometry +10+30 & xterm -geometry +350+400 & xscreensaver -no-splash & exec icewm elif [ $WM == "wmaker" ]; then gkrellm & xterm -geometry +85+15 & xterm -geometry +350+400 & xscreensaver -no-splash & exec wmaker else exec startkde fi Note that the programs started in the background (lines that end with &) are not needed. Now, when I want to start Icewm, I just type "ice" at the command prompt, to start WindowMaker, I type "wm", and to start KDE, I type "x". By the way, Icewm is my favorite for speed and flexibility, but you may like something else better. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ We drive on this highway of fire Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: GPL License
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 11:10, Buck wrote: > If I were to develop a product for my own use, would I be required to > distribute it because someone found out I had it and they wanted it? No. > Could I sell services created by a GPL product without distributing the > product? Yes. Furthermore, you can sell the GPL product itself. The GPL does not prevent you from selling software that you create, it only requires that you provide users to whom you sell or otherwise distribute your program with the source code, and the freedom to do anything they like with that program, except deprive other users of those freedoms. > I write a program using GPL products. The program is able to pick the > ten stocks that will go up the most the next trading day. I want to > sell that report to subscribers at the end of every trading day. > > I do NOT want to sell the program that does the calculations. If you're not distributing the software, it doesn't need a license. The GPL license only applies to distribution. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Choosing and changing a window manager
Keith Winston wrote: Charles wrote: I am interested in shifting away from both GNOME and KDE and trying out a light weight window manager. I have read through the archives and I haven't seen anything that gives me the information (or the confidence) on how I actually get xwindows to bring up fluxbox, say, or icewin. Googling didn't seem to help me, either. Would someone be willing to point me to the information I need to accomplish this? If anyone want to make a suggestion as to a good, light-weight manager, I am all ears. :-) Here is how I switch between Icewm, KDE, and Windowmaker in Red Hat 8.0: First, I boot into runlevel 3 (no GUI) so I can pick which environment I want to use, or maybe none at all. You can set this in /etc/inittab with: id:3:initdefault: Next, I set these aliases in my $HOME/.bashrc: alias x='WM=kde; export WM; startx' alias ice='WM=ice; export WM; startx' alias wm='WM=wmaker; export WM; startx' Finally, I modified my $HOME/.Xclients-default (if you have not run switchdesk, then change your .Xclients) to check value of the $WM environment variable and start the right window manager. # Keith Winston 10.21.2002 # Added code to check for different window managers. The # WM variable is set in .bashrc aliases. if [ $WM == "ice" ]; then gkrellm & xterm -geometry +10+30 & xterm -geometry +350+400 & xscreensaver -no-splash & exec icewm elif [ $WM == "wmaker" ]; then gkrellm & xterm -geometry +85+15 & xterm -geometry +350+400 & xscreensaver -no-splash & exec wmaker else exec startkde fi Note that the programs started in the background (lines that end with &) are not needed. Now, when I want to start Icewm, I just type "ice" at the command prompt, to start WindowMaker, I type "wm", and to start KDE, I type "x". By the way, Icewm is my favorite for speed and flexibility, but you may like something else better. Best Regards, Keith Thank you, Kieth. Your information was what I was looking for and more than I expected. I always boot to runlevel 3 (I do admin on an AIX box with no X at all), so I am comfortable there, but receiving the information you provided was great! Thanks again! Cheers-- Charles -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: GPL License
Thank you very much Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Messmer Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPL License On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 11:10, Buck wrote: > If I were to develop a product for my own use, would I be required to > distribute it because someone found out I had it and they wanted it? No. > Could I sell services created by a GPL product without distributing the > product? Yes. Furthermore, you can sell the GPL product itself. The GPL does not prevent you from selling software that you create, it only requires that you provide users to whom you sell or otherwise distribute your program with the source code, and the freedom to do anything they like with that program, except deprive other users of those freedoms. > I write a program using GPL products. The program is able to pick the > ten stocks that will go up the most the next trading day. I want to > sell that report to subscribers at the end of every trading day. > > I do NOT want to sell the program that does the calculations. If you're not distributing the software, it doesn't need a license. The GPL license only applies to distribution. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
What programming languages are available for Linux?
What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? What kind of database programs and languages are available? Thanks Buck -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: GPL License
On Saturday 25 January 2003 11:10 am, Buck wrote: > This might be a little off topic, but I have a question about the GPL > licensing. > > If I were to develop a product for my own use, would I be required to > distribute it because someone found out I had it and they wanted it? No. > Could I sell services created by a GPL product without distributing the > product? Yes. -- Stephen Carville http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only of the front sight. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Minimum Install
HakanTerzioglu wrote: > > If you select Custom Installation , and when the package selection > screen appears at he very end of it , there is Minimal installation > option , it is right below Everything option. > this is true only for Psyche, ( i did not have look at Phoebe) On older versions of Red Hat Linux you needed to deselect everything in the package list. But even this minimal install can be slimmed down, but not by using Red Hat's installer. Go and look at the RULE project's two installers at http://www.rule-project.org/ . Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Minimum Install
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 20:43:06 at 08:43:06PM +0100, Martin Stricker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On older versions of Red Hat Linux you needed to deselect everything in > the package list. > > But even this minimal install can be slimmed down, but not by using Red > Hat's installer. Go and look at the RULE project's two installers at > http://www.rule-project.org/ . > The current, direct URL for the English version is the one in my signature. We recently added also http://www.rule-project.org/de/ with the home page in german (I've got the FAQ translated in german as well, but is not online yet) Ciao, Marco Fioretti -- Marco Fioretti m.fioretti, at the server inwind.it Red Hat for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/en/ Excuse me for being greedy, but I want freedom and good government. Both a flourishing economy and a well-cared-for earth. A society that is diverse and communal.. that offers both privacy and accountability. One that can afford a big conscience, along with lots of neat toys. -- David Brin -- The Transparent Society -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: What programming languages are available for Linux?
Am Sam, 2003-01-25 um 20.34 schrieb Buck: > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? > What kind of database programs and languages are available? For xBase you may check codebase (http://www.codebase.com, some sort of C/C++ library to handle dbase/clipper files) or FlagShip and dbMan (a sort of clipper compiler and a basic dbase implementation, see: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=1083 for a detailed description). There are several Pascal implementations, too, e.g. freepascal and another one I just don't remember. And there is Kylix, the Borland Pascal/Delphi dialekt. There is java available and a very good and powerful ide (www.netbeans.org) And there is a huge number of database programms, most of them are "real" databases (database engines), e.g. mySql (ok, some sort of "real"), postgreSql, Oracle, db2. There are smaller ones, too, search sourceforge for databases. Maybe you can get more specific advice if you tell us some details obout your developement plannings. Peter -- Peter Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Univiversity of Bremen -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Changing where Psyche automounts
Hello! I would like to modify where my CDR and DVD get automounted. Currently it is /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1. I would like to know how to change it to /mnt/cdr and /dev/dvd. Thanks! Andrew -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: What programming languages are available for Linux?
Buck wrote: > > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? > > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? > > What kind of database programs and languages are available? You may want to take a look at some of the scripting languages such as: Tcl/Tk Perl Python The above are all free, although if you want a IDE like Visual Basic those are (in general) not free. If by visual, you meant for writing GUIs, then most languages can do that -- I happen to like Tcl/Tk. -- ++---+ | Gerald W. Lester | "The man who fights for his ideals is | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the man who is alive." -- Cervantes | ++---+ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: What programming languages are available for Linux?
Thanks Peter, I finally found a couple links that gave me ideas about what to search for. I will search for some of the items you mentioned. I should have specified that I was hoping for Open Source or inexpensive products. I don't want to go to Oracle. They once wanted to find me $5000 for not upgrading their $500 package I bought years ago. They are too rich for my blood. I used to program in dBase almost as a second nature. I have never had any luck programming in C. I gave it up years ago due to lack of support and the time it required to learn to do some of the simplest things. I don't really want to learn a whole new language, but if there were one easy enough to learn that had a good visual interface like visual basic I might be interested. If it happens to have a windows version as well, it would be a plus. I guess that saving time in being able to do all the little things I want to do is the important thing, but my budget doesn't permit me to farm out much of the work. Thanks for your response. I will look them up now. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter Boy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What programming languages are available for Linux? Am Sam, 2003-01-25 um 20.34 schrieb Buck: > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? > What kind of database programs and languages are available? For xBase you may check codebase (http://www.codebase.com, some sort of C/C++ library to handle dbase/clipper files) or FlagShip and dbMan (a sort of clipper compiler and a basic dbase implementation, see: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=1083 for a detailed description). There are several Pascal implementations, too, e.g. freepascal and another one I just don't remember. And there is Kylix, the Borland Pascal/Delphi dialekt. There is java available and a very good and powerful ide (www.netbeans.org) And there is a huge number of database programms, most of them are "real" databases (database engines), e.g. mySql (ok, some sort of "real"), postgreSql, Oracle, db2. There are smaller ones, too, search sourceforge for databases. Maybe you can get more specific advice if you tell us some details obout your developement plannings. Peter -- Peter Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Univiversity of Bremen -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: What programming languages are available for Linux?
Thanks Gerald, Yes, what I am looking for is an easy-to-use interface or if not, at least something that is easy to learn and write in that can handle relational databases. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gerald W. Lester Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What programming languages are available for Linux? Buck wrote: > > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? > > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? > > What kind of database programs and languages are available? You may want to take a look at some of the scripting languages such as: Tcl/Tk Perl Python The above are all free, although if you want a IDE like Visual Basic those are (in general) not free. If by visual, you meant for writing GUIs, then most languages can do that -- I happen to like Tcl/Tk. -- ++-- -+ | Gerald W. Lester | "The man who fights for his ideals is | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the man who is alive." -- Cervantes | ++-- -+ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: Changing where Psyche automounts
You should do two things: 1) create/rename folders with desired names (/mnt/cdr ...). 2) edit the lines in /etc/fstab corresponding to the previous folder names (/mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1). Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrew Schott Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:41 To: RedHat 8.0 (Psyche) List Subject: Changing where Psyche automounts Hello! I would like to modify where my CDR and DVD get automounted. Currently it is /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1. I would like to know how to change it to /mnt/cdr and /dev/dvd. Thanks! Andrew -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: What programming languages are available for Linux?
The Visual studio is only an IDE for the c++, et al, programming languages.. red hat has kdevelop. you could download kylix personal edition for free (double check the user agreement, I didn't try it, so I dont know if you need another edition to do comercial apps.). Also check perl. It is great for databases and can be done in windows (I believe). rigo --- Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Gerald, > > Yes, what I am looking for is an easy-to-use > interface or if not, at > least something that is easy to learn and write in > that can handle > relational databases. > > Thanks > > Buck > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On Behalf Of Gerald W. Lester > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What programming languages are > available for Linux? > > Buck wrote: > > > > What kinds of programming languages are available > for Linux? > > > > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or > xBase? > > > > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might > wonder.) > > > > Are there any "visual" type programming languages > for Linux? > > > > What kind of database programs and languages are > available? > > You may want to take a look at some of the scripting > languages such as: > Tcl/Tk > Perl > Python > > The above are all free, although if you want a IDE > like Visual Basic > those are (in general) not free. > > If by visual, you meant for writing GUIs, then most > languages can do > that -- I happen to like Tcl/Tk. > > -- > ++-- > -+ > | Gerald W. Lester | "The man who > fights for his ideals is > | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the man who is > alive." -- Cervantes > | > ++-- > -+ > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Messenger Poppups
Buck writes > > It is obvious from the replies that I am getting that the Linux crowd is > not familiar with the problem. This isn't a put-down, just the bliss of > not having to experience the problem. That's probably because this is a RedHat Linux mailing list. We know what M$ is. Some on this list even have M$ installed somewhere. I Have WinDoz95 on a partition, but have not booted it in a few years. Although I'll confess, I used my roomies WinXP to edit my resume a while back. Here's the thing. The popups are a warning. A warning that you should NOT have your machine exposed to the world like that. WinDoz machines are useless (compared to unix machines) as far as breaking in and doing damage to other systems. But if you have ANYTHING of value on you machine, you should NOT leave it exposed like that. Apearantly you do not have a router. That would be the simplist way to solve your problem. They are cheap. About $40 for what you need. Or as has been discussed on this list many times, why not get a second NIC and let your Linux box do the firewalling for you? -- Jay Crews [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > A new form of spam has emerged through a service automatically installed > and enabled on Microsoft Windows products that allow spammers to > directly attack prospects by popping up dialog-box ads on their screen. > As you will see from the sites I listed below, it gets through anything! > No matter what you are doing on your computer, the ad pops up and stops > your work until you click OK to close the window. > > The statement about the Net Send command is close. Only this is spam > generated from software designed to deliver spam to millions of computer > users. > > Like I said, this isn't to be a negative toward those of you who haven't > experienced it. Maybe the urls below will help you see what I am > referring to. > > > Thanks for all the answers and advice. > > Buck > > http://www.broadcastadvertiser.com/index.htm > http://www.giantcompany.com/sic.aspx > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Oct/gee20021017016848.htm > http://iquebec.ifrance.com/oceansoft/zrppp.htm > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Messenger Popups > > I think what you have happening is that some sweet student is issuing, > from > the command prompt, the command: > > net send > > Students shouldn't have access to RUN, CMD, or the command prompt... > > Jim > > > > > > > _ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Who knows how to use dhcp on external nic AND one alias?
Hello, I've been looking around for some time, and have sent off a couple of email messages to people who have pubished iptable firewall scripts. I've asked all of them the same question: How do I set up an iptables nating/router/firewall with two external ips on my one outside nic also with one alias AND where both use dhcp? I just got one reply back from one iptable scripting author who says it can't be done... It is so easy using static, I can't see how it couldn't be done using dhcp. Any ideas? Thanks, Jim _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: What programming languages are available for Linux?
If you want Windows/Linux Cross Platform development Delphi 7 Pro(Contains Kylix 3). It is a fairly simple RAD to learn. I have learned and I am not a programmer at all. I will only do dbase/xbase/foxpro under the windows version as it has a db engine called dbexpress that accesses postgreSQL and mysql. The Kylix Open Editions do not have database access, you will have to search for an install some of the freebies for it. But it will only have access then for interbase files. Obviously the Enterprise and Professional Versions (commercial) of Delphi/Kylix do have database access. They do not, AFAIK, access MsAccess. If you want lite, MsAccess like, go with ReKall by the Kompany. There is a cost and they have an embedded version for your Zaurus PDA. It will access postgresSQL, xbase, and mysql. It comes in both Linux and Windows versions out of the box. The current version is 1.10. I like it since I am not a programmer, but I like to write my own programs, too, and I use Delphi 6 Pro and Kylix 2 - both commercially purchased version w/database access. I run a home-based business and wrote a program using Delphi/Kylix cross-platform to access data and track orders ( it is still under development for self-use). HTH, Keith B. Rigoberto de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The Visual studio is only an IDE for the c++, et al, >programming languages.. red hat has kdevelop. you >could download kylix personal edition for free (double >check the user agreement, I didn't try it, so I dont >know if you need another edition to do comercial >apps.). Also check perl. It is great for databases and >can be done in windows (I believe). > >rigo > >--- Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks Gerald, >> >> Yes, what I am looking for is an easy-to-use >> interface or if not, at >> least something that is easy to learn and write in >> that can handle >> relational databases. >> >> Thanks >> >> Buck >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> On Behalf Of Gerald W. Lester >> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:50 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: What programming languages are >> available for Linux? >> >> Buck wrote: >> > >> > What kinds of programming languages are available >> for Linux? >> > >> > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or >> xBase? >> > >> > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might >> wonder.) >> > >> > Are there any "visual" type programming languages >> for Linux? >> > >> > What kind of database programs and languages are >> available? >> >> You may want to take a look at some of the scripting >> languages such as: >>  Tcl/Tk >>  Perl >>  Python >> >> The above are all free, although if you want a IDE >> like Visual Basic >> those are (in general) not free. >> >> If by visual, you meant for writing GUIs, then most >> languages can do >> that -- I happen to like Tcl/Tk. >> >> -- >> >++-- >> -+ >> | Gerald W. Lester        | "The man who >> fights for his ideals is >> | >> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]      |  the man who is >> alive." -- Cervantes >> | >> >++-- >> -+ >> >> >> >> -- >> Psyche-list mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Psyche-list mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > >-- >Psyche-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
XFree86 failure - mouse?
Hello.  I am trying to install Linux 8. The system detects all my hardware properly; the only change I make is to the mouse, identifying it as an MS Intellimouse PS/2, which it is.  The X system welcome screen consists of two boxes, one acqua inside one blue, with two buttons labeled with what look like random characters. When I enter my local name and password, I am passed on to another screen; when I hit enter, I come to a virtual console prompt.  When I type startx, I get a message "fatal server error; no screens found."  I am also told that I have encountered fatal error IO, error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests.  And:  XFree86 detected mouse at device /dev/mouse. If the mouse is still not operational do something or other about the protocol.  Could the above symptoms be caused by my changing what the system detects as the mouse?  Charlie   Charles Rignall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.  -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: XFree86 failure - mouse?
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:35, Charles Rignall wrote: Hello. I am trying to install Linux 8. The system detects all my hardware properly; the only change I make is to the mouse, identifying it as an MS Intellimouse PS/2, which it is. The X system welcome screen consists of two boxes, one acqua inside one blue, with two buttons labeled with what look like random characters. When I enter my local name and password, I am passed on to another screen; when I hit enter, I come to a virtual console prompt. When I type startx, I get a message "fatal server error; no screens found." I am also told that I have encountered fatal error IO, error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests. And: XFree86 detected mouse at device /dev/mouse. If the mouse is still not operational do something or other about the protocol. Could the above symptoms be caused by my changing what the system detects as the mouse? The problem there is not related to the mouse, although in RH 8.0 if you chiise intellimouse it does not aooear to aork correctly. I use Generic 3 button mouse for my choice and it works perfectly. Unfortunately I do not know the cause of the problem you describe. I am seeing it as well, but only on the latest Beta version, and not with psyche. Charlie Regards, Eric Burke Charles Rignall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: Messenger Poppups
Jay, I do have a firewall. I learned really quick how to stop the problem. My original question was whether or not Redhat had a similar problem. I have learned that the problem is unique to "windoz". I am new to Linux so I don't know all the ins and outs yet, in fact that's about all I know about Linux right now is how to get in and out, lol. I am giving serious thought to creating a "parallel office" with Linux while I learn about how to use it and what it does. I just might learn enough that I won't need to contribute to the M$ stockholders dividends. Of course, I have a bit of a learning curve to get past my windoz habits. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jay Crews Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Messenger Poppups Buck writes > > It is obvious from the replies that I am getting that the Linux crowd is > not familiar with the problem. This isn't a put-down, just the bliss of > not having to experience the problem. That's probably because this is a RedHat Linux mailing list. We know what M$ is. Some on this list even have M$ installed somewhere. I Have WinDoz95 on a partition, but have not booted it in a few years. Although I'll confess, I used my roomies WinXP to edit my resume a while back. Here's the thing. The popups are a warning. A warning that you should NOT have your machine exposed to the world like that. WinDoz machines are useless (compared to unix machines) as far as breaking in and doing damage to other systems. But if you have ANYTHING of value on you machine, you should NOT leave it exposed like that. Apearantly you do not have a router. That would be the simplist way to solve your problem. They are cheap. About $40 for what you need. Or as has been discussed on this list many times, why not get a second NIC and let your Linux box do the firewalling for you? -- Jay Crews [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > A new form of spam has emerged through a service automatically installed > and enabled on Microsoft Windows products that allow spammers to > directly attack prospects by popping up dialog-box ads on their screen. > As you will see from the sites I listed below, it gets through anything! > No matter what you are doing on your computer, the ad pops up and stops > your work until you click OK to close the window. > > The statement about the Net Send command is close. Only this is spam > generated from software designed to deliver spam to millions of computer > users. > > Like I said, this isn't to be a negative toward those of you who haven't > experienced it. Maybe the urls below will help you see what I am > referring to. > > > Thanks for all the answers and advice. > > Buck > > http://www.broadcastadvertiser.com/index.htm > http://www.giantcompany.com/sic.aspx > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Oct/gee20021017016848.htm > http://iquebec.ifrance.com/oceansoft/zrppp.htm > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Messenger Popups > > I think what you have happening is that some sweet student is issuing, > from > the command prompt, the command: > > net send > > Students shouldn't have access to RUN, CMD, or the command prompt... > > Jim > > > > > > > _ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Power off....
Rigoberto de la Cruz wrote: > > I have a D845PESV (intel) mother board. I'm having > problems making redhat turn off the computer. anyone > knows how to make it work? More information please: How do you try to poweroff the computer? What does the computer do, and what do you expect it to do? Do you have APM or ACPI enabled? These can interfere with the auto-poweroff feature of your motherboard and power supply (both need to conform to the ATX standard to provide auto-poweroff). Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: about Squid
hicham linux wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I recently learned that squid can speed up web client > browsing, > I am trying to use squid as cache and proxy server, > I've looked at the doc how to make squid communicate > with mozilla, in the Options menu : Manual Proxy > Configuration: > it says to put the Squid server's hostname or IP > address and put the HTTP port number for the Squid > server (by default, 3128) in the Port column. > but no connection at all thru squid > is the Squid server's hostname means the machine's > hostname ? Yes, it means the hostname of the computer where squid runs on. To further speed up things, you should use the IP address instead of the hostname, because the hostname needs to be resolved through DNS into the IP address. Do you have a DNS server running and properly configured? What happens if you type these commands at a command prompt of the computer you want to use Mozilla on? whois telnet telnet telnet Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
MySQL IDE and Language (long)
I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I spent all of this afternoon looking them up and doing searches on the internet. I was leaning towards the xBase languages since I am so familiar with the code. I have decided, instead, to use MySQL for a database engine. It appears to be big enough to handle anything I can create and it is apparently the most popular database in Linux. According to MySQL.com, MySQL is compatible with Oracle in speed. What I am looking for now is an open source RAD or IDE that will help me develop the user interface. An acronym, LAMP stands for Linux, Apache Server, MySQL and one of either PHP, Perl or Python. I thought PHP and Perl were html languages, but I guess they are a lot more than that. I believe someone has also suggested Java. I'll have to decide on a language. I didn't do too well when I tried to learn C over a decade ago. I am wondering with all its popularity, if I shouldn't learn one of the internet's languages such as Jave, Perl or PHP. I believe my decision will hinge on a balance of these things: A Popularity B Support C Power D Flexibility E Development speed and ease F Ease of learning G Execution speed H Ease of Debugging (these are in no particular order) Some of you may know other languages that fit my requirements. If you do, I appreciate your input and I'll look up your suggestions. Thank you for taking time to read this long post. I appreciate all your inputs. Buck -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Excellent signature
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:47, jdow wrote: > From: "Craig White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 18:09, jdow wrote: > > > From: "Guy Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Some people actualy get mail from sources outside of these lists for > work. > > > > > > There IS an advantage to gray hair. I get to play Palace Guru to the > company > > > masses. For email I strongly recommend to management that documents > should > > > be zipped and attached that way rather than sent as the actual messages. > It > > > gives better email safety since it allows you to setup a filter that > looks > > > for RTF and DOC and other formats - and corrupt the messages so they do > not > > > get displayed or worse RUN. No viruses seem to get through that. > Fetchmail-> > > > Procmail=>SpamAssassin->other filters->mailbox is a powerful tool for > the > > > filtering operations. > > > > > -- > > OK - for my higher learning, I have never heard of this being done > > before. Is there a link that describes how/when this could possibly > > happen? > > Which this? There were several in that message you quote. Automatically > spreading viruses is possible with html email. Many email readers preview > the email and at that time open all the attachments for proper display. If > everything is in a zip file then there is nothing that will get > automatically > opened and executed. That makes abominations like Outlook safer. The bozoid > user has to actually open the zip file and then manually execute before > there > is a danger from a virus. There's no danger during reading mail when a next > message that used to contain a virus, something not .zip encapsulated, is > previewed after it is massaged so that the html does not translate. That is > what I referred to at the end. You can easily 'destroy' mime encapsulation. > (Personally I prefer that method as it strongly encourages zip attachments > rather than inline anything. It is "theoretically possible" to take the > elements of a mimed message and repackage them into a zip, remime the > message > and place it in a mailbox. It might be worth someone's effort to do this.) --- Sorry, I thought what you were saying was that someone would enclose say a word document and it would get infected in route, that being the reason that it was better to zip the file. If the file weren't infected with a virus, it would make no difference if it were zipped or not. If it were infected with a virus, it wouldn't make a difference to the email application either. The only time the Microsoft mail products were vulnerable is when a self executing script were attached. Microsoft actually has had patches to stop this behavior for years, likewise, the anti-virus programs 'if up-to-date' should stop this behavior. The Microsoft Mail programs now (finally) ship with this behavior stopped by default. I don't mean to get into a discussion of Windows mail client and virus behaviors on this forum. From your last message, a bozoid user is gonna get infected by a virus whether via email or zipped attachment so I see little difference. I thought that you were going to educate me on some newer method of transmitting virii via email but I see now that you are talking about activity that was typical 2 or more years ago that should be arrested by other methods. Craig -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: php/sendmail/apache/linux...(oops)
I'm running stock RH 8.0 (fully up2date). Has PHP version 4.2.2-8.0.5 I can't help you with sendmail... I never understood the configuration... went with postfix instead. At 08:23 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, you wrote: Doug... Since this appears to be a Sendmail config issue... Can you tell me the RPMs you have for Sendmail and for PHP?? I'd be interested to compare what I have... thanks... bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brucks Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: php/sendmail/apache/linux...(oops) When I pasted your code from the email... got some strange characters in the paste. When I deleted them, I also deleted the '.' in front of the "Reply-To causing the parse error. Works fine as is on my machine. Sorry for the waisted bandwidth. At 09:57 PM 1/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I inserted the code you supplied (substituted my email address for yours) >between tags in a plain html page and ran it. > >I got a parse error on: > >$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n" > ."Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; > >I changed that to: > >$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\nReply-To: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; > >and it ran just fine (not as pretty, but it worked). > >Doug > > >At 12:47 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>hey... >> >>I'm sure the question has been answered a 1000 times!!! I'm trying to create >>a simple app to send email via PHP, using the "mail" function. >> >>I'm using RedHat(Linux 8.0 , Sendmail), PHP(4.2.2), Apache (2.0.40). >> >>I'm using the following piece of code: >> >>== = >>//test mail >>$to = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; >>$subject = "savannah registration"; >>$message = " testing mail"; >>$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n" >> ."Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; >> >>echo" >> to = " . $to . ""; >> >>echo" >> subject = " . $subject . ""; >> >>echo" >> msg = " . $message . ""; >> >>echo" >> reply = " . $reply . ""; >> >> $q1 = mail($to, $subject, $message, $reply); >>echo" >> return val = " . $q1 . ""; >> >>== == >>=== >> >>Pretty simple eh... The problem that I have is that the mail doesn't appear >>to get sent. When I look in the /var/spool/clientmqueue directory, I see a >>great deal of what look to be error msgs They appear to be telling me >>that the mail couldn't be delivered, but I can't tell why >> >>I was able to successfully send a test msg via Sendmail from the command >>line by telnet. So I know the Sendmail engine/daemon seems to be >>performing... The PHP.ini file appears to be setup correctly, with the >>sendmail_path pointing to sendamil. >> >>Any ideas as to what I need to do, or should be checking >> >>Any pointers/assistance would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >>Thanks >> >>-Bruce >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Psyche-list mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > >-- >Psyche-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: Messenger Poppups
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 15:00, Buck wrote: > I do have a firewall. I learned really quick how to stop the problem. > My original question was whether or not Redhat had a similar problem. I > have learned that the problem is unique to "windoz". > It occurred to me later that a useful piece of advise would be to look at what your machine is listening to using "netstat". Netstat is available in both Windows and Unix, though Linux's version provides a great deal more information than the standard BSD one (which is basically what you get with NT). Under Linux, one useful invocation is: netstat -tulnp This lists the (t)cp sockets and (u)dp sockets which are (l)istening, in (n)umeric format, and the (p)rogram that has the socket open. If a service is listening on 0.0.0.0, it's available to the world at large (unless firewall rules prevent it). On a normal desktop, which you don't need to access remotely, you can probably disable all listening services. The "p" option should help you figure out what services should be disabled. NT won't give you quite as much information, notably not the program listening to the socket. You might be able to find additional software that can give you that information, though. The problem that you were seeing is a result of NT's default setup listening to ports that it shouldn't on the internet in general. If a machine (NT or Unix) isn't listening to input from the network, there's a great deal less the network can do to it. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Buck wrote: I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I spent all of this afternoon looking them up and doing searches on the internet. I was leaning towards the xBase languages since I am so familiar with the code. I have decided, instead, to use MySQL for a database engine. It appears to be big enough to handle anything I can create and it is apparently the most popular database in Linux. According to MySQL.com, MySQL is compatible with Oracle in speed. What I am looking for now is an open source RAD or IDE that will help me develop the user interface. An acronym, LAMP stands for Linux, Apache Server, MySQL and one of either PHP, Perl or Python. I thought PHP and Perl were html languages, but I guess they are a lot more than that. I believe someone has also suggested Java. I'll have to decide on a language. I didn't do too well when I tried to learn C over a decade ago. I am wondering with all its popularity, if I shouldn't learn one of the internet's languages such as Jave, Perl or PHP. I believe my decision will hinge on a balance of these things: A Popularity B Support C Power D Flexibility E Development speed and ease F Ease of learning G Execution speed H Ease of Debugging (these are in no particular order) Some of you may know other languages that fit my requirements. If you do, I appreciate your input and I'll look up your suggestions. Thank you for taking time to read this long post. I appreciate all your inputs. 1. Download kylix [2 OE preferably], zeos, freeclx, indy, dbControls; 2. install all of them; 3. read the manual for an hour, specifically about the database; 4. do what the manual tells you to do. By tomorrow you'll come here again saying you've solved your "problem". jd Buck -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: What programming languages are available for Linux?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want Windows/Linux Cross Platform development Delphi 7 Pro(Contains Kylix 3). It is a fairly simple RAD to learn. I have learned and I am not a programmer at all. I will only do dbase/xbase/foxpro under the windows version as it has a db engine called dbexpress that accesses postgreSQL and mysql. The Kylix Open Editions do not have database access, you will have to search for an install some of the freebies for it. But it will only have access then for interbase files. Obviously the Enterprise and Professional Versions (commercial) of Delphi/Kylix do have database access. They do not, AFAIK, access MsAccess. If you want lite, MsAccess like, go with ReKall by the Kompany. There is a cost and they have an embedded version for your Zaurus PDA. It will access postgresSQL, xbase, and mysql. It comes in both Linux and Windows versions out of the box. The current version is 1.10. I like it since I am not a programmer, but I like to write my own programs, too, and I use Delphi 6 Pro and Kylix 2 - both commercially purchased version w/database access. I run a home-based business and wrote a program using Delphi/Kylix cross-platform to access data and track orders ( it is still under development for self-use). Use freeclx, dbControls, zeos for database in Kylix OE. There are some few bugs, but it works okey once you can handle it. So, the database problem in Kylix OE is solved. You can even install indy for server programming. Delphi7 cannot compile clx for linux, so we still need to have Kylix to compile what Delphi writes. But I wonder, how big is the project actually? If it's only for our personal usage..., really!..., kylix2 OE can already do a lot of stuff for us. If one can use it well, it does do a lot of thing nicely like we do with VB6 in Windows. It's easy to program, fast, and there are plenty of example out there that we can learn from as well as just copy/paste to our personal software. BTW..., wine can already run vb6! Check out it from www.winehq.com. If you have some simple VB apps that doesn't do a complicated system call, try to compile it in Windows and wine it in Linux. Most probably that will work! JD HTH, Keith B. Rigoberto de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
mail messages....
Hey... New to RH Linux. I have RH 8.0, with Sendmail installed. I keep getting msgs that say I have mail. When I go into the "mail" application, I delete the mail. The mail is being continually sent by Sendmail and can't be sent because I had earlier misconfigured Sendmail. For now, I'd like to know how I can stop Sendmail from trying to resend these msgs Is there some queue that I should remove the msgs from? Basically, what do I have to do to stop Sendmail/mail from trying to resend these msgs I'm getting rather tired of continually deleting them from the mail application!! thanks Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 15:59, Buck wrote: > I was leaning towards the xBase languages since I am so familiar with > the code. I have decided, instead, to use MySQL for a database engine. > It appears to be big enough to handle anything I can create and it is > apparently the most popular database in Linux. According to MySQL.com, > MySQL is compatible with Oracle in speed. Popular it is, but Oracle it is not. MySQL is fine for very small things, but I recommend PostgreSQL instead. In large part, I recommend that because PostgreSQL has a much more complete set of the SQL 92 spec than MySQL. Reflecting that, MySQL's documentation often uses non-ANSI standard constructs, even when MySQL supports the ANSI standard method. This leads to a lot of SQL code that doesn't port easily to other SQL servers. You might want to lay hands on O'Reily's "SQL in a Nutshell". It's pretty inexpensive, and it documents the ANSI standard, and several SQL servers implementations/deviations. As for speed: MySQL is fast for very small things. It's query compiler isn't as good as Oracle's or PostgreSQL's, so you tend to find that people doing complex projects get much better performance from PostgreSQL. > I thought PHP and Perl were html languages, but I guess they are a lot > more than that. I believe someone has also suggested Java. I'll have > to decide on a language. ... > I believe my decision will hinge on a balance of these things: > A Popularity > B Support > C Power > D Flexibility > E Development speed and ease > F Ease of learning > G Execution speed > H Ease of Debugging Java is probably going to come out on top. It's a clear winner on several criteria. For DB programming, you'll want JDBC. There are a number of IDE's available, including NetBeans from Sun, and the newer Eclipse from IBM. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: php/sendmail/apache/linux...(oops)
Aha!!! Thanks to all who tried to help with the Sendmail/Php issues After lots of frustration.. If you're going to use Sendmail, it appears that you need to have a couple of RPMs installed the regular Sendmail and the Sendmail-cf RPM. You may also have to modiy the following files in the /etc/mail directory" sendmail.mc access However, from what I've seen be careful. Basically you need to be sure that your DNS/IP addresses match correctly and that the config files match your situation. My network is behind a router using a cable modem.. So it wasn't a PHP issue, but a Sendmail config issue.. Thanks Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brucks Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: php/sendmail/apache/linux...(oops) I'm running stock RH 8.0 (fully up2date). Has PHP version 4.2.2-8.0.5 I can't help you with sendmail... I never understood the configuration... went with postfix instead. At 08:23 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Doug... > >Since this appears to be a Sendmail config issue... Can you tell me the RPMs >you have for Sendmail and for PHP?? I'd be interested to compare what I >have... > >thanks... > >bruce > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brucks >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:17 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: php/sendmail/apache/linux...(oops) > > >When I pasted your code from the email... got some strange characters in >the paste. When I deleted them, I also deleted the '.' in front of the >"Reply-To causing the parse error. Works fine as is on my >machine. Sorry for the waisted bandwidth. > >At 09:57 PM 1/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >I inserted the code you supplied (substituted my email address for yours) > >between tags in a plain html page and ran it. > > > >I got a parse error on: > > > >$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n" > > ."Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; > > > >I changed that to: > > > >$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\nReply-To: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; > > > >and it ran just fine (not as pretty, but it worked). > > > >Doug > > > > > >At 12:47 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >>hey... > >> > >>I'm sure the question has been answered a 1000 times!!! I'm trying to >create > >>a simple app to send email via PHP, using the "mail" function. > >> > >>I'm using RedHat(Linux 8.0 , Sendmail), PHP(4.2.2), Apache (2.0.40). > >> > >>I'm using the following piece of code: > >> > >>== >= > >>//test mail > >>$to = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; > >>$subject = "savannah registration"; > >>$message = " testing mail"; > >>$reply = "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n" > >> ."Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n"; > >> > >>echo" > >> to = " . $to . ""; > >> > >>echo" > >> subject = " . $subject . ""; > >> > >>echo" > >> msg = " . $message . ""; > >> > >>echo" > >> reply = " . $reply . ""; > >> > >> $q1 = mail($to, $subject, $message, $reply); > >>echo" > >> return val = " . $q1 . ""; > >> > >>== >== > >>=== > >> > >>Pretty simple eh... The problem that I have is that the mail doesn't >appear > >>to get sent. When I look in the /var/spool/clientmqueue directory, I see a > >>great deal of what look to be error msgs They appear to be telling me > >>that the mail couldn't be delivered, but I can't tell why > >> > >>I was able to successfully send a test msg via Sendmail from the command > >>line by telnet. So I know the Sendmail engine/daemon seems to be > >>performing... The PHP.ini file appears to be setup correctly, with the > >>sendmail_path pointing to sendamil. > >> > >>Any ideas as to what I need to do, or should be checking > >> > >>Any pointers/assistance would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>-Bruce > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Psyche-list mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Psyche-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > > >-- >Psyche-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list > > > >-- >Psyche-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: What programming languages are available for Linux?
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:49:47PM -0600, Gerald W. Lester wrote: > Buck wrote: > > > > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? > > > > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > > > > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > > > > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? > > > > What kind of database programs and languages are available? > > You may want to take a look at some of the scripting languages such as: > Tcl/Tk > Perl > Python > > The above are all free, although if you want a IDE like Visual Basic > those are (in general) not free. > > If by visual, you meant for writing GUIs, then most languages can do > that -- I happen to like Tcl/Tk. There is also fortran 77 - man f77 --- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University 715 Stadium Dr. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Mail Solution Please|here is the problem
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 00:07, Bala murugan wrote: > Now my user wants to download mails to his inbox say outlook express as > client. but they are protected from firewall. they can't go directly to mail > server. We have put one Proxy server (RH8.0) for internet browsing. I would > like to use this server for mail solution also. Add IP Masquerading to the proxy server. There's no shortage of information, from the official site's documentation: http://www.netfilter.org/ to my own scripts: http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/firewalls/ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: logrotate lastlog
-- Original Message --- From: Panu Matilainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:53:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: logrotate lastlog > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Mike Vanecek wrote: > > > -- Original Message --- > > From: Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:14:51 +0100 > > Subject: Re: logrotate lastlog > > > > I moved it last night until I had time to check it out. > > > > [admin@www admin]$ ls -alh /var/log/last* > > -r1 root root 143K Jan 24 07:59 /var/log/lastlog > > -r1 root root 18M Jan 23 20:22 /var/log/lastlog.1 > > > > [admin@www admin]$ du -h /var/log/lastlog.1 > > 48K /var/log/lastlog.1 > > > > [admin@www admin]$ du -h /var/log/lastlog > > 12K /var/log/lastlog > > > > Somehow 48K <> 18M and 143K <> 12K; sorta inconsistent? > > > > Which is correct? > > Both are :) The lastlog file is full of holes (which don't take actual > diskspace at all) due to its file format. Basically it means: > - the file's largest offset is at ~18 MB > - the real disk space taken by it is 12KB > --- End of Original Message --- My thanks to both you and Michael. I have read tons of manuals and installed many versions of RH and never knew that. Very nice to know! Mike. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Mozilla 1.2.1
-- Original Message --- From: Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RedHat 8.0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 25 Jan 2003 07:45:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.2.1 > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 05:54, Marek wrote: > > Hi > > > > Anyone expierenced problems with mozilla crashing after entering a url > > and hitting enter ? Thought it was Squid but disabled it and the same > > problem. > > I had a similar problem, and it turned out that I didn't have Java > installed. The plugin was there, but the JRE was missing. After I > installed the JRE and reinstalled the plugin, life was good. > > The way I figured it out was to run Mozilla from the command line, and > watch the error messages that came out just before it crashed. --- End of Original Message --- Does anything special need to be set to run Mozilla from the command line (environmental variables, etc.)? Do you just open a terminal and type mozilla? I had some problems with 1.0.1 and 1.2.1 and finally gave up and installed 1.3a which helped. I would like to have been more conversant in the means of seeing what was happening. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: What programming languages are available for Linux?
Thanks for your reply, JD, I am trying to find software to program Linux for my own personal projects.I prefer some form of public license such as gpl. Visual Basic won't run on Linux, so I am looking for something I can use. I am hoping for something that allows me to create desktop applications, but if it happens that I can use one for desktop and it creates web pages, that's fine too. Depending on the execution speed and programming time, I would not mind one that only runs in a web browser, but I prefer to have non-browser windows at my option. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What programming languages are available for Linux? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >If you want Windows/Linux Cross Platform development Delphi 7 Pro(Contains >Kylix 3). It is a fairly simple RAD to learn. I have learned and I am not >a programmer at all. I will only do dbase/xbase/foxpro under the windows >version as it has a db engine called dbexpress that accesses postgreSQL and mysql. The Kylix Open Editions do not have database access, you will have to search for an install some of the freebies for it. But it will only have access then for interbase files. Obviously the Enterprise and Professional Versions (commercial) of Delphi/Kylix do have database access. They do not, AFAIK, access MsAccess. > >If you want lite, MsAccess like, go with ReKall by the Kompany. There is a cost and they have an embedded version for your Zaurus PDA. It will access postgresSQL, xbase, and mysql. It comes in both Linux and Windows versions out of the box. The current version is 1.10. I like it since I >am not a programmer, but I like to write my own programs, too, and I use >Delphi 6 Pro and Kylix 2 - both commercially purchased version w/database access. I run a home-based business and wrote a program using Delphi/Kylix >cross-platform to access data and track orders ( it is still under development for self-use). > Use freeclx, dbControls, zeos for database in Kylix OE. There are some few bugs, but it works okey once you can handle it. So, the database problem in Kylix OE is solved. You can even install indy for server programming. Delphi7 cannot compile clx for linux, so we still need to have Kylix to compile what Delphi writes. But I wonder, how big is the project actually? If it's only for our personal usage..., really!..., kylix2 OE can already do a lot of stuff for us. If one can use it well, it does do a lot of thing nicely like we do with VB6 in Windows. It's easy to program, fast, and there are plenty of example out there that we can learn from as well as just copy/paste to our personal software. BTW..., wine can already run vb6! Check out it from www.winehq.com. If you have some simple VB apps that doesn't do a complicated system call, try to compile it in Windows and wine it in Linux. Most probably that will work! JD >HTH, > >Keith B. >Rigoberto de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Thanks you, Gordon I didn't see anything that compared the two, but I did see postgresql. It is an install option on RedHat as well. One database I have in mind is going to be pretty serious. I will need to accommodate over 1 million records in one table alone, not to account for the related tables. Other projects will be on-line projects connected to a web page. How difficult would it be to learn and use mysql for small projects once I have a handle on postgre? Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Messmer Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long) On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 15:59, Buck wrote: > I was leaning towards the xBase languages since I am so familiar with > the code. I have decided, instead, to use MySQL for a database engine. > It appears to be big enough to handle anything I can create and it is > apparently the most popular database in Linux. According to MySQL.com, > MySQL is compatible with Oracle in speed. Popular it is, but Oracle it is not. MySQL is fine for very small things, but I recommend PostgreSQL instead. In large part, I recommend that because PostgreSQL has a much more complete set of the SQL 92 spec than MySQL. Reflecting that, MySQL's documentation often uses non-ANSI standard constructs, even when MySQL supports the ANSI standard method. This leads to a lot of SQL code that doesn't port easily to other SQL servers. You might want to lay hands on O'Reily's "SQL in a Nutshell". It's pretty inexpensive, and it documents the ANSI standard, and several SQL servers implementations/deviations. As for speed: MySQL is fast for very small things. It's query compiler isn't as good as Oracle's or PostgreSQL's, so you tend to find that people doing complex projects get much better performance from PostgreSQL. > I thought PHP and Perl were html languages, but I guess they are a lot > more than that. I believe someone has also suggested Java. I'll have > to decide on a language. ... > I believe my decision will hinge on a balance of these things: > A Popularity > B Support > C Power > D Flexibility > E Development speed and ease > F Ease of learning > G Execution speed > H Ease of Debugging Java is probably going to come out on top. It's a clear winner on several criteria. For DB programming, you'll want JDBC. There are a number of IDE's available, including NetBeans from Sun, and the newer Eclipse from IBM. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Wine and wineconsole
I have a windoze 16bit server application sucessfully running on RH8 under wine. It works beautifully. Everytime that I start the app, however, I have to have X up and running so that wine can create - what for all intents and purposes - looks like a dos window to run the app in. Is there any way of telling wine to use the current console session for output, and avoid having to start, or even install X on the box? I appreaciate any comments, suggestions or the like. Thank you all in advance. Will -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Mozilla 1.2.1
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:25, Mike Vanecek wrote: > -- Original Message --- > From: Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RedHat 8.0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 25 Jan 2003 07:45:48 -0600 > Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.2.1 > > I had a similar problem, and it turned out that I didn't have Java > > installed. The plugin was there, but the JRE was missing. After I > > installed the JRE and reinstalled the plugin, life was good. > > > > The way I figured it out was to run Mozilla from the command line, and > > watch the error messages that came out just before it crashed. > --- End of Original Message --- > > Does anything special need to be set to run Mozilla from the command line > (environmental variables, etc.)? Do you just open a terminal and type mozilla? > > I had some problems with 1.0.1 and 1.2.1 and finally gave up and installed > 1.3a which helped. I would like to have been more conversant in the means of > seeing what was happening. No, I didn't need to do anything special. There is a debugger facility called 'trace', but I have never used it and don't know anything about it. But for normal programs, if you run them from the command line then they will generally print their errors out to a virtual terminal called stderr. And if no stderr has been set, then they go out to the stdout terminal, which is the terminal you are running the program from. Hope this makes sense. I'm not much of a Unix programmer, so I can't really tell you much beyond this. Maybe someone else has some input or correction? Dave signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 18:44, Buck wrote: > How difficult would it be to learn and use mysql for small projects once > I have a handle on postgre? Not terribly. If what you know is ANSI SQL, you should be able to write code that'll work in both. MySQL's management is somewhat different, but there are GUI front ends available for managing both servers. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Thanks again, Gordon, If there is no big problem moving a program written on postgre to mysql, I have no problem. The website hosts of Linux web sites seem to install mysql instead of postgre. Thanks. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Messmer Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long) On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 18:44, Buck wrote: > How difficult would it be to learn and use mysql for small projects once > I have a handle on postgre? Not terribly. If what you know is ANSI SQL, you should be able to write code that'll work in both. MySQL's management is somewhat different, but there are GUI front ends available for managing both servers. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Choosing and changing a window manager
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:32, Keith Winston wrote: > > If anyone want to make a suggestion as to a good, light-weight manager, > > I am all ears. :-) > > Here is how I switch between Icewm, KDE, and Windowmaker in Red Hat 8.0: Why not use the switchdesk utility that's already bundled with RH? > By the way, Icewm is my favorite for speed and flexibility, but you may > like something else better. Xfce is also a very good choice. -- "Khamaaa, Ham, HA!" -- Goku, 'Dragon Ball' signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Buck wrote: What do you think of version 3 open source version? 1. Size is too big. The tar file of K2 OE is less than 40MB, compiled for +/- 101MB; K3 OE is +/- 90MB, compiled for +/- 180MB. 2. I don't need C++. Or if I need one, then gcc is far a much much better tool, either for learning the language or for its power. Samples, templates, proven codes of working programs, these are all available for gcc. 3. I just do coding for my personal things, for organizing my own libraries for music, mp3, ebooks, and the like. That is the most complicated programs that I have ever made for myself...:) But after all..., I don't think I have a complicated life to be organized by a software...:) [lol] 4. So, for that simple, direct and personal purpose; K2 OE is already more than a blessing for me. Anyway, are you new to Linux? Then my advice is: don't get lost, trapped or get busy more in choosing the things rather than really start to use it. Linux is really a colorful world of choices. The choices in OpenSource is much bigger than the biggest American supermarket. In this sense, we really have to know what we need and choose one of the tools and just stick to it. Being realistic is kind of important. Like the choices of editors that Linux/OpenSource has, we have gedit, kedit, kate, vi, emacs, tons of flavours for emacs, tons of flavours for vi..., but how many do we need? Just one, isn't it? So, I stick only to kate and vi for the konsole. I don't say that emacs is bad or less interesting; but I don't need it. So, I just get rid of those that I don't need. And I just don't bother to know that as well. Maybe next time if I have time. Then for multimedia. We have gqmpeg, xmms, grip, sox and still tons of other softwares. Too much to choose, so I just use mpg321 and xmms. Then the browsers, mozilla, opera, lynx, konqueror, galeon..., how many do we need? I stick to mozilla [because the code can be played around] and lynx for the terminal. Scripting language is the same. I just stick to ruby and shell, but out there there are still phyton, perl, bash, even basic is also supported in Linux!, not to mention javascript, java. Too many choices are bad for our health..., so I just stick to one and, not ignore, but uninstall that I don't need. So, if you're completely new to Linux, do enjoy your current experience in this jungle of choices like Alice...:) But, move fast and just stick to one that you think can best serve your need. I think it's good to have 1 software with a UI and 1 without UI for konsole use. Then spend minimum a six-months period to really just use these tools that you have chosen. Join its mailing list and really learn to use it to your benefit. That way OpenSource will serve your computing need better. JD Buck -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: What programming languages are available for Linux?
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:34, Buck wrote: > What kinds of programming languages are available for Linux? All of them. > I know about C, but what about BASIC, Pascal, or xBase? > (xBase is dBase compatible code to those who might wonder.) > Are there any "visual" type programming languages for Linux? Yes. > What kind of database programs and languages are available? All of them. Go to http://freshmeat.net to start off. -- "Khamaaa, Ham, HA!" -- Goku, 'Dragon Ball' signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Messenger Poppups
On Saturday 25 January 2003 01:49 pm, Jay Crews wrote: > Buck writes > > > > It is obvious from the replies that I am getting that the Linux crowd is > > not familiar with the problem. This isn't a put-down, just the bliss of > > not having to experience the problem. > > That's probably because this is a RedHat Linux mailing list. > We know what M$ is. Some on this list even have M$ installed > somewhere. I Have WinDoz95 on a partition, but have not booted it > in a few years. Although I'll confess, I used my roomies WinXP to > edit my resume a while back. I have a 4 G partition on my laptop with XP Hime on it but I only boot it to test stuff. Curiously, as I was reading your message I had XP booted to test a Perl script that uses Samba tools to sends out popup messages to Windows boxen! -- Stephen Carville http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only of the front sight. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
JD, Thanks for the answers. Am I new to Linux? No, not any more. I am past learning how to boot the computer and before I leave tonight I will have learned how to shut it down. ;) Actually, I am still trying to learn the most basic of the basics still. I have my little notebook and I am learning something, doing it, writing it down and re-doing it so I can learn to do it more than once. I have learned that in the computer world, life is much easier if one follows the path of the more supported, popular products in which one can get help. That's why I bombed out on learning C. I would try a segment of code, need help and it took over two weeks to learn how to send a "hello world" to the printer. Back then, that was a generic dot=matrix printer. Cable modem and email lists have radically reduced the time it takes to get support, not to mention the number of products available. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking for something to use, and I don't want to spend a lot of time spinning my wheels when I get something either. So for those reasons, I ask questions. I want to find something powerful enough to use for whatever I do and popular enough for me to have little or no trouble finding support when I need it. I have a bunch of little projects in mind but I also have one very major project ahead of me. It will involve a multi-user database that can handle dozens of simultaneous users and over a million records in one table not counting the related tables. As for the extra products, you think like me, get rid of them! I always wanted to do that with m$, but it becomes disastrous to try! Thanks for the input. I will take it to heart. I am asking now even though I am not ready to start using the programs because I have time to sort through the answers and make my choice when I am ready to do something. As for installing the programs... I haven't learned how yet. Thanks again Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long) Buck wrote: >What do you think of version 3 open source version? > > 1. Size is too big. The tar file of K2 OE is less than 40MB, compiled for +/- 101MB; K3 OE is +/- 90MB, compiled for +/- 180MB. 2. I don't need C++. Or if I need one, then gcc is far a much much better tool, either for learning the language or for its power. Samples, templates, proven codes of working programs, these are all available for gcc. 3. I just do coding for my personal things, for organizing my own libraries for music, mp3, ebooks, and the like. That is the most complicated programs that I have ever made for myself...:) But after all..., I don't think I have a complicated life to be organized by a software...:) [lol] 4. So, for that simple, direct and personal purpose; K2 OE is already more than a blessing for me. Anyway, are you new to Linux? Then my advice is: don't get lost, trapped or get busy more in choosing the things rather than really start to use it. Linux is really a colorful world of choices. The choices in OpenSource is much bigger than the biggest American supermarket. In this sense, we really have to know what we need and choose one of the tools and just stick to it. Being realistic is kind of important. Like the choices of editors that Linux/OpenSource has, we have gedit, kedit, kate, vi, emacs, tons of flavours for emacs, tons of flavours for vi..., but how many do we need? Just one, isn't it? So, I stick only to kate and vi for the konsole. I don't say that emacs is bad or less interesting; but I don't need it. So, I just get rid of those that I don't need. And I just don't bother to know that as well. Maybe next time if I have time. Then for multimedia. We have gqmpeg, xmms, grip, sox and still tons of other softwares. Too much to choose, so I just use mpg321 and xmms. Then the browsers, mozilla, opera, lynx, konqueror, galeon..., how many do we need? I stick to mozilla [because the code can be played around] and lynx for the terminal. Scripting language is the same. I just stick to ruby and shell, but out there there are still phyton, perl, bash, even basic is also supported in Linux!, not to mention javascript, java. Too many choices are bad for our health..., so I just stick to one and, not ignore, but uninstall that I don't need. So, if you're completely new to Linux, do enjoy your current experience in this jungle of choices like Alice...:) But, move fast and just stick to one that you think can best serve your need. I think it's good to have 1 software with a UI and 1 without UI for konsole use. Then spend minimum a six-months period to really just use these tools that you have chosen. Join its mailing list and really learn to use it to your benefit. That way OpenSource will serve your computing need better. JD >Buck > -- Psyche-list mailing lis
RE: Messenger Poppups
Hmm, you may have something theresome of the software the is creating these popups is selling for $700 plus! Good luck Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen Carville Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Messenger Poppups On Saturday 25 January 2003 01:49 pm, Jay Crews wrote: > Buck writes > > > > It is obvious from the replies that I am getting that the Linux crowd is > > not familiar with the problem. This isn't a put-down, just the bliss of > > not having to experience the problem. > > That's probably because this is a RedHat Linux mailing list. > We know what M$ is. Some on this list even have M$ installed > somewhere. I Have WinDoz95 on a partition, but have not booted it > in a few years. Although I'll confess, I used my roomies WinXP to > edit my resume a while back. I have a 4 G partition on my laptop with XP Hime on it but I only boot it to test stuff. Curiously, as I was reading your message I had XP booted to test a Perl script that uses Samba tools to sends out popup messages to Windows boxen! -- Stephen Carville http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only of the front sight. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:13, Buck wrote: > Thanks again, Gordon, > > If there is no big problem moving a program written on postgre to mysql, > I have no problem. The website hosts of Linux web sites seem to install > mysql instead of postgre. JDBC should make it fairly easy to test against both databases. If you must deploy on MySQL, because that's your only option, you're probably best off developing on that. If you have your own way, I recommend developing on PostgreSQL. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Gordon, What is JDBC? I keep finding a driver. Is that what I am looking for? Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Messmer Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long) On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:13, Buck wrote: > Thanks again, Gordon, > > If there is no big problem moving a program written on postgre to mysql, > I have no problem. The website hosts of Linux web sites seem to install > mysql instead of postgre. JDBC should make it fairly easy to test against both databases. If you must deploy on MySQL, because that's your only option, you're probably best off developing on that. If you have your own way, I recommend developing on PostgreSQL. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Buck, JDBC (Java DataBase Connectivity) is a set of APIs which various database drivers adhere to. It is the de-facto method by which you connect to and run queries against an RDBMS from within a Java application. Because all drivers should implement these APIs, it becomes much easier to write programs that can talk to many different RDBMS implementations. (Note that I said easier, which does not mean "simple" or "fool-proof") For example, you could write a program which uses the MySQL JDBC drivers to connect to a MySQL database. Later you could move your data into a PostgreSQL database. In order for your application to use the new database, you will have to install the PostgreSQL database drivers, change the connect string your program uses, and perhaps tweak a few SQL statements. Your application should then run against the PostgreSQL database. Depending on whether you hard-code the connect string and SQL statements into your code (not recommended), this may not even require a re-compile. You can find documentation on how create java programs which use JDBC here: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/jdbc/index.html If you have questions, email me off list and I will try to help you. On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:23, Buck wrote: > Gordon, > > What is JDBC? I keep finding a driver. Is that what I am looking for? > > > Thanks > > Buck -- Philip A. Chapman Application Development: Java, Visual Basic, VB for Applications, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MSSQL Linux, Windows 9x, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 21:23, Buck wrote: > Gordon, > > What is JDBC? I keep finding a driver. Is that what I am looking for? > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/jdbc/index.html Java includes JDBC, which is a server independent API for DB access. You add in the drivers that bridge to the backend you're using. That way you can switch from PostgreSQL to MySQL without changing any code (in theory, your queries still have to be supported by the server). -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)
Ok, Thanks for the information (You and Gordon). I'll keep that in mind and try to use it. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Philip A. Chapman Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long) Buck, JDBC (Java DataBase Connectivity) is a set of APIs which various database drivers adhere to. It is the de-facto method by which you connect to and run queries against an RDBMS from within a Java application. Because all drivers should implement these APIs, it becomes much easier to write programs that can talk to many different RDBMS implementations. (Note that I said easier, which does not mean "simple" or "fool-proof") For example, you could write a program which uses the MySQL JDBC drivers to connect to a MySQL database. Later you could move your data into a PostgreSQL database. In order for your application to use the new database, you will have to install the PostgreSQL database drivers, change the connect string your program uses, and perhaps tweak a few SQL statements. Your application should then run against the PostgreSQL database. Depending on whether you hard-code the connect string and SQL statements into your code (not recommended), this may not even require a re-compile. You can find documentation on how create java programs which use JDBC here: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/jdbc/index.html If you have questions, email me off list and I will try to help you. On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:23, Buck wrote: > Gordon, > > What is JDBC? I keep finding a driver. Is that what I am looking for? > > > Thanks > > Buck -- Philip A. Chapman Application Development: Java, Visual Basic, VB for Applications, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MSSQL Linux, Windows 9x, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Domain Hosting on Cable
As long as your ISP allows you to run servers, use dyndns.org or something simmilar to give you a static dns server. you need to pay $30 to use each domain name. which they say is forever. they will let you control all the dns they just forward requests to you. Dennis On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 03:45, Thom Paine wrote: > Is there a way that I can host all 4 domains I own on a cable connection? > They are all low bandwidth domains, I just use them for email and a few web > pages mostly. I'm going to be leaving my job and will no longer be able to > host them there. I'd like to have them at home on my personal server and > network, as I can manage them easier. I just don't know what options I have > available as a cable internet user. > > Thanks. > > -=/>Thom > -- Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Firewall settings
I just followed the instructions in 'Red Hat Linux 8 For Dummies' to setup a firewall. For some reason it doesn't work. The book uses an example for a modem, but I need to make it work for an Ethernet. There is only one NIC in the computer and the LAN going to the internet is connected to it. I tried it verbatim to the book and failed. One line has an error so I changed it. The changed line is marked with an asterisk. iptables --flush iptables --flush -t nat iptables -A INPUT -j DROP iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -o lo iptables -A INPUT j ACCEPT -i lo * iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i lo iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT When I turn off the firewall, I can access the internet, but with it on, I cannot access the internet. My status of iptables is: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) Target protopt source destination DROPall -- anywhereanywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhereanywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhereanywherestate RELATED,ESTABLISHED Chain FOREWARD (policy ACCEPT) Target protopt source destination Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) Target protopt source destination DROPall -- anywhereanywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhereanywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhereanywherestate NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED Chain RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT (0 references) Target protopt source destination I have tried /etc/init.d/iptables start and I have no access to the internet, but when I do "stop" instead, I have full access so I am positive it is the firewall. Thanks for the help, Buck -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
un-install whole packages
I have a (bad?) habit of doing an "everything" install when I install RHL... however, I would like to back up and un-install all of KDE (and maybe gnome too) from my server... is there a way to have something like the installer come up and remove packages (not just a simple rpm package mind you.. but all the pieces too). -- Tommy McNeely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun Microsystems -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
