Re: [Pharo-users] Spec: scaling imageModels

[stepharo]

Hi matteo

Please open a bug entry and submit a fix and there is a good chance that 
your enhancements


will be added to Pharo.

We cannot crawl the mails and do that in addition to all the rest. :)

Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] Garage sqlite on pharo > 5

[stepharo]

I know this is me that paid Guillermo to develop Garage and it was not 
for us but for the community.


And Guillermo made sure that we can tests all drivers on Jenkins.

Stef



Why declare that as dead?

It is there and is okay to use.

People can update it if needed.

Why say this?
That's not constructive, man.

We need DB access.
Pharo without DB access is going nowhere in the industry.

Just had a pairing session w/ Doru and guess what? The data I need for 
Moose/Roassal usage is in a database.


-_O

Phil


On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:29 PM, stepharo > wrote:


Guillermo created Garage because the consortium asked and payed
him to do and I think that he did it well. Now Guillermo does not
use any database during his development and he is busy to work on
many important tasks for Pharo.

I will ask Guillermo to declare Garage as dead and people should
not come and cry that DB is not well supported in Pharo. I never
understood why the code of UDBC was not pushed into Garage.

Stef

PS: So now people can tell me that I'm insulting torsten or
whatever. Feel free. I found the situation quite sad in fact and
quite also discouraging.




Le 17/10/16 à 15:49, Esteban A. Maringolo a écrit :

2016-10-17 8:12 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl mailto:norb...@hartl.name>>:

Does anyone use Garage SQL drivers with sqlite in pharo >= 5?

Garage SQLite driver doesn't work on Pharo 5, the FFI API
changed and
Garage wasn't updated to use UFFI.
You have to use Torsten version in UDBC.

Gofer it
 smalltalkhubUser: 'TorstenBergmann' project: 'UDBC';
 configuration;
 load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfUDBC) loadBleedingEdge.


Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: [Pharo-users] How do I debug a MNU in Pharo-6.0

[Ben Coman]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Dale Henrichs
 wrote:
> I am trying to debug a problem that showed up loading my version of STON
> into Pharo-6.0. ON Travis, I see the error message[1]:
>
>   MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "ifTrue:ifFalse:" is nil
>
> The code is loading and passing tests in Pharo-5.0, 4.0, 3.0 and several
> versions of GemStone, so I am interested in bringing up a debugger...
>
> I cloned g...@github.com:GsDevKit/ston.git and checked out the gs_port branch
> into the directory
> /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston.
>
> But when I run the following code in a Pharo-6.0 image using the Playground
> by pressing the green arrow:
>
>   Metacello new
> baseline: 'Ston';
> repository:
> 'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
> load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')
>
> I do not get the expected MNU in a debugger -- but I do see a bunch of infos
> popping up during the execution but they fade too quickly for me to actually
> read them --- there were 8 or more popups --- and I got the impression that
> they involved the ifTrue:ifFalse:, but danged if I know how to debug the
> problem ...
>
> I must have missed the memo that tells me how to get a debugger up in
> Pharo-6.0 ...

Maybe from commandline try...
[ Metacello new
baseline: 'Ston';
repository:
'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')
] on: Error do: [ :err | err debug ].

(If I try it myself in Pharo 6 I get ZnUnknownScheme.  I guess I need
to load gitfiletree separately)

cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-users] [Seaside] Seaside can not be used with Pharo 60261

[Norbert Hartl]

Hi Johan,

can you please upload the ConfigurationOfSeaside3 I've sent in this thread?

thanks,

Norbert

> Am 18.10.2016 um 17:20 schrieb Johan Brichau :
> 
> 
>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 16:36, Norbert Hartl > > wrote:
>> 
>> (ConfigurationOfAster project version: #development) load
> 
> There are issues with this ‘old’ way of Metacello loading. Can you try:
> 
> Metacello new
>   configuration:’Aster’;
>   version: #development;
>   load.
> 
> (Maybe you need to add the repo to, don’t know).
> 
> Cheers
> Johan

Re: [Pharo-users] How do I debug a MNU in Pharo-6.0

[Ben Coman]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Ben Coman  wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Dale Henrichs
>  wrote:
>> I am trying to debug a problem that showed up loading my version of STON
>> into Pharo-6.0. ON Travis, I see the error message[1]:
>>
>>   MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "ifTrue:ifFalse:" is nil
>>
>> The code is loading and passing tests in Pharo-5.0, 4.0, 3.0 and several
>> versions of GemStone, so I am interested in bringing up a debugger...
>>
>> I cloned g...@github.com:GsDevKit/ston.git and checked out the gs_port branch
>> into the directory
>> /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston.
>>
>> But when I run the following code in a Pharo-6.0 image using the Playground
>> by pressing the green arrow:
>>
>>   Metacello new
>> baseline: 'Ston';
>> repository:
>> 'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
>> load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')
>>
>> I do not get the expected MNU in a debugger -- but I do see a bunch of infos
>> popping up during the execution but they fade too quickly for me to actually
>> read them --- there were 8 or more popups --- and I got the impression that
>> they involved the ifTrue:ifFalse:, but danged if I know how to debug the
>> problem ...

Alternatively, maybe put a haltOnce in each of the six implementors of #inform:

cheers -ben

>>
>> I must have missed the memo that tells me how to get a debugger up in
>> Pharo-6.0 ...
>
> Maybe from commandline try...
> [ Metacello new
> baseline: 'Ston';
> repository:
> 'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
> load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')
> ] on: Error do: [ :err | err debug ].
>
> (If I try it myself in Pharo 6 I get ZnUnknownScheme.  I guess I need
> to load gitfiletree separately)
>
> cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-users] How do I debug a MNU in Pharo-6.0

[Dale Henrichs]

Ben,

Thanks for the responses ... I've just tried it again using a freshly 
downloaded Pharo6.0 (60265) and using filetree instead of gitfiletree on 
my mac (my earlier attempt was using on older Pharo6.0 on Linux) --- so 
I had installed gitfiletree into the linux image at some point apparently...


Anyway on the mac, the informs stayed visible long enough for me to grab 
one and here is the message that I'm getting now:


  OmFileStoreWritingError: this store is locked

Oh and I did get a debugger on the mac so I'm in business ...

I tried the linux test again with the same older version of Pharo 
(60208) using filetree:// instead of gitfiletree:// and got the same 
result (no debugger), but running over x from home, the informs did not 
disappear so quickly and here is the message:


  Ombu: Couldn't write entry, since MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of 
"ifTrue:ifFalse:" is nil


I just downloaded 60265 for linux and tried again using filetree:// and 
got a debugger and a slew of informs with the message:


  OmFileStoreWritingError: this store is locked

S, the problem appears to be fixed in the latest Pharo6.0 with the 
exception of the flood of OmFileStoreWritingError messages...


I did try catching Error, but that didn't work either ... the inform: 
was swallowing the error without doing a pass --- perhaps that was the 
fix...


Anyway, thanks for your time and I appreciate your help,

Dale

On 10/20/16 3:03 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Ben Coman  wrote:

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Dale Henrichs
 wrote:

I am trying to debug a problem that showed up loading my version of STON
into Pharo-6.0. ON Travis, I see the error message[1]:

   MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "ifTrue:ifFalse:" is nil

The code is loading and passing tests in Pharo-5.0, 4.0, 3.0 and several
versions of GemStone, so I am interested in bringing up a debugger...

I cloned g...@github.com:GsDevKit/ston.git and checked out the gs_port branch
into the directory
/export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston.

But when I run the following code in a Pharo-6.0 image using the Playground
by pressing the green arrow:

   Metacello new
 baseline: 'Ston';
 repository:
'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
 load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')

I do not get the expected MNU in a debugger -- but I do see a bunch of infos
popping up during the execution but they fade too quickly for me to actually
read them --- there were 8 or more popups --- and I got the impression that
they involved the ifTrue:ifFalse:, but danged if I know how to debug the
problem ...

Alternatively, maybe put a haltOnce in each of the six implementors of #inform:

cheers -ben


I must have missed the memo that tells me how to get a debugger up in
Pharo-6.0 ...

Maybe from commandline try...
[ Metacello new
 baseline: 'Ston';
 repository:
'gitfiletree:///export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/server/stones/m_340/git/ston/repository';
 load: #( 'UTF8' 'Tests')
] on: Error do: [ :err | err debug ].

(If I try it myself in Pharo 6 I get ZnUnknownScheme.  I guess I need
to load gitfiletree separately)

cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess lock image

[David T. Lewis]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03:15PM +0200, Hilaire wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Thanks for the tips.
> My image was running for days with the computer going to sleep
> regularly. Restarting the image solved the problem.

That is interesting and helpful, thanks. The process that receives notification
of child process exit (unix SIGCHLD signal) spends most of its time waiting
on a semaphore with timeout, see UnixOSProcessAccessor>>grimReaperProcess.
Maybe there is some kind of issue with the timeout if the image is paused
while the computer is put to sleep.

Dave

> 
> Hilaire
> 
> Le 15/10/2016 ? 20:00, Paul DeBruicker a ?crit :
> > I have no idea why it happens but sometimes OSProcess resumes working after
> > doing a 
> > 
> > OSProcessAccessor initialize.
> > 
> > in a workspace.
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> 

[Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Dimitris Chloupis]

I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos,
Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I
found this.

https://gitlab.com/

Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is
completely free and you can have as many private repos as you want. Also in
terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes
it an excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited repos (the
hard limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you wont reach any time soon
)

A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab allows
you to host your own website via Gitlab pages

https://pages.gitlab.io/

The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is highly
configurable which means you can even make it work with Pillar. The website
part can mix with existing code, meaning you can keep on the same repo the
code of your pharo projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab
pages support a wide variety of static website generators , the on the
interests me is gitbook

https://www.gitbook.com/

Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you can
download as a native client that handles the writing of the book /
documentation and pushing and committing to the repo

https://www.gitbook.com/editor

Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be installed
in any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want

I made an example here.
https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook

The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is a nice
clean way to isolate documentation from project's code but also you could
alternative have everything in master and put documentation in a doc
folder. You can fine tune such setup with the corresponding yaml setup file
as can see here

https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml

The website generated by this repo can be viewed here

https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/

obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make this
ideal for blog, main websites, application frontends and pretty much
everything you can imagine and because GitLab allows for unlimited amount
of repos you can have unlimited amount of websites.

Have fun :)

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Dimitris Chloupis]

I forgot to add that the limit per website hosted is 1GB

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:47 PM Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos,
> Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I
> found this.
>
> https://gitlab.com/
>
> Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is
> completely free and you can have as many private repos as you want. Also in
> terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes
> it an excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited repos (the
> hard limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you wont reach any time soon
> )
>
> A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab allows
> you to host your own website via Gitlab pages
>
> https://pages.gitlab.io/
>
> The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is highly
> configurable which means you can even make it work with Pillar. The website
> part can mix with existing code, meaning you can keep on the same repo the
> code of your pharo projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab
> pages support a wide variety of static website generators , the on the
> interests me is gitbook
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/
>
> Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you can
> download as a native client that handles the writing of the book /
> documentation and pushing and committing to the repo
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/editor
>
> Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be installed
> in any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want
>
> I made an example here.
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook
>
> The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is a nice
> clean way to isolate documentation from project's code but also you could
> alternative have everything in master and put documentation in a doc
> folder. You can fine tune such setup with the corresponding yaml setup file
> as can see here
>
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml
>
> The website generated by this repo can be viewed here
>
> https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/
>
> obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make this
> ideal for blog, main websites, application frontends and pretty much
> everything you can imagine and because GitLab allows for unlimited amount
> of repos you can have unlimited amount of websites.
>
> Have fun :)
>

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Esteban Lorenzano]

bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to install a 
server by your own.

Esteban

> On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
> 
> I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos, 
> Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I found 
> this.
> 
> https://gitlab.com/ 
> 
> Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is 
> completely free and you can have as many private repos as you want. Also in 
> terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes it 
> an excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited repos (the hard 
> limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you wont reach any time soon ) 
> 
> A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab allows you 
> to host your own website via Gitlab pages
> 
> https://pages.gitlab.io/ 
> 
> The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is highly 
> configurable which means you can even make it work with Pillar. The website 
> part can mix with existing code, meaning you can keep on the same repo the 
> code of your pharo projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab 
> pages support a wide variety of static website generators , the on the 
> interests me is gitbook 
> 
> https://www.gitbook.com/ 
> 
> Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you can download 
> as a native client that handles the writing of the book / documentation and 
> pushing and committing to the repo 
> 
> https://www.gitbook.com/editor 
> 
> Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be installed in 
> any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want
> 
> I made an example here. 
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook 
> 
> The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is a nice clean 
> way to isolate documentation from project's code but also you could 
> alternative have everything in master and put documentation in a doc folder. 
> You can fine tune such setup with the corresponding yaml setup file as can 
> see here
> 
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml 
> 
> 
> The website generated by this repo can be viewed here
> 
> https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/ 
> 
> obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make this ideal 
> for blog, main websites, application frontends and pretty much everything you 
> can imagine and because GitLab allows for unlimited amount of repos you can 
> have unlimited amount of websites. 
> 
> Have fun :)

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Dimitris Chloupis]

One big factor for me has been also repo size , because I make games and as
you can imagine I need a lot of space.

Bit bucket has a limit of 2GB per repo while GitLab has a limit of 10GB, so
for me GitLab is far better choice.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano  wrote:

> bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to install
> a server by your own.
>
> Esteban
>
>
> On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
>
> I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos,
> Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I
> found this.
>
> https://gitlab.com/
>
> Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is
> completely free and you can have as many private repos as you want. Also in
> terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes
> it an excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited repos (the
> hard limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you wont reach any time soon
> )
>
> A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab allows
> you to host your own website via Gitlab pages
>
> https://pages.gitlab.io/
>
> The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is highly
> configurable which means you can even make it work with Pillar. The website
> part can mix with existing code, meaning you can keep on the same repo the
> code of your pharo projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab
> pages support a wide variety of static website generators , the on the
> interests me is gitbook
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/
>
> Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you can
> download as a native client that handles the writing of the book /
> documentation and pushing and committing to the repo
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/editor
>
> Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be installed
> in any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want
>
> I made an example here.
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook
>
> The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is a nice
> clean way to isolate documentation from project's code but also you could
> alternative have everything in master and put documentation in a doc
> folder. You can fine tune such setup with the corresponding yaml setup file
> as can see here
>
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml
>
> The website generated by this repo can be viewed here
>
> https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/
>
> obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make this
> ideal for blog, main websites, application frontends and pretty much
> everything you can imagine and because GitLab allows for unlimited amount
> of repos you can have unlimited amount of websites.
>
> Have fun :)
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

Anything that encourages diversity should be encouraged too. Of course 
there is a balance to be found between diversity and fragmentation and 
we're a small community, but even trying different Git front ends 
without going to the same (monopolistic?) provider is healthy.


For a critical perspective on GitHub and how it affects "open source" I 
recommend:


https://medium.com/@nayafia/we-re-in-a-brave-new-post-open-source-world-56ef46d152a3#.8owyyk8dk

(there are a lot of good comments via hypothes.is )

Cheers,

Offray


On 20/10/16 08:39, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
One big factor for me has been also repo size , because I make games 
and as you can imagine I need a lot of space.


Bit bucket has a limit of 2GB per repo while GitLab has a limit of 
10GB, so for me GitLab is far better choice.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano > wrote:


bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to
install a server by your own.

Esteban



On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis
mailto:kilon.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my
private repos, Github provides only 1 private repo and for more
you have to pay. So I found this.

https://gitlab.com/

Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages
that is completely free and you can have as many private repos as
you want. Also in terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of
10 GB per repo which makes it an excellent choice for binary
files. You can have unlimited repos (the hard limit is at 100.000
repos per user which you wont reach any time soon )

A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab
allows you to host your own website via Gitlab pages

https://pages.gitlab.io/

The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is
highly configurable which means you can even make it work with
Pillar. The website part can mix with existing code, meaning you
can keep on the same repo the code of your pharo projects and
documentation in form of website. Gitlab pages support a wide
variety of static website generators , the on the interests me is
gitbook

https://www.gitbook.com/

Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you
can download as a native client that handles the writing of the
book / documentation and pushing and committing to the repo

https://www.gitbook.com/editor

Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be
installed in any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want

I made an example here.
https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook

The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is
a nice clean way to isolate documentation from project's code but
also you could alternative have everything in master and put
documentation in a doc folder. You can fine tune such setup with
the corresponding yaml setup file as can see here

https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml

The website generated by this repo can be viewed here

https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/

obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make
this ideal for blog, main websites, application frontends and
pretty much everything you can imagine and because GitLab allows
for unlimited amount of repos you can have unlimited amount of
websites.

Have fun :)

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Esteban A. Maringolo]

2016-10-20 10:30 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano :
> bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to install a
> server by your own.

Gitlab also offers a free SaaS, just like GitHub, or you can download
Gitlab and use it on your own premises.

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Dimitris Chloupis]

No , no and no

My fault if I did not make this clear so let me make this crystal

*Under no circumstance choose GitLab over Github unless the following
conditions apply*

*1) You want unlimited amount of free private repos*
*2) You want a 10GB repo*
*3) You want a 1GB webpage*
*4) You want to deploy at your own server a github like repo hub*

Open source projects use public repos and for those Github is the best
choice. I was one of the first here to recommend pharo developers to move
to git and github , that wont change any time soon.

In case you are not aware of a private repo is a repo that you wont be able
to clone, fork even view online. The only way to do the things you can with
a public repo is to be given specific permition and Gitlab offers a huge
array of permissions that are about cloning, forking, viewing, creating new
issues, merges , pull requests etc.

Open source projects would make little to no sense to use a private repo,
hence Github remains the best choice mainly because of visibility and
exposure.



On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:31 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anything that encourages diversity should be encouraged too. Of course
> there is a balance to be found between diversity and fragmentation and
> we're a small community, but even trying different Git front ends without
> going to the same (monopolistic?) provider is healthy.
>
> For a critical perspective on GitHub and how it affects "open source" I
> recommend:
>
>
> https://medium.com/@nayafia/we-re-in-a-brave-new-post-open-source-world-56ef46d152a3#.8owyyk8dk
>
> (there are a lot of good comments via hypothes.is )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
> On 20/10/16 08:39, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
> One big factor for me has been also repo size , because I make games and
> as you can imagine I need a lot of space.
>
> Bit bucket has a limit of 2GB per repo while GitLab has a limit of 10GB,
> so for me GitLab is far better choice.
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano 
> wrote:
>
> bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to install
> a server by your own.
>
> Esteban
>
>
> On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
>
> I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos,
> Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I
> found this.
>
> https://gitlab.com/
>
> Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is
> completely free and you can have as many private repos as you want. Also in
> terms of space , its unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes
> it an excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited repos (the
> hard limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you wont reach any time soon
> )
>
> A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github , Gitlab allows
> you to host your own website via Gitlab pages
>
> https://pages.gitlab.io/
>
> The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which is highly
> configurable which means you can even make it work with Pillar. The website
> part can mix with existing code, meaning you can keep on the same repo the
> code of your pharo projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab
> pages support a wide variety of static website generators , the on the
> interests me is gitbook
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/
>
> Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor you can
> download as a native client that handles the writing of the book /
> documentation and pushing and committing to the repo
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/editor
>
> Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free software that means they can be installed
> in any Pharo server and customised to whatever you want
>
> I made an example here.
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook
>
> The gitbook documentation is hosted in the pages branch which is a nice
> clean way to isolate documentation from project's code but also you could
> alternative have everything in master and put documentation in a doc
> folder. You can fine tune such setup with the corresponding yaml setup file
> as can see here
>
> https://gitlab.com/Kilon/testbook/blob/pages/.gitlab-ci.yml
>
> The website generated by this repo can be viewed here
>
> https://kilon.gitlab.io/testbook/
>
> obviously you can also add anything that is in HTML/JS which make this
> ideal for blog, main websites, application frontends and pretty much
> everything you can imagine and because GitLab allows for unlimited amount
> of repos you can have unlimited amount of websites.
>
> Have fun :)
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

My only underline was about being diverse in infrastructure also. Your 
personal motivations for choosing GitHub are as good as anyone's for not 
doing so (including the critical approach Nadja is talking about, which 
I recommend, again, as a good reading).


I don't want to start a holy war anytime somebody mentions a DVCS that 
is not Git/GitHub, a format that is not pillar, a license that is not 
MIT (and hopefully each time we can focus on arguments instead of 
people). Last discussion on licensing made clear for me why MIT (I had 
chosen it, but in non image environments my license choice was 
different, and I did want to understand the reasons behind).


So we can have a small community, with the constrains of it, and still 
encouraging a diverse ecosystem, choices and backgrounds. I can 
understand that community can't support everything, but having a broader 
view of alternatives and reasons behind is healthy in my opinion.


Cheers,

Offray


On 20/10/16 11:21, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:

No , no and no

My fault if I did not make this clear so let me make this crystal
*
*
*Under no circumstance choose GitLab over Github unless the following 
conditions apply*

*
*
*1) You want unlimited amount of free private repos*
*2) You want a 10GB repo*
*3) You want a 1GB webpage*
*4) You want to deploy at your own server a github like repo hub*
*
*
Open source projects use public repos and for those Github is the best 
choice. I was one of the first here to recommend pharo developers to 
move to git and github , that wont change any time soon.


In case you are not aware of a private repo is a repo that you wont be 
able to clone, fork even view online. The only way to do the things 
you can with a public repo is to be given specific permition and 
Gitlab offers a huge array of permissions that are about cloning, 
forking, viewing, creating new issues, merges , pull requests etc.


Open source projects would make little to no sense to use a private 
repo, hence Github remains the best choice mainly because of 
visibility and exposure.




On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:31 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas 
mailto:offray.l...@mutabit.com>> wrote:


Hi,

Anything that encourages diversity should be encouraged too. Of
course there is a balance to be found between diversity and
fragmentation and we're a small community, but even trying
different Git front ends without going to the same (monopolistic?)
provider is healthy.

For a critical perspective on GitHub and how it affects "open
source" I recommend:


https://medium.com/@nayafia/we-re-in-a-brave-new-post-open-source-world-56ef46d152a3#.8owyyk8dk

(there are a lot of good comments via hypothes.is
 )

Cheers,

Offray


On 20/10/16 08:39, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:

One big factor for me has been also repo size , because I make
games and as you can imagine I need a lot of space.

Bit bucket has a limit of 2GB per repo while GitLab has a limit
of 10GB, so for me GitLab is far better choice.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano
mailto:esteba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not
want to install a server by your own.

Esteban



On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis
mailto:kilon.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my
private repos, Github provides only 1 private repo and for
more you have to pay. So I found this.

https://gitlab.com/

Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional
advantages that is completely free and you can have as many
private repos as you want. Also in terms of space , its
unlimited with a limit of 10 GB per repo which makes it an
excellent choice for binary files. You can have unlimited
repos (the hard limit is at 100.000 repos per user which you
wont reach any time soon )

A recent advantage that I discovered is that like Github ,
Gitlab allows you to host your own website via Gitlab pages

https://pages.gitlab.io/

The cool thing about this is that it comes with CI , which
is highly configurable which means you can even make it work
with Pillar. The website part can mix with existing code,
meaning you can keep on the same repo the code of your pharo
projects and documentation in form of website. Gitlab pages
support a wide variety of static website generators , the on
the interests me is gitbook

https://www.gitbook.com/

Gitbook is interesting because it comes with its own Editor
you can download as a native client that handles the writing
of the book / documentation and pushing and committing to
the repo

https://www.gitbook.com/editor

Both Gitlab and Gitbook are free

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Dimitris Chloupis]

well its not much of a problem really, pretty much any git repo website
offers ways to mirror repos and keep them in sync. Gitlab also has
facilities to import github repos and stay in sync with them.  So you can
maintain one repo on github and have it automatically update on gitlab and
vice versa.

Its not about monopoly, its just common logic, if you want the most
visibility github remains by far the most popular choice even when compared
against other VCSs.

>From my perspective there is no need for support, I wont be abandoning for
example gitup for iceberg anytime soon. I am perfectly ok with working with
technologies outside the pharo image and in many cases I prefer it. The
reason why I don't tie myself too much into the pharo image is that I can
easily move between different technologies like Github and Gitlab.  So i
dont need Pharo to provide me support for Gitlab , I am already using it .
Plus is just git.

Its easy to get lost in the ocean of options but then I will never complain
about having too many options ;) I love too many options.

I was always very vocal about git and github but never had a problem people
using alternatives. In the end what matters is the code itself and whatever
tool we can use to improve code, is more than welcomed from me.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:37 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My only underline was about being diverse in infrastructure also. Your
> personal motivations for choosing GitHub are as good as anyone's for not
> doing so (including the critical approach Nadja is talking about, which I
> recommend, again, as a good reading).
>
> I don't want to start a holy war anytime somebody mentions a DVCS that is
> not Git/GitHub, a format that is not pillar, a license that is not MIT (and
> hopefully each time we can focus on arguments instead of people). Last
> discussion on licensing made clear for me why MIT (I had chosen it, but in
> non image environments my license choice was different, and I did want to
> understand the reasons behind).
>
> So we can have a small community, with the constrains of it, and still
> encouraging a diverse ecosystem, choices and backgrounds. I can understand
> that community can't support everything, but having a broader view of
> alternatives and reasons behind is healthy in my opinion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
> On 20/10/16 11:21, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
> No , no and no
>
> My fault if I did not make this clear so let me make this crystal
>
> *Under no circumstance choose GitLab over Github unless the following
> conditions apply*
>
> *1) You want unlimited amount of free private repos*
> *2) You want a 10GB repo*
> *3) You want a 1GB webpage*
> *4) You want to deploy at your own server a github like repo hub*
>
> Open source projects use public repos and for those Github is the best
> choice. I was one of the first here to recommend pharo developers to move
> to git and github , that wont change any time soon.
>
> In case you are not aware of a private repo is a repo that you wont be
> able to clone, fork even view online. The only way to do the things you can
> with a public repo is to be given specific permition and Gitlab offers a
> huge array of permissions that are about cloning, forking, viewing,
> creating new issues, merges , pull requests etc.
>
> Open source projects would make little to no sense to use a private repo,
> hence Github remains the best choice mainly because of visibility and
> exposure.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:31 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
> offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Anything that encourages diversity should be encouraged too. Of course
> there is a balance to be found between diversity and fragmentation and
> we're a small community, but even trying different Git front ends without
> going to the same (monopolistic?) provider is healthy.
>
> For a critical perspective on GitHub and how it affects "open source" I
> recommend:
>
>
> https://medium.com/@nayafia/we-re-in-a-brave-new-post-open-source-world-56ef46d152a3#.8owyyk8dk
>
> (there are a lot of good comments via hypothes.is )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
> On 20/10/16 08:39, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
> One big factor for me has been also repo size , because I make games and
> as you can imagine I need a lot of space.
>
> Bit bucket has a limit of 2GB per repo while GitLab has a limit of 10GB,
> so for me GitLab is far better choice.
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano 
> wrote:
>
> bitbucket offers infinite private repos too, if you do not want to install
> a server by your own.
>
> Esteban
>
>
> On 20 Oct 2016, at 14:47, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
>
> I have been looking for an alternative to Github to host my private repos,
> Github provides only 1 private repo and for more you have to pay. So I
> found this.
>
> https://gitlab.com/
>
> Gitlab has all the features of Github with additional advantages that is
> completely free and you can have as many

Re: [Pharo-users] [Seaside] Seaside can not be used with Pharo 60261

[Johan Brichau]

Done!

Looked good to me, but I did not test.
If anyone experiences errors, let me know!

Johan

> On 20 Oct 2016, at 11:39, Norbert Hartl  wrote:
> 
> Hi Johan,
> 
> can you please upload the ConfigurationOfSeaside3 I've sent in this thread?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Norbert
> 
>> Am 18.10.2016 um 17:20 schrieb Johan Brichau > >:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 16:36, Norbert Hartl >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> (ConfigurationOfAster project version: #development) load
>> 
>> There are issues with this ‘old’ way of Metacello loading. Can you try:
>> 
>> Metacello new
>>  configuration:’Aster’;
>>  version: #development;
>>  load.
>> 
>> (Maybe you need to add the repo to, don’t know).
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Johan
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] new themoosebook.org - work in progress

[Alexandre Bergel]

Impressive

Alexandre


> On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Tudor Girba  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on a new The Moose Book. You can see the current draft here:
> http://themoosebook.org
> 
> In the current form, it covers about 40% of what I want to have at the end. 
> My target is to get a first complete version ready until Spring 2017. The 
> book targets Moose 6.1, although most parts will work with Moose 6.0.
> 
> The book is written in Pillar. A secondary goal for this book is to build a 
> book editor with tools in Pharo. The current book was generated directly from 
> Pharo without using the command line. The current code is in book GitHub 
> repository, but the end goal is to have these tools working separately from 
> the book.
> 
> Please let me know what you think.
> 
> The book repo is here:
> https://github.com/girba/themoosebook
> 
> Cheers,
> Doru
> 
> 
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.feenk.com
> 
> "Every thing has its own flow."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
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> moose-...@list.inf.unibe.ch
> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev

Re: [Pharo-users] GitLab and Pharo

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,


On 20/10/16 12:17, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:


Its not about monopoly, its just common logic, if you want the most 
visibility github remains by far the most popular choice even when 
compared against other VCSs.




[...]

Popularity has a circular logic: choose something popular/visible 
because is popular/visible, but for some is more about autonomy, instead 
of visibility. Pharo and Fossil bring that to me and I think that the 
Iceberg way is abstracting git and trying to think critically about its 
workflow, which is also healthy and would add more diversity in the future.




Its easy to get lost in the ocean of options but then I will never 
complain about having too many options ;) I love too many options.


I was always very vocal about git and github but never had a problem 
people using alternatives. In the end what matters is the code itself 
and whatever tool we can use to improve code, is more than welcomed 
from me.




Agreed. I'm also pretty vocal about diversity, but that includes 
popular/visible options, while not reducing everything to it. So yes, 
having options is better for healthier communities and the 
code/artifacts they produce.


Cheers,

Offray