[Pharo-users] DCI
Hi Dan, You made me very happy when you made it to my talk on Thursday. It was impossible for me to present a new paradigm in less than 30 minutes, but I hope I triggered your curiosity. I think your best next step would be to read my article on the DCI Execution model http://fulloo.info/Documents/DCIExecutionModel-2.1.pdf (I hope you will put me right where I have misunderstood something.) The simplest possible example that illustrates the DCI concepts is /BB5BankTransfer/. You can run it and browse its code in my current DCI Squeak image http://fulloo.info/Downloads/BabyIDE-3.zip It would be great if we could do serious work on a realization of the Dynabook dream together. Pharo may be a good starting point because its community seems very open to new ideas. Cheers --Trygve PS. The BabyIDE is an application browser rather than a class browser. There is a kind of user manual embedded in this old article http://fulloo.info/Documents/200904commonsense.pdf PPS. I stick to a very old image because I cannot as yet file out DCI Contexts and role methods. Bootstrap to a better image is therefore impracticable.
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
It's very vague; I'm thinking as I write. My off-the-cuff answer: Start
from Alan's definition of object orientation: "/... Thus its semantics
are a bit like having thousands and thousands of computers all hooked
together by a very fast network./" The BOOK consists of its own objects
as well as objects anywhere on the net. The remote objects may be
written by anybody in any language, but they communicate with the BOOK
according to a fixed message interaction contract. (Contrast with
procedure call interfaces).
There will be many ways for linking users with producers. Google?
Alan Kay once said something like "an operating system is what the
language designers omitted to include in their language". Smalltalk was
built directly on top of the hardware microcode; it was its own
operating system rather than an app. The BOOK should be similar. More
like iOS than an app.
This is fun
--Trygve
---
/I am using the term BOOK rather than Dynabook because Alan Kay has the
moral copyright to the latter and he may not agree with what we are doing./
On 25.08.2014 16:15, S Krish wrote:
" The Dynabook SW architecture must be open so that owners can safely
install functionality ('apps') that is available in a marketplace.
(The i-pad with its hardware and its marketplace for apps is at the
back of my mind.)"
Can the intent be expanded a bit more. Is this an intent to have a
Pharo / ST / Dynabook based marketplace or more extensive ?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Trygve Reenskaug > wrote:
I don't think the current Smalltalk architecture can meet all your
computing needs because security isn't part of its core and
because it is inconceivable that all the necessary programs can be
developed within its boundaries.
Like several people I met at ESUG, my goal is the Dynabook and the
Dynabook shall, by definition, meet all your needs. A Dynabook
must be safe so that its owner is protected from hackers and other
evildoers. The Dynabook SW architecture must be open so that
owners can safely install functionality ('apps') that is
available in a marketplace. (The i-pad with its hardware and its
marketplace for apps is at the back of my mind.)
I can only see one path from here to there. Start from e.g., Pharo
and simplify it to create a Dynabook architecture with owner
programming and with opening for safely adding functionality
safely ad lib. (I suppose this is an ST based OS?)
Any takers?
--Trygve
On 23.08.2014 17:04, Wilfred Hughes wrote:
Hi folks
I've been playing with Pharo recently, and really enjoying
writing some programs in the Pharo environment.
As a result, I've been wondering if I can use Pharo the way I
would use Emacs, as an environment for doing everything.
For example, can I use Pharo to:
* Send emails to this mailing list?
* Use IRC?
* Start Bash?
* Read the Pharo documentation (e.g. Pharo By Example)?
If these things do exist, how do I discover them? Is there a
package manager I can use to find new tools I can use in Pharo?
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
On 26 Aug 2014, at 01:33, Wilfred Hughes wrote: > Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp Machines. The > idea of a single system that allows you to modify any part at runtime, > inspect any part, or drop into a debugger anywhere is extremely powerful and > wonderful to work with. +10 That is, for me, one of the core points. Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand it, cannot change it - easily. It is not just about being able to do it, but how big the barrier is. And it also includes the idea of documentation, tools, environment, live objects and being able to learn. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Trygve Reenskaug wrote > Alan Kay once said something like "an operating system is what the > language designers omitted to include in their language". That's a great one! Dan Ingalls put it this way in Design Principles Behind Smalltalk (http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk.html): Operating System: An operating system is a collection of things that don't fit into a language. There shouldn't be one. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p4774865.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand > it, cannot change it - easily. Yes!!! This is why just open sourcing a bad idea like an OS (see GNU/Linux) doesn't cut it. Even though theoretically you have access to the whole system, you can judge the practicality of doing so by looking at how few people actually do so. Compare that with Smalltalk, where it seems a rarity to find someone who /doesn't/ take advantage of modifying the core (granted Smalltalkers are somewhat self-selected). The system must be distilled down and unified until it is easily understandable and changeable by a single person. We'll know we're there when we have the equivalent functionality of "an OS + Standard Suite of Common Applications" in which it is commonplace for users to dig down and modify any level. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p4774868.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Hi, I’m sorry, I never tested pharo on windows 8.1. and the only thing I can promise is that I will create a parallels image next weeks (a couple of them), with 8.1 to test it… Esteban On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > Dear all, > > i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and > then restarting > the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the > Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes > and restarts. > > No Problems under Windows 7. > > Looks like a Problem with the VM. > > Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, > and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > >
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > Dear all, > > i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and > then restarting > the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the > Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes > and restarts. > > No Problems under Windows 7. > > Looks like a Problem with the VM. > > Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, > and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > >
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Personally I think the direction Moose is going is the right one, with visualising code for understanding its overall structure. I do think however that a system can help a user understand is an AI system, not in the strict sense of the word but a system that can understand user needs and act accordingly. Something like the Star Trek computer, where you can talk to a computer and reply back. Coding was great so far but it has become too complicated for mere humans to manage. So I think if Pharo is the future then we need to focus more and invest more on intelligent software, not software that is build in intelligent way but rather a software that can evolve and react to user's needs. This wont be easy or a short term goal. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > > Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand > > it, cannot change it - easily. > > Yes!!! This is why just open sourcing a bad idea like an OS (see GNU/Linux) > doesn't cut it. Even though theoretically you have access to the whole > system, you can judge the practicality of doing so by looking at how few > people actually do so. Compare that with Smalltalk, where it seems a rarity > to find someone who /doesn't/ take advantage of modifying the core (granted > Smalltalkers are somewhat self-selected). The system must be distilled down > and unified until it is easily understandable and changeable by a single > person. We'll know we're there when we have the equivalent functionality of > "an OS + Standard Suite of Common Applications" in which it is commonplace > for users to dig down and modify any level. > > > > - > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p4774868.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Yes, yes, yes. BTW: Readable code is the goal of DCI. On 26.08.2014 14:26, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand it, cannot change it - easily. Yes!!! This is why just open sourcing a bad idea like an OS (see GNU/Linux) doesn't cut it. Even though theoretically you have access to the whole system, you can judge the practicality of doing so by looking at how few people actually do so. Compare that with Smalltalk, where it seems a rarity to find someone who /doesn't/ take advantage of modifying the core (granted Smalltalkers are somewhat self-selected). The system must be distilled down and unified until it is easily understandable and changeable by a single person. We'll know we're there when we have the equivalent functionality of "an OS + Standard Suite of Common Applications" in which it is commonplace for users to dig down and modify any level. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p4774868.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Trygve Reenskaug mailto: tryg...@ifi.uio.no Morgedalsvn. 5A http://folk.uio.no/trygver/ N-0378 Oslo http://fullOO.info Norway Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Windows 8.1 here and zero problems. Now, I am using zeroconf, but that shouldn't be an issue. Phil
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Hi Wilfred,
Smalltalk builds on Simula, Lisp, ++
So yes, there is a strong similarity with Lisp but I hope we can make
the programs more readable.
Do you mean to use the command shell for running remote objects
('apps')? Well worth trying.
A next step could be to run them from DCI role methods.
--Trygve
On 26.08.2014 01:33, Wilfred Hughes wrote:
Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp
Machines. The idea of a single system that allows you to modify any
part at runtime, inspect any part, or drop into a debugger anywhere is
extremely powerful and wonderful to work with.
Emacs gets quite close to this, but... it's Emacs lisp. I've used
worse languages, but elisp was not intended to be a general purpose
application programming language. Smalltalk is, which is why Pharo
excites me.
Once you start 'living' in a single environment, you customise it to
meet your needs and can contribute the reusable parts to the wider
community. This produces a virtuous circle of the tools getting
better. A package manager that makes it easy to distribute your work
is crucial in this.
Sounds like the first step for me is to start using the Pharo file
browser and command shell and to see how it fits my workflow :)
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Hi, Many thanks for your ref [1]. I have skimmed it and find it both well written and interesting. I must read it more carefully as necessary background when I am embarking on the 'new Dynabook' (BOOK) project. My target audience is professionals using computers as an essential part of their work. (E.g., computational chemists). More precisely, the curious and creative subset. The distance to children is in topic only as far as I can see. I'm afraid the other references in English will have to be put on the back burner... Again, my sincere thanks for this essential reference --Trygve On 26.08.2014 03:08, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi Wilfred and welcome, I have been lurking at the Smalltalk/Squeak community like from ten years when I used Etoys, Bots Inc and Scratch to teach newbies an introductory course on "informatics" (which has a part related with programming) and after a while I got here at the Pharo community, where I lurked here for a while but now, because of my PhD research, which is related with mutual modification between communities and digital artifacts, I try to explore Pharo as a medium for exploring some ideas about that and I think it can't be done without a first hands on experience on the environment and the actual code writing, so I'm trying to become a more active participant, but I'm still a newbie. Anyway, from newbie to newbie, welcome again. About the dynabook and its vision I would recommend "Tracing the Dynabook: A Study of Technocultural Transformations" by John W Maxwell at [1]. In fact, on this book Maxwell claims that Smalltalk didn't loose (in popularity and defining the common computer experience) against another programming languages, it lost against the Operative System paradigm, and its idea of having different small tools connected mainly by pipes and files, mainly non-interactive, mainly binary and without any unifying conceptual framework beyond files and pipes. I think he's right. [1] http://tkbr.ccsp.sfu.ca/dynabook/ Besides SqueakNOS you can see some ideas inspired in Smalltak and the Dynabook vision in the EtoileOS[2]. The authors are not trying to repeat the OS paradigm, but trying to rethink it from a Smalltalk perspective, with practical considerations about bridging what we have now in C [3] and the apps world [4] with what can be done/thought from a Dynabook inspired vision. [2] http://etoileos.com/ [3] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/08/19/1308/ [4] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/04/30/1825/ Regarding myself and my own approach to make this ideas viable in my current context, specifically on what is concerned with creation of rich documentation and something like a modest "Dynabooklet", I'm trying to get the writing experience of Leo[5], which is an outliner that has the property of making it's own tree structure available to make it scriptable in Python (any node of the tree can contain python code which can traverse and process the tree in particular ways) to something similar in Smalltalk, with the advantage of an integrated and explorable inmersive dynamic environment. My idea is to make and environment where I can write my own PhD thesis[7] (at this moment I'm writing it with Leo + LaTeX with advances like this [8]), but also to teach some Data Narratives[9] and Indie Web[10][11]. I'm trying to combine Python and Smalltalk in modest ways or at least to create some cross-pollination of ideas. [5] http://leoeditor.com/ [6] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Ubakye/ [7] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/la-forma-en-que-escribo-para-el-doctorado.html [8] http://mutabit.com/deltas/repos.fossil/doctorado-offray/doc/tip/Tesis/ExamenCandidatura/Escrito2/luna-offray-ecologia-de-saberes-en-diseno.pdf [9] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/borrachos-bochinche-futbol.html [10] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/indie-science-indie-web-opengarage-science.html [11] http://indiewebcamp.com/ So, I think Pharo can bootstrap the dynabook vision of and environment for your computer needs and make it viable in different ways, even for a single person or a small community if this is connected with the rest of the environment and experiences on what we have now. My examples are just humble approaches on my attempts to do that, but I hope that this can show you a lot of interesting stuff that can be done as a novice or as an expert with the help of the community and the persons here. Cheers, Offray On 08/25/2014 06:33 PM, Wilfred Hughes wrote: Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp Machines. The idea of a single system that allows you to modify any part at runtime, inspect any part, or drop into a debugger anywhere is extremely powerful and wonderful to work with. Emacs gets quite close to this, but... it's Emacs lisp. I've used worse languages, but elisp was not intended to be a general purpose
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description. If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note. BW, Volkert Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts. No Problems under Windows 7. Looks like a Problem with the VM. Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? BW, Volkert -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file? Maybe we can find the cause there. Regards, Phil On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > @Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the > time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out > under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better > description. > > If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me > a note. > > BW, > Volkert > > > Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: > >> My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked >> Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : >> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 >> >> I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. >> >> On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: >> >> Dear all, >>> >>> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo >>> and then restarting >>> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the >>> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) >>> crashes and restarts. >>> >>> No Problems under Windows 7. >>> >>> Looks like a Problem with the VM. >>> >>> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? >>> >>> BW, >>> Volkert >>> >>> -- >>> www.nivoba.de >>> >>> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to >>> use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use > it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > >
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
I would guess the image/vm is doing something IO related. What were you experimenting with ? What did you load ? Does it also happen in a clean image ? On 26 Aug 2014, at 19:24, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file? > > Maybe we can find the cause there. > > Regards, > Phil > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > @Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the > time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out > under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better > description. > > If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a > note. > > BW, > Volkert > > > Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: > My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo > ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 > > I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. > > On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > > Dear all, > > i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and > then restarting > the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the > Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes > and restarts. > > No Problems under Windows 7. > > Looks like a Problem with the VM. > > Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, > and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, > and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > >
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Hi, No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs) HTH regards, Alain
Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?
Trygve, Thanks to you for sharing DCI. I can't grasp it yet, but the relation with the Dynabook and its intended audience of grown up curious and playful adults are intriguing to me and a place where I can see common interest. Cheers, Offray On 08/26/2014 10:32 AM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote: Hi, Many thanks for your ref [1]. I have skimmed it and find it both well written and interesting. I must read it more carefully as necessary background when I am embarking on the 'new Dynabook' (BOOK) project. My target audience is professionals using computers as an essential part of their work. (E.g., computational chemists). More precisely, the curious and creative subset. The distance to children is in topic only as far as I can see. I'm afraid the other references in English will have to be put on the back burner... Again, my sincere thanks for this essential reference --Trygve On 26.08.2014 03:08, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi Wilfred and welcome, I have been lurking at the Smalltalk/Squeak community like from ten years when I used Etoys, Bots Inc and Scratch to teach newbies an introductory course on "informatics" (which has a part related with programming) and after a while I got here at the Pharo community, where I lurked here for a while but now, because of my PhD research, which is related with mutual modification between communities and digital artifacts, I try to explore Pharo as a medium for exploring some ideas about that and I think it can't be done without a first hands on experience on the environment and the actual code writing, so I'm trying to become a more active participant, but I'm still a newbie. Anyway, from newbie to newbie, welcome again. About the dynabook and its vision I would recommend "Tracing the Dynabook: A Study of Technocultural Transformations" by John W Maxwell at [1]. In fact, on this book Maxwell claims that Smalltalk didn't loose (in popularity and defining the common computer experience) against another programming languages, it lost against the Operative System paradigm, and its idea of having different small tools connected mainly by pipes and files, mainly non-interactive, mainly binary and without any unifying conceptual framework beyond files and pipes. I think he's right. [1] http://tkbr.ccsp.sfu.ca/dynabook/ Besides SqueakNOS you can see some ideas inspired in Smalltak and the Dynabook vision in the EtoileOS[2]. The authors are not trying to repeat the OS paradigm, but trying to rethink it from a Smalltalk perspective, with practical considerations about bridging what we have now in C [3] and the apps world [4] with what can be done/thought from a Dynabook inspired vision. [2] http://etoileos.com/ [3] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/08/19/1308/ [4] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/04/30/1825/ Regarding myself and my own approach to make this ideas viable in my current context, specifically on what is concerned with creation of rich documentation and something like a modest "Dynabooklet", I'm trying to get the writing experience of Leo[5], which is an outliner that has the property of making it's own tree structure available to make it scriptable in Python (any node of the tree can contain python code which can traverse and process the tree in particular ways) to something similar in Smalltalk, with the advantage of an integrated and explorable inmersive dynamic environment. My idea is to make and environment where I can write my own PhD thesis[7] (at this moment I'm writing it with Leo + LaTeX with advances like this [8]), but also to teach some Data Narratives[9] and Indie Web[10][11]. I'm trying to combine Python and Smalltalk in modest ways or at least to create some cross-pollination of ideas. [5] http://leoeditor.com/ [6] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Ubakye/ [7] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/la-forma-en-que-escribo-para-el-doctorado.html [8] http://mutabit.com/deltas/repos.fossil/doctorado-offray/doc/tip/Tesis/ExamenCandidatura/Escrito2/luna-offray-ecologia-de-saberes-en-diseno.pdf [9] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/borrachos-bochinche-futbol.html [10] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/indie-science-indie-web-opengarage-science.html [11] http://indiewebcamp.com/ So, I think Pharo can bootstrap the dynabook vision of and environment for your computer needs and make it viable in different ways, even for a single person or a small community if this is connected with the rest of the environment and experiences on what we have now. My examples are just humble approaches on my attempts to do that, but I hope that this can show you a lot of interesting stuff that can be done as a novice or as an expert with the help of the community and the persons here. Cheers, Offray On 08/25/2014 06:33 PM, Wilfred Hughes wrote: Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp Machines. The idea of a single system that allows you to modify any part at runtime, in
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
volk...@nivoba.de wrote: Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts. No Problems under Windows 7. Looks like a Problem with the VM. Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? BW, Volkert Hi Volkert, I don't have Win 8.1 64-bit to test on, but to help reproducibility for others, could you provide the exact downloads you are using for VM and Image. Do you end up with a PharoDebug.log or crash.dmp file in any Pharo folder? cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Alain Rastoul wrote: Hi, No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs) HTH regards, Alain Good thought. It may just be that Pharo reserves a lot of memory, and the next OS action hits a bad location. Just to establishing our footing, you might try memtest86. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest86 cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)
Hi! On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts. Some antivirus active? regards, Göran
