[PERFORM] postgresql on NFS.. recommended? not recommended?

2007-10-08 Thread Gábor Farkas

hi,

is it recommended to run a postgresql server on a nfs-share 
(gigabit-network)? so basically i have a NAS + a database-server,
and wonder if i should put the database on local hard-drives in the 
db-server, or on the NAS, and mount it using NFS on the database-server.


i haven't investigated the issue much yet (checked the 
mailing-list-archives, but couldn't find anything definitive.. ), so 
would like to hear opinions/recommendations?


can the NAS solution be faster? how much is usually the NFS-overhead?

or is there a consensus on this? saying for example "generally, you 
should never use NFS with postgresql?" or it depends on some factors?


intuitively it seems to me that NFS will be always an extra overhead, 
but maybe it's an unmeasurably small overhead?


thanks,
gabor

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Re: [PERFORM] postgresql on NFS.. recommended? not recommended?

2007-10-08 Thread Josh Tolley
On 10/8/07, Gábor Farkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,
>
> is it recommended to run a postgresql server on a nfs-share
> (gigabit-network)? so basically i have a NAS + a database-server,
> and wonder if i should put the database on local hard-drives in the
> db-server, or on the NAS, and mount it using NFS on the database-server.
>
> i haven't investigated the issue much yet (checked the
> mailing-list-archives, but couldn't find anything definitive.. ), so
> would like to hear opinions/recommendations?
>
> can the NAS solution be faster? how much is usually the NFS-overhead?
>
> or is there a consensus on this? saying for example "generally, you
> should never use NFS with postgresql?" or it depends on some factors?
>
> intuitively it seems to me that NFS will be always an extra overhead,
> but maybe it's an unmeasurably small overhead?
>
> thanks,
> gabor
>
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This came up recently on pgsql-hackers.
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-09/msg01182.php. See
continuation of the thread here:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-10/msg00017.php

- Josh/eggyknap

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Re: [PERFORM] Apache2 PostgreSQL http authentication

2007-10-08 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Magnus Hagander schrieb:
>> I'd consider having a small daemon LISTENing for NOTIFYs that you send
>> by triggers whenever the table has changed. That'll make sure it only
>> dumps if something actually changed. And you can also implement some
>> ratelimiting if needed.
> Do you really think such a homegrown solution will be more
> performant then just accessing postgres? If you have
> many users the lookup time in a .htaccess/.htpasswd is not for
> free either.

Right, that's what it depends on. I'd measure it. In systems with not
too many users (say just a couple of thousand), I've measured great
improvements in speed. It depends on how you authenticate as well - if
you authenticate every single http request, the difference is greater.

//Magnus

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Re: [PERFORM] Apache2 PostgreSQL http authentication

2007-10-08 Thread Tino Wildenhain

Magnus Hagander schrieb:

I'd consider having a small daemon LISTENing for NOTIFYs that you send by 
triggers whenever the table has changed. That'll make sure it only dumps if 
something actually changed. And you can also implement some ratelimiting if 
needed.

Do you really think such a homegrown solution will be more
performant then just accessing postgres? If you have
many users the lookup time in a .htaccess/.htpasswd is not for
free either.

Regards
Tino

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