[GENERAL] Row versioning

2004-10-21 Thread Ruediger Herrmann
Hi all,

has anyone implemented row versions/timestamps in PostgreSQL or any
thoughts on this?
Did I hit the right term? What I want to achieve is optimistic 
concurrency beyound transaction boundaries. When retrieving data
I would also retrieve the row version and later on, in a different
transaction, before updating the data, I could check if was unchanged.
(row version at read time = row version at update time)

What are the pro's and con's about adding a "sequence" row that is
incremented by a trigger each time the row is updated?
Is having a timestamp row instand better?

Regards
Ruediger


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Re: [GENERAL] Row versioning

2004-10-22 Thread Ruediger Herrmann

thanks for your replay. This approach sounds very comfy. As I read the
documentation this is kind of a "transaction sequence" or better a
"unique transaction id". Am I right with this? So every row inserted or
updated within the same transaction is tagged with the same xmin.

Is there any information wether this approach is future proof? I heard
the OID is depecated now, maybe XMIN is next, no idea...

TIA
Ruediger


> > has anyone implemented row versions/timestamps in
> PostgreSQL or any
> > thoughts on this?
> > Did I hit the right term? What I want to achieve
> is optimistic 
> > concurrency beyound transaction boundaries. When
> retrieving data
> > I would also retrieve the row version and later
> on, in a different
> > transaction, before updating the data, I could
> check if was unchanged.
> 
> You could use the xmin system column for this.
> 
>   regards, tom lane
> 
> 
> 

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[GENERAL] returning inserted rows, derived tables design

2004-10-23 Thread Ruediger Herrmann
Hello again,

as I am new to PostgreSQL (great pice of softwork btw) this probably won't
be the last question.

I access PostgreSQL from Java via the PostgreSQL JDBC driver. I am 
currently building a little framework that provides basic CRUD
operations by mapping class properties to database columns. All my 
primary keys are artificial and built by sequences (datat type bigserial).
Now I need to (re-)read the row that was inserted/updated because triggers
may have changed the column values, row versions (CMAX, thanks to Tom Lane)
are different and so on.
For the update operation I "know" wich row to select since the primary key
alread exists. But what about the insert? When I know the sequence for
a particular primary key I could obtain its last value select the row
with this very primary key...
This would imply that my framework must "know" wich sequence belongs to
a primary key. I don't like this idea. 
To come to an end, a RETURNNG clause for the insert/update statement would
be the perfect solution, but there isn't any, right?

Another uncertainty: Is it wise to have most tables derive from one base
table (concering performace, concurrence, maintainability, etc). Let's say
99% of my tables have an Id (artificial primary key), CreatedBy, UpdatedBy
column.
Should I put those columns in a base table and derive from it or let each
table have these columns by itself.
As for the Id column (bigserial) in the "derived solution" there would be
only one sequence wich makes it unique for the whole database. That sounds
very appealing from the application point of view.



Thanks for your patience
Ruediger

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