Re: [BUGS] bugs that have not been replied-to on list

2010-04-11 Thread Jasen Betts
On 2010-04-10, Stefan Kaltenbrunner  wrote:
> Craig Ringer wrote:
>> Dave Page wrote:
>> 
>>> This basically indicates that we need an issue tracker. There, look -
>>> now see what you made me do :-(
>> 
>> Please?!?
>> 
>> I wonder, if EDB just went ahead and set one up, would people start
>> using it? I've been tempted to do it myself, but I'm not confident I can
>> handle the bandwidth/hosting for a decent tracker with upload capability
>> etc.
>> 
>> Or just use Launchpad. It's actually pretty good, and very accessible,
>> plus many people already have logins.
>> 
>> I know people are worried it'll just become full of many ignored,
>> dupliate or useless reports, but that's what -bugs is anyway; it's just
>> less visibly so. Dups and non-bugs are easily closed by the same folks
>> who're active on -bugs triaging here.
>
> the problem is not setting one up (in fact we had multiple serious 
> attempts at that) but more of how it should interact with the lists, 
> what tool we should use and "do we even want one". There are tons of 
> discussions on that very topic in the archives (and also in the wiki).

you could set the Bug tracking system to CC every report to the list 
and possibly have the list refuse posts that are replies to these
autoposts so that responses must go through the BTS. alternately you
could possibly set something up so that responses also go into bug
report on the BTS.

On the down side Bugzilla (the only BTS I've any familiarity with) does
produce quite a lot of administrative noise in its email,


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Re: [BUGS] bugs that have not been replied-to on list

2010-04-11 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2010-04-10, Stefan Kaltenbrunner  wrote:

Craig Ringer wrote:

Dave Page wrote:


This basically indicates that we need an issue tracker. There, look -
now see what you made me do :-(

Please?!?

I wonder, if EDB just went ahead and set one up, would people start
using it? I've been tempted to do it myself, but I'm not confident I can
handle the bandwidth/hosting for a decent tracker with upload capability
etc.

Or just use Launchpad. It's actually pretty good, and very accessible,
plus many people already have logins.

I know people are worried it'll just become full of many ignored,
dupliate or useless reports, but that's what -bugs is anyway; it's just
less visibly so. Dups and non-bugs are easily closed by the same folks
who're active on -bugs triaging here.
the problem is not setting one up (in fact we had multiple serious 
attempts at that) but more of how it should interact with the lists, 
what tool we should use and "do we even want one". There are tons of 
discussions on that very topic in the archives (and also in the wiki).


you could set the Bug tracking system to CC every report to the list 
and possibly have the list refuse posts that are replies to these

autoposts so that responses must go through the BTS. alternately you
could possibly set something up so that responses also go into bug
report on the BTS.


the original plan was to keep the bug report form as it is and just call 
out to the BTS to get a bug id. The form would then just sent the report 
like it does now. The difference would have been that the tracker is 
subscribed to the list and because it "knows" about the bug-id in 
question it could actually track all the responses as if they were 
created through the BTS.
That way the only thing left to do in the BTS would have been actually 
marking a bug as closed/todo/whatever - it would be trivial however to 
generate the kind of stuff robert generated manually like "bugs nobody 
replied to yet" or "bug not replied to within X days".
The prototype we had used bugzilla's xml-rpc interface and the 
email-interface for this but i guess you can do similiar things with 
other trackers.



Stefan

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