Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 08:42 -0700, Paul Hodges wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald wrote: > > > The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon > > ring be used as the logo for Parrot... Did you mean Rakudo here ? Parrot seems to have a logo already. > > A carbon ring also has the advantages that it's regognizable as a very > small logo, even as just a favicon.ico, and can be reasonably if > stylistically represented in simple ASCII art. You can even put a tail > off the top to look like 6-ish, or if you have real art skills, > superimpose a Pearl into the hexagon with a little "VI" (both a Roman > numeral and a vague homage to the text editor of it's UNIX roots). > > Yes, lots of inside jokes, but that's part of the community thing -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 09:16 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf It's nice but I don't get it. google: camelia http://camelia.sourceforge.net/ http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plants/camelia/ http://www.hotelcamelia.com/ http://akira.ruc.dk/~camelia/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelia_Potec ok ... i'm still not getting it ... google: camelia butterfly still flowers http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordv/with/3362403260/ spelled with two ls ... must be bactrian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:24 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to > go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something [snip] > In addition, you can extend just about anything by attaching "P6" > wings to it. I also take it as a given that we want to discourage > misogyny in our community. You of the masculine persuasion should I was unaware of mysogyny in the perl community. I'm sorry to hear about it. > consider it an opportunity to show off your sensitive side. :) > > Hence, Camelia. So "P6" wings on a parrot would do for rakudo then. -- --gh
RE: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: > Here's my latest suggestion: > > http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm > > It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) > and Ross Kendall's suggestions at > (http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas). > > For a smaller sized Rakudo logo, > just remove the text between the proposed Perl 6 logo > and the Parrot logo. For the small logo, you could super-impose the Parrot on top of the molecule ... and for pugs: http://www.bnpositive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/starwars-pugs.jpg or you could select something more tasteful from: http://images.google.com/images?q=pug&oe=utf-8&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi > > The proposed Perl 6 logo is a coronene molecule > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronene). > -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 21:10 +0100, James Fuller wrote: > creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such > things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more > professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of I hate the java stuff (professional). I don't think much of the debian stuff either (amateur). Some of the things suggested here have been pretty good. [snip] > Is there any sponsorship money to spend on a very good graphic > designer to create something based on a small list of requirements as > to what meaning it should convey ? How was the parrot logo created ?? I saw a suggestion here that it is professionally designed but that wasn't confirmed. It looks good enough to me regardless. I don't see a problem with a long list ... > > Of course the logo should represent the community fundamentally, but I > find all of the suggestions little to do with addressing needs of a > logo versus needs of what I would call more of a 'club' badge. ... I see the suggestions here as necessary input. > > I mention these concerns because I would like perl6 to be adopted to > as wide a developer audience as possible. I don't think the logo will make much difference. I don't particularly care much about *what* the logo is or *how* it is created. I've only been offering comments as feedback to the people who are actually working on it. Beauty is better than not. > > my 2p, Jim Fuller > [snip] -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:37 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention that Camelia's larval form was a dromedary, well that might have given us a clue > and she's actually got a wingspan of about 3 meters. You really > don't want to get her mad. (It is rumored that she has a very > small hump, but if so, she shows it only to her close friends.) is there a six tape ? > She was genetically engineered while metamorphizing and can change > the colors of her wings to match or contrast with her surroundings, > depending on whether she wants to hide or be noticed. > > Camelia is terrifically excited to be considered for the Perl 6 > mascot. :) the P6 parrot is appropriately intimidated and withdraws its candidacy ... > > Larry -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 10:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > In response to those asking for a professional designer, I'd like to > see us go around a few more times here, and see if we can't come up with at > least a good concept that could hopefully be used/stylised by a real graphic > designer, so that we might end up with something like the Parrot logo. +1 (and most of the rest too) > > Now that Larry's provided some criteria, let round 2 of the design > process begin! I think this originally came up a few weeks ago ... seems more like round 3 to me ;-) -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed
Not speaking for Larry but ... On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > My understanding was that Rakudo only runs on top of Parrot. Either > way, I don't see why we need a logo for Parrot + Rakudo, any more than we need I think it's a logo for Rakudo = Parrot + Perl6. One set of ideas is: 6 Rakudo P where: A) 'Rakudo' is an elegent, textual representation of "rakudo" (6 on P) B) 6 is the perl6 logo -- larry's camelia butterfly, a palm tree, benzene, camelia flower ... C) P is the existing parrot logo Let's look at what might be done with those (not to exclude any other ideas, of course). The textual part (A) would probably used standalone. The other two parts are already appropriate for that. Further more any of (depending on the design): D) 6P E) P super-imposed on top of 6 F) P speaking 6 might be used as mini logos. > > separate logos for Perl on Linux and Perl on Windows. > > Or, to look at it a different way, I thought the definition of Rakudo > *is* that it's "Perl 6 on Parrot". > > Additionally, while you recommended Camelia for Rakudo, my > understanding was that Larry was recommending it for Perl 6 rather than > Rakudo. I think he was offering it as an example and a suggestion. The perl6 community might favor it out of respect for Larry but I think he went out of his way to make it clear that it's the kind of thing he would like. The mini-logo ideas E and F would not work well with the Camelia butterfly but I don't think that's an important consideration. These things tend to take on a life of their own after they are finally designed. -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed
On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 09:59 -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:36:56AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > > Rakudo is a particular implementation of Perl 6 using Parrot. While > > it is a separate project from both Perl 6 and Parrot, it is intimately > > tied to both, and I think its logo should reflect that. I don't see > > much point in having separate logos for "Rakudo on Parrot" and "Rakudo > > without Parrot". I mean, I suppose much of the frontend work could be > > ported to a different backend, but would that still be considered > > Rakudo? > > I don't know that I consider Rakudo Perl to be forever tied to Parrot. > If we come up with other backends, I'd still consider the result > "Rakudo"; similar to how "Pugs" referred to all of the various backends > available to it and not just the Haskell backend. that's very interesting > > So from that perspective, I don't know that the Rakudo logo ought > to be strongly tied to Parrot, any more than we tie the Parrot logo > to the various GNU tools used to build it. still looks like: 6 Rakudo P will work for the interim as long as Rakudo is separable > > Pm -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed
On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 09:39 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:54:34AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: > : On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > : > Additionally, while you recommended Camelia for Rakudo, my > : > understanding was that Larry was recommending it for Perl 6 rather than > : > Rakudo. > > This is correct. Patrick has the final say on Rakudo's logo. Here is something then: http://p6.hpfamily.net/rakudo-0.png Shamelessly gimped up from: http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm and from Larry's camelia image. [snip] > So let me summarize the requirements into a meta-requirement: > > The new logo must make Larry at least as happy as Camelia does. If anyone likes this and Larry is happy, I have some in-house artists with gimp skills far superior to my own who might be persuaded to work on it tonight. > > That is the extent to which my mind is still open... :-) > > Larry -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed
On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 18:06 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > : Here is something then: > : http://p6.hpfamily.net/rakudo-0.png > > I like Camelia at that size, though the left-right balance is off in a > couple ways. i was informed of that but so far this is just rescaling and cut-and-paste > > : > So let me summarize the requirements into a meta-requirement: > : > > : > The new logo must make Larry at least as happy as Camelia > does. > : > : If anyone likes this and Larry is happy, I have some in-house > artists > : with gimp skills far superior to my own who might be persuaded to > work > : on it tonight. mid-terms ... will have to put this off for a few days > > Well, I don't have to be persuaded, and I'm my own in-house artist > (well, I have Geneva too, who's just as good at that as I am--okay, > maybe she's better--and I also bummed a certain amount of gimp advice > from Lewis). So anyway, I thought I'd take a crack at a 16x16 > Camelia. > I think this does tolerable fair as a favicon: > > http://www.wall.org/~larry/cameliafav.ico > > To be honest, I thought I'd have to simplify her a lot more than > turned > out to be necessary. Hand-crafted anti-aliasing is your friend. :) -- --gh
