Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?
I'm about to publish some blog posts with using Perl 6 to demonstrate some cryptographic primitives. I was thinking about calling it "rakudo" to at least intrigue people and make them google it. Couldn't we call the language rakudo and the implementation nqp-rakudo? (ie a rakudo implementation in nqp) LL On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:02 AM Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:55:54PM +, raiph mellor wrote: > > (Perl) Rakudo > > === > > > > If jnthn and pmichaud and larry can warm to this idea, then: > > [...] > > The 'Perl' could be dropped from Rakudo specific propaganda, > > calling the language just Rakudo instead, to reinforce that it refers > > to 6e and beyond. But the Perl could be retained in any material > > covering both Raptor and Rakudo as a reunified tech / community. > > FWIW, I am VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea of naming a language after its > implementation. I've seen the confusion it causes in other environments > and we ought not repeat that mistake here, especially since we don't have > to. > > Whatever things end up being called, don't confuse the implementation(s) > with the language definition. > > Pm >
A proposal for Perl's branding - let's free all the butterflies
Here is a suggestion for Perl's branding: http://nigelhamilton.com/perl-branding-proposal.html
Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?
If we assume the use of NQP is part of the project's identity, then yes that makes sense. Historically that wasn't the case, eg the earlier Rakudo were written to Parrot PIR directly, and there's the possibility this could change again, though I see that as unlikely. Not a bad idea. -- Darren Duncan On 2018-02-16 3:07 AM, Lloyd Fournier wrote: I'm about to publish some blog posts with using Perl 6 to demonstrate some cryptographic primitives. I was thinking about calling it "rakudo" to at least intrigue people and make them google it. Couldn't we call the language rakudo and the implementation nqp-rakudo? (ie a rakudo implementation in nqp) LL On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:02 AM Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:55:54PM +, raiph mellor wrote: > (Perl) Rakudo > === > > If jnthn and pmichaud and larry can warm to this idea, then: > [...] > The 'Perl' could be dropped from Rakudo specific propaganda, > calling the language just Rakudo instead, to reinforce that it refers > to 6e and beyond. But the Perl could be retained in any material > covering both Raptor and Rakudo as a reunified tech / community. FWIW, I am VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea of naming a language after its implementation. I've seen the confusion it causes in other environments and we ought not repeat that mistake here, especially since we don't have to. Whatever things end up being called, don't confuse the implementation(s) with the language definition. Pm
Re: A proposal for Perl's branding - let's free all the butterflies
On 2018-02-16 11:15 AM, Nigel Hamilton wrote: Here is a suggestion for Perl's branding: http://nigelhamilton.com/perl-branding-proposal.html I like your proposal. But its details would need fleshing out more, particularly at the end, where it says this: Perl $new_runtime_name_for_perl5_goes_here (tm) Perl $new-runtime-name-for-perl6-goes-here (tm) That implies that the only things being branded this way are runtimes, and not the languages themselves, which I thought was meant to be under that umbrella. So for example: Perl $new_language_name_for_perl5_goes_here (tm) Perl $new-language-name-for-perl6-goes-here (tm) -- Darren Duncan
Re: A proposal for Perl's branding - let's free all the butterflies
> Here is a suggestion for Perl's branding: >> >> http://nigelhamilton.com/perl-branding-proposal.html >> > > I like your proposal. > > :-) > But its details would need fleshing out more, particularly at the end, > where it says this: > > Perl $new_runtime_name_for_perl5_goes_here (tm) > Perl $new-runtime-name-for-perl6-goes-here (tm) > > This was just to highlight the need for different $runtime names to avoid collisions on the command-line. You make a good point about the language $dialect name - this may or may not be the same as the $runtime name. The proposal has been updated now: http://nigelhamilton.com/perl-branding-proposal.html
Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?
Marketing is not only about branding. It is also about finding Evangelists. Perl's traditional base was in - Web Development, - Text Processing, - Bio-Informatics and - As a general glue language among the sys admin and EDA community. How many of these sectors are moving away or have moved away from Perl? What is the game plan for bringing them back? - How many courses are there today on Coursera or Other MOOCS which use Perl to teach one of the above? - If I wanted to learn something new today, rather than plod through 300 pages of a book I would signup for a course and spend the time in watching the course material and doing the assignments. - When I wanted to learn DataScience, courses using R and Python were readily available. Even though I had been using Perl for 20 years, I did not even know where to start in the Perl ecosystem! I believe along with re branding we also need powerful narratives about how Modern Perl and P6 are better than their competitors in the selected domains. Regards Vijay On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: > If we assume the use of NQP is part of the project's identity, then yes > that makes sense. Historically that wasn't the case, eg the earlier Rakudo > were written to Parrot PIR directly, and there's the possibility this could > change again, though I see that as unlikely. Not a bad idea. -- Darren > Duncan > > On 2018-02-16 3:07 AM, Lloyd Fournier wrote: > >> I'm about to publish some blog posts with using Perl 6 to demonstrate >> some cryptographic primitives. I was thinking about calling it "rakudo" to >> at least intrigue people and make them google it. Couldn't we call the >> language rakudo and the implementation nqp-rakudo? (ie a rakudo >> implementation in nqp) >> >> LL >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:02 AM Patrick R. Michaud wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:55:54PM +, raiph mellor wrote: >> > (Perl) Rakudo >> > === >> > >> > If jnthn and pmichaud and larry can warm to this idea, then: >> > [...] >> > The 'Perl' could be dropped from Rakudo specific propaganda, >> > calling the language just Rakudo instead, to reinforce that it >> refers >> > to 6e and beyond. But the Perl could be retained in any material >> > covering both Raptor and Rakudo as a reunified tech / community. >> >> FWIW, I am VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea of naming a language after its >> implementation. I've seen the confusion it causes in other >> environments and >> we ought not repeat that mistake here, especially since we don't have >> to. >> >> Whatever things end up being called, don't confuse the >> implementation(s) >> with the language definition. >> >> Pm >> >> -- https://www.facebook.com/vijayvithal.jahagirdar https://twitter.com/jahagirdar_vs http://democracies-janitor.blogspot.in/
