zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[dan thompson]

I hope this isn't off topic.  But has anyone here who is totally blind been 
able to use zenstone?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: More digital recorder questions

[Steve Matzura]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:46 -0700, you wrote:

>Ok, Olympus now has two new whizbang recorders, the DM420  and DM 520.  Any
>thoughts on either of these two?  Price is right I think.  

Nice review of the 420 at
http://www.recorders.com/olympus-dm-420-dm420-pr-16396-c-258.html?ppc=google&gclid=CKavyranvJ0CFRBM5QodQG_ijg
-- The 520 is the same machine but with 4 gigs onboard instead of 2
for an extra 50 dollars U.S.  Both take up to a 16-GB Micro SD card.

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burning cds from mp3s and wma nightmares with jaws

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RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, absolutely, however there are a few different flavors of the Zen Stone.
If you're talking about one of the Zen Stones that doesn't have a display
then it's totally accessible. There's no display for the blind or the
sighted alike, so it's just as accessible for the blind as it is the
sighted. The Zen Stone with External Speaker is one such model of the Zen
Stone. The original Zen Stone is another. There's also the Zen Stone Plus,
which has a display. I don't have any personal experience with this model,
to know if a blind person can get used to navigating the different menus.
Also, if the model has an FM radio then it would be a model with a display.


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Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Arthur Barney]

Yes, if you buy Zenstone with speaker, it is accessible.
It has know display, so it's the same with blind users, as well as sighted 
users. 



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zenstone versus the ipod

[Lauren]

Hi, 

i am in the market for a player that I can use to play and download songs from. 
I am wondering which is the most accessible for a totally blind person, has 
good memory, is easy to sue and cost? I heard the Ipod touch is accessible, but 
wonder if anyone has actual experience with it? 


Sincerely,

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Re: re infra recorder

[Steve Matzura]

Hi, Brian:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:33:11 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi list, if anyone out there is using infra recorder to burn discs, i 
>could do with some help. i have installed it, and found where to 
>choose burn disc or image. so, when i try to copy some folders on to 
>a disc, i can't find out how to highlight the folders i want to burn. 
>i find the folder where they are, but when i try to put them on the 
>disc, all i get is an empty folder in my own name, that is brian. i 
>have tried to use help, but am not doing very well. if anyone can 
>help, either by putting a message on this list, or by coming to me 
>direct, i would be grateful. brian.

I just did this for another reader of this list, let's see if my
instructions will help you.

1.  Open InfraRecorder either from the desktop icon (Windows_key M to
get to the desktop and minimize all other applications) or the Start
menu (Windows_key p, then i as many times as it takes to find the
InfraRecorder submenu, then either right-arrow or enter to open it,
the program is the first item on that inside submenu, so press ENTER
to open it.  Arrow keys will navigate menus just like tree views, but
only ENTER will open the lowest-level item on a menu, which usually
starts a program running).

2.  From the File menu Alt_F) select new project, then either data CD
or Data DVD, depending on what medium you want to create.  The
cursor is placed on the CD view of the new project.  The default name
(disc label) for the compilation and disc is the current date and time
in yymmdd_hhmm format (as in 090715_1126).  This can be changed later
with F2, once some files are placed on the disc before actually
burning it.

3.  This is actually the most difficult part of the program, as it is
the reverse of standard Windows Explorer operation.  The order of
panels in this program is backward to standard Windows
convention--that is to say, the next two panels will be first
low-level, such as files, then high-level, such as folders.  One
exception:  The first TAB stop after the project disc folder view is a
null
or blank tab.  The next tab stop is the low-level view and the next
tab the higher- or up-one-level view of any other disk on the system
or network.  Low-level lists can be expanded by finding the desired
folder and pressing ENTER, or by using the right-arrow key in the
one-level-higher-up tree view.  Think of it as a Windows Explorer
view, but backwards.  Windows show high level first, then
nexst-lower-level, InfraRecorder shows low-level, then
next-higher-level.

4.  Folders can be opened by pressing  ENTER on their name in the
folder view list view or by pressing right-arrow in the tree view
right next door.  

5.  Select files to be added to the compilation by navigating to the
desired folder in the tree view, then shift-tabbing back to the file
view to select the individual files.  Files are selected from the
folder view list view by finding the first desired file in the usual
Windows way, then by either holding down either shift key and arrowing
up or down to select a series of files contiguous to each other in the
list, or by holding down either Control key, then using the up- or
down-arrow to move through the list and pressing the space bar to
select the desired item(s).  WARNING!  While it is possible to take
one's hands off the keyboard to relieve pressure or to think about
what's to be done next, remember not to press any alphanumeric keys,
the arrow keys or the space bar while in this view or the file
selection will change.

5.  From the Edit menu (Alt_E) select the add submenu and choose
either all or selected.  If all files in a folder are desired to be
added to the compilation, the previous selection step is not required;
simply choose the add all option to accomplish this.

6.  Tab back to the tree view and repeat steps 4 and 5 until the
compilation selection process is complete.

7.  Creating New Folders on the target disc is accomplished by moving
to the disc tree view, the one with the project name as the top folder
name, and selecting  new folder from the Edit menu (Alt_E).  Be
careful, though, where the selector bar is positioned in this tree
view, or folders may not appear in the desired hierarchy.  All new
folders are created with the default name of "New folder" and should
be renamed by highlighting their name and using the F2 key to prompt
for a new name.  Folder names on the compilation disc appear just like
they do on the source disc tree view.

8.  When the compilation is ready for burning, Pull down the Actions
menu with Alt_A, then select the burn compilation menu and then the
"to compact disc" submenu, and follow the dialog prompts.

9.  Miscellaneous.  It is possible to tell how much space the files on
the currently open compilation will take up by routing the JAWSCursor
to the PCCursor, then going down the screen and reading the bottom
line in the window.  Normally, you can do this with the JAWS key
combination of JAWS key plus keypad_3 (re

Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Ray]

Lauren, the Zenstone, if it's still around, is far simpler than an Ipod
orItouch.  The Zenstone's sound quality is good and there's not much of a
learning curv either.  You can simply copy files or folders containgcontaining
.mp3 files to the Zenstone, whereas the Apple products I am pretty certain,
require the use of ITunes.  that's a whole steep learning curv in itself.




Ray

Lauren wrote:
Hi,

i am in the market for a player that I can use to play and download songs
from. I am wondering which is the most accessible for a totally blind person,
has good memory, is easy to sue and cost? I heard the Ipod touch is
accessible, but wonder if anyone has actual experience with it?


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Infra-Recorder

[Steve Matzura]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:15:33 -0700, you wrote:

>When I went to install InfraRecorder, there were six buttons 
>which neither JFW nor Window Eyes would read.  I believe but 
>do not know with certainty that one was for installing the 
>Google tool bar.  Can anyone tell me the names for each of 
>those six buttons which one sees when one launches the 
>InfraRecorder install screen?

Did you get your installation file from Uberdownloads?  The reason I
ask is that my install file didn't have those things in it, but I
think the Uberdownloads one does.  Best thing to do is get rid of that
one and get the real one from Source Forge.

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Re: Fwd: News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind

[Steve Matzura]

I must be bloody stupid or something, for, as many of these EyeBlink
ads as I've seen, I've not been able to locate the app on the Apple
Store site.  What am I doing wrong?

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:47:55 +1100, you wrote:

> From:Serotek Announcements nore...@serotek.com
>
>NEWS RELEASE
>
>Media Contact:
>:p...@serotek.com
>612.720.1068
>
>Technical Contact :
>:i...@serotek.com
>
>  Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind
>iBlink Radio available in App Store
>
>MINNEAPOLIS, Minn – October 9, 2009 – 
>www.serotek.com Serotek Corporation, the 
>leading provider of internet and digital 
>information accessibility software and services, 
>introduced a third-party iPhone application today 
>specifically designed for those who are blind or 
>have low vision. Now available in the App Store, 
>the application is called iBlink Radio™ and is 
>the first such application to be introduced in the world.
>
>iBlink Radio allows people to listen to podcasts, 
>radio stations and reading services produced by and for the blind community.
>
>The reading service section of iBlink Radio 
>provides audio versions of newspapers, magazines 
>and periodicals for anyone unable to read the 
>printed page, regardless of disability. Daily 
>newspapers include USA 
>Today, Wall Street Journal 
>and the New York Times.
>
>Listeners can also access all known radio 
>stations owned and operated by the blind, and the 
>podcast section offers topics ranging from technology to cooking.
>
>“The iPhone is a great platform for doing just 
>about anything, whether it be learning something 
>new or just jamming to some great tunes,” said 
>Mike Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, “iBlink 
>Radio represents all that and more; it marks 
>another step toward inclusion for all.”
>
>While the application offers a convenient way for 
>the blind community to stay connected, the 
>application is available to everyone, blind or 
>sighted. In addition to being of great interest 
>to those who are blind or have partial sight, 
>iBlink Radio is also invaluable resource to 
>family members, friends and professionals serving this community.
>
>For additional information, visit 
>www.serotek.com/eyeblink
>.
>Serotek Corporation
>
>Serotek Corporation is a leading technology 
>company that develops software and manufactures 
>accessibility solutions under the System Access 
>brand. Committed to the mission of providing 
>accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the 
>launch of the first online community specifically 
>designed to meet the needs of people with visual 
>impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced 
>several powerful, affordable solutions that 
>require minimal training and investment. For more 
>information, visit www.serotek.com.
>
>Editors Note: Product names, brands and other 
>trademarks featured or referred to are the 
>property of their respective trademark holders. 
>These trademark holders are not affiliated with 
>Accessible Event and do not sponsor or endorse these materials.
>
>Regards Steve
>Email:  s...@internode.on.net
>MSN Messenger:  internetuser...@hotmail.com
>Skype:  steve1963
>Twitter:  steve9782

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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Dane trethowan]

Thanks for posting this, I had recommended the Zenstone in the past  
but I was told that the newer models aren't accessible? I'm not sure  
if this is true or not as I haven't seen one in a while but -  
supposing it is - then an Ipod Nano - particularly one of the newer  
models with Voiceover built-in - would be worth considering.


An Ipod touch maybe but they're getting rather expensive whereas a  
Nano is more in the price range of a Zenstone.


You also get many of the features I recall being on the Zenstone  
player such as FM radio, Memo voice recording and son on, all fully  
accessible.



On 14/10/2009, at 11:10 PM, Ray wrote:

Lauren, the Zenstone, if it's still around, is far simpler than an  
Ipod
orItouch.  The Zenstone's sound quality is good and there's not much  
of a
learning curv either.  You can simply copy files or folders  
containgcontaining
.mp3 files to the Zenstone, whereas the Apple products I am pretty  
certain,
require the use of ITunes.  that's a whole steep learning curv in  
itself.





Ray

Lauren wrote:
Hi,

i am in the market for a player that I can use to play and download  
songs
from. I am wondering which is the most accessible for a totally  
blind person,

has good memory, is easy to sue and cost? I heard the Ipod touch is
accessible, but wonder if anyone has actual experience with it?


Sincerely,

Lauren
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serotek app for iphone

[Gery Gaubert]

If you justsearch while in the app store for iblink radio you should find it.

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zenstone verses ipod

[Gery Gaubert]

>From what I heard and that is a very little bit of a demon on my local news is 
>that the zenstone requires you 2 pay $12.00 each month to get music and if you 
>stop paying all the zenstone lets you keep is 10 songs from the zenstone 
>market place.  Unlike apple where you don't have to pay a monthly fee and if 
>you bought it you keep it.  Of course you can use other music that you get 
>from other sources.  Not sure about .aac files that you get from itunes aut 
>even with them there are ways around it.

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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not familiar with the newer models of the Zen Stone. The last one I 
got was a 4G Zen Stone with External Speaker. Ray's right. It just shows 
up as an external storage device, on your PC so you only need Windows 
Explorer to copy music over to it. You don't need an application like 
itunes.


Unless the newer Xen Stones have gotten a big larger, more sophisticated 
and more expensive, they compare mor to the iPod Shuffle than the iPod 
Nano. Also, the newest iPod Shuffle and iPod Nano don't use Voice Over, 
like the iPhones and iPod Touch does. Instead, you can use iTunes to 
copy over voice clips to the Shuffle or the Nano to have the menus, 
files and folders spoken to you. this is similar to the way Rockbox works.




--
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Dane trethowan wrote:
Thanks for posting this, I had recommended the Zenstone in the past 
but I was told that the newer models aren't accessible? I'm not sure 
if this is true or not as I haven't seen one in a while but - 
supposing it is - then an Ipod Nano - particularly one of the newer 
models with Voiceover built-in - would be worth considering.


An Ipod touch maybe but they're getting rather expensive whereas a 
Nano is more in the price range of a Zenstone.


You also get many of the features I recall being on the Zenstone 
player such as FM radio, Memo voice recording and son on, all fully 
accessible.



On 14/10/2009, at 11:10 PM, Ray wrote:


Lauren, the Zenstone, if it's still around, is far simpler than an Ipod
orItouch.  The Zenstone's sound quality is good and there's not much 
of a
learning curv either.  You can simply copy files or folders 
containgcontaining
.mp3 files to the Zenstone, whereas the Apple products I am pretty 
certain,
require the use of ITunes.  that's a whole steep learning curv in 
itself.





Ray

Lauren wrote:
Hi,

i am in the market for a player that I can use to play and download 
songs
from. I am wondering which is the most accessible for a totally blind 
person,

has good memory, is easy to sue and cost? I heard the Ipod touch is
accessible, but wonder if anyone has actual experience with it?


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Sylvia]

I had a zen stone plus with a display, and at first, it was difficult to use 
until another blind user explained how to make it more user friendly. In all 
honesty, I wouldn't recommend the zen stone plus to anyone. I haven't tried 
the other models, but I think I'll just stick with the Ipod nano.


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Subject: RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users


Yes, absolutely, however there are a few different flavors of the Zen Stone.
If you're talking about one of the Zen Stones that doesn't have a display
then it's totally accessible. There's no display for the blind or the
sighted alike, so it's just as accessible for the blind as it is the
sighted. The Zen Stone with External Speaker is one such model of the Zen
Stone. The original Zen Stone is another. There's also the Zen Stone Plus,
which has a display. I don't have any personal experience with this model,
to know if a blind person can get used to navigating the different menus.
Also, if the model has an FM radio then it would be a model with a display.


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Subject: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

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able to use zenstone?
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RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[John Chilelli]

Hi Christopher and all,

Does anyone know if there are any more 2gb or more Zen Stones around 
anywhere these days?


Thanks,

John,
Happy student

At 07:00 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote:

Yes, absolutely, however there are a few different flavors of the Zen Stone.
If you're talking about one of the Zen Stones that doesn't have a display
then it's totally accessible. There's no display for the blind or the
sighted alike, so it's just as accessible for the blind as it is the
sighted. The Zen Stone with External Speaker is one such model of the Zen
Stone. The original Zen Stone is another. There's also the Zen Stone Plus,
which has a display. I don't have any personal experience with this model,
to know if a blind person can get used to navigating the different menus.
Also, if the model has an FM radio then it would be a model with a display.


--
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chalt...@gmail.com




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Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Leslie]

I've used the one giggabyte and the two giggabyte ones.
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Subject: zenstone for totally blind comuter users


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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Laz Mesa]

Well, I can say that I've tried the Zen Stone, which was a screenless
one; I've tried Rockbox on a Sansa; and I've tried a 4th generation
iPod Nano.  IN the past, I had also tried a Samsung Pebble and a
chinese-made mp3 player, both of which were screenless.  I have to say
that the Rockboxed Sansa was most impressive to me.  It definitely has
more bang for the buck, and I found it to be the most-accessible
option for under $100.00 for 2, 4, 6, or 8 GB, expandable memory, FM
stereo, voice notes, recording from FM, and playes many different file
types, while speaking the menus and being able to set up your folder
and file names to be spoken as well.

>From personal experience, i must say that the learning curve on the
iPod side seems a lot more complicated when compared to Rockbox on the
Sansa players.  Also with the iPods, you have to get used to using
iTunes as well!  With the Rockboxed Sansa, all you have to do is to
copy and paste your files onto your player and off you go.

If you'd like to check out what a Sansa can do, you can check out a
demo I did which can be downloaded at:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwwyy8

You can also check out the links in my signature below for more
information on how to get a Sansa MP3 player for yourself at an
affordable price.

Regards,

Laz
-- 
Need an accessible talking portable media player?  We have several
models available!  Play MP3, WMA, OGG Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, AIFF, WAV,
and more.  Record from FM radio or built-in mic.  Expandable memory.
Great book marking capabilities too!

* SanDisk Sansa E260 media player with 4 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/sandisk.html

* SanDisk Sansa E270 media player with 6 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/e270.html

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jukebox application

[Jim Ruby]

Hi, is there something out there that would turn my computer in to a jukebox
so someone that does not have any computer skills could select and queue up
songs to play and hopefully it would work well with window-eyes and maybe be
free or not very expensive?


Thank you.



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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Tai Blas]

How much memory would you want? I have a new zen stone that I am  
willing to sell.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:58 AM, "Lauren"  wrote:


Hi,

i am in the market for a player that I can use to play and download  
songs from. I am wondering which is the most accessible for a  
totally blind person, has good memory, is easy to sue and cost? I  
heard the Ipod touch is accessible, but wonder if anyone has actual  
experience with it?



Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[robert Doc Wright]

I have two. Mine are the zenstone with speaker. they have software you can 
download to upload files to the player.
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Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[robert Doc Wright]

go to creative labs refurbish page there may be some there.
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To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users



Hi Christopher and all,

Does anyone know if there are any more 2gb or more Zen Stones around 
anywhere these days?


Thanks,

John,
Happy student

At 07:00 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote:
Yes, absolutely, however there are a few different flavors of the Zen 
Stone.

If you're talking about one of the Zen Stones that doesn't have a display
then it's totally accessible. There's no display for the blind or the
sighted alike, so it's just as accessible for the blind as it is the
sighted. The Zen Stone with External Speaker is one such model of the Zen
Stone. The original Zen Stone is another. There's also the Zen Stone Plus,
which has a display. I don't have any personal experience with this model,
to know if a blind person can get used to navigating the different menus.
Also, if the model has an FM radio then it would be a model with a 
display.



--
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Subject: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

I hope this isn't off topic.  But has anyone here who is totally blind 
been

able to use zenstone?
Thanks in advance.


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re infra recorder

[brian parker]

Hi steve, thanks for your message. i am not doing too well with it 
yet, as i got new project, but couldn't find add to compilation. i am 
still trying. it does seem somewhat complicated compared to burn for 
free. brian.



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Re: serotek app for iphone

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:50:14 -0500, you wrote:

>If you justsearch while in the app store for iblink radio you should find it.

I did, and I didn't.

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Re: jukebox application

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:30 -0500, you wrote:

>is there something out there that would turn my computer in to a jukebox
>so someone that does not have any computer skills could select and queue up
>songs to play and hopefully it would work well with window-eyes and maybe be
>free or not very expensive?

If they don't have any computer skills, what kind of interface would
you have them use?  Telephone and voice recognition?  Do you want the
ability to cue music to be local or remote?  Will the playback be over
local audio device or Internet-streamed?  Will the end user be blind
or sighted?

There used to be a device the size of one rack space whose name I
forget which was ideal for this very purpose.  The Windows or Linux
server shared an XML file with titles of streamable material and
streamed it to the aforementioned device.  The device itself was
Linux-based and there was loose talk about adding speech capability to
the interface, but unfortunately the hardware stopped being made and
supported, hence, so did the software.

There is a package from oddsock.org that will do what you want, but it
takes a good level of computer skill to set it up at the
broadcast/streaming end, and definitely a computer with a browser to
select the material from the user end.  Go to http://www.oddsock.org
and see if it's still there and maybe it might meet your needs.

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Re: re infra recorder

[Steve Matzura]

Hi again, Brian:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:07:17 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi steve, thanks for your message. i am not doing too well with it 
>yet, as i got new project, but couldn't find add to compilation. i am 
>still trying. it does seem somewhat complicated compared to burn for 
>free. brian.

I'll check out Burn for Free.

There is no "Add to compilation" per se, it's a menu selection on the
Edit menu as described in my documentation message.  You have to
select the file(s) you want added, then either select the correct kind
of add from the edit menu or click the appropriate button (I didn't
even discuss the buttons since there's menu options for most, if not
all of the important ones).

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RE: serotek app for iphone

[Paul Henrichsen]

Put a space between I and blink


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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:22 PM
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Subject: Re: serotek app for iphone

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:50:14 -0500, you wrote:

>If you justsearch while in the app store for iblink radio you should find
it.

I did, and I didn't.

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Re: serotek app for iphone

[Steve Matzura]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:57:41 -0700, you wrote:

>Put a space between I and blink

Apple - Search Results for 'i blink radio'

...

About 2 results found for 'i blink radio'.

Did you mean 
i blinck radio? 

Downloads
1 result of about 1

Apple - Downloads - Dashboard Widgets - Festive Lights
Twinkling lights for any occasion.


1 Result Shown

iTunes
1 result


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Re: re infra recorder

[Donald L. Roberts]

I just wanted to thank Steve Matsura for the heads-up on 
where to find the InfraRecorder program without the 
additional craplets.  This thing is great although thus far 
I have burned only one data disc.  I am impressed by the 
fact that there is even an option to burn gapless 
compilations.  One question, if I may.  Since I have not yet 
burned an audio cd, is there a normalizing option?  One 
more, please.  Is there an option to change the length of 
pauses between tracks on an audio cd?  On some compilations, 
I want a three-second gap.

Thanks.

Don Roberts



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To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: re infra recorder


Hi again, Brian:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:07:17 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi steve, thanks for your message. i am not doing too well 
>with it
>yet, as i got new project, but couldn't find add to 
>compilation. i am
>still trying. it does seem somewhat complicated compared to 
>burn for
>free. brian.

I'll check out Burn for Free.

There is no "Add to compilation" per se, it's a menu 
selection on the
Edit menu as described in my documentation message.  You 
have to
select the file(s) you want added, then either select the 
correct kind
of add from the edit menu or click the appropriate button (I 
didn't
even discuss the buttons since there's menu options for 
most, if not
all of the important ones).

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where can I get this audio environment called, alien life form?

[Randy Tijerina]

Friends, I'd like to know where can i get this cool thing that was or is 
in the soundblaster thing called, alien lifeform. My sound blaster 
doesn't have it. Can those types of things be installed?

Thanks. Randy.

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Re: jukebox application

[Steve Pattison]

Hi Jim,

I have two suggestions that might help here.  First of all if the
computer is running Window-Eyes 7.11 perhaps using Winamp with Jeff
Bishop's excellent scripts for Winamp available at www.gwmicro.com/sc might
be suitable.  The second suggestion is a product called Digital Jukebox
from Marvelsoft.  This product for Windows is a talking jukebox designed
to be used by blind people.  It can either be used in a self-voicing
mode or with a screen reader.  For more information about this product
go to www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Digital+Jukebox.  I haven't
tried this product so I don't know how well it works.

Regards Steve.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:30 -0500
"Jim Ruby"  wrote:
> Hi, is there something out there that would turn my computer in to a jukebox
> so someone that does not have any computer skills could select and queue up
> songs to play and hopefully it would work well with window-eyes and maybe be
> free or not very expensive?

Regards Steve
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MSN Messenger:  internetuser...@hotmail.com
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Re: jukebox application

[Tiffany Gordon]

I've tried the Digital Jukebox and had trouble with it getting it to work 
and play the songs.


Tiffany


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From: "Steve Pattison" 

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: jukebox application



Hi Jim,

I have two suggestions that might help here.  First of all if the
computer is running Window-Eyes 7.11 perhaps using Winamp with Jeff
Bishop's excellent scripts for Winamp available at www.gwmicro.com/sc 
might

be suitable.  The second suggestion is a product called Digital Jukebox
from Marvelsoft.  This product for Windows is a talking jukebox designed
to be used by blind people.  It can either be used in a self-voicing
mode or with a screen reader.  For more information about this product
go to www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Digital+Jukebox.  I haven't
tried this product so I don't know how well it works.

Regards Steve.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:30 -0500
"Jim Ruby"  wrote:
Hi, is there something out there that would turn my computer in to a 
jukebox
so someone that does not have any computer skills could select and queue 
up
songs to play and hopefully it would work well with window-eyes and maybe 
be

free or not very expensive?


Regards Steve
Email:  s...@internode.on.net
MSN Messenger:  internetuser...@hotmail.com
Skype:  steve1963
Twitter:  steve9782

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Re: Sound Forge Versions/names; what they should cost approximately; and which version should I get that is the most accessible (version8,9, or 10)

[Victoria Vaughan]

Thanks Mat!
Vicky
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From: "Matthew Bullis" 

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Sound Forge Versions/names; what they should cost 
approximately; and which version should I get that is the most accessible 
(version8,9, or 10)



Perhaps you could get the $35 version of Sound Forge to put the records 
onto the hard disc in .wav file format, and then try out Depopper from

www.depopper.com
for 30 days. If you like the results of Depopper as I do, you could buy 
that for just under $20. I've enjoyed Depopper for eight years now.

Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Christopher Chaltain]

It is true that you can use the program Creative Media Lite to rip from
CD's, check the battery level, update the firmware, reformat the Zen Stone
and copy music over to it, but you don't need to use this software just to
copy music or other media files over. When you plug the Zen Stone into your
PC's USB port, it shows up as a removable drive. You can then just use
Windows Explorer to copy music over to the Zen Stone.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

I have two. Mine are the zenstone with speaker. they have software you can
download to upload files to the player.
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To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: zenstone for totally blind comuter users


>I hope this isn't off topic.  But has anyone here who is totally blind 
>been able to use zenstone?
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: re infra recorder

[Steve Matzura]

Hi, Don:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:01:26 -0700, you wrote:

>I just wanted to thank Steve Matsura for the heads-up on 
>where to find the InfraRecorder program without the 
>additional craplets.  

You're most welcome.  I hate, despise, abhor, and eschew all such
repackagings.

>Since I have not yet 
>burned an audio cd, is there a normalizing option?  

No.  This is a bare-bones program with no audio intervention options
at all.

>Is there an option to change the length of 
>pauses between tracks on an audio cd?  

No.  If you want a bigger gap, I'd advise adding the extra dead air to
either the end of the previous track or the beginning of the next.

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RE: zenstone versus the ipod

[Christopher Chaltain]

I totally agree, and I've since retired my two Zen Stones in favor of a
Sansa e280 running Rockbox. However, a Zen Stone is going to be easier to
use and work right out of the box. If you're looking for the simplest and
cheapest off the shelf product to listen to music, audio books or DRM
protected files then I'd still recommend the Zen Stone, if you can find one.

I don't find any of this hard to do with Rockbox on the Sansa e280, but here
are the steps you'd have to go through to get a truly accessible portable
media player:
1) Make sure you get a v1 version of the Sansa e200 series. The v2 versions
won't work with Rockbox. Note there are other players supported by Rockbox.
I also have an iRiver H20 running Rockbox. Check out rockbox.org for the
list of supported players.
2) Download and unzip Rockbox to your Sansa e200. To do this you need to
make sure the Sansa attaches to your PC as a mass storage device. You'll
also need to update the Sansa's boot loader. This is all pretty well
documented in the Rockbox documentation.
3) Download the voice file and unzip it onto your Sansa to get the menus to
be spoken to you.
4) Download the Voice Box utility to create audio clips for the files and
folders on your Sansa.
5) Use something like Sound Taxi to convert your DRM protected files into
MP3 files that you can play on your Sansa running Rockbox.
None of this is particularly hard, and if you do this, you'll end up with a
much more accessible and featured rich portable MP3 player, but it is going
to take a little time and a bit of work.

--
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chalt...@gmail.com

 


-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Laz Mesa
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: Pc-audio
Subject: Re: zenstone versus the ipod 

Well, I can say that I've tried the Zen Stone, which was a screenless one;
I've tried Rockbox on a Sansa; and I've tried a 4th generation iPod Nano.
IN the past, I had also tried a Samsung Pebble and a chinese-made mp3
player, both of which were screenless.  I have to say that the Rockboxed
Sansa was most impressive to me.  It definitely has more bang for the buck,
and I found it to be the most-accessible option for under $100.00 for 2, 4,
6, or 8 GB, expandable memory, FM stereo, voice notes, recording from FM,
and playes many different file types, while speaking the menus and being
able to set up your folder and file names to be spoken as well.

>From personal experience, i must say that the learning curve on the
iPod side seems a lot more complicated when compared to Rockbox on the Sansa
players.  Also with the iPods, you have to get used to using iTunes as well!
With the Rockboxed Sansa, all you have to do is to copy and paste your files
onto your player and off you go.

If you'd like to check out what a Sansa can do, you can check out a demo I
did which can be downloaded at:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwwyy8

You can also check out the links in my signature below for more information
on how to get a Sansa MP3 player for yourself at an affordable price.

Regards,

Laz
--
Need an accessible talking portable media player?  We have several models
available!  Play MP3, WMA, OGG Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, AIFF, WAV, and more.
Record from FM radio or built-in mic.  Expandable memory.
Great book marking capabilities too!

* SanDisk Sansa E260 media player with 4 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/sandisk.html

* SanDisk Sansa E270 media player with 6 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/e270.html

* SanDisk Sansa E280 media player with 8 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/e280.html

* Get some accessories for your player here:
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/Accessories.html

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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Timothy]

You can also use FairUse4WM to just strip the protection and leave the audio 
part as is. It's afree program. Do a web search for it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: zenstone versus the ipod



I totally agree, and I've since retired my two Zen Stones in favor of a
Sansa e280 running Rockbox. However, a Zen Stone is going to be easier to
use and work right out of the box. If you're looking for the simplest and
cheapest off the shelf product to listen to music, audio books or DRM
protected files then I'd still recommend the Zen Stone, if you can find 
one.


I don't find any of this hard to do with Rockbox on the Sansa e280, but 
here

are the steps you'd have to go through to get a truly accessible portable
media player:
1) Make sure you get a v1 version of the Sansa e200 series. The v2 
versions
won't work with Rockbox. Note there are other players supported by 
Rockbox.

I also have an iRiver H20 running Rockbox. Check out rockbox.org for the
list of supported players.
2) Download and unzip Rockbox to your Sansa e200. To do this you need to
make sure the Sansa attaches to your PC as a mass storage device. You'll
also need to update the Sansa's boot loader. This is all pretty well
documented in the Rockbox documentation.
3) Download the voice file and unzip it onto your Sansa to get the menus 
to

be spoken to you.
4) Download the Voice Box utility to create audio clips for the files and
folders on your Sansa.
5) Use something like Sound Taxi to convert your DRM protected files into
MP3 files that you can play on your Sansa running Rockbox.
None of this is particularly hard, and if you do this, you'll end up with 
a
much more accessible and featured rich portable MP3 player, but it is 
going

to take a little time and a bit of work.

--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com




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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Laz Mesa
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: Pc-audio
Subject: Re: zenstone versus the ipod

Well, I can say that I've tried the Zen Stone, which was a screenless one;
I've tried Rockbox on a Sansa; and I've tried a 4th generation iPod Nano.
IN the past, I had also tried a Samsung Pebble and a chinese-made mp3
player, both of which were screenless.  I have to say that the Rockboxed
Sansa was most impressive to me.  It definitely has more bang for the 
buck,
and I found it to be the most-accessible option for under $100.00 for 2, 
4,

6, or 8 GB, expandable memory, FM stereo, voice notes, recording from FM,
and playes many different file types, while speaking the menus and being
able to set up your folder and file names to be spoken as well.


From personal experience, i must say that the learning curve on the
iPod side seems a lot more complicated when compared to Rockbox on the 
Sansa
players.  Also with the iPods, you have to get used to using iTunes as 
well!
With the Rockboxed Sansa, all you have to do is to copy and paste your 
files

onto your player and off you go.

If you'd like to check out what a Sansa can do, you can check out a demo I
did which can be downloaded at:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwwyy8

You can also check out the links in my signature below for more 
information

on how to get a Sansa MP3 player for yourself at an affordable price.

Regards,

Laz
--
Need an accessible talking portable media player?  We have several models
available!  Play MP3, WMA, OGG Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, AIFF, WAV, and more.
Record from FM radio or built-in mic.  Expandable memory.
Great book marking capabilities too!

* SanDisk Sansa E260 media player with 4 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/sandisk.html

* SanDisk Sansa E270 media player with 6 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/e270.html

* SanDisk Sansa E280 media player with 8 GB
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/e280.html

* Get some accessories for your player here:
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/Accessories.html

* Check out a special temporary offer here:
http://www.accessibleelectronics.com/Specials.html

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RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

[Christopher Chaltain]

I just used Bing to search for Zen Stones, and I didn't find a lot for sale.
Checking out eBay though did seem to yield quite a few results.


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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of John Chilelli
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:55 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: RE: zenstone for totally blind comuter users

Hi Christopher and all,

Does anyone know if there are any more 2gb or more Zen Stones around
anywhere these days?

Thanks,

John,
Happy student

At 07:00 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote:
>Yes, absolutely, however there are a few different flavors of the Zen
Stone.
>If you're talking about one of the Zen Stones that doesn't have a 
>display then it's totally accessible. There's no display for the blind 
>or the sighted alike, so it's just as accessible for the blind as it is 
>the sighted. The Zen Stone with External Speaker is one such model of 
>the Zen Stone. The original Zen Stone is another. There's also the Zen 
>Stone Plus, which has a display. I don't have any personal experience 
>with this model, to know if a blind person can get used to navigating the
different menus.
>Also, if the model has an FM radio then it would be a model with a display.
>
>
>--
>Christopher
>chalt...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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>[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>On Behalf Of dan thompson
>Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:25 AM
>To: PC Audio Discussion List
>Subject: zenstone for totally blind comuter users
>
>I hope this isn't off topic.  But has anyone here who is totally blind 
>been able to use zenstone?
>Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: zenstone versus the ipod

[Constantine]

Yep, I have an ipod video here and love it to bits.

I'll never get rid of it, and its all thanks to rockbox. *big hugs go to the 
rockbox devs!*


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: zenstone versus the ipod



I totally agree, and I've since retired my two Zen Stones in favor of a
Sansa e280 running Rockbox. However, a Zen Stone is going to be easier to
use and work right out of the box. If you're looking for the simplest and
cheapest off the shelf product to listen to music, audio books or DRM
protected files then I'd still recommend the Zen Stone, if you can find 
one.


I don't find any of this hard to do with Rockbox on the Sansa e280, but 
here

are the steps you'd have to go through to get a truly accessible portable
media player:
1) Make sure you get a v1 version of the Sansa e200 series. The v2 
versions
won't work with Rockbox. Note there are other players supported by 
Rockbox.

I also have an iRiver H20 running Rockbox. Check out rockbox.org for the
list of supported players.
2) Download and unzip Rockbox to your Sansa e200. To do this you need to
make sure the Sansa attaches to your PC as a mass storage device. You'll
also need to update the Sansa's boot loader. This is all pretty well
documented in the Rockbox documentation.
3) Download the voice file and unzip it onto your Sansa to get the menus 
to

be spoken to you.
4) Download the Voice Box utility to create audio clips for the files and
folders on your Sansa.
5) Use something like Sound Taxi to convert your DRM protected files into
MP3 files that you can play on your Sansa running Rockbox.
None of this is particularly hard, and if you do this, you'll end up with 
a
much more accessible and featured rich portable MP3 player, but it is 
going

to take a little time and a bit of work.

--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com




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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Laz Mesa
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: Pc-audio
Subject: Re: zenstone versus the ipod

Well, I can say that I've tried the Zen Stone, which was a screenless one;
I've tried Rockbox on a Sansa; and I've tried a 4th generation iPod Nano.
IN the past, I had also tried a Samsung Pebble and a chinese-made mp3
player, both of which were screenless.  I have to say that the Rockboxed
Sansa was most impressive to me.  It definitely has more bang for the 
buck,
and I found it to be the most-accessible option for under $100.00 for 2, 
4,

6, or 8 GB, expandable memory, FM stereo, voice notes, recording from FM,
and playes many different file types, while speaking the menus and being
able to set up your folder and file names to be spoken as well.


From personal experience, i must say that the learning curve on the
iPod side seems a lot more complicated when compared to Rockbox on the 
Sansa
players.  Also with the iPods, you have to get used to using iTunes as 
well!
With the Rockboxed Sansa, all you have to do is to copy and paste your 
files

onto your player and off you go.

If you'd like to check out what a Sansa can do, you can check out a demo I
did which can be downloaded at:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwwyy8

You can also check out the links in my signature below for more 
information

on how to get a Sansa MP3 player for yourself at an affordable price.

Regards,

Laz
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