High fidelty and turntables today
I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as you should know, are preamplified. You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC audio discussion list." Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Oops, and inmy last message, I forgot to explain why USB Turntables aren't all that great, and that is because they're not built for fidelity, rather, they're built for in-expense, E.G. poor preamps. - Original Message - From: "Nick G" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as you should know, are preamplified. You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC audio discussion list." Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
it has to do with the quality of sound card and the quality of cartridge in the turntable. Stanton would be a good quality cartridge, and some type of delta sound card with balanced ins and outs would be a good quality setup. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC audio discussion list." Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: High fidelty and turntables today
And I believe ceramic cartridges also! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Nick G Sent: 07 June 2009 09:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Oops, and inmy last message, I forgot to explain why USB Turntables aren't all that great, and that is because they're not built for fidelity, rather, they're built for in-expense, E.G. poor preamps. - Original Message - From: "Nick G" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today > Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will > advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that > defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity > is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. >A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as > you should know, are preamplified. >You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for > such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be > even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded > now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Chaltain" > To: "PC audio discussion list." > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM > Subject: High fidelty and turntables today > > >> I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some >> pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a >> turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can >> only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he >> can get off of CD's or MP3's. >> >> I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was >> younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I >> retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if >> such a system, with high quality components, could produce better >> sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. >> >> I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can >> get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can >> from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about >> building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and >> start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable >> that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a >> component based stereo system down the road? >> >> Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't >> started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be >> overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. >> >> -- >> Christopher >> >> cchalt...@austin.rr.com >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.55/2160 - Release Date: 06/07/09 05:53:00 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: High fidelty and turntables today
Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old "Duel" or, "Pioneer" ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: "Walter Ramage" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4136 (20090606) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information f
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old "Duel" or, "Pioneer" ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: "Walter Ramage" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsu
RE: High fidelty and turntables today
More than likely, you will need a phono pre-amp. Some inexpensive turntables have a built in one, but the higher end ones didn't. If you have to connect the turn table to the phono in on your amplifier or receiver, then you will need a pre-amp to use it with your PC. Hope this is helpful, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: > Thanks Walter! > > Let me be Glib! > > A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing > quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. > > Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. > > If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid > range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. > > All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I > personally would go with an old "Duel" or, "Pioneer" ,and a quality diamond > tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. > > BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. > > So much for being Glibb LOL > > - Original Message - > From: "Walter Ramage" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today > > > Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality > reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a > raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this > debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred > listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while > others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I > have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives > him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan > and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others > like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the > sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much > more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one > prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always > recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have > listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination > of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember > when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing > one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing > something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although > you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own > home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may > allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl > versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but > bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit > of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always > wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their > purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise > whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for > the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in > my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and > although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main > purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 > PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi > system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the > result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original > size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but > for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC > fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take > the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on > what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years > down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a > comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to > California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other > hand if you wanted to transport lots
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you are going to need a good preamp. once you hook up a preamp, then you have to determine if you have a moving magnet or moving coil cartridge. the latter will require a head amplifier. I have not known pioneer to come equipped with a moving coil cartridge. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old "Duel" or, "Pioneer" ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: "Walter Ramage" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a m
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Get a optamod equalizer as well and put it into the circuit, so that you can shape the audio to your liking, heheheh. - Original Message - From: "David Edick" To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today More than likely, you will need a phono pre-amp. Some inexpensive turntables have a built in one, but the higher end ones didn't. If you have to connect the turn table to the phono in on your amplifier or receiver, then you will need a pre-amp to use it with your PC. Hope this is helpful, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old "Duel" or, "Pioneer" ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: "Walter Ramage" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with
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Hello! Actually i didn't know all that stuff so thanks to Mathew for the info. By the way which is the latest version of sound forge? Is it 9 or 10, i can't remember. /Anders. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] För Walter Ramage Skickat: den 4 juni 2009 09:55 Till: PC Audio Discussion List Ämne: RE: Gapless Cd creation: Re: Can it be done? How do I do it? Hi Matthew. I don't own Sound Forge but I do have Gold Wave. Your explanation is thorough but as you say, techi and complicated but I do know what you mean that it isn't so daunting once you know how. It is clear there isn't an easy way of doing this so until I can either afford to get the right software and gain the experience and confidence to do this I will have to settle for just fading in one track and fading it out at the end. Thanks for your help though I do appreciate it and it has answered my query. Walter. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of Matthew Bullis Sent: 04 June 2009 08:51 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Gapless Cd creation: Re: Can it be done? How do I do it? Hello, if you use Sound Forge to extract audio from a cd, and you want the existing track marks to be included within the file, you just check the box in the extraction wizzard that comes up. I don't think it matters whether you choose markers or regions. If you have .wav file data on your hard disc, you can place markers at the desired track points with Sound Forge. You go to the top of the file, hit m for the first marker, go to the bottom, hit m for the end marker, and then go through the file, hitting m whenever you want a new track mark. Then you convert these into regions, by hitting alt s, r, and then m, and say yes to the prompt. Now you're not going to be able to burn a gapless disc from here. You will have to extract the regions into individual files and fix the sector boundaries. Sound Forge only has a track at once burner built in, meaning it has the two-second gaps. They do have a product called CD Architect, but I never figured that out, either by inaccessibility or through program confusion. Once you get the files correctly cut on sector boundaries, you'll want to make a lossless flac data set, which involves another program, your flac encoder of choice. I know this sounds overwhelming and complicated, but I've done this almost every day for the past few months, and frequently over the past four years, while collecting my ever-growing concert recordings. Once you get the hang of it, it becomes very smooth. Thanks a lot. Matthew To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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RE: High fidelty and turntables today
The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: "Bruce Toews" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
