Re: song books.
thanks Audrey, I'll look into that, Billy - Original Message - From: "audrey levine" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: song books. Sorry, Billy; I would check with the RNIB anyway; they probably have a recorded song collection too. Good luck. Audrey To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Seeking program to create ring tones
Goldwave is great. Keep those files as small as possible. I guess it comes down to how much memory your phone has. I took a number of my favorite tunes that reminded me of certain persons, chopped it down to 15 seconds, then saved them as mp3's. My favorite was some cartoon sound effects that I ran as a repeating loop. Of course one must make sure that all copyright rules are followed. But it is fun to assign a certain sound to each caller that you know, especially being visually impaired. Cheers, Peter On 3/5/09, Robert doc Wright wrote: > I use Gold wave.I'm not sure what is available for those wanting midi files. > > ** > File not found ! Should I fake it ? (Y/N) > > > robert Doc Wright > http://www.wrightplaceinc.net > msn > godfeare...@hotmail.com > > > - Original Message - > From: Norma A. Boge > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: Seeking program to create ring tones > > > Hi people, > > I'm looking for a program which I can use to create ring tones for a > Samsung mobile phone. Any suggestions will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Norma > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3909 (20090304) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
I saw a product mentioned on this list called Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox which is suppose to be a PC based talking jukebox designed for the blind and visually impaired. I have had Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox for a week now and quite frankly my opinion is it is not ready for prime time. As a partial sighted user the Graphical User Interface (GUI) is extremely annoying. The GUI is implemented with a crippled windows display. All standard window decorations have been removed. No top window bar with iconify, resize, minimize, maximize, close. Which would not be a problem except for the window clips the content and there is no way to scroll. You have to go into the applications "options" and play with text and box sizes until you get it to fit in the fixed window. One navigates within the application primarily with the 4 directional keys which would be great except the display does not track the direction keys. If you key past the end of the window display the contents does not scroll up, you do hear what you can not see which is a help once you realize what it is doing. Also, the 4 direction arrows will not take you to some of the items on the screen. Most notable "back" is not reachable with the arrow keys, you either have to mouse over it and click or use the "backspace" key. Once you know this it is useable but why the arrow buttons dont just proceed to the "back" button as it does with "ok" and "cancel" and every thing else is not intuitive. It appears that this product, although marketed to the blind and visually impaired, is primarily intend for the totally blind. My problems started when I was looking for the licence key. The verbal directions say the key is on a yellow card in the box. I could not find the card in the box with the key. However, I called and was able to get the key over the phone. It turns out the key is on a Braille and "raised text" card taped to the outside of the box with no visible text printing at all. I thought it was just their logo on the box. Also, there is no label at all on the product CD so the first thing I did was print a label for it so it would not get lost. If one is totally blind perhaps this product is more useful since one might not be use to the GUI standards supplied in most applications. But any user will find the setting of "options" annoying, since one constantly has to restart from the top of the option menu for each change. That is you can not step back in the menu tree once you start down a branch. Also one can not navigate in the standard way through "My Computer." It is to complicated to say how you have to do it, lets just say you can not select "My Computer" and then the location you want. If your music is spread across multiple drives and you want to keep it that way it will get real annoying. When I purchased the product I was told they did not have a demo version. Turns out the product will run in demo mode but they just will not give it to you until you buy it. I STRONGLY recommend one get the demo version first or don't buy it. The demo runs for 5 minutes at a time. I sincerely wish I could recommend this product, since there is so little good inexpensive software designed for the blind and visually impaired. Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox has great potential but it is not there yet, maybe when version 2.0 comes some of the comments above will be addressed. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
this is the first I have heard of this program. what advantage is this program supposed to have over something like Winamp? - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, this is particularly annoying. However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link which Bill labels "Listen live with your pda/smart phone or stand alone player.," as the standard listen link will not work in this jukebox. I guess it is to be perceived as a standalone player. My comments here represent only my views, but, like Tim, I would recommend that, before purchasing this product, you might want to get hold of a demo version in order to make sure that it meets your needs. Larry To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, this is particularly annoying. However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link which Bill labels "Listen live with your pda/smart phone or stand alone player.," as the standard listen link will not work in this jukebox. I guess it is to be perceived as a standalone player. My comments here represent only my views, but, like Tim, I would recommend that, before purchasing this product, you might want to get hold of a demo version in order to make sure that it meets your needs. Larry To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
I looked at the product and figure it isn't worth the $50.00 they want for what it is supposed to do. go to http://www.marvelsoft.com and you will find all the software they sell. - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time They are marketing it as a jukebox in which every single aspect of the program is spoken. No libraries that only sort of work etc. The program can also be used either with or without a screen reader as it comes equipped with its own speech output. I was and am still hoping to use it to help in more easily cataloging my CD collection which I am now in the process of digitizing. It is said that the program will work well with all MP3 players with the exception of the iPod. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time this is the first I have heard of this program. what advantage is this program supposed to have over something like Winamp? - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, this is particularly annoying. However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link which Bill labels "Listen live with your pda/smart phone or stand alone player.," as the standard listen link will not work in this jukebox. I guess it is to be perceived as a standalone player. My comments here represent only my views, but, like Tim, I would recommend that, before purchasing this product, you might want to get hold of a demo version in order to make sure that it meets your needs. Larry To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
They are marketing it as a jukebox in which every single aspect of the program is spoken. No libraries that only sort of work etc. The program can also be used either with or without a screen reader as it comes equipped with its own speech output. I was and am still hoping to use it to help in more easily cataloging my CD collection which I am now in the process of digitizing. It is said that the program will work well with all MP3 players with the exception of the iPod. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time this is the first I have heard of this program. what advantage is this program supposed to have over something like Winamp? - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, this is particularly annoying. However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link which Bill labels "Listen live with your pda/smart phone or stand alone player.," as the standard listen link will not work in this jukebox. I guess it is to be perceived as a standalone player. My comments here represent only my views, but, like Tim, I would recommend that, before purchasing this product, you might want to get hold of a demo version in order to make sure that it meets your needs. Larry To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
What is the URL for the product? Do you have any other contact info for them? Thanks, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Smith Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time I saw a product mentioned on this list called Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox which is suppose to be a PC based talking jukebox designed for the blind and visually impaired. I have had Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox for a week now and quite frankly my opinion is it is not ready for prime time. As a partial sighted user the Graphical User Interface (GUI) is extremely annoying. The GUI is implemented with a crippled windows display. All standard window decorations have been removed. No top window bar with iconify, resize, minimize, maximize, close. Which would not be a problem except for the window clips the content and there is no way to scroll. You have to go into the applications "options" and play with text and box sizes until you get it to fit in the fixed window. One navigates within the application primarily with the 4 directional keys which would be great except the display does not track the direction keys. If you key past the end of the window display the contents does not scroll up, you do hear what you can not see which is a help once you realize what it is doing. Also, the 4 direction arrows will not take you to some of the items on the screen. Most notable "back" is not reachable with the arrow keys, you either have to mouse over it and click or use the "backspace" key. Once you know this it is useable but why the arrow buttons dont just proceed to the "back" button as it does with "ok" and "cancel" and every thing else is not intuitive. It appears that this product, although marketed to the blind and visually impaired, is primarily intend for the totally blind. My problems started when I was looking for the licence key. The verbal directions say the key is on a yellow card in the box. I could not find the card in the box with the key. However, I called and was able to get the key over the phone. It turns out the key is on a Braille and "raised text" card taped to the outside of the box with no visible text printing at all. I thought it was just their logo on the box. Also, there is no label at all on the product CD so the first thing I did was print a label for it so it would not get lost. If one is totally blind perhaps this product is more useful since one might not be use to the GUI standards supplied in most applications. But any user will find the setting of "options" annoying, since one constantly has to restart from the top of the option menu for each change. That is you can not step back in the menu tree once you start down a branch. Also one can not navigate in the standard way through "My Computer." It is to complicated to say how you have to do it, lets just say you can not select "My Computer" and then the location you want. If your music is spread across multiple drives and you want to keep it that way it will get real annoying. When I purchased the product I was told they did not have a demo version. Turns out the product will run in demo mode but they just will not give it to you until you buy it. I STRONGLY recommend one get the demo version first or don't buy it. The demo runs for 5 minutes at a time. I sincerely wish I could recommend this product, since there is so little good inexpensive software designed for the blind and visually impaired. Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox has great potential but it is not there yet, maybe when version 2.0 comes some of the comments above will be addressed. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
One thing most of you are missing here is that the product is basically meant for a person without a screen reader and is a beginner that only wants to be able to do the most simple of music tasks. I doubt anyone on this list would be looking for such an item. Rick - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time I looked at the product and figure it isn't worth the $50.00 they want for what it is supposed to do. go to http://www.marvelsoft.com and you will find all the software they sell. - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time They are marketing it as a jukebox in which every single aspect of the program is spoken. No libraries that only sort of work etc. The program can also be used either with or without a screen reader as it comes equipped with its own speech output. I was and am still hoping to use it to help in more easily cataloging my CD collection which I am now in the process of digitizing. It is said that the program will work well with all MP3 players with the exception of the iPod. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time > this is the first I have heard of this program. what advantage is this > program supposed to have over something like Winamp? > - Original Message - > From: "Larry" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time > > >> As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with >> everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be >> perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying >> proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the >> user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly >> necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. >> >> Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a >> bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user >> is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for >> which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to >> tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is >> indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I >> take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature >> which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the >> user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since >> the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, >> this is particularly annoying. >> >> However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you >> can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since >> my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does >> one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad >> given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a >> second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in >> that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? >> >> One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an >> element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, >> serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that >> when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link >> which Bill labels "Listen live with your pda/smart phone or stand alone >> player.," as the standard listen link will not work in this jukebox. I >> guess it is to be perceived as a standalone player. >> >> My comments here represent only my views, but, like Tim, I would >> recommend that, before purchasing this product, you might want to get >> hold of a demo version in order to make sure that it meets your needs. >> >> Larry >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
Just go to http://www.marvelsoft.com The program, along with their other software offerings, is clearly described there. The site also includes contact info. I think the program does exactly what it claims to do. My challenge has been to understand the differing methods that the developers employed. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "David Edick" To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time What is the URL for the product? Do you have any other contact info for them? Thanks, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Smith Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time I saw a product mentioned on this list called Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox which is suppose to be a PC based talking jukebox designed for the blind and visually impaired. I have had Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox for a week now and quite frankly my opinion is it is not ready for prime time. As a partial sighted user the Graphical User Interface (GUI) is extremely annoying. The GUI is implemented with a crippled windows display. All standard window decorations have been removed. No top window bar with iconify, resize, minimize, maximize, close. Which would not be a problem except for the window clips the content and there is no way to scroll. You have to go into the applications "options" and play with text and box sizes until you get it to fit in the fixed window. One navigates within the application primarily with the 4 directional keys which would be great except the display does not track the direction keys. If you key past the end of the window display the contents does not scroll up, you do hear what you can not see which is a help once you realize what it is doing. Also, the 4 direction arrows will not take you to some of the items on the screen. Most notable "back" is not reachable with the arrow keys, you either have to mouse over it and click or use the "backspace" key. Once you know this it is useable but why the arrow buttons dont just proceed to the "back" button as it does with "ok" and "cancel" and every thing else is not intuitive. It appears that this product, although marketed to the blind and visually impaired, is primarily intend for the totally blind. My problems started when I was looking for the licence key. The verbal directions say the key is on a yellow card in the box. I could not find the card in the box with the key. However, I called and was able to get the key over the phone. It turns out the key is on a Braille and "raised text" card taped to the outside of the box with no visible text printing at all. I thought it was just their logo on the box. Also, there is no label at all on the product CD so the first thing I did was print a label for it so it would not get lost. If one is totally blind perhaps this product is more useful since one might not be use to the GUI standards supplied in most applications. But any user will find the setting of "options" annoying, since one constantly has to restart from the top of the option menu for each change. That is you can not step back in the menu tree once you start down a branch. Also one can not navigate in the standard way through "My Computer." It is to complicated to say how you have to do it, lets just say you can not select "My Computer" and then the location you want. If your music is spread across multiple drives and you want to keep it that way it will get real annoying. When I purchased the product I was told they did not have a demo version. Turns out the product will run in demo mode but they just will not give it to you until you buy it. I STRONGLY recommend one get the demo version first or don't buy it. The demo runs for 5 minutes at a time. I sincerely wish I could recommend this product, since there is so little good inexpensive software designed for the blind and visually impaired. Marvelsoft's Digital Jukebox has great potential but it is not there yet, maybe when version 2.0 comes some of the comments above will be addressed. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time
That is a very good point as well, and for the user who you have described here this software would be ideal. The software can be used either with the onboard speech or you can turn off the onboard speech and use it with a screen reader. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time One thing most of you are missing here is that the product is basically meant for a person without a screen reader and is a beginner that only wants to be able to do the most simple of music tasks. I doubt anyone on this list would be looking for such an item. Rick - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time I looked at the product and figure it isn't worth the $50.00 they want for what it is supposed to do. go to http://www.marvelsoft.com and you will find all the software they sell. - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time They are marketing it as a jukebox in which every single aspect of the program is spoken. No libraries that only sort of work etc. The program can also be used either with or without a screen reader as it comes equipped with its own speech output. I was and am still hoping to use it to help in more easily cataloging my CD collection which I am now in the process of digitizing. It is said that the program will work well with all MP3 players with the exception of the iPod. Larry Larry Naessens Vinylguy Café ...a burn above the rest At Vinylguy Café, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by Skype or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. Email: vinylguyc...@gmail.com SkypeMe: Vinylguy45 - Original Message - From: "Gary Schindler" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time this is the first I have heard of this program. what advantage is this program supposed to have over something like Winamp? - Original Message - From: "Larry" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Marvelsoft Digital Jukebox , Not ready for prime time As a blind purchaser of this software, I would have to agree with everything that you said Tim, at least to the extent of that which can be perceived by a totally blind user. First there's this annoying proclamation issued each time the program is launched which shouts at the user declaring itself to be "the future of audio!" Is this truly necessary? If this is the future, then I am not optomystic. Since I spent money on this package, I have tried to get to know it a bit, but our relationship has been uneasy at best. It seems that the user is required to learn a different method of doing most of the tasks for which the software was designed. I had perceived it as giving voice to tasks that could be cumbersome in other applications. And while there is indeed voice, I find myself mystified as to how to perform tasks which I take for granted in other applications. Then there's the "help" feature which I really don't find to be all that helpful. For the most part, the user is on his or her own when trying to figure things out. And, since the developers have chosen alternative means for doing most everything, this is particularly annoying. However, Tim, since you are also an owner of this program, perhaps you can help me out with the answers to a couple of questions. First, since my music is on multiple drives and in a variety of folders, just how does one move about between drives and folders? Secondly, when I try to ad given songs to a given play list, the software insists on creating a second play list with the first play list's name and dumping the songs in that second play list. So, how does one add to a play list? One other interesting thing that I noticed... the program does include an element which allows the user to list radio stations and their urls, serving as a kind of self built radio station database. I've noticed that when adding a link, say from the Bill Sparks site, I have to add the link which
RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Oh really? What planet do you live on? NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, folks. > >I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. > But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than >some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm >writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on >iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I >hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. > >I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD >come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm >presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, >too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs >where action was described in the first place, should have that same >DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm >wondering about the following: > >1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the >download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good >source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about >this feature before I buy? > >2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is >there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a >menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the >descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media >Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. > >3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of >stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front >of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard >of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download >versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those >wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the >same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little >bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? > >Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for >others I may encounter. > >Kind regards, > >-Kane > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
On DVD it seems to be rare, but on regular network TV, some of the top shows are described like CSI. I don't know if 24 is, but I thought someone said they had described episodes, but they're old. - Original Message - From: "Steve Matzura" To: "pc-audio" ; "ipod" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: "Lauren" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to > destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Norins" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > >> No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally >> unnecessary! >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rick Harmon" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Mac, >> >> If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did >> everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and >> succeeded in their task almost completely.. >> >> Rick >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mac Norins" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Cane, >> >> I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of >> unnecessary >> sarcasm! >> >> Mac Norins >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kane Brolin" >> To: >> Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM >> Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Hi, folks. >> >> I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. >> But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than >> some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm >> writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on >> iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I >> hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. >> >> I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD >> come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm >> presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, >> too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs >> where action was described in the first place, should have that same >> DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm >> wondering about the following: >> >> 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the >> download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good >> source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about >> this feature before I buy? >> >> 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is >> there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a >> menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the >> descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media >> Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. >> >> 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of >> stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front >> of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard >> of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download >> versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those >> wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the >> same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little >> bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? >> >> Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for >> others I may encounter. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> -Kane >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11900 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11900 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11900 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> >> >> E-
How to use DVS with AT&T Uverse
Hi there. I never really knew there was much DVS out there on regular TV until I went to WGBH's website for accessible to look at other stuff, but popular shows like CSI are described if you can get it. I have AT&T Uverse and want to know how to turn on whatever they call it. I've heard it can be called SAP, descriptive video, or even under other audio services for HDTV if gotten over the air, but how do I get my Uverse box to give me the descriptions that the networks are broadcasting? Even if Time Warner Cable might carry it, it's not an option in this complex because they have their own system that I'd be surprised if it even passed close captioning. I think they offer Dish Network, but I thought I heard that only DirecTV does descriptive video. If there is no way to turn it on on Uverse, is there a way to get new described episodes by streaming or downloading later? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Yah, I understand at least one of the reasons Nfb stopped descriptive video here is that they objected to the fact that the little weather ticker at the bottom of the screen was not read. While this would be something to work for, I allways thought it was rather, pardon me, stupid to stop all descriptive video, especially if when you hear the beeps indicating bad wetehr you can allways turn on a weather radio or log on to your favorite weather website or turn on a am or fm radio! Steve - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3911 (20090305) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
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Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally > unnecessary! > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harmon" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Mac, > > If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did > everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and > succeeded in their task almost completely.. > > Rick > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Norins" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Cane, > > I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of > unnecessary > sarcasm! > > Mac Norins > - Original Message - > From: "Kane Brolin" > To: > Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM > Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Hi, folks. > > I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. > But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than > some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm > writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on > iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I > hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. > > I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD > come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm > presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, > too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs > where action was described in the first place, should have that same > DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm > wondering about the following: > > 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the > download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good > source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about > this feature before I buy? > > 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is > there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a > menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the > descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media > Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. > > 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of > stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front > of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard > of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download > versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those > wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the > same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little > bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? > > Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for > others I may encounter. > > Kind regards, > > -Kane > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Its gotta hurt to know that an organization in which you believe works against you, but the facts are there. NFB participated in the suit to illiminate it in the US. Sorry you don't like it, but facts are facts. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:28 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to > destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Norins" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > >> No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally >> unnecessary! >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rick Harmon" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Mac, >> >> If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did >> everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and >> succeeded in their task almost completely.. >> >> Rick >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mac Norins" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Cane, >> >> I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of >> unnecessary >> sarcasm! >> >> Mac Norins >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kane Brolin" >> To: >> Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM >> Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads >> >> >> Hi, folks. >> >> I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. >> But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than >> some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm >> writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on >> iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I >> hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. >> >> I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD >> come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm >> presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, >> too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs >> where action was described in the first place, should have that same >> DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm >> wondering about the following: >> >> 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the >> download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good >> source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about >> this feature before I buy? >> >> 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is >> there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a >> menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the >> descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media >> Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. >> >> 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of >> stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front >> of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard >> of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download >> versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those >> wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the >> same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little >> bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? >> >> Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for >> others I may encounter. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> -Kane >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11900 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11900 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe from th
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Is all this pardisanship not just a whole lot off-topic for this list? And no, I'm not a member of the NFB, nor am I even American. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Gary Metzler wrote: I liken the NFB to the Borg on Star Trek. Its just one collective mind. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; > totally > unnecessary! > - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" > > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Mac, > > If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did > everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and > succeeded in their task almost completely.. > > Rick > > > - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Cane, > > I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of > unnecessary > sarcasm! > > Mac Norins > - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" > To: > Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM > Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > Hi, folks. > > I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. > But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than > some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm > writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on > iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I > hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. > > I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD > come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm > presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, > too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs > where action was described in the first place, should have that same > DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm > wondering about the following: > > 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the > download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good > source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about > this feature before I buy? > > 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is > there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a > menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the > descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media > Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. > > 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of > stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front > of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard > of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download > versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those > wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the > same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little > bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? > > Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for > others I may encounter. > > Kind regards, > > -Kane > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I liken the NFB to the Borg on Star Trek. Its just one collective mind. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: "David R. Stayer" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mac Norins" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: "Kane Brolin" To: Cc: "Blind iPod Mailing List" ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc
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Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: "Bruce Toews" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 > through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. > > Bruce > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: > > > Oh really? What planet do you live on? > > > > NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it > > was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive > > programming you have to find it outside of our shores. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > > On Behalf Of Kane Brolin > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM > > To: j...@freelists.org > > Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org > > Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads > > > > Hi, folks. > > > > I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. > > But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than > > some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm > > writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on > > iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I > > hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. > > > > I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD > > come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm > > presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, > > too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs > > where action was described in the first place, should have that same > > DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm > > wondering about the following: > > > > 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the > > download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good > > source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about > > this feature before I buy? > > > > 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is > > there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a > > menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the > > descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media > > Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. > > > > 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of > > stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front > > of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard > > of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download > > versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those > > wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the > > same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little > > bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? > > > > Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for > > others I may encounter. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > -Kane > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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DVD Audio Extractor can extract the described video track of, for example, the Corner Gas videos, into various formats that will play in mdeia players - Wave, MP3, OGG Vorbis, etc., and it also has a preview feature which essentially lets you play the tracks without extracting. Corner Gas is the only commercial TV series I know of that has described video on the standard buy-them-in-the-stores DVD's. There might well be others, but these are the only ones I know of. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, KANE BROLIN wrote: Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: "Bruce Toews" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi, Djc, Did you get the file? If not, I can send you the earlier version of the program. Thank you. Meared - Original Message - From: "djc" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Early Vlc Media Player Requested Does anyone on this list happen to have one of the early installers for VLC Media Player. It would have to be before 0.8.6I. I'm really ancious to get a copy of this program because this program allowed me to go from segment to segment on dvd's. I tried media player classic but it wouldn't allow me to go to my movie itself. If you can help Please contact me. Thanks. Please Join Me from 9 to midnight Eastern Each Saturday for djc's Jukebox on either: http://ultrastreams.us:9660 Or http://sc8.spacialnet.com:22734/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
gt;> menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the > >> descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media > >> Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. > >> > >> 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of > >> stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front > >> of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard > >> of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download > >> versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those > >> wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the > >> same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little > >> bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? > >> > >> Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for > >> others I may encounter. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> -Kane > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > >> Database version: 5.11900 > >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > >> > >> > >> > >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > >> Database version: 5.11900 > >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > >> Database version: 5.11900 > >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > >> > >> > >> > >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > >> Database version: 5.11900 > >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > >__ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3911 (20090305) __ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com Terese Ann Goren Coming Soon...The Waggy Tale Show To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
