[opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Nalates Urriah]

Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the existence of
3rd party viewers:

2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience of
the virtual world in any way not provided by or accessible to users of the
latest released Linden Lab viewer.

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141

This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not implemented
until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL viewer. Am I
mistaken?

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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Brandon Husbands]

Holy...
That's a huge policy change.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Nalates Urriah  wrote:

> Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the existence of
> 3rd party viewers:
>
> 2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience
> of the virtual world in any way not provided by or accessible to users of
> the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>
>
> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141
>
> This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not implemented
> until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL viewer. Am I
> mistaken?
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Cinder Roxley]

Yes, you're mistaken. The key phrase there is "alters the shared 
experience of the virtual world".  A tpv can alter individual user's 
experiences, (UI, build tools, controls, graphics enhancements) but not 
the shared experience of the world.  IE, exposing information such as 
the friend online visibility of *other users*.


Kind regards,
-Cinder

On 2/24/2012 4:44 PM, Nalates Urriah wrote:
Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the 
existence of 3rd party viewers:


2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared 
experience of the virtual world in any way not provided by or 
accessible to users of the latest released Linden Lab viewer.


http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141

This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not 
implemented until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL 
viewer. Am I mistaken?


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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Brandon Husbands]

Guess its how you interpreted it wheww.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Cinder Roxley wrote:

>  Yes, you're mistaken. The key phrase there is "alters the shared
> experience of the virtual world".  A tpv can alter individual user's
> experiences, (UI, build tools, controls, graphics enhancements) but not the
> shared experience of the world.  IE, exposing information such as the
> friend online visibility of *other users*.
>
> Kind regards,
> -Cinder
>
>
> On 2/24/2012 4:44 PM, Nalates Urriah wrote:
>
> Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the existence of
> 3rd party viewers:
>
> 2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience
> of the virtual world in any way not provided by or accessible to users of
> the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>
>
> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141
>
> This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not implemented
> until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL viewer. Am I
> mistaken?
>
> --
> Nalates Urriah (SL AV)
>
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Jessica Lyon]

Actually, under 2.k, features like breast physics, secondary attachments,
shared parcel WL etc, would have never been permitted to exist. And this
means that any feature in the future to which a TPV may conjur up, which
effects the shared experience (Ie. something one user could see but another
couldn't) will need to be developed for the LL viewer by TPV devs, accepted
by LL, released by LL before a TPV may release it themselves. Another
example would be the Mesh deformer from Qarl, if LL were not interested in
it.. none of us would be allowed to release it in our viewers.

Jessica Lyon
Project Manager
The Phoenix Viewer Project, Inc.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Cinder Roxley wrote:

>  Yes, you're mistaken. The key phrase there is "alters the shared
> experience of the virtual world".  A tpv can alter individual user's
> experiences, (UI, build tools, controls, graphics enhancements) but not the
> shared experience of the world.  IE, exposing information such as the
> friend online visibility of *other users*.
>
> Kind regards,
> -Cinder
>
>
> On 2/24/2012 4:44 PM, Nalates Urriah wrote:
>
> Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the existence of
> 3rd party viewers:
>
> 2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience
> of the virtual world in any way not provided by or accessible to users of
> the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>
>
> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141
>
> This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not implemented
> until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL viewer. Am I
> mistaken?
>
> --
> Nalates Urriah (SL AV)
>
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Celierra Darling]

(I am not a lawyer, but...)

>From the text in the blog post, it looks like it's intended to be an
anti-fragmentation measure.  I don't think it's literally a desire to make
the TPV devs wait until the official viewer catches up (and definitely not
to make TPV people "develop [features] for the LL viewer").

To help allay the concern, though, I think there could be some sort of
"with specifications released by LL" exception - once an API has been
hashed out and released, I can't think of any benefit to making the TPV
wait.  That'd make the rule a little more tightly focused on getting TPVs
to make specs that LL's willing to endorse and use.

Celi


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Jessica Lyon <
jessica.l...@phoenixviewer.com> wrote:

> Actually, under 2.k, features like breast physics, secondary attachments,
> shared parcel WL etc, would have never been permitted to exist. And this
> means that any feature in the future to which a TPV may conjur up, which
> effects the shared experience (Ie. something one user could see but another
> couldn't) will need to be developed for the LL viewer by TPV devs, accepted
> by LL, released by LL before a TPV may release it themselves. Another
> example would be the Mesh deformer from Qarl, if LL were not interested in
> it.. none of us would be allowed to release it in our viewers.
>
> Jessica Lyon
> Project Manager
> The Phoenix Viewer Project, Inc.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Cinder Roxley wrote:
>
>>  Yes, you're mistaken. The key phrase there is "alters the shared
>> experience of the virtual world".  A tpv can alter individual user's
>> experiences, (UI, build tools, controls, graphics enhancements) but not the
>> shared experience of the world.  IE, exposing information such as the
>> friend online visibility of *other users*.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> -Cinder
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/2012 4:44 PM, Nalates Urriah wrote:
>>
>> Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the existence
>> of 3rd party viewers:
>>
>> 2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience
>> of the virtual world in any way not provided by or accessible to users of
>> the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>>
>>
>> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141
>>
>> This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not implemented
>> until and unless LL approves them and adds them to the SL viewer. Am I
>> mistaken?
>>
>> --
>> Nalates Urriah (SL AV)
>>
>>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes

[Kadah]

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I think the general rule is here that if its something like Emerald's
multi-attach where it doesn't work or causes artifacts for other
viewers, it needs to go through LL, get PO approval and a project for
getting effected APIs added or changed, as well as viewer support
added to V-D for everyone to pull from.


On 2/24/2012 4:55 PM, Celierra Darling wrote:
> (I am not a lawyer, but...)
> 
> From the text in the blog post, it looks like it's intended to be
> an anti-fragmentation measure.  I don't think it's literally a
> desire to make the TPV devs wait until the official viewer catches
> up (and definitely not to make TPV people "develop [features] for
> the LL viewer").
> 
> To help allay the concern, though, I think there could be some sort
> of "with specifications released by LL" exception - once an API has
> been hashed out and released, I can't think of any benefit to
> making the TPV wait.  That'd make the rule a little more tightly
> focused on getting TPVs to make specs that LL's willing to endorse
> and use.
> 
> Celi
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Jessica Lyon 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Actually, under 2.k, features like breast physics, secondary 
> attachments, shared parcel WL etc, would have never been permitted 
> to exist. And this means that any feature in the future to which a 
> TPV may conjur up, which effects the shared experience (Ie. 
> something one user could see but another couldn't) will need to be 
> developed for the LL viewer by TPV devs, accepted by LL, released
> by LL before a TPV may release it themselves. Another example would
> be the Mesh deformer from Qarl, if LL were not interested in it..
> none of us would be allowed to release it in our viewers.
> 
> Jessica Lyon Project Manager The Phoenix Viewer Project, Inc.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Cinder Roxley 
> mailto:cin...@cinderblocks.biz>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, you're mistaken. The key phrase there is "alters the shared 
> experience of the virtual world".  A tpv can alter individual 
> user's experiences, (UI, build tools, controls, graphics 
> enhancements) but not the shared experience of the world.  IE, 
> exposing information such as the friend online visibility of *other
> users*.
> 
> Kind regards, -Cinder
> 
> 
> On 2/24/2012 4:44 PM, Nalates Urriah wrote:
>> Does this new policy essentially eliminate the reason for the 
>> existence of 3rd party viewers:
>> 
>> 2.k : You must not provide any feature that alters the shared 
>> experience of the virtual world in any way not provided by or 
>> accessible to users of the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>> 
>> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/m-p/1399141
>>
>>
>> 
This seems to say all changes can be submitted to LL but not
>> implemented until and unless LL approves them and adds them to 
>> the SL viewer. Am I mistaken?
>> 
>> -- Nalates Urriah (SL AV)
> 
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