Re: [opensource-dev] Is 'STANDALONE' confusing?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: > The real distinction, I think, is whether or not you are using > _installed_ libraries. Normally, the viewer build has only minimal > reliance on the libs that are installed on the system itself In other words the viewer is normally built as a standalone application, i.e. the STANDALONE option does the exact opposite of what you'd expect given the definition of the word. So why not just invert the meaning of STANDALONE? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Is 'STANDALONE' confusing?
On 2011-02-23 4:57, leliel wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) > wrote: >> The real distinction, I think, is whether or not you are using >> _installed_ libraries. Normally, the viewer build has only minimal >> reliance on the libs that are installed on the system itself > In other words the viewer is normally built as a standalone > application, i.e. the STANDALONE option does the exact opposite of > what you'd expect given the definition of the word. So why not just > invert the meaning of STANDALONE? No, I certainly don't want to do that (however much sense it might have made to do it that way in the first place), because the transition would be too confusing. Besides, we're talking about what happens when you're building, not about what happens when the viewer is run by a user. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Wild idea on building an install platform
On 2011-02-19 15:47, Robert Martin wrote: As a sidebar to the whole autobuild system it would be cool if somebody could download a program and then verify that they have a Valid install platform (bonus points if it could also download the missing parts (i suppose that you could only pop the webpage for MS VStudio) By 'install platform' do you mean "a platform on which I should be able to build and install a viewer" ? I think that the way to approach the difficulties of setting up a proper development environment is: * Make the environment as simple as possible... unfortunately, ours already isn't simple. Suggestions for how to remove the dependency on one or more tools are welcome so long as the result works at least as well at present. * Document it very cleanly - can always use improvement, but ours is not bad (our new CEO was able to follow the setup instructions and build a viewer on Windows) * Build in checks as early as practical in the build process that produce an error message that tells you what part of the environment you're missing. That last could, in theory, be built as a separate tool as you suggest, but then we've got one more thing that can get out of sync. Instead, I think we should try to find and correct all the places where something obscure happens and add hints. In short, next time some new dev asks for help here on the list or in IRC because they could not understand a failure, let's try to: 1. Check to make sure the setup documentation included the thing they missed 2. Modify the build process so that when that step fails, a message comes out that says "check to make sure that you have xxx installed" ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Daily Scrum Summary - Friday, February 18
On 2011-02-21 7:48, Opensource Obscure wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 09:36, Anya Kanevsky > wrote: > >> Bao Linden >> PAST >> worked on VBO improvements and testing, > Is it possible to have some more details or links to JIRA about this? > > >> Vadim ProductEngine >> IMPEDIMENTS >> Who's gonna create out-of-the-box viewer layouts for STORM-2? > Would user contributions about this be possible / appropriate? Yes. There are some discussions going on within the Lab about how to proceed with viewer customizing, and when that has sorted itself out I'll get some information out on the results and how contributors can begin this process. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Is 'STANDALONE' confusing?
On 02/23/2011 10:57 AM, leliel wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) > wrote: >> The real distinction, I think, is whether or not you are using >> _installed_ libraries. Normally, the viewer build has only minimal >> reliance on the libs that are installed on the system itself > In other words the viewer is normally built as a standalone > application, i.e. the STANDALONE option does the exact opposite of > what you'd expect given the definition of the word. So why not just > invert the meaning of STANDALONE? I guess (and that's really just a guess) today's "STANDALONE" refers to not relying on network connectivity at /build/ time. Whether the shipped application package is self-contained (i.e. has minimal reliance on libraries installed on the end user's system) depends mainly on what libraries get packaged with it (or linked statically, so that they're included anyway). Boroondas ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Media Strategy?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Qie Niangao wrote: > (I'm not entirely comfortable raising this topic here, but it very > much does affect Snowstorm viability, so, with apologies in > advance...) > > Certain alt-matching systems have attained enough grid saturation that > there is widespread hesitancy to enable Media at all. Can LL measure this? What percentage of viewers have Media disabled? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
[opensource-dev] Daily Scrum Summary - Tuesday, February 22
Sprint 11, ends 02.28.11 Tuesday, February 22 General Notes -- - 2.6 is delayed as we rework some processes - MMOTD: Oz Team Status -- Merov Linden -- *PAST* - STORM-987 : llimage_libtest: Output image data and compression/decompression perf, document this tool on the wiki somewhere - Autobuild Hackathon : - Fixed autobuild viewer Mac build - kdu: Builds on Mac and Windows. Still fails on Linux which is really odd since that's the one platform where nothing changed with autobuild... - Worked on some mapserver fixes (internal) *FUTURE* - OPEN-4: fmod - STORM-987 : llimage_libtest: Add image stats output *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Oz Linden -- *PAST* - Visual Studio 2010 Hackathon *FUTURE* - Merge Monkey - 4 issues in queue - Figure out where we are after Hackathon *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Q Linden -- *PAST* - long weekend - planning - documentation - hackathon *FUTURE* - planning - documentation - hackathon wrapup *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Bao Linden -- *PAST* - finished memory leaking fix and refinement for VBO. *FUTURE* - wrap up STORM-336 (memory leak) - work on the merge issues for the memory management project, - create a QAR for it if possible. *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Wolf *PAST* - Starting investigation for Storm-323 (redundant popups) *FUTURE* - Continue work on Storm-323; No impediments *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Grumpity ProductEngine -- *PAST* - Sprint 11 has been extended. - Due to hackathon and holiday on monday, we aren’t ready to wrap up yet. - Sprint Retrospective is friday 2/25. Spring Planning is monday 2/28 *FUTURE* - STORM cleanup in jira - meet with Geo to figure out better scrum process with our constraints - update Team status summaries - prep for sprint wrapup and planning *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Paul ProductEngine -- *PAST* - STORY STORM-889 (Put Link/Unlink in Edit Panel) - Fixed and sent for review. - BUG STORM-952 (No upload from filepath including national characters like æ, ø and å) - WIP. Trying to reproduce. Can't give estimate for now as i can't reproduce it. *FUTURE* - BUG STORM-952 (No upload from filepath including national characters like æ, ø and å) *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Seth ProductEngine -- *PAST* - STORY (STORM-28) As a User, I want the ability to send my calling card to others. - Fixed. Posted patch for review. *FUTURE* - BUG (STORM-594) [crashhunters] crash in LLView::handleVisibilityChange(int) [second life unknown] - Estimated: 6-8 hours. *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Vadim ProductEngine -- *PAST* - Story STORM-326 (Create and Save your Windlight Skies/Water as a persistent, new Default setting): - WIP. ETA: 2d. *FUTURE* - Continue with STORM-326. *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Andrey ProductEngine -- *PAST* - completed design of Region/Estate TP - continued with regression testing of the latest v-d build - Viewer Messages - Build Tools - Group Profile - Groups SP - Recent People SP - Friends SP - Nearby People SP - Inspectors *FUTURE* - continue with regression testing *IMPEDIMENTS* - none Jonathan Yap -- *PAST* - VWR-24460 (Group invite fails to let you join groups when groups maxed even when you leave group) - Non-trivial issue here. Siana was looking into it too. - VWR-24877 (Add ability to display beacons for Media on a Prim objects) - Finished. Will see if this wants to be brought in at an appropriate meeting. *FUTURE* *IMPEDIMENTS* - STORM - 956 - File message_template.msg needs to be pushed into viewer code tree from server code tree. Wolfpup Lowenhar -- *PAST* - RL work. - STORM-941 : emailed Oz and Leyla concerning possible areas that could be causing the problem. - STORM - 236 : replied to Grumpity's email and also fowarded conversations with richard to Vadim. pused local canges to online repository so that Vadim would have access to them. - Hackathon : did some local testing and have a bug concerning autobuild system in an Opensource build environment. spent weekend tracking it down as was orginlay though to be cmake related but it actualy is not. *FUTURE* - RL work. *IMPEDIMENTS* - STORM-236 : time needed for responces from people on west coast. - Autobuild fails to work for VS2010 on my local system. - Not enough time to actually work on code. Cummere Mayo -- *P
[opensource-dev] Changes on Snowstorm builds no longer showing up
The last couple of Snowstorm test builds (e.g. http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/rev/221902/index.html) no longer have the 'Changes since last good build' being shown - instead it is showing 'Unknown'. Is this a bug or will it be like this from now on? Hitomi ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Changes on Snowstorm builds no longer showing up
You can download the changes.html file from the build results. I know why the problem exists, and I'll be working on redoing the build results pages. Meanwhile, please use the changes.html file to look up the changes included in the current build. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Hitomi Tiponi wrote: > The last couple of Snowstorm test builds (e.g. > http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/rev/221902/index.html) > no longer have the 'Changes since last good build' being shown - instead it > is showing 'Unknown'. Is this a bug or will it be like this from now on? > > Hitomi > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
