[OpenIndiana-discuss] About deleting past BEs

[Harry Putnam]

How to tell which BEs are ok to delete. What is common practice
regarding deletion of BEs?

(I do know what the `N' and `R' mean and so not to delete them)

In my current list of BE's (shown at end of post)
I see one marked as backup-1... this is not something I did purposely so
must be the result of an update.  Is there any reason not to delete that
one?

I'm thinking I could delte 0-11 including `4-backup-1' without expecting
any bad repercussions. Is that about right?

I do notice that 1 and 7 are quite a lot larger than the others (not
including the one designated `14 R') and wonder how that happens and if
it has baring on what to delete?

---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

beadm list

BE Active Mountpoint Space Policy Created
openindiana-  -  15.2M static 2017-04-09 11:07
openindiana-1  -  -  3.58G static 2017-04-09 13:20
openindiana-2  -  -  31.7M static 2017-04-09 13:55
openindiana-3  -  -  487M  static 2017-04-14 00:50
openindiana-4  -  -  34.5M static 2017-04-15 11:52
openindiana-4-backup-1 -  -  219K  static 2017-04-16 13:21
openindiana-5  -  -  63.9M static 2017-05-03 06:15
openindiana-6  -  -  615M  static 2017-05-25 12:00
openindiana-7  -  -  1.77G static 2017-07-08 14:07
openindiana-8  -  -  223M  static 2017-07-13 09:05
openindiana-9  -  -  254M  static 2017-07-24 10:50
openindiana-10 -  -  17.3M static 2017-07-27 12:24
openindiana-11 -  -  326M  static 2017-08-18 10:04
openindiana-12 -  -  16.7M static 2017-08-25 07:59
openindiana-13 N  /  6.26M static 2017-09-05 07:57
openindiana-14 R  -  78.2G static 2017-09-26 12:41



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI 2017/10 lightdm under VBox 5.1.28

[Harry Putnam]

Christian Meier  writes:

> Hi
>> I do a pkg update yesterday on my PC (OI native install). After reboot all 
>> is OK.
>>
>> I do the same on a VirtualBox (5.1.28) hosted under Windows Seven.
>>
>> After reboot lightdm won't start
>>
>> Both were 2017/04 OI with update about every month
>
> you need to switch to vesa
>
> see Release Notes:
>
> Xorg was updated to 1.19.5 (Note, that if you run OI as VirtualBox
> guest, you should switch to vesa driver, as latest VirtualBox guest
> additions (currently 5.1.30 or 5.2.0) don't provide Solaris xorg drivers
> for Xorg 1.19)
>

Sorry about dumbo question, but can you mention briefly how this
switching is done?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

I see threads periodically about problems installing Virtualbox on a
recently updated oi.  And some success stories too, but I really would
like to see a summary of how to attempt to install latest vbox.  I
think that would be 5.2.6 currently.

Something that would give a not so adept person running oi hosts, a
fighting chance of successfully getting a very recent vbox installed
and periodically updating it.

I'm currently running 5.0.40 successfully having used JimK's patches
that were actually written for 4*X vbox. (Thank you Jim K). And have
been doing so for a number of months.  But sooner or later I will be
needing to update.

I've already been told on a Debian list that my version was getting
too old for them to advise me on problems with debian vms I work with
on my OI host.  


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zečević - Technical Support Analyst

[...]

> Hi,
>
> There is (beside Jim's solution) another one (I am using it for recent
> versions on my /hipster OI):
>
> $ pfexec pkgrm SUNWvbox
>
> $ tar xf VirtualBox-5.2.6-120293-SunOS.tar.gz
> $ pkgtrans VirtualBox-5.2.6-SunOS-amd64-r120293.pkg . all
> $ rm SUNWvbox/install/checkinstall
> $ sed -i /checkinstall/d SUNWvbox/pkgmap
> $ pfexec pkgadd -d . SUNWvbox
>
> That is derived from guide:
> https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/7.2+VirtualBox#id-72VirtualBox-NotesforinstallingVirtualBoxonHipster

Excellent help, thank you.

New stuff has been added there... I should have bored thru it before
posting.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
 writes:
> # cat tst1
> #!/bin/sh
> pkgtrans VirtualBox-5.2.4-SunOS-amd64-r119785.pkg . all
> rm SUNWvbox/install/checkinstall
> sed -i /checkinstall/d SUNWvbox/pkgmap
> pkgadd -d . SUNWvbox
>
> # cat tst2
> #!/bin/sh 
> VBoxManage extpack install 
> Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.2.4-119785.vbox-extpack
>
> Guests reading from the optical drive is pretty well buggered.  Disk
> images work fine.  If you want to migrate a Windows system to a VM you
> need to use disk2vhd to create the disk image ofd the filesystem.
>
> You also need to load the extensions from an iso image in each guest.
> I had some issues with screen resolution on Debian, but when I came
> back from my trip the problem was gone.  No idea what the issue was.

excellent help, many thanks.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zečević - Technical Support Analyst
 writes:

> On 01/23/18 03:51, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> I see threads periodically about problems installing Virtualbox on a
>> recently updated oi.  And some success stories too, but I really would
>> like to see a summary of how to attempt to install latest vbox.  I
>> think that would be 5.2.6 currently.

[...]


> Hi,
>
> There is (beside Jim's solution) another one (I am using it for recent
> versions on my /hipster OI):
>
> $ pfexec pkgrm SUNWvbox
>
> $ tar xf VirtualBox-5.2.6-120293-SunOS.tar.gz
> $ pkgtrans VirtualBox-5.2.6-SunOS-amd64-r120293.pkg . all
> $ rm SUNWvbox/install/checkinstall
> $ sed -i /checkinstall/d SUNWvbox/pkgmap
> $ pfexec pkgadd -d . SUNWvbox
>
> That is derived from guide:
> https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/7.2+VirtualBox#id-72VirtualBox-NotesforinstallingVirtualBoxonHipster

Your prescription above went off without a hitch ... thanks

I do see something I'm not sure what to do about.  Once I launch the
vbox gui, and start creating new (Linux[ubuntu]) vm, at the very start
one is to enter a name, then in the `Type' box, select an OS. (In this
case `linux').

At that point the next `version' box shows `ubuntu 32'

Clicking the right drop down arrow, I see all the choices are 32 bit,
no 64 bit available.

I would expect that if the host OS was 32 bit but in this case it is a
oi-64 running in a vbox vm on a HP xw8600 also oi-64 as well.

I guess it sounds like those Russian nesting dolls of world fame.

Host M1/
  running `oi' on vm-V1/
  running linux on vm-v1a 

isainfo -b on top level hardware HOST running `oi' shows isainfo -b
 64

isainfo -b on vm-V1  running `oi' shows isainfo -b
 64

Creating a vbox vm on vm-V1 appears to only allow 32 bit.

I have not proceeded beyond creating the vm... have not yet booted
install media on it.

Did you see something like this?.

That is, your vms created on newly installed vbox can only create 32 bit OS's


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

> I'm currently running VBox 5.2.4 on Hipster with Win-7 Pro and Debian
> 9.3 as guests on an HP Z400 I followed the wiki instructions.  Here
> are the scripts I used:
>
>
> # cat tst1
> #!/bin/sh
> pkgtrans VirtualBox-5.2.4-SunOS-amd64-r119785.pkg . all
> rm SUNWvbox/install/checkinstall
> sed -i /checkinstall/d SUNWvbox/pkgmap
> pkgadd -d . SUNWvbox

Please see my most recent response to Predrag B.

The presciption you show above went off without a hitch (Thanks), but
it appears upon creating a new vm with the newly installed vbox
GUI. that it may only be capable of creating 32 bit vms/.

Do you see something like that?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zečević - Technical Support Analyst
 writes:

[...]

Harry wrote:
>> The presciption you show above went off without a hitch (Thanks), but
>> it appears upon creating a new vm with the newly installed vbox
>> GUI. that it may only be capable of creating 32 bit vms/.
>>
>> Do you see something like that?

Predrag Z responded:
> Nope! I see both 32 and 64 bit in the list (will attach picture, if it
> survives).

OK, good to know.

I wanted to try the install of a new Vbox on an oi vm before going to the
hardware but apparently something is interfering with the vms ability
to recognize 64bit.  Maybe something about being nested beneath a vm HOST.

So, going to the hardware (HP xw8600 workstation with freshly updated
OI running.) Maybe the results will be similar to yours.

Thanks for the timely reply.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone: A summary of how to update to latest or recent Virtualbox on oi

[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zečević - Technical Support Analyst
 writes:

Harry wrote:
>> Please see my most recent response to Predrag B.
>>
>> The presciption you show above went off without a hitch (Thanks), but
>> it appears upon creating a new vm with the newly installed vbox
>> GUI. that it may only be capable of creating 32 bit vms/.
>>
>> Do you see something like that?

Predrag Z replied:

> Nope! I see both 32 and 64 bit in the list (will attach picture, if it
> survives).

OK, I braved up and did the install on my HP xw8600 hardware.

Installing a new (5.2.6-120293) vbox on my hardware went off just great.  32 64
bit both available and my existing 7 vbox vms that have been running
on the hardware with VBox 5.0.40 are starting with no problems.

You and Reginald B have steered me right thru this ...
I was really expecting some kind of serious stumbling block.

Thank you both for the great guidance and timely responses.


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[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zečević - Technical Support Analyst
 writes:

[...]

>>
>> The presciption you show above went off without a hitch (Thanks), but
>> it appears upon creating a new vm with the newly installed vbox
>> GUI. that it may only be capable of creating 32 bit vms/.
>>
>> Do you see something like that?
>
> Nope! I see both 32 and 64 bit in the list (will attach picture, if it
> survives).

PS: The image survived just fine on this end ... thanks


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to keep up with what version is being run

[Harry Putnam]

I've been running hipster and updating every month or so but I stopped
updating a while back ([1-2] mnths) since it was looking like updating
might well take more skill than I possess.

I wondered how I can tell which version (which update) is running?

Thought maybe the kernel name might be an indicator.. the names look
like a shortened version of a git update number.

Maybe all wet but can someone tell how to know which version is
running?


This installation is running on hardware: HP xw8600 2x xeon. 54.70

Current kernel name:
  SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-a356818ef9 i86pc i386 i86pc

Is updating from there likely to be a sticky proposition for an
underskilled user?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI Hipster 2018.04 snapshot

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:

> Hi.
>
> OI Hipster 2018.04 snapshot is ready.
>
> Images:
>
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-gui-20180427.iso
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-gui-20180427.usb
>
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-text-20180427.iso
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-text-20180427.usb
>
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-minimal-20180427.iso
> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/20180427/OI-hipster-minimal-20180427.usb

Been out of touch for some months, would now like to update a couple
of Oracle vms as a trial run toward updating my main Hdw installation
of OI.

The vms are installed/running on OI (The eventual update target):
  The Illumos Project  SunOS 5.11   illumos-a356818ef9   February 2018

installed vm current version is:

  The Illumos Project  SunOS 5.11   illumos-8c33116662   January 2018

So about 7 months old.

I would like to know if I am likely to run into serious problems just
using the normal update process: `pkg -v update' or if better off to
do fresh install from latest image?

As mentioned the aim is to have a trial run at updating an older version
from Jan 2018 to current image with an eye toward updating an actual
hdw install to current following the trial run on vm

Have there been such significant changes since Jan/Feb as to render a
plain `pkg -v update' a non-starter or a likely disaster?



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Missing some major things on mate desktop

[Harry Putnam]

First, let me say it has been a very long time since I made any
adjustments or updates to my version of hipster.  It runs continuously
but I use it for vboxes and rarely use the parent OS (Hipster)

It's a pretty old version now too:

  uname -a
  SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-a356818ef9 i86pc i386 i86pc
  
I just noticed today that several things are missing from the stock
mate desktop, namely the first few items at top left of screen:

Beginning with the stylized `OI' and followed by the header links, so: 

'OI'  `Applications'  `Places'  `System'

So I do not have access to the items normally found under those headings.

(see small image showing from upper left corner, with a few inches
down and a few to the right shown)


Is there some setting I may have made and forgot that would do that?
If not can anyone think of what might cause this?

I have done a reboot a few a minutes ago but it comes up the same way.

It may have been this way for some time because as I mentioned I have
not been paying much attention to the parent OS for a while.



  
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Manufactured 2008

[Harry Putnam]

I'm running hipster on an HP xw8600.  Don't want to open it up right
now but I think I've seen something a while back indicating it was
manufactured in 2010 or so.  

Someone here will know if that is possible, but at any rate it is
pretty old.

It's a 2x with Xeon 5450 @ 3.00Hz processors 

What I want to know is what would be todays equivalent to what this
old beast was in it's day.

Since it has 32 GB of ram it still seems pretty fast and powerful,
but I'd like to try a modern equivalent and see what its like.

If anyone is willing and knowledgeable about Xeon's, please let me know
what would be a Xeon model 4-5 yrs old that would be a modern
equivalent.

I've confused myself pretty thoroughly pawing thru Xeon's online
stuff.  But I'd like to start shopping on ebay and similar sites for a
newer setup.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Missing some major things on mate desktop

[Harry Putnam]

Andreas Wacknitz  writes:

> Am 17.08.19 um 02:48 schrieb Harry Putnam:
>> First, let me say it has been a very long time since I made any
>> adjustments or updates to my version of hipster.  It runs continuously
>> but I use it for vboxes and rarely use the parent OS (Hipster)
>>
>> It's a pretty old version now too:
>>
>>   uname -a
>>   SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-a356818ef9 i86pc i386 i86pc
>>   
>> I just noticed today that several things are missing from the stock
>> mate desktop, namely the first few items at top left of screen:
>>
>> Beginning with the stylized `OI' and followed by the header links, so: 
>>
>> 'OI'  `Applications'  `Places'  `System'
>>
>> So I do not have access to the items normally found under those headings.
>>
>> (see small image showing from upper left corner, with a few inches
>> down and a few to the right shown)
>>
>>
>> Is there some setting I may have made and forgot that would do that?
>> If not can anyone think of what might cause this?
> You might have removed them from the panel. You can re-add them. Just
> right-click in the panel and choose "add to panel..." (or similar, in
> German it's "Zur Leiste hinzufügen..."). You will presented a list of
> all available things and can add them to the panel.
> Alternatively there is also a menu entry "reset panel". But this will
> create default panels without any application (in my case) and you will
> have to add firefox and thunderbird starters and all the other things
> you want to have.

Thanks for the response.

Looking over the list of things offered when using `add to panel I do
not see the things missing on mine i.e.:

(as mentioned: stylized)'OI', `Applications', `Places', `System'
 the 'OI' plus those three main header links do not appear on the
list.

Where do you find the `reset panel' item?



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] HP Z820 .. will have big troubles installing hipster

[Harry Putnam]

(NOTE: this is NOT a spammy `selling' msg)

See this ebay offering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z820-Xeon-2X-E5-2640-6Core-64GB-RAM-180GB-SSD-3TB-Nvidia-400-Workstation/143348010960?hash=item2160350fd0:g:Wr8AAOSwba1dG7FX

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if this item seems almost
unreasonably cheap, like maybe it's been hit with a sledgehammer on
the side you can't see. . . hehe

I'd really like to hear some opinions.

I have installed OI and then hipster on older HP work station (HP
xw8600) (Running for a couple of yrs now) but have run into a few
things.  One being that the xw8600 workstation will not recognize HHD
bigger than 2tb.  (Surprisingly OI-hipster still recognizes the
several 3tb hhd I have on it and is able to use them anyway)

Is it likely I would have serious problems installing hipster on
the ebay offering . Are there issues installing hipster on ssd?



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Missing some major things on mate desktop

[Harry Putnam]

Andreas Wacknitz  writes:

[...]

>> Looking over the list of things offered when using `add to panel I do
>> not see the things missing on mine i.e.:
>>
>> (as mentioned: stylized)'OI', `Applications', `Places', `System'
>>  the 'OI' plus those three main header links do not appear on the
>> list.
>>
>> Where do you find the `reset panel' item?

Andreas writes:
> In my environment "Leiste zurücksetzen" is the third menu entry when I
> right click into the panel.
> The three menu entries ('OI Applications', 'Places' and 'System') are
> represented by a single thing called "Hauptmenü" in German,
> so it should be an entry like "main menu" in the list of panel things.
> You could do some experiments because you can easily remove
> things or start from scratch if you choose "reset panel"...

Ahh, finally kicked myself out of idiot mode and now see the `main
menu' item... works as you suggested.

Thank you sir!


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] updating an older version of hipster

[Harry Putnam]

I've decided to finally update my version of hipster.  I think it
might date to January of 2018 going by the date on the last zfs
creation date.

I want to know if the details I've extracted from the running version
shown below will provide enough info for someone to answer my
questions shown below.


,
| uname -a
|  SunOS oiv 5.11 illumos-8c33116662 i86pc i386 i86pc
`

Can the date of the kernel above be divined from the version number above? 

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

,
| sudo ls /.zfs/snapshot
|   zfs-auto-snap_monthly-2018-01-06-16h05
`

I do not recall, but I may have continued to run OS beyond the date
of last `auto snapshot' shown above.  I may have ran the OS without
the auto snapshot enabled but I believe the date shown is at least
close to the last run date.

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

,
| pkg publisher
| PUBLISHER   TYPE STATUS P LOCATION
|  openindiana.org  origin   online F http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/
`

Before updating the OS, will I need to do anything with publisher shown
above?

And lastly:

Although I have run Openindiana and then Hipster for a few years, I
still have only a basic skill level: Am I likely to run into serious
problems updating from a version over a 1 year old?



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] No boot of 19.10 as vbox vm

[Harry Putnam]

Host: Oldish version of Hipster:
  SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-a356818ef9 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
  
 (Probably about 1.5 yrs old)

Running on HP xw8600 hardware

Virtual Box version 5.26
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

Attempting to install from 19.10 gui ISO

Boot freezes at point shown in this image:


Can anyone make out a reason for boot failure from the output above?
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Might have jumped too soon with damaged rpool

[Harry Putnam]

Running quite an old version of hipster

   SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-a356818ef9 i86pc i386 i86pc

I have a setup so shaky I've been afraid to try update to current
hipster.  But that is not the subject of this post:

I found this message on rpool

,
| root # zpool status rpool
|   pool: rpool
|  state: DEGRADED
| status: One or more devices are faulted in response to persistent errors.
| Sufficient replicas exist for the pool to continue functioning in a
| degraded state.
| action: Replace the faulted device, or use 'zpool clear' to mark the device
| repaired.
|   scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h18m with 0 errors on Mon Jan  8 18:38:42 2018
| config:
| 
| NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM
| rpool   DEGRADED 0 0 0
|   mirror-0  DEGRADED 0 0 0
| c5d0s0  FAULTED  0 0 0  too many errors
| c5d1ONLINE   0 0 0
`

As you see, this status was taken after completing a scrub attempting
to correct the problems

You see the result of the scrub was goose eggs

I also tried the `zpool clear' recommended in status report above.

That failed to clear the problem.

I decided to detached the bad disk (c5d0s0), thinking there was some repair
possibilities  working on the disk by itself... and soon discovered I
didn't really have a clue how proceed.

Googling turned up a good bit about working on s pool, but having trouble
finding what I can do to the detached disk to fix it.

Can anyone offer a way to proceed?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Might have jumped too soon with damaged rpool

[Harry Putnam]

James  writes:

> On 18/12/2019 10:47, Till Wegmüller wrote:
>
>> 1. Buy or Organize a new Disk with the same RPM and the same or Bigger
>> Capacity. If your current disk is not sold anymore then just focus on a
>> brand you trust with the same RPM and bigger Capacity. If the new disk
>> is bigger than c5d1 then any excess will simply not be addressable by
>> ZFS. Which is not be an issue if it is just a couple of GB. If you wish
>> to have two new disks as you final configuration then just grab any two
>> disks you like or even SSD's. The main assumption is of course that any
>> disk you pick fits your physical Plugs.
>
> I thought the sector size should match else it causes a performance problem.
>
> Harry, test with:
> $ zdb -C | grep ashift

zdb -C rpool|grep ashift

ashift: 9

[...] snipped the rest of discussion from all posters
  Thanks for the excellent input.
  
After hearing from you all, I'm wondering if this isn't the time to
take a step I've been dodging a good while.  That is installing a much
newer version of hipster.

A good while back. probably over a yr now I decided to expand my
system but running out of space for discs so got some 3 tb disks, only
to find that my old hardware (HP xw8600 workstation circa 2008 with
twin 5450 xeon cpu) is not capable of handling 3 tb discs.

And on bootup I see messages to the effect that certain hardware is
not present and later I'm told p1 (one of my 3 zpools) (the one with
the 3tb discs) will not be supported.

(Sorry I don't have the messages to hand at the moment)

Any time I have to reboot the OS I'm holding my breath that it will
fail miserably

But my old version of hipster just goes right ahead and recognizes and
uses the 3tb discs.

So cutting to the chase, Its too big an expense right now to invest in
newer hardware with newer versions of xeon cpus

But, I have no reason to think a newer version of hipster won't
continue to use the unsupported 3 tb discs so maybe... and finally to
the chase:

There is nothing on my current rpool that I really need so . . .

Maybe I should get two new matching discs for rpool Install them and
install a current version of hipster on them  



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Might have jumped too soon with damaged rpool

[Harry Putnam]

judahrichardson  writes:

> If you're having trouble with 3 TB and larger disks, more than likely
> all you need is a firmware (read: BIOS) update (if one is available)
> to fix it. Check HP's support site.
>

I did check that when I first ran into the trouble over a year ago.

According to HP support site my current bios is the lastest
available.

I have: 
Hewlett-Packard 786F5 v01.46 09/20/2012



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Meaning of `list list' header columns particularly REFER

[Harry Putnam]

Still puzzled by the output of zfs list. In particular the REFER
header. 

NAME  USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
[...]
p1/vb1.54T   556G  26.9G  /vb
p1/vb/vm  738G   556G   323G  /vb/vm

Why the massive difference between USED and REFER

and what does REFER actually mean?

Googling this finds massive info about zfs and probably a snippet in
there somewhere will explain it, but finding it is not so easy.

With google's dumbed down search capabiility using quotes around REFER or
the like doesn't seem to pare the field.

A google seach like [ understanding "zfs list output" ] without
the brackets (used here to indicate the string used), but with quotes as
shown, two of the first hits are all about snapshots instead of
explaining the basic meaning of the headline colums.

Even adding `-snapshot'  to try to cut to the chase seems only to
produce plenty of discussion about zfs and zfs list but so far I find
no simple and succinct exposition of what the heads mean.

man zfs has one occurrence of `REFER' and it is not about its
meaning.  Searching "man zfs" on `list output' gets no hits at all.

Such a strait forward question must have a full answer somewhere.

Can anyone help me find it?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Meaning of `list list' header columns particularly REFER

[Harry Putnam]

"Richard L. Hamilton"  writes:

> You have to think of what might be the popular, unique (or unlikely to
> match something else), and concise form of the question to get good
> results with google, which probably uses previous choices of which
> result to click on for a given search, to help rank future results.
>
> A  search for
>
> zfs refer vs used
>
> gives in the first few results, explanations like

[...]

Thanks for the quick input

My own feeble search strings turned up those same hits, but as you say
I see no explanation of the fields.

Surely there exists a full explanation of each field somewhere . . . 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Meaning of `list list' header columns particularly REFER

[Harry Putnam]

"Richard L. Hamilton"  writes:

> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gazss/index.html
> 
> appears to have a brief description of ALL of the space related
> properties of zfs. Also see
> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gcfgz/index.html
>  which
> gives more detail of what makes up "used".

Well, it covers a bit of it... but pretty weak all in all, far as a
full description of what each field really means

Thanks much for putting in the legwork.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Meaning of `list list' header columns particularly REFER

[Harry Putnam]

Till Wegmüller  writes:

> I can't remember where I learned it but I know what they mean.
>
> I think all if from the zfs man page.
>
> Refer is short for Blocks referenced. It shows the size of the
> Filesystem table at that the Snapshot or Dataset References. Even if the
> Blocks on disk are not related to that snapshot. Usefull when restoring
> a clone via rsync from a snapshot for a testing database for example. So
> you know how much space the clone will consume. Used refers to the
> Blocks the Snapshot or Dataset uses on Disk. It is what is really eating
> your diskspace if you run out of it.

[...]

Great input thanks


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Major time sync booting the gui installer

[Harry Putnam]

I've tried booting the latest 1910 iso several times on vbox vm and
seems to be the slowest thing imaginable, its been running for 10
minutes now and hasn't completely cleared the boot screen... still
part of it visible.

I made 3 other attempts about a week ago and had the same long long
experience. 

Is this just happening on my end or are others having a problem like this?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Lost time slider and network icons

[Harry Putnam]

Recently install from an old image 1710?? since it seemed I could not
get the newest installed

This is on Vbox as guest on an OI host

Following a full update, on reboot, something popped up about an icon
saying it needed attention and did I wan to delete it... I foolishly
clicked the delete to allow the startup to finish.

So, apparently the trouble was with the icons now missing.  Timeslider
and network up in the right corner.

Desktop is Mate.
How would I go about re-establish those icons?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Major time sync booting the gui installer

[Harry Putnam]

Michal Nowak via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

> On 01/05/20 03:06 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> I've tried booting the latest 1910 iso several times on vbox vm and
>> seems to be the slowest thing imaginable, its been running for 10
>> minutes now and hasn't completely cleared the boot screen... still
>> part of it visible.
>>
>> I made 3 other attempts about a week ago and had the same long long
>> experience.
>>
>> Is this just happening on my end or are others having a problem like this?
>
> For me OI works reasonably well on OpenIndiana's VirtualBox.

> Can you state the host's VirtualBox version and OS, host's CPU, VM's
> RAM assigned and storage type used?

I can and will but the problem answered itself I think.. I'll explain
and try to brief.

VBox v. 6.04 

Host: (Hardware) HP xw8600 2x xeon 56.? 32 GB ram Old but still
powerfull. 
Os on host `newest version of windows 10.

I found some time after my post that somehow the disks to that vm had
become copied and scattered around the OS.  It began (Windows 10 OS) at
F:\vb\vm\XX-vm with disks under XX-vm.  

Upon Looking for 2 screen shots I had taken during one of the boot ups
I noticed a directory at F:\vb\vm\IO and under that were 2 of the
disks.  

Investigating further; I was astonished to find a copy of the
whole directory tree:

C:\vb\vm\XX-vm more disks And at C:\vb\vm\IO 2 more disks all the
discs were present in each tree, so a full set of copies including the
IO directories.

Those`IO' directoies must be something VBox does under some certain
(and pretty uncommon) ) conditions.  I've never seen it before or
anything else nearly so confusing using VBox

I'm pretty sure behind it all is some idiocy of mine... just not sure
what. And further, I'm pretty sure those scattered discs are the
reason for the unreasonable sloth.


I've never seen anything like that, but will say I did experiment with
snapshots;  something I haven't done before and may have done something
off the wall.

Sorry for the line noise.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] What pkgs for building gnu stuff

[Harry Putnam]

Does openindian have a package cluster or something similar for
working gnu software building?

If not what are the packages I would need for building emacs?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] how to upgrade from 2018.10 t0 2019.11 using `pkg'

[Harry Putnam]

Wanting to upgrade from one release to a more recent one.  Not having
much success with google.

Running 2018.10 on one host and 2017.10 on another, I'd like to
upgrade both to 2019.11. using the `pkg' tool. Not doing a full
install from 2019.11 iso.

Is that possible?  If so, a few suggestion examples would really help.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] pkg dates and /etc/release do not agree

[Harry Putnam]

I'm working on how to update my hosts from 18.10 to 19.11 with just
the pkg command, no reinstall from 19.11 iso.

In the course of things I happened to notice that the /etc/release
page says:

 OpenIndiana Hipster 2019.10 (powered by illumos)
OpenIndiana Project, part of The Illumos Foundation (C) 2010-2019
Use is subject to license terms.
   Assembled 02 November 2019

Well whooptee do.. I'm already there.

Accept pkg shows a different story:

After having run update a few times

pkg search -pH entire

  [...]

  pkg:/entire@0.5.11-2018.0.0.0   openindiana.org


And it does shows that on all the files I tried.

I have rebooted a couple of times too after each of the update runs


So what does this mean?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] settings in boot screen

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: running Vbox vm guest on a hardware host OI.

I noticed there is a chance to setup the boot to be verbose by
clicking  5 on boot screen then number 5 (verbose) again.

Followed by 1 and 1 again to get the bootup started again.

How can I make that a permanent feature os bootups?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] how to upgrade from 2018.10 t0 2019.11 using `pkg'

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

> Hi.
>
> There's no documented procedure to update to some 'release', as we
> don't have releases, just 'snapshots'. You are assumed to run latest
> bits.
> Usually, you can just run pkg update.

Thanks .. I was looking at this all wrong, thanks for steering me
straight

I posted another message about the files not matchin the release date
and again ... had the wrong idea about that too.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] pkg dates and /etc/release do not agree

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> I'm working on how to update my hosts from 18.10 to 19.11 with just
> the pkg command, no reinstall from 19.11 iso.
>
> In the course of things I happened to notice that the /etc/release
> page says:
>
>  OpenIndiana Hipster 2019.10 (powered by illumos)
> OpenIndiana Project, part of The Illumos Foundation (C) 2010-2019
> Use is subject to license terms.
>Assembled 02 November 2019
>
> Well whooptee do.. I'm already there.

Please excuse this post... I had a lot of wrong notions about this
works. .. Alexander Pyhalov responded to an earlier post and kind of
steered toward how it works... thanks A Pyhalov


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What pkgs for building gnu stuff

[Harry Putnam]

Michal Nowak via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

> On 01/19/20 05:55 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Does openindian have a package cluster or something similar for
>> working gnu software building?
>>
>> If not what are the packages I would need for building emacs?
>
> I don't know what is "package cluster", but we provide the latest GNU
> Emacs and thus also it's build dependencies, see
> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/blob/oi/hipster/components/editor/emacs/Makefile#L186
> for the list.

Thanks for your response.. by `package cluster' I just meant the
groups of tools and libraries required to build some gnu stuff from
source.

When I build emacs from source on linux I always seem to need to
install a few more libraries or tools so thought someone here might
have some sort of list.

I've installed emacs thru the pkg tool now so will build from sources some
time in the future. 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What pkgs for building gnu stuff

[Harry Putnam]

Alan Coopersmith  writes:


> IPS calls them group packages, and it sounds like you're asking for the one
> named developer/gnu:
>
> http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/developer%2Fgnu%400.5.11%2C5.11-2018.0.0.0%3A20180211T131009Z

thanks for the good input.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Odd pager behavior folowing major update

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: 
Hardware: HP xw8600 2x xeon 3.00 hgz
Running OI/hipster v. 2019.11.06 with most recent updates

I just updated from a quite an old version of hipster, from
2018-02-09

Great thanks to developers of hipster .. that is pretty big jump to
survive with no serious problems.

Following the update I have not noticed any really major problems.  

However I do see something quite odd in the virtual desktops of Mate

Icons inside the small desktop view on panel are sometimes nearly invisible.
Only represented by what looks like a line drawing of a box. That is a
hollow rectangle made of a dim dark gray line.

I have not divined yet what cause some to be plainly visible and other
not. It does not follow specific icons that is, the nearly invisble
happen sort of randomly.  although at least two seem to persist
What is mostly represented in them are icons of Vbox vms running on 
VB version 6.0.14 installed by pkg tools.

It also happens to xterms, Mate-terminals, etc.

No indication of what the rectangle represents until clicked

Wondering if anyone else has noticed anything similar and further what
might be done to fix it.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Odd pager behavior folowing major update

[Harry Putnam]

Michal Nowak via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

> On 29/01/2020 17:39, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Setup:
>> Hardware: HP xw8600 2x xeon 3.00 hgz
>> Running OI/hipster v. 2019.11.06 with most recent updates
>>
>> I just updated from a quite an old version of hipster, from
>> 2018-02-09
>>
>> Great thanks to developers of hipster .. that is pretty big jump to
>> survive with no serious problems.
>>
>> Following the update I have not noticed any really major problems.
>>
>> However I do see something quite odd in the virtual desktops of Mate
>>
>> Icons inside the small desktop view on panel are sometimes nearly invisible.
>> Only represented by what looks like a line drawing of a box. That is a
>> hollow rectangle made of a dim dark gray line.
>>
>> I have not divined yet what cause some to be plainly visible and other
>> not. It does not follow specific icons that is, the nearly invisble
>> happen sort of randomly.  although at least two seem to persist
>> What is mostly represented in them are icons of Vbox vms running on
>> VB version 6.0.14 installed by pkg tools.
>>
>> It also happens to xterms, Mate-terminals, etc.
>>
>> No indication of what the rectangle represents until clicked
>>
>> Wondering if anyone else has noticed anything similar and further what
>> might be done to fix it.
>
> Can you please attach a screenshot so I have a better idea of what is
> happening?

thanks for reply.  Here is a screen shot... the lower edge is a bit
shy of the actual edge on screen, couldn't get it any lower but you
can see the box outlines I spoke of.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] A bit silly but needed

[Harry Putnam]

Sorry for the time waster but I'm sort of out of ideas about this

I set something a while back that made calling zfs list -r show only
snapshots.

I'm pretty sure it did not involve aliases or the like just some
setting.

Can anyone help me remember and allow me to unset what ever it was?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A bit silly but needed

[Harry Putnam]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the time waster but I'm sort of out of ideas about this
>>
>> I set something a while back that made calling zfs list -r show only
>> snapshots.
>
> zfs list -r -t snapshot fs
>

I must be  explaining myself poorly

Yes `zfs list -r -t snapshot fs' shows only the snapshots on fs

but `zfs list' (with no target) should not show snapshots
 `zfs list -r with no target should not either

I did something that now makes a simple `zfs list' (with no target)
show much more than it should, including many snapshots

On my full hardware system of OI with recent full updates (not a vbox vm)

(Its made up of 3 mirrored pools rpool, p0 and p1)

   zfs list |wc -l  
 650
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

   zfs list |grep \@ |wc -l
  574  are snapshots
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---   

But you can see from the attached output of just `zfs list' (below)
that its showing the whole file hierarchy (rpool, p0, p1) plus
snapshots but only from rpool.

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

zfs list |grep -v \@|wc -l
  55  (only 55 are the actual file systems)

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

`zfs list' should only be showing the 55 file systems right?


But its not really all snapshots either

zfs list -r -t snapshot|wc -l
  1596  (only snapshots)

some how I'm now getting a big messy view from `zfs list'

I vaguely remember doing something to cause this... but do not really
remember what ... a curse of my 75 yrs I guess.

Output from `zfs list'

NAMEUSED  AVAIL 
 REFER  MOUNTPOINT
p0  590G   309G 
   21K  /p/p0
p0/projects 984M   309G 
  242K  /projects
p0/projects/2x  984M   309G 
  971M  /projects/2x
p0/rpub25.2G   309G 
  247K  /rpub
p0/rpub/d0 8.66G   309G 
 8.65G  /rpub/d0
p0/rpub/dv 16.6G   309G 
 11.8G  /rpub/dv
p0/vb2  563G   309G 
 61.2G  /vb2
p0/vb2/vm2  367G   309G 
   25K  /vm2
p0/vb2/vm2/d0   270G   309G 
  261G  /vb2/vm2/d0
p0/vb2/vm2/ff  12.5G   309G 
 8.44G  /vb2/vm2/ff
p0/vb2/vm2/ff2 84.5G   309G 
 59.6G  /vb2/vm2/ff2
p1 1.09T  1.54T 
   23K  /p1
p1/0-bdisk056.7G  1.60T 
   12K  -
p1/oi  19.3G  1.54T 
 17.6G  /vb2/vm2/oi
p1/ow.227.8G  1.54T 
 77.5K  /vb2/vm2/ow.2
p1/rhosts   310G  1.54T 
 5.10M  /rhosts
p1/rhosts/2x2   280G  1.54T 
   26K  /rhosts/2x2
p1/rhosts/2x2/Images275G  1.54T 
  274G  /rhosts/2x2/Images
p1/rhosts/2x2/music4.67G  1.54T 
 4.67G  /rhosts/2x2/music
p1/rhosts/d0   9.75G  1.54T 
 9.71G  /rhosts/d0
p1/rhosts/d0-assorted_bkups12.0G  1.54T 
 11.9G  /rhosts/d0-assorted_bkups
p1/rhosts/d0b  8.64G  1.54T 
 8.60G  /rhosts/d0b
p1/rhosts/d1319K  1.54T 
   24K  /rhosts/d1
p1/rhosts/d2319K  1.54T 
   24K  /rhosts/d2
p1/rhosts/k0319K  1.54T 
   24K  /rhosts/k0
p1/rhosts/oi2   305K  1.54T 
   24K  /rhosts/oi2
p1/rhosts/oit   319K  1.54T 
   24K  /rhosts/oit
p1/rhosts/reader   9.71M  1.54T 
 4.40M  /rhosts/reader
p1/vb   703G  1.54T 
 9.49G  /vb
p1/vb/vm658G  1.54T 
   36K  /vb/vm
p1/z0   130K  1.54T 
   39K  /vb2/vm2/z0
rpool 

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A bit silly but needed

[Harry Putnam]

James  writes:

> On 02/02/2020 11:46, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>> but `zfs list' (with no target) should not show snapshots
>>  `zfs list -r with no target should not either
>
> # zpool get listsnapshots tank
> NAME  PROPERTY   VALUE  SOURCE
> tank  listsnapshots  ondefault
> # zpool set listsnapshots=off tank
> # zpool get listsnapshots tank
> NAME  PROPERTY   VALUE  SOURCE
> tank  listsnapshots  off local

A mighty thank you to you sir.  I might have looked a very long and
fruitless time for that . . .


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] OT Help with Repair of HPxw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Sorry about OT topic but hoped someone here could offer helpful URLS
and such.

My old HP xw8600 that I have been running OI one for some years has
broke down.

I'm a bit lost at trying to repair an old HP xw8600.

I get 5 beeps pause and repeat on attempt to boot.

>From Manuals and such I find that means a memory problem.

I guess it would require me to remove 1 at a time and attempt to boot
to find one or more that are faulty.

I'm a bit nervous about trying this myself.

Ok is that one a time scenario even a real option?  I wondered what
happens when you remove a mem stick... will a boot be
possible. even with all but one removed?

Also curious if parts are even available for older HP xw8600
manufactured in 2008.

The helpful forums that used to be on HP's own site appear to have
been redone or maybe consolidated or something... at any rate was not
able to find forum help I used several years ago there.  And a posted 
question about the 5 beep syndrome has gone unanswered for a week.

Again, not looking for a discussion here only hoping for URLS or other
pointers that will help me do it myself.

Especially would be good if someone knows someone who actual has done
such work and is willing to correspond with me.


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[Harry Putnam]

"Alex Smith (K4RNT)"  writes:

> Memtest86+ is a godsend.

[...]

Andreas Wacknitz  writes:

[...]

> I have tried to find some information about the machine but it wasn't as
> successful as I expected it from HP.

I had a little break through on that front.  It turns out I actually
saved a good snippet from xw8600 manual regarding removing/installing
memoery. 

Stuffed it into the many bits I have accumulated in `evernote'.  Put
it in there at least 2 years ago, but kind of forgot to scan through the
stuff saved in evernote until yesterday.

[...]

Till Wegmüller  writes:

> The most common thing that happens for me is dust in the electronic
> connectors. Although I do live in a house with terrible dust issue.
>
> Vacuuming the Machine will not hurt though.

[...]

Jonathan Adams  writes:

> Um, vacuuming a computer can really hurt, especially old computers.
>
> You can get static build up on the nozzle of the hoover, which can fry
> chips ... I know from experience :-\
>
> 4 months ago I probably had spare memory chips, but it all went in the skip
> when the office closed.

[...]

Bill Czermak  writes:


[...]

Jonathan Adams  writes:

> If you want guaranteed compatibility, you might be best off going to
> "mrmemory" :
>
> https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/memory-ram-upgrades/hp/workstation/xw8600

[...]

H Putnam writes:

Great and Excellent input, thank you all for your generous help.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Concerning replacing mirrored boot disks

[Harry Putnam]

Setup
Running a couple months old OI update
I use simple mirrored pairs for yrs now.
This is not a commercial operation or even a very serious homeboy HOST.

I had a disk failure some time ago that is one of the mirrored boot
disks. I have yet to fix that.

They were a pair of 700 GB disks I had on hand so used them for the
boot root disk pair some yrs ago now.  They are now a bit old and may
be hard to replace with matching new disk

   . . . (Hope this doesn't all just sound like gobbledy goop) ...

Because of the hefty 700gb size for root OS and boot bits, overtime
I've allowed data filesystems to creep onto them.

Of course I need to replace the bad disk. 

I want to reduce the size of the boot disks anyway and totally avoid
having any data but OS on them. So, first off I will get the extra FS
off of working  boot disk.  (I currently have plenty of room)

So wondering a bit about how to proceed from there.

I think I'd like to replace the bad disk with new 250 GB HDD.

Assuming the data on the remaining boot 700gb disk is smaller than 250
gb, (In the actual case it will be a good bit smaller and only contain
OS) will the silvering of new smaller disk work?

Will the 700 GB and 250 GB be able to pair that way?

Will it be possible to transfer the boot bits to the new 250 GB?

And finally:
Once able to boot from the new 250 gb, I would then replace the other
700 GB with another 250 gb that matches the first.

Thus ending with a matched pair of 250 GB disks holding OS and boot
bits.

Is that process even possible in the way described?

   ... Or ...

Would I be ahead of the game by exporting all but root FS
Replacing the 700gb disks with pair of new 250s and reinstall from
latest OI release?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] With full update Can I run latest VBox

[Harry Putnam]

Can anyone tell me if I do a full update from my current OI, will I be
able to run the latest VBox? ... I mean the latest at Oracle vbox site


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] the dirty lowdown hold not giving up the ghost

[Harry Putnam]

I hope this is something I've boneheadedly overlooked.

I ran into a `busy' snapshot I want to destroy.

I tried the methods given here:

https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gjdfk/index.html

destroy -d and then release -r keep

Neither appear to do a blessed thing.

Surely the damn thing can't just stay `busy' from no on.

the number of the snapshot is 140929 which is also the date of creation.
So this thing has been hanging here for 7 yrs already and by all outward
appearances is prepared for many more.

There must be some trick way to unhold this dog.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] the dirty lowdown hold not giving up the ghost

[Harry Putnam]

"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S&T-Student)"  writes:

> Maybe this is too obvious, but "keep" is just the string they chose to
> use in that documentation page, you need to know the right string for
> your snapshot in order to release the hold.  You can get a list of the
> current holds on a snapshot with "zfs holds".

Thanks for being too kind to say `maybe its too dumb'.

Turned out the string was `kp' and once released it disappeared.

thanks for soft elbow nudge.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

[Harry Putnam]

I've been running on a single rpool disk of what was a mirrored pair for
some time and am planning on correcting that now.  One disc went belly
up some months ago.

I want to take the opportunity to introduce a pair of 300gb
velocaraptors (sp) to replace both the bad disk and the working disk.

'the orginals where a pair of 700GB sata discs now quite long in the
tooth, and as mentioned one down already.

So, I'm wondering how to go at this.  If I  stick in one of the
300 GB `raptors' and make it a mirror to the working 700gb rpool disk what
will happen?

There is nowhere near 300GB data on that single 700GB disk holding
rpool.

Will that mean that the mismatch in disk space will just be lost from
the 700GB disk?  And once I've made the new 300gb mirror bootable,
could I then pull that last remaining 700GB disk and insert the second
300gb `raptor, make it a mirror, render it bootable and proceed on my
way with once again a matched pair of mirror discs on rpool?

Somehow I have bad feeling I'm overlooking a few things that might
bite me in the booty.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

[Harry Putnam]

"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S&T-Student)"  writes:

> Having (much) less than 300GB of data doesn't mean none of it is
> written past the 300GB mark, and I believe mirror vdevs use the same
> offset in each component device for the mirror copies.  Even for
> relatively simple fs-on-softraid setups, you have to use specialized
> tools to move data out of the end of the partition and update its new
> location in all other filesystem structures, and these usually operate
> while the filesystem is unmounted.  I don't know if such tools exist
> for zfs.  Doing this with the filesystem mounted would need at least
> block pointer rewrite (which has been on the wishlist for a long
> time).  I expect zpool will just tell you it can't be attached as a
> mirror because it is the wrong size, no matter what other options used
> (take care not to accidentally use "add").
>
> However, if you made a new pool from scratch and used zfs send and
> receive, and then did whatever to get the bootloader squared away, you
> could then swap to the new disks.

Ugh ... thanks for good info.. the option above sounds like the way to
go. 

> SSDs would be a lot more noticeable upgrade than velociraptors, and
> run cooler.  I haven't tried setting up overprovisioning on zfs boot
> drives yet, though.

I have to be careful what I try to install on this old HP wx 8600.
Maybe SSDs would be fine,  but, for example, I bought 2 3tb discs and
installed them ... only to find the HP xw8600 could not run 3 TB
disks.

Thanks for the good input.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] basic send/recv: how to mk mountpoint where you want it

[Harry Putnam]

Haven't used send/recv to speak of but experimenting today I wonder if
there is some tricky way to set mountpoint of the recvd filesystem in
some better way that what I've been getting:

Here I see seems sort of wrong:
(First let me establish some basics)

,
| On recv host:
|
| zfs list -r p0:
| 
| NAME   USED  AVAIL REFER  MOUNTPOINT
| p0 412K   386G   24K  /p0
| p0/git  24K   386G   24K  /usr/local/src/git
| p0/spool24K   386G   24K  /spool
`

Now running send / recv

 zfs send p0/projects@201017|ssh RH zfs recv p0/projects

OK .. no errors

,
| So, looking on recv host again:
| 
| p0   98.3M   385G   24K  /p0
| p0/git 24K   385G   24K  /usr/local/src/git
| p0/projects  97.9M   385G 97.9M  /p0/projects
| p0/spool   24K   385G   24K  /spool
`

Notice the mountpoint is /p0/projects

So now I have to login to recv host and set mountpoint to what I want.

So it seems then that unless there is a better way I might as well had
logged in on recv host ran:

zfs create -o mountpoint=/projects  p0/projects

then rsynced the data into it.

Seems like the mount of work and time would be about the same (unless
since my data sample is small, I'm seeing a skewed test in the event
rsync is much slower than send recv)

Hopefully some of you will see my errors and clear this up for me.




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] basic send/recv: how to mk mountpoint where you want it

[Harry Putnam]

"Damien O'Shea"  writes:

> zfs send -p will send the filesystem properties as well. Such as
> mountpoint.

Haa completely overlooked that in my man page reading.

  ...  Nice ...

Thank you sir

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] silence Nuasance keyboard bell

[Harry Putnam]

Very recent updated hipster... but problem has been there forever.

When at the keyboard certain moves like going up to and try to pass
backward limit of typing or forward I hear a quite load and very
annoying buzzer

Not sure I'm describing this very well but anyone who hears that darn
buzzer or bell will know of what I speak.

Getting to the chase.

Is there some way to silence that darned thing? 


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] silence Nuasance keyboard bell

[Harry Putnam]

Very recent updated hipster... but problem has been there forever.

When at the keyboard certain moves like going up to and try to pass
backward limit of typing or forward I hear a quite load and very
annoying buzzer

Not sure I'm describing this very well but anyone who hears that darn
buzzer or bell will know of what I speak.

Getting to the chase.

Is there some way to silence that darned thing? 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] silence Nuasance keyboard bell

[Harry Putnam]

Andreas Wacknitz  writes:

> Am 21.10.20 um 19:57 schrieb Harry Putnam:
>> Very recent updated hipster... but problem has been there forever.
>>
>> When at the keyboard certain moves like going up to and try to pass
>> backward limit of typing or forward I hear a quite load and very
>> annoying buzzer
>>
>> Not sure I'm describing this very well but anyone who hears that darn
>> buzzer or bell will know of what I speak.
>>
>> Getting to the chase.
>>
>> Is there some way to silence that darned thing?
>>
>>
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> Put the following line into your ~/.inputrc:
>
> set bell-style none

thx


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] where is gcc

[Harry Putnam]

Running latest oi-hipster in vbox vm

I want a working gcc, I see only gcc-3-runtime and gcc-7-runtime.
Installed

Pkg contents tells me they don't contain the gcc compiler.

So attempting to install several different ones of the gcc compilers
found in `pkg list -a' output but I'm told none so far are eligible for
image installed when I installed from 2020.05 installl media
yesterday.

I've tried developer/gcc[569].  all of them report 
Some form of this:

Creating Plan (Solver setup): \
pkg install: No matching version of developer/gcc-9 can be installed:
  Reject:  pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-9@9.3.0-2020.0.1.3
  Reason:  No version matching 'require' dependency developer/gnu-binutils can 
be installed

Reject:  pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gnu-binutils@2.34-2020.0.1.1
Reason:  This version is excluded by installed incorporation 
consolidation/userland/userland-incorporation@0.5.11-2020.0.1.12901


OK, so who do I have to payoff to be allowed to install an at least
semi-newish gcc?

Joking aside, let me say that I also run a version of hipster on metal that has
been update periodically all the way from several yrs ago.  It has the
exact same incorporation pkgs installed as the subject vm version at
hand.  And yet somehow I've managed to install developer/gcc-6 and 7

I've forgotten what I did to install them, but pretty sure I'm missing
the boat about how this is done, probably several boats.

So getting to it, I want to be able to compile things as they come up,
currently xbindkeys is what brought it up right now.  So can someone
refresh me a bit on how I go about getting a reasonably modern gcc in play?




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] where is gcc

[Harry Putnam]

Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss
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> In regard to: [OpenIndiana-discuss] where is gcc, Harry Putnam said (at...:
>
>> Running latest oi-hipster in vbox vm
>>
>> I want a working gcc, I see only gcc-3-runtime and gcc-7-runtime.
>
> Do a 'pkg update' first.
>
> Then do
>
>   pkg install build-essential
>
> That gets you far more than just gcc, it gets (most of) what you want for
> a decent build environment.

Errk ... much better now.  thank you.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

I thought I would know the answer to this question eventually from
just using zfs.  I have not gotten any closer, so, seeking advice from
experienced zfs users.

What is the better way to arrange zfs fs:

I have data and ongoing work in three directories.  Directories that
most often appear like so

/usr/local/src
OK, I want to end up with zfs fs on `local', `src' and in my case
`git'

In my case, running ubuntu 20:10 /usr is also zfs and part of rpool.

I don't want these new zfs fs to go on rpool so have create a zpool
name of `p0'

So should I create the zfs fs  by
zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
zfs create ... p0/local/src
zfs create ... p0/local/src/git

(the -p option may be useful above.. I just want it
to be clear what is being done)
 
ending with /usr/local/src/git

OR like this:

zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src  p0/src
zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src/git  p0/git

Again ending with  /usr/local/src/git

Is one way easier to manage or maintain?

any other pointers quite welcome



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes:


[...]

>> So should I create the zfs fs  by
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> zfs create ... p0/local/src
>> zfs create ... p0/local/src/git
>>
>> (the -p option may be useful above.. I just want it
>> to be clear what is being done)
>>
>> ending with /usr/local/src/git
>>
>> OR like this:
>>
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src  p0/src
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src/git  p0/git
>
> Certainly the former.  If you use the second version, all three moint-
> points will be "local".  In the first version, the second (src) and
> third mountpoints will be "inherited".
>
> So if you one day decide that you have seen the light and want to con-
> vert to The One True local Mountpoint as Our Lord Intended It, you can
> just change the first mount point to /opt/local, and the rest will
> automatically inherit the new setting.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Sounds like the inherited mount point rates pretty high in your notion
of what works best.

I suspect you have other reasons as well, and I would like to hear
about them if you don't mind expounding a bit more.

For example:
What baring[sp] would either way have on the ability to `send/receive'?

I'm very inexperienced in send/receive:

In the method you prefer, and the first on shown in OP, can $USER
`send/receive' the whole of `local/src/git' in one move?  Or would it
need to be broken down into three send/receive sessions?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes:

> Harry Putnam writes:
>> >> So should I create the zfs fs  by
>> >> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> >> zfs create ... p0/local/src
>> >> zfs create ... p0/local/src/git
>> >>
>> >> (the -p option may be useful above.. I just want it
>> >> to be clear what is being done)
>> >>
>> >> ending with /usr/local/src/git
>> >>
>> >> OR like this:
>> >>
>> >> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> >> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src  p0/src
>> >> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src/git  p0/git
>> >
>> > Certainly the former.  If you use the second version, all three moint-
>> > points will be "local".  In the first version, the second (src) and
>> > third mountpoints will be "inherited".
>> >
>> > So if you one day decide that you have seen the light and want to con-
>> > vert to The One True local Mountpoint as Our Lord Intended It, you can
>> > just change the first mount point to /opt/local, and the rest will
>> > automatically inherit the new setting.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> Sounds like the inherited mount point rates pretty high in your notion
>> of what works best.
>>
>> I suspect you have other reasons as well, and I would like to hear
>> about them if you don't mind expounding a bit more.
>>
>> For example:
>> What baring[sp] would either way have on the ability to `send/receive'?
>>
>> I'm very inexperienced in send/receive:
>>
>> In the method you prefer, and the first on shown in OP, can $USER
>> `send/receive' the whole of `local/src/git' in one move?  Or would it
>> need to be broken down into three send/receive sessions?
>
> Both will work.  Any dataset snapshot can be sent/received separately,
> if you want.  But you can also use a recursive send where the dataset
> itself and all "child datasets" will be included in the stream.  Check
> out the "-r" and "-R" flags in the zfs(1M) man page.

I could not find an -r (lowercase) for send sub-command (maybe you are
only refering to zfs main cmd).  But experimenting with send -R I seem to have
gotten myself into some trouble.

I attempted to:
   zfs send -R rpool/export/home/MYUSER |ssh oi0 zfs recv p12x

where rpool is from  oi installed on hardware, and oi0 is oi running
on vbox vm on windows.  And p12x is a new pool on the vbox vm created
for this experimentation.

So the result was that rpool/export/home/MYUSER showed up on the VBox
instance of oi as p12x/export/home/MYUSER.   But it attempted to
retain the mountpoint from the sending os of /export/home/reader.
Fortunately the mount was unsucessful since MYUSER was not empty.

So the sent fs is setting there and can cbe displayed with
zfs list -r and shows the mountpoint that was refused as if it worked.

On receiving OS:

,
|  root # zfs list -r p12x
|  NAME   USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
|  p12x  3.86G   203G  3.86G  /export/home/reader
| 
|  (Shows the data occupying 3.86 of space)
`

However the fs p12x/export/home/MYSUSER will not accept substitute
mount point and claims the fs does not exist:

,
|   On the recv OS:
|   I created an empty directory at /2x-rpool and tried:
| (2x is hostname of sending OS) 
|  zfs set mountpoint=/2x-rpool p12x/export/home/reader
|   cannot open 'p12x/export/home/reader': dataset does not exist
`

So I can't remount it. Or see the data in anyway I can think off.

zfs cannot even destroy it:

,
|   On recv OS:
| root # zfs destroy -r p12x/export/home/reader
|   cannot open 'p12x/export/home/reader': dataset does not exist
`

Fortunately `zpool' still knew how:

,
|   On recv OS:
|zpool destroy p12x
|(Finished with no errors)
`

   zfs list -r shows it gone


So is there a way to send rpool to a remote host without all that mess?
   


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S&T-Student)"  writes:

> ____
> From: Harry Putnam 
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 4:29 PM
> To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org 
> Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs
>
> ...
> In my case, running ubuntu 20:10 /usr is also zfs and part of rpool.
> ...
>
> (sorry for any formatting stupidity)
> Wait, are you sharing /usr across ubuntu and openindiana?  I hope not...

Sorry, my bad.  I am running as stated, but I am actually testing a
long running Openindian on hardware and A VBox vm of openindiana on a
windows host.   The last two are where I was and am testing

> Personally, I would use symlinks instead of making your mountpoint
> situation complicated.  If you don't need to separately snapshot or
> send each subfolder, I don't know what advantage there is to making
> more fs'es.

sorry for confusing things with info about ubuntu,

Here is the cited case from my msg you are responding to:

>> So should I create the zfs fs  by
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> zfs create ... p0/local/src
>> zfs create ... p0/local/src/git
 
>> (the -p option may be useful above.. I just want it
>> to be clear what is being done)
  
>> ending with /usr/local/src/git
>> 
>> OR like this:
 
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local p0/local
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src  p0/src
>> zfs create ... -o mountpoint=/usr/local/src/git  p0/git
 
>> Again ending with  /usr/local/src/git

>> Is one way easier to manage or maintain?

You may note that exactly the same number of fs are created either
way. Not sure where symlinks would be especially useful.

But its also likely that I'm off in left field somwhere.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Layout of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes:

> Hi Harry!
>
>
>> > Both will work.  Any dataset snapshot can be sent/received separately,
>> > if you want.  But you can also use a recursive send where the dataset
>> > itself and all "child datasets" will be included in the stream.  Check
>> > out the "-r" and "-R" flags in the zfs(1M) man page.
>>
>> I could not find an -r (lowercase) for send sub-command (maybe you are
>> only refering to zfs main cmd).
>
> No, it was a Solaris-ism that doesn't exist in illumos.  Sorry for not
> having checked it before sending the mail.
>
>> But experimenting with send -R I seem to have
>> gotten myself into some trouble.
>>
>> I attempted to:
>>zfs send -R rpool/export/home/MYUSER |ssh oi0 zfs recv p12x
>
> OK, so you are transferring an entire dataset, not a snapshot.  Not
> sure how this could have worked, as the -R flag only applies to
> snapshots, not datasets.

More sloppy work on my part, I actually did send a snapshot just
shorted the info in my post.

[...] Snipped the result of my misleading information 

But the good thing is that even after being totally mislead by me you
still managed to solve my issue.
>
>   zfs send -R rpool/export/home/MYUSER@now |
>   ssh oi0 zfs recv -e -o mountpoint=/export/home/MYUSER p12x/export/home
>
> You could leave out -R since there is nothing to replicate if you only
> have one dataset with one snapshot.
>
> The "-e" will tell zfs recv to just use the MYUSER part of the sent
> dataset name.  Note that p12x/export/home must already exist.
>
> If you want to be sure everything is copied before mounting it, use
> "zfs recv -u ..." so that datasets aren't automatically mounted on the
> receiving side.
>
>
> Hope this helps -- Volker

Very much so.  And thanks for being persistent even in the face of my
sloppy, mis-managed plea for help.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] what to setup with 4 matched disks

[Harry Putnam]

Probably a poor day to post about this, but Sundays are often the only
days I have with enough time to try some experimentation.
Hopefully some of you will be reading and be able to do some coaching.
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

I've been coasting along for several years only using matched and
mirrored pairs of disks.

Now I would like to do some experimenting with some of the other
possible setups.  I'm thinking maybe raidz2 or raidz3.

I've read a bit about the benefits and its sounding kind of
attractive.

My needs are small compared to others here, and since I'm playing with
vbox vm instance of oi while leaving my hardware oi on old HP xw8600
alone. Not even running this vm on it.

So understand although my skill are miniscule compared to many
here... at least I won't be in danger of loosing anything very
important.

So I'd really like to hear some opinions from old hands on what setup
is better.

I may be able to get enough info googling to make the setup but any
advice on that part would be more than welcome too.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] what to setup with 4 matched disks

[Harry Putnam]

James via openindiana-discuss 
writes:

> On 01/11/2020 18:10, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>> I've been coasting along for several years only using matched and
>> mirrored pairs of disks.
>>
>> Now I would like to do some experimenting with some of the other
>> possible setups.  I'm thinking maybe raidz2 or raidz3.
>
> How much data do you have?  For small amounts stick with mirrors.

Small potatoes.. maybe 4 TB total.  things are complicated a bit by
the fact that my HP xw8600 is not capable of running 3 TB or larger
discs.  And Is somewhat limited in ports, without some creative
cobbling. 


> Do you own the HDDs already?  For 4TB of storage a mirror is about the
> same price as raidz because the price per capacity of HDDs goes up

Well as I mentioned in OP my experimenting is taking place on Vbox VM
where of course disc or limitied only by space on the HOST.

[...]

Something I'm not clear about.
This thread did not cover it..

Is there a big difference between 6 2 disk mirrors in 6 vdevs as
compared to 1 vdev of 3 sets of 2disk mirrors.

I haven't done the second method.  What all does it have going for it
over the multiple vdev case?

>
> "zfs mirror vs raidz":
> https://jrs-s.net/2015/02/06/zfs-you-should-use-mirror-vdevs-not-raidz/
> etc.

Good reading there, thanks.  Although I must admit I probably
understood no more than 60 maybe 65 percent.  I'm sure its more my
shortcoming than the authors. And I'm hope full about  that percentage
rising.
At my age that's always assuming the man with the scythe doesn't burst
upon the scene too quickly ... hehe 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] what to setup with 4 matched disks

[Harry Putnam]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

[...]

> With only a small number of disks (and to aid human comprehension when
> something goes wrong) I suggest using mirrors with a regular pool
> 'scrub' schedule.  With more disks raidz2 starts making sense but
> raidz2 is less flexible.

Thanks to all posters, lots of good input.

Sounds like I need to stay with my tried and true setup.

1 mirrored matched disc boot vdev, 2 mirrored vdevs of 2 disks each so 6 disks
making 3 pools in all.  rpool, p0, p1.

Someone (T Coalson)mentioned 3 way mirror with 2 disks.  I must admit
I do not understand how that is even possible.  I guess my concept of
mirror is stuck at 2 matched disks set as mirror, in a pool.  

T Coalson wrote:

> By "1 vdev of 3 sets of 2disk mirrors", do you mean a vdev
> specification "mirror dev1 dev2 dev3 dev4 dev5 dev6"?  That doesn't
> make 2-way mirrors, it makes a 6-way mirror with usable capacity equal
> to one disk.  In zfs, "mirror" doesn't imply "pair".  I think what you
> were looking for is 3 mirror vdevs with 2 disks in each.

I'm afraid I'm really not understand this.  I had gotten the
impression somewhere that it was possible to have 3 different mirrors
each containing different data inside one vdev. (I've never tried
anything like that)

But, now that you drew that out a bit; what I was saying sounds
completely ridiculous.

I think I am still not understanding the concept of `mirror'.
3 way mirror with 2 disks does not fit my incorrect understanding at
all. 

What I've ever actually done is install 3 pairs of matched disks and
created 3 pools from them.  (I meant `matched' in the sense of 2 disks
match each other (same brand, same size) in each pool, not that all
disks match each other).

And I'm currently experimenting (on VBox vm) with 1 matched pair of
boot disks in a 2 disk mirror, and 7 bigger matched disks in raidz2.  My first
try at anything but 2 disk mirrors.



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to determine what to do with a copied member of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

[Sorry to ramble a bit, trying to get across what I've run into. Not
sure what is important to include to allow anyone to help]

While attempting to clean up some kind of error involving one zfs fs

p0/vb2/vm2/d0

Do is a running Vbox vm that I don't want to harm.

I copied all of vm2 to vm2X including the D0 vm.

Now I've got the p0 tree in shape I wanted to delete  the copy
of my vm in vm2X/d0

I ran `sudo rm -rf vm2X' .. some files and directories in there (not inside d0)
were deleted as expected but when the process got to ./vm2X/d0 I get
the message:

,
| sudo rm -rf vm2X
| rm: cannot remove 'vm2X/d0': Device busy
`

Makes me think there may be some kind of link between ./vm2/d0 and the
copied dir ./vm2X/d0 and now I'm a bit afraid to try to delete it

zfs list -r p0 shows more than needs listing here .. but, p0/vb2/vm2/p0
shows up as a zfs fs as expected and nothing about vm2X/d0  also as
expected.

So what is going on with that copied VM, is it safe to continue to try
deleting it?

More importantly is there a way to determine what is going on with
./vm2x/d0 .. that makes it so it cannot be deleted??


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to determine what to do with a copied member of zfs fs

[Harry Putnam]

James via openindiana-discuss 
writes:

> On 14/11/2020 16:03, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>> While attempting to clean up some kind of error involving one zfs fs
>>
>> p0/vb2/vm2/d0
> ...
>> More importantly is there a way to determine what is going on with
>> ./vm2x/d0 .. that makes it so it cannot be deleted??
>
> If p0/vb2/vm2/d0 is a ZFS then you have to destroy the ZFS.
>
>
> # zfs create spool/junk
> # zfs list spool/junk
> NAME USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
> spool/junk96K  2.83T96K  /spool/junk
> # ls -l /spool/junk
> total 0
> # rm -r /spool/junk
> rm: Unable to remove directory /spool/junk: Device busy
> # zfs destroy spool/junk
> # ls -l /spool/junk
> /spool/junk: No such file or directory

First off [Put this first in case some readers would rather not read
any further]:
,
|   It all seems to be moot now; following a reboot, it appears to
|   have solved itself as the non-delete-able directory is now gone.
`

But to your point:

Well yeah, but if as stated in OP, I did't want to harm the VM at
p0/vb2/vm2/d0 <= this is a VM

What you showed is out.

But as stated in OP, I copied the vm {d0} to /vb2/vm2/vm2X/d0; I didn't
use the `cp' command, I used rsync

rsyncing /vb2/vm2/d0 to /vb2/vm2/vm2X/d0

what I am trying to delete is not a zfs file system.

Just  copied directories [...]vm2X/d0 inside a `zfs created'
file system (p0/vm2/vb2/d0).

When I tried to delete vm2X is where the failure is
[or more properly was].

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] What to do about not having a compiler suitable to install VBox

[Harry Putnam]

Attempting to install an VBox pkg from the Oracle site I run into this
output:

pkgadd -d ./*.pkg 

[...]

Oracle VM VirtualBox(i386) 6.1.14,REV=2020.09.04.10.03.140239
Oracle Corporation
## Executing checkinstall script.
Checking package dependencies...
## Missing packages: 
## IPS :  system/library/gcc/gcc-c++-runtime or system/library/gcc-45-runtime 
system/library/gcc/gcc-c-runtime or system/library/gcc-45-runtime
## SVr4:  SUNWPython SUNWPython-devel
## 
## Please install either the IPS or SVr4 packages before installing VirtualBox.
pkgadd: ERROR: checkinstall script did not complete successfully

[...]

I do have developer gcc-7 and gcc-7-runtime, but apparently that is
too new .. hehe.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What to do about not having a compiler suitable to install VBox

[Harry Putnam]

Till Wegmueller  writes:

> Hi Harry
>
> Virtualbox from Oracle site is not compatible anymore with illumos and
> is not supported.
>
> Please use the packaged version install-able via pkg.

Espen Martinsen  writes:

> Use Vbox from hipster repos
>
> #pkg install virtualbox

It appears to only support 32 bit.  Is that correct?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What to do about not having a compiler suitable to install VBox

[Harry Putnam]

Espen Martinsen  writes:

> Hi,
>   Im running on a Lenovo T530, and everything works just fine.

> $ uname -v
> illumos-94cc9d8feb
>
>
> Are you sure you are on a x64 platform?
> $ psrinfo -vp
> The physical processor has 4 cores and 8 virtual processors (0-7)
>   The core has 2 virtual processors (0-1)
>   The core has 2 virtual processors (2-3)
>   The core has 2 virtual processors (4-5)
>   The core has 2 virtual processors (6-7)
>     x86 (GenuineIntel 306A9 family 6 model 58 step 9 clock 2400 MHz)
>   Intel(r) Core(tm) i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.40GHz
>
>
> $ isainfo -v
> 64-bit amd64 applications
>     fsgsbase rdrand f16c vmx avx xsave pclmulqdq aes sse4.2 sse4.1
>     ssse3 popcnt tscp cx16 sse3 sse2 sse fxsr mmx cmov amd_sysc
> cx8 tsc
>     fpu
> 32-bit i386 applications
>     rdrand f16c vmx avx xsave pclmulqdq aes sse4.2 sse4.1 ssse3 popcnt
>     tscp ahf cx16 sse3 sse2 sse fxsr mmx cmov sep cx8 tsc fpu
>
> $ pkg list system/virtualbox
> NAME (PUBLISHER) VERSION    IFO
> system/virtualbox 6.1.16-2020.0.1.0  i--

reader > psrinfo -vp
The physical processor has 2 virtual processors (0-1)
  x86 (GenuineIntel 206C2 family 6 model 44 step 2 clock 3067 MHz)
Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU   X5675  @ 3.07GHz

reader > isainfo -v
64-bit amd64 applications
pclmulqdq aes sse4.2 sse4.1 ssse3 popcnt tscp cx16 sse3 sse2 sse 
fxsr mmx cmov amd_sysc cx8 tsc fpu 
32-bit i386 applications
pclmulqdq aes sse4.2 sse4.1 ssse3 popcnt tscp ahf cx16 sse3 sse2 
sse fxsr mmx cmov sep cx8 tsc fpu 

reader > pkg list system/virtualbox
NAME (PUBLISHER)  VERSIONIFO
system/virtualbox     6.1.16-2020.0.1.1  
i--  


[...]

Espen Martinsen  writes:

> On 11/19/20 3:32 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Installed it on a oi VM running our latest ISO offering.
>
> Ooops, I'm not sure if it's intendion is to run a hypervisor within
> another hypervisor, is that what you are trying to do?

I wondered if that might be an issue.

Apparently it is.

I really didn't want to try it on my actual hardware, a little worried
about making a mess of my existing VMs on it.

I guess I will have to brave up and try it or go to an older version
of Oracles releases.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to downgrade virtualbox from latest version

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: running latest updates of OI/hipster on;
HDW: HP wx8600 2x XEON 5600

psrinfo -vp

The physical processor has 4 virtual processors (0 2 4 6)
  x86 (GenuineIntel 1067A family 6 model 23 step 10 clock  MHz)
Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU   X5470  @ 3.33GHz

uname -a
  SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-f0b6369dcf i86pc i386 i86pc
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

I'm having problems with virtualbox running on above hardware since a
recent upgrade that put me at version:

  system/virtualbox 6.1.16-2020.0.1.1

During bootup I see about only 2/3 of character space of the
lines. The bottom 1/3 is gone.

Keyboard does'nt function at all after logging in.

During login when pressing keys it only leaves a tiny mark that looks
something like an inverted dash followed closely by an
apostrophe. Only at about 1/5 size, and high on what would be the text
line.

No normal letters appear as I press keys to login, only the tiny thing
described above. But if I type the uid and password with the right
keys, even though they do not appear in the txt boxes, I can still
login.

Once logged in keyboard does not make any kind of marks in xterm or
any other tools that require text input.

But again I can run commands if I'm careful about getting the keys
right.  Once I press `enter' the command runs and the keys typed then
appear on the xterm.

This all started following an update of openindiana-2020:11:02.  A few
days later really since I didn't reboot right away.

Updated again openindiana-2020:11:17 but the problems persist.

Do we maintain any of the older versions of virtualbox somewhere that
I can install with pkg command?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to downgrade virtualbox from latest version

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: running latest updates of OI/hipster on;
HDW: HP wx8600 2x XEON 5600

psrinfo -vp

The physical processor has 4 virtual processors (0 2 4 6)
  x86 (GenuineIntel 1067A family 6 model 23 step 10 clock  MHz)
Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU   X5470  @ 3.33GHz

uname -a
  SunOS 2x 5.11 illumos-f0b6369dcf i86pc i386 i86pc
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

I'm having problems with virtualbox running on above hardware since a
recent upgrade that put me at version:

  system/virtualbox 6.1.16-2020.0.1.1

During bootup I see about only 2/3 of character space of the
lines. The bottom 1/3 is gone.

Keyboard does'nt function at all after logging in.

During login when pressing keys it only leaves a tiny mark that looks
something like an inverted dash followed closely by an
apostrophe. Only at about 1/5 size, and high on what would be the text
line.

No normal letters appear as I press keys to login, only the tiny thing
described above. But if I type the uid and password with the right
keys, even though they do not appear in the txt boxes, I can still
login.

Once logged in keyboard does not make any kind of marks in xterm or
any other tools that require text input.

But again I can run commands if I'm careful about getting the keys
right.  Once I press `enter' the command runs and the keys typed then
appear on the xterm.

This all started following an update of openindiana-2020:11:02.  A few
days later really since I didn't reboot right away.

Updated again openindiana-2020:11:17 but the problems persist.

Do we maintain any of the older versions of virtualbox somewhere that
I can install with pkg command?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to downgrade virtualbox from latest version

[Harry Putnam]

Till Wegmueller  writes:

> Hey Harry
>
> That sounds like a version mismatch between guest tools and Host
> Virtualbox. Can you make sure the guest has only the pkg provided
> virtualbox extensions installed? And not the ones via ISO.

First let me fill in another bit of info I forgot to include.  It
wasn't just an update right before this started; the host had a crash
that of course crashed the vms too. not once but twice separated 3-4
days. All fairly close to the time I began to notice there something
wrong with vm setup. 

However crashes like have happened several other times with no notable bad
results.  Even at least twice I had lightening induced crashes. (Not recently)

But of course that is not something to rely on.

Also let me clear up something else I confused myself with,and probably any
readers here too.

I used Oracle Vbox from there site for years on OI.  But I finally
remembered I had switched over to using the one on our repo a couple
of months ago, my ancient old man memory let it slip and I went back
to thinking my current VBox installation was from Oracle but it is
not.  Sorry for weak mindedness.

So far as your question about guest additions, it is possible I did do
what you say.  Not on this most recent version though.

Also, when this phenomena started about a week ago, I had not done
anything with my VM or with virtualbox settings.

That is what led me to think it was the result of updating the OS.
But have since scratched that theory.

I'm starting to think something got hosed during the two crashes and
just didn't notice it for a day or two.  I don't monkey around with
the vm setup every day... sometimes weeks and months go by with only
using the Debian VBox vm install where I've run my mail stuff for
several yrs.

Once I really started paying attention, I see the phenomena described
in OP.

Can you think of any tests or other things I could do to start to
unravel the problem?



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to downgrade virtualbox from latest version

[Harry Putnam]

Carl Brewer  writes:

> It's not, the problems are with the VirtualBox GUI, what happens
> inside the (I hate trying to work out how to describe GUI parts!) OS
> screen, is a symptom.
>
> I run a bunch of virtual servers in VirtualBox, the current GUI is
> misbehaving as Harry describes, but it's workable, and I'm not
> affected by the garbled text in the client screen, because I just SSH
> into them anyway.  None of my guests have the guest tools installed at
> all, because I'm not using the GUI I never bothered. I don't think it
> works on NetBSD 5 guests anyway :)

[...]

I'm glad to see your post on this.  confirms by original ideas only
much better forumlated and presented..  My post might not have made it
to the list since I had images attached ...

Does anyone know how long version:
  system/virtualbox 6.1.16-2020.0.1.0

Has been the virtualbox version on offer in our repos?

I ask because seeing the worst of the GUI problems only for a few
weeks, I thought maybe a recent version change had happened.

I ssh into my main VM quite a lot too so it may have been a while
since I've been on the gui, until now, but, I have been on other vms
along the way and had no serious trouble with them.

It's gotten so bad that today I could not even get latest oi/hipster
ISO installed into a vbox vm. Can't even get the initial boot of the
ISO to run far enough to install OI.

And it should be noted that I have used previous ISOs and installed
with no trouble.
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

On an attempted boot from our latest oi ISO 202005 to test installing
a new OI vm
  
  [After getting thru the oi/hipster boot menu we start getting text
  lines on the boot up screen]:
  
  [...]
  
  Loading unix
  Loading /platform/i86pc/amd64/boot_archive . . .
  Loading /platform/i86pc/amd64/boot_archive.hash . . .
  Booting . . .
  WARNING: cpu0: failed to update microcode from version 0x60b to 0xa0b
  
  WARNING: cpu0: CPUID.0x0 returns invalid value:hw_low = 0. hw_high=0. 
xsave_si = 0, ymm_size
  = 0, ymm_offset = 0
  
  WARNING cpu1 failed to update microcode from version 0x60b to 0xa0b
  
  Notice: hma_vmx_init: CPU does not support VMX
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

And there it freezes ... forever apparently: I waited about 10 minutes

You might think that line means this host (an HP xw8600) cannot run
Virtual Machines.  That would be wrong... over time it has run dozens
of VBox vms sometimes 5-6 at once.



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] set which fs do/don't get snaps besides timeslider

[Harry Putnam]

Can anyone tell me how I can avoid snapshotting on some fs.

I find using the timeslider to be sort of a non-starter.  It has a
scroll bar unlike any found in the rest of the world.

Normally a scroll bar will consist of a small short bar (handle)
setting in a longer track.  Pulling the `handle' up/down or left/right
will scroll thru a list the long track represents, but at as fast a
speed as you would like.

But, on the 'Timeslider' the handle is either the same or nearly the
same length as the track so there is no pulling to it.  Instead you
can cover the list by `clicking' or `click holding' the tiny arrows at
either end of the track.  For me, that is an extremely slow process
and if you inadvertently touch the handle... ooops ... you are reset
to where you started so any traveling you've eked out is zeroed out.

This process is so slow and painfull I'd rather remove my own kidney
with a claw hammer.

There must be some other way to do this.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] set which fs do/don't get snaps besides timeslider

[Harry Putnam]

Stephan Althaus  writes:

> Hello!
>
> Yes, the gui is not very usable.
>
> You may starting having a look at the GTK definition of the window
>
> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/time-slider/blob/master/usr/share/time-slider/ui/time-slider-setup.ui
>
> some with GTK background might find something obvious (?)

I used the fix you posted to update qt5 as you mentioned and it worked
for me to.  Gui quite improved.

To answer one question you mentioned. Yes time slider is available on
the desktop.  The Timeslider is on the desktop upper right and works
by press right mouse while its on Timeslider

It then appears and has you sign in for root then shows the full gui.

What I notice is the graphical slider is so maladjusted as to be on
the point of useless.

The handle of slider on right side of Timeslider gui is the same size
as the track it is to slide on so nearly useless for navigating the
list of zfs fs. To get thru the full set of FS you have to use the top
tiny arrow and it is so slow as to make you insane pretty quickly.

Please tell me there is some other way to make zfs fs either
non-snapshot-able or add it to auto snapshot in timeslider. And do
this from the command line.  That issue is supposed to be the topic
this thread is addressing.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to arrange for auto snapshots only once per month

[Harry Putnam]

I want to have snaopshots only once a month on certain filesystems.
I'm not finding enough information on time-slider to tell if it can be
done there, but the Solaris time-slider docs indicate it could be
done.

The location it tells you to make such a setting does not exist on
hipster.

The output of `pkg contents time-slider' does not show any kind of man
pages or other documentation.

Can someone steer me to to some indepth documentation or perhaps tell
me how it might be done.  Either using some aspect of time-slider or
by command line settings to the zfs-filesystem options.



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] basic send/recv coaching please

[Harry Putnam]

Sorry this is so basic.  I've done a bit send/recv but never like
below:

I want the root filesystem saved on remote host (which I have yet
to do) I'm trying it like this

[NOTE: both hosts running latest oi/hipster updated 11/29

sending hostname 2x:
,
| NAMEUSED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
| rpool/ROOT 82.0G   530G23K  legacy
| rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:17  22.4M   530G  23.6G  /
| rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:19  34.3M   530G  24.0G  /
| rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:26  22.8M   530G  24.1G  /
| rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:29  81.9G   530G  24.0G  /
`

Recv hostname oi0:

created empty zfs fs
,
| p1/red42x  <= empty
 `

then from sending host:

Sending host
,
|   zfs send -v rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:29@201129-130122 |ssh oi0 zfs 
recv -v p1/red42x
`

Its running right now, but I can see on `recv' host:
,
| p1/red42x/openindiana-2020:11:29   
`

However on `recv' host `ls -al /red42x' shows nothing.

Maybe the recv host hides the incoming data until finished?

One question I have .. first is the command about right?

But then once some time passes and I make a full update on the `sending'
host.  I guess I would have to do it all over again since the BE name
will have changed.

My last question introduces a new element that I have not yet tried.

I want to find out what `incremental' (send -i) really means:

So I might use the same snapshot I used to make the initial transfer
as snap1 and a newer one snap2 and send like so:

Assume the `send' host has sent pl/mydata to the recv host

Assume recv host has received the sent data  and has it like this

 p1/data  at /data

would my incremental send look like:

zfs send -i  pl/data@snap1 pl/data@newersnap2|ssh rhost zfs recv -v p1/data

So the differences between snap1 and snap2 will be sent right into
`recv' host `/data' and will bring `/data/' up to date of newest snap?

Something like if one were to rsync data to remote host and later
rsync the same with newer changes to refresh the sent data.

I know I've left out some details such as mountpoints and such but is
this generally the way it is supposed to work?




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[OpenIndiana-discuss] rpool/ROOT where mounted?

[Harry Putnam]

If you want to create a copy of your entire OS on a remote machine by
means of send/recv do you need to send rpool/ROOT?

on my system the mountpoint says only `legacy'

  rpool/ROOT 82.0G   530G23K  legacy

And the Solaris Docs say that legacy means it has an entry in vfstab.
But in mine I see no reference to it.

/etc/vfstab
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
  /devices - /devices devfs -  no -
  /proc- /procproc  -  no -
  ctfs - /system/contract ctfs   -  no -
  objfs- /system/object objfs -  no -
  sharefs - /etc/dfs/sharetab sharefs  -  no -
  fd- /dev/fd fd -  no -
  swap - /tmp tmpfs -  yes   -

  /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap   - - swap  -  no -
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

Is it somewhere in there.  Or maybe somewhere else altogether?

So what is the proper way to `send/recv' the entire files system:

   rpool/ROOT/$BENAME
?

Another thing bugging me do you have to send/recv something like

   rpool/export/home/$USERNAME

Like I have been doing:

  send/recv rpool/export@$snap|ssh $rhost zfs recv -v . . .
  send/recv rpool/export/home@snap|ssh $rhost zfs recv -v . . .
  send/recv rpool/export/home/$USERNAME@$snap|ssh $rhost zfs recv -v . . . 

In other words in 3 steps or can it be done in one step?
And if so what is the proper syntax?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] set which fs do/don't get snaps besides timeslider

[Harry Putnam]

"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S&T-Student)"  writes:

> You can tell time-slider to ignore a filesystem by:
>
> zfs set com.sun:auto-snapshot=false 
>
> There are global settings for a custom time-slider schedule (number of
> each type of snapshot to keep, service auto-snapshot:,

> property "zfs/keep"), but I don't know of a per-fs one (though I
> haven't kept up to date).
Well of course there is setting the com.sun:auto-snapshot=[true/false]
If not present, add it.  You probably know about it too but just
starting to use it, I can see where it would be pretty tedious to keep
of with doing some regimen of snaps by cron.

> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .I actually wrote my own cron job that
> allows per-fs schedules and uses a bit different logic (but doesn't do
> recursive snapshots or track usage % of the pool), but the schedule
> specification is a bit arcane and not user-friendly.  The main reason
> I wrote it was so that I could have auto snapshots enabled during
> scheduled backups without complaints...

One method I used with software called `rsnapshot' on linux was cron
based and a fairly flexible script... relying on hard links to keep
down the backup size, probably something that could be adapted to zfs
snapshots.

It has a rolling deletion process based on a specific number of
hourly, daily, weekly, monthly that are kept till there turn comes to
be promoted of the end of the pier.

I figured I could slip in a few snaps if I wanted some to stay out of
the rotation just by naming someway the script does not expect or
rotate.

But this is all much more messing around than the trusty timeslider if
your setup is amenable to something that rigid.

Please tell me what you think of this:  I have certain zfs fs that will
be continually either refreshed to match the remote host they come
from with `zfs send -i (incremental)' or the trusty rsync set to
delete anything that isn't on the mother host.

I say either of those because I do not yet understand how incremental
snaps are supposed to work.  If that process is capable of refreshing
an existing fs to match the mother then I don't quite get why you need
to dink around with two snaps and not just be able to use the most
recent and merge that into the remote fs deleting what is not in the
snap and adding what is in the snap and not the fs or newer in the
snap than what is already there.  ala .. rsync.

But getting back to what I want your opinion on:

I'm sending data that copies the mothership to a remote host for
redundancy so it seems that since that data will be getting regularly
refreshed from the mother, then the need of snapshots is greatly
diminished if not obviated.

I'm asking if not snapsh'ing certain kinds of collections (matching
what I laid out above) would be a dumb way to proceed. Like is there
some other intrinsic safety factor that taking snaps would cover.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rpool/ROOT where mounted?

[Harry Putnam]

v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes:

> Hi Harry!
>
>
>> If you want to create a copy of your entire OS on a remote machine by
>> means of send/recv do you need to send rpool/ROOT?
>
> Typically, you will need to send the entire rpool.  That's what the
> "zfs send -R" command is for.  It replicates everything, including all
> properties you need to make the target system bootable.
>
> If you don't need a bootable copy, there's really no point in copying
> the entire OS over.  If you *really* still want to do that, the easiest
> way to find the dataset of the currently active BE is to do
>
>   "cd / ; df -h ."
>

Thanks for the tip, although that wasn't really what I was after.
But first let me answer your question "what exactly" I'm trying to
do.

I'm planning A major overhaul of my OI host (an old HP xw8600) One of
my mirrored 2 disk rpool ... went south a while back.  I've been
stumbling along with 1 disk rpool. Now I'm starting to replace both
disks with new ones, expecting to reinstall newest OI, reimport my other pools
and start upgrading on them.  I'm a bit nervous about the whole thing
so started unloading data that I want to keep onto a vbox vm running
OI/hipster on a somewhat spacious windows 10 host.

Hence I'm frolicking around with send/recv.  Trying to learn my way
around as I go. Not trying to create a new bootable host.

There are a couple of somewhat major problem (to me) to deal with too.

1) the hp xw8600 is some what short on sata ports with only 4.
2) The old hardware supposedly wont allow disks over 2 tb

I'm thinking of using sas disks since I'm replacing the data disks
too.

The xw8600 does have (as I recall there are 4 sas ports too) those sas ports
can receive sata connectors and drives.  I'm already using 2 of them.
But then the problem becomes ... where to put the drives.  I have 6 in
there now and would like to have 8. All sas perhaps

I think I can resolve the problems but may need some advice on
hardware. (I'll be posting about some ideas and hardware this week)
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

Back to my `skill challenged' fumbling with send/recv

I don't know how to send a chain of zfs fs all at once like
   rpool/ROOT/BENAME

And I don't understand what `-R' does in conjunction with send.
The section of man zfs:

 zfs send [-DLPRbcehnpvw] [[-I|-i] snapshot] snapshot
 [...]

   -R, --replicate
   Generate a replication stream package, which will replicate the
   specified file system, and all descendent file systems, up to the
   named snapshot.  When received, all properties, snapshots,
   descendent file systems, and clones are preserved.

   If the -i or -I flags are used in conjunction with the -R flag, an
   incremental replication stream is generated.  The current values of
   properties, and current snapshot and file system names are set when
   the stream is received.  If the -F flag is specified when this
   stream is received, snapshots and file systems that do not exist on
   the sending side are destroyed.  If the -R flag is used to send
   encrypted datasets, then -w must also be specified.

... reads a bit dense  But I'm a bit `dense' too in another meaning of `dense'.

I'm not sure what a 'replication stream' is either.

So expected to send it one dir at a time. Of course I need to find
or create a snapshot to use with send/recv.

I ran into the fact that ROOT seems not to have a mount point other
than `legacy' which should mean it can be found in /etc/vfstab. But it
does not appear there.  Not sure where to find or make a snapshot.

I suspect there is some handy way to send `rpool/ROOT/BENAME' all at
once ... but have not found it yet in OI or oracle docs. So plannig to
tinker with the -R flag .. some time tomorrow.

I did manage to get the BENAME sent, so all the bits in there at least
are safely copied onto the VBox vm.
Like so:

zfs send -v rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2020:11:29@201130-223635 | \
   ssh oi0 zfs recv -v
  -omountpoint=/red42x/rpool/openindiana-2020:11:29 \
p1/red42x/rpool/openindiana-2020:11:29

(It was all on one line)



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Determine path to usb stick frm `rmformt -l' output

[Harry Putnam]

I have the output of rmformat -l to guide me but I'm not sure what is
the correct path.  There are two shown.  In order to write to USB I
need to be exact with path.

Tail of rmformat -l output:

[...]  
 3. Logical Node: /dev/rdsk/c8t0d0p0
Physical Node: /pci@0,0/pci103c,1306@1d,7/storage@7/disk@0,0
Connected Device: TOSHIBA  TransMemory  1.00
Device Type: Removable
Bus: USB
Size: 14.8 GB
Label: 
Access permissions: Medium is not write protected.

I suspect it is the rdsk address shown: /dev/rdsk/c8t0d0p0

Can anyone confirm that I can use  usbcopy in this way:

   usbcopy OI-2020.10.iso /dev/rdsk/c8t0d0p0

It feels odd writing to an rdsk address but the other one shown feels
odder still:
   /pci@0,0/pci103c,1306@1d,7/storage@7/disk@0,0

It finally dawned on my pea brain I could probably have a look with
`ls -l' and get some ideas.

Turns out they are really the same address (nearly)

The rdsk address /dev/rdsk/c8t0d0p0 is a symlink pointing to:

/dev/rdsk/c8t0d0p0 
->../../devices/pci@0,0/pci103c,1306@1d,7/storage@7/disk@0,0:q,raw

with `:q,raw' qualifier added at the end

I still would like some verification please.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Determine path to usb stick frm `rmformt -l' output

[Harry Putnam]

Gary Mills  writes:


[...]

>
> The usbcopy command may not work anymore.  Here's what I usually do,
> starting with the usb image:

[...] Snipped a very excellent detailed walk thru. I will try that but
once John G made me see I'd missed some very important para in
handbook, since I have a win10 host running, I tried first
win32diskimager.  At first I could not get it to work without an error
5 that stops the action.  googling around I found an oldish messge
where the author said he'd found that  turning off specific aspects of
all the junk acronis installs, including a number of services 

a bit from that article:
,
| "- I use Acronis True Image 2018
| and this includes the "Acronis Active Protection Service" capability to
| prevent ransomware attacking any previously created disk backup image
| files - on any/every connected drive!
|
| - So simply use Task Manager to select this process and then 'End
|   Process' and the Error 5 problem goes away"
`

I found several services started by acronis  and stopped them all.
Then the imager worked right away.

Its a raspberry forum:
 https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=65034

Other posters there chided that fellow for responding to a 3 year old
message ... but it worked for me.  Other posters mentioned a newer
tool that works better I guess.  Something called the belinaEtcher.
You'll find it on a google for that name if interested.

On that raspberry group forum they seemed to think it was quite good.
We might aught to mention in handbook if a few of us try it and it is
good.  


John D Groenveld  writes:

Gary wrote:
> In message <20201218160916.ga17...@imap.fastmail.com>, Gary Mills writes:
>>The usbcopy command may not work anymore.  Here's what I usually do,
>
John G replied:
> The handbook is clear that usbcopy is legacy:
> http://docs.openindiana.org/handbook/getting-started/#creating-a-hipster-usb-drive>

> John
> groenv...@acm.org

Thanks John for making me read the rest of that section... I must of
thought I was done before I got to it.  Or it just slipped out of my
pea brain.

I've got the usb image burnt with the win32imager but haven't been
able to try it yet as I'm still moving data off that host with
`send/recv' in case I really dork it up.  I'm installing two new 320 GB
sata drives to replace the disks I have mirroring the OS.  Once
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] catching hell getting booted

[Harry Putnam]

I've been running an hp xw8600 for several years and for about 5-6 of
those yrs running openindiana OS.

A month ago or so I shutdown OI to change out a couple of disks.

Once I did that I have not been able to use any of the oi installation
media I've made up.  Both usb stick and DVD fails to boot,  No matter
how I set the boot order. And even though those  same stick media will
boot my HP Z800 to live media for OI install.

I've tried all I can think, changing usb ports,  Trying ISO from CD.
The xw8600 has two of those,  I set the boot order to CDrom first but it
goes right buy with out a response and tries to boot from disk.

Finally I got really sick of not having my zfs machine and booted that
dog with usb with ubuntu media which went off without a problem.

Very discouraging.  Now running ubuntu with zfs on root.
Several times since I've tried newly made up usb sticks.  And again
any one of the three I've made will boot my HP Z800 with no problem.

So the sob story kind of ends there...

I'm out of ideas and running ubuntu with zfs on that host.  I still
want OI on it.

So, I'm hoping someone here will have sage advice about booting from
network somehow.

Is there a way to circumvent both usb and DVD boots and do something
over the network to get oi installed?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone here tried sanoid snapshotting and backup software?

[Harry Putnam]

I wondered if anyone has tried or uses `sanoid' for snap-shotting, or is
it just a waste of time when we have the time slider?



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] catching hell getting booted

[Harry Putnam]

Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

[...]

>> So, I'm hoping someone here will have sage advice about booting from
>> network somehow.
>> 
>> Is there a way to circumvent both usb and DVD boots and do something
>> over the network to get oi installed?
>> 
>
> What exactly is happening? do you have any logs, screenshots etc?

Well no, what's happening happens before any of that can take place.

The DVD or USB install  media is ignored.  And eventually the ubuntu
with zfs on root comes up as it is installed on HDD,

No logs, and screen shot would show a blank screen

The install media being ignored is done silently.

The hellish part is that I have tested the same media (both usb and
dvd) (I mean the very exact same media, not similar or whatever) on
another host (hp Z800)and they work as expected.  That is, the host
comes up displaying the install media ready to go.

Of course I have checked and rechecked that the boot setting matches
the selected media.  IE, usb at the top or Cdrom at the top.

I've tried with the usb media in every available port with no change.

Checked the boot order again and again

Another kicker is that sometime a few yrs ago I installed oi with one
or the other of usb or dvd.  Which one is lost to the mists of poor
memory.

Further, recently I gave up in disgust on oi and used an usb stick with
ubuntu install media, and it worked on the first try.

Now, can you speak to any possibilities of a network install?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] catching hell getting booted

[Harry Putnam]

Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
 writes:

>> On 3. Feb 2021, at 23:11, Harry Putnam  wrote:
>> 
>> Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
>>  writes:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>>> So, I'm hoping someone here will have sage advice about booting from
>>>> network somehow.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to circumvent both usb and DVD boots and do something
>>>> over the network to get oi installed?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> What exactly is happening? do you have any logs, screenshots etc?
>> 
>> Well no, what's happening happens before any of that can take place.
>> 
>> The DVD or USB install  media is ignored.  And eventually the ubuntu
>> with zfs on root comes up as it is installed on HDD,
>
>
> UEFI or BIOS boot? for UEFI, we do not support secure boot. Not yet
> anyhow. If you can get to UEFI shell, you can start loader manually
> from command line.

No UEFI

> for usb, are you using .iso or .usb image? How do you write to stick?
> note, just dd is enough, no previously used header file and usbcopy
> script is needed.

I tried both iso and usb. Tried *.iso writing to stick on windows with
Rufus. I've forgotten how USB was done. ... its been a while ago.
There was another tool whos name I've forgotten that was recommended by
someone on this list .. that was supposed to superceed usbcopy
The one thing I did not do is dd as you suggest.

It just came to me to today to try again {hence my post} ... as I'm
getting a bit fed up with the linux zfs. So, I have forgotten some of
the bits involved. All I did this time was try a usb stick that I know
for certain will boot my HP Z800 into OI live installer.  But it was
totally ignored... that is what prompted my recent post.

You mentioned `dd' And somewhere I remember it being to a Raw port
.. I think you might mean performed on OI.

I don't have an OI host running currently but is it not possible to do
the dd bit from linux or even windows?

Would the `dd' method clear out any guff on a new unused usb stick and
thereby do a clean burn?

It would tickle the heck out of me to finally get a working usb stick.

I was considering attempting to install omnios.
The reason I think it might work, is that even though I could not get
the right combination to successfully boot into our IO install media,
I found that on the very first attempt with ubuntu.iso burned to USB
with rufus, I succeeded in installing ubuntu with zfs on root.

I'm half of a mind to risk another ruined usb stick since I bought a
even dozen for the last go around... (I ruined 5 before calling it
quits last time)

Any more instructions I need to know before attempting to burn one
with dd on linux OS?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] catching hell getting booted

[Harry Putnam]

Carl Brewer  writes:

> None that I can do to help, but can you continue to document what you do?

I will try but make no bones about only being about half literate.
English is not my first language... I learned to speak in Wyoming
hill-billy for the first 10 or so years.  hehe.

> I experienced something very similar, and ended up backing out to an
> older OI build and doing pkg updates, instead of trying to install
> more recent ISO's, they just would not install for me either.

Interesting, and I thought I was the lone ranger and blamed myself for
not getting it right.

However, I haven't noticed much on the newsgroup about the
problem... But I haven't been watching/reading full time either.

I had not thought of your workaround...It should have passed through
my pea brain at some point.  Do you happen to remember which old
release you got to work?  That might be worth documenting as well.




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] catching hell getting booted

[Harry Putnam]

Gary Mills  writes:

> On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 01:06:12PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> I've been running an hp xw8600 for several years and for about 5-6 of
>> those yrs running openindiana OS.
>> 
>> A month ago or so I shutdown OI to change out a couple of disks.
>> 
>> Once I did that I have not been able to use any of the oi installation
>> media I've made up.  Both usb stick and DVD fails to boot,  No matter
>> how I set the boot order. And even though those  same stick media will
>> boot my HP Z800 to live media for OI install.
>> 
>> I've tried all I can think, changing usb ports,  Trying ISO from CD.
>> The xw8600 has two of those,  I set the boot order to CDrom first but it
>> goes right buy with out a response and tries to boot from disk.
>
> It sounds as if you are not really setting the boot order in the BIOS.
> Could it really that simple?  HP does do some funny things with their
> BIOS.  Are you saving your changes after you make them?  Does the BIOS
> show the new boot order after the boot fails?

Here is how real the boot order is: First I can look at the setting in
bios. Save and Close bios... then reopen and see my setting is still
there.  Further there is a switch early in boot where you can click F9
and wind up at a boot prompt where again I can see the order is correct.

Currently I'm tying to install from and older version 2018.10.  Burnded to DVD
today.  When the boot prompt opens I see CDrom at the top , usb next
then hhd.  I press cdrom... it pauses a few moments then reverts to
the install on hard disk of ubuntu (zfs on root).

It tell me there is no image on the cdrom.  I put it on a different
HP, this one HP Z800... and I'll give a guess what happens... it boots
into the OI on the cdrom.

I can assure you I have set the boot order depending on what media I'm
attempting. 

> Some systems will not boot from USB, but in that case they will still
> boot from a CD reader.  I don't think that's your problem.

So far that has not happened here.  Except some years ago on this same
host when I made my initial install, clear back to build 147.

And a couple of months ago, I burned a USB stick with ubuntu on it.
After getting sick of dicking around trying to install OI

Booting from that stick right into ubuntu installation immediately.

I want to say it points to our software being a problem where others
work. But, I'm so unskilled as to be nearly certain that the fault is
right in myu pea brain somewhere.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Screen locking with XScreenSaver disabled

[Harry Putnam]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, at 12:35, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> On 1/14/24 15:17, hput wrote:
>> Till Wegmueller  writes:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Check all other system settings if you have another Screensaver. Mate
>>> has it's own AFAIK.
>> 
>> The thing is, as you see in the small image of what I see on screen:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is the very Xscreensaver installed in my OS:
>>   pkg list |grep xscreen
>>   desktop/xscreensaver6.8-2023.0.0.0i--
>> 
>> And is disabled in gui:
>
> "Disable Screen Saver" as shown in that gui only disables the display of
> animations when the screen is idle, locking is a separate preference/setting.
>
> -- 
>  -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@oracle.com
>   Oracle Solaris Engineering - https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris

First, thanks to all for replies.  
Before I saw Alan's, and Till's replies I decided to try "pkg uninstall 
desktop/xscreensaver"
.  
I'd not done so, thinking it might cause some kind of unforeseen problems.  But 
it seemed to go off 
without problems.  Followed with reboot, and when it came back up all seems ok.
  
I left it long enough for locking to occur but it did not, so maybe it worked 
without problems
(fingers crossed)

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] where..iso of Osol build 133 update to latest OI

[Harry Putnam]

Gack... my subject looks kind of dopey, maybe tried to say to much.

Here is my query in a few words:

Where can I get an ISO of build 133 of opensolaris?

Details and why:

I run Osol Build 133 currently.   I want to go to Open indiana as it
seems to be the best thing going in a bad situation with Opensolaris.

My usage is as home network NAS but still it could be a fair bit of
work moving 100s of GB of Data to a new OS.  At least it seems

I'm no more than a long in the tooth noob, so thought it might be a
good idea to practice the move with  virtual setups.

I hoped to get an installable image of 133 so as to make the practice
as close as I can to the real McCOy.

Then try to move a virutal osol b 133 to OI build (whatever the
latest is at that time)

Oh and as an aside; would VirutalBox be the best choice?  I do have a
licensed VMware I could use.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [b 134] consensus on create static IP

[Harry Putnam]

I've been pawing around with google looking for a standard way to set
up a static IP address on newer opensolaris builds, in this case b
134.

I see at least 3 different methods described... all different.

The most recent appears to be Jan 2010... but doesn't say what build.

Before I start just mucking around experimenting, isn't there a tried
and true way to do this by now?

Some straightforward numbered guide that works for recent builds?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [b 147] Consensus on how to set up static IP

[Harry Putnam]

Can anyone point me to, or supply a brief step thru describing a known
to work method for setting up a static IP address.

One with complete steps that are current, as it appears from googling
around that there are several ways described and not all work on newer
opensolaris like b 134.

Does that also apply to oi?

Do we have a standard way to do this now?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [b 134] consensus on create static IP

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> I've been pawing around with google looking for a standard way to set
> up a static IP address on newer opensolaris builds, in this case b
> 134.
>
> I see at least 3 different methods described... all different.
>
> The most recent appears to be Jan 2010... but doesn't say what build.
>
> Before I start just mucking around experimenting, isn't there a tried
> and true way to do this by now?
>
> Some straightforward numbered guide that works for recent builds?

Sorry this was supposed to go to opensolaris.general group.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [b 147] Consensus on how to set up static IP

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Can anyone point me to, or supply a brief step thru describing a known
> to work method for setting up a static IP address.
>
> One with complete steps that are current, as it appears from googling
> around that there are several ways described and not all work on newer
> opensolaris like b 134.
>
> Does that also apply to oi?
>
> Do we have a standard way to do this now?

someone filed a bug about this and another user closed it saying the
desktop network icon would allow for manual setup.

It does have that provision and can be accessed by clicking on the
network icon,  but after a dozen attempts at setting it
to manual and patiently filling in address and netmask... it fails to
connect and reports the cable is out.

My home lan is on 192.168.0.0.  I set the manual IP to
192.168.0.5 (nothing else is on that IP)

subnetmask:
to 255.255.255.0

(Default route is set to my lan router (192.168.0.20)

Using those numbers, the connection fails every time.
And cleverly switches me to a `profile' named `nonet'

If I then click on the same connection and set it to dhcp it connects
in a second or two.

So near as I can see the tools fail to create a static IP, and do so
with no usable error ouput, only a completely mistaken message saying
the cable is out.

Is that a bonafide bug or am I still doing something wrong?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [b 147] Consensus on how to set up static IP

[Harry Putnam]

Christopher Chan  writes:

> On Tuesday, November 09, 2010 07:16 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Can anyone point me to, or supply a brief step thru describing a known
>> to work method for setting up a static IP address.
>>
>> One with complete steps that are current, as it appears from googling
>> around that there are several ways described and not all work on newer
>> opensolaris like b 134.
>
> ???

Is it really too hard to ask a question?  A series of question marks is
pretty meaningless.

[...]

>> Do we have a standard way to do this now?
>>
>
> I don't know about standard but for static ips, I use the 'old way'
> and not nwam. Which is stuff ip-address into /etc/hostname.interface0,
> svcadm disable network:nwam; svcadm enable network:physical and edit
> /etc/resolv.conf and check for dns in /etc/nsswitch.conf for hosts.

Exactly what I hoped to avoid.

----   ---=---   -   

DerSaidin  writes:

> Hello,
>
> See: http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/nwam_static_ip_address_for
>
> The other files you'll want to check (I'm unsure if these are essential)
> when setting up a NIC are:
> /etc/nsswitch.conf
> /etc/defaultrouter

I've seen various comments about that  /etc/nsswitch.conf
In my case it shows `files' first at every entry including `host'.
Apparently some where added by dhcp when that was used:

>From /etc/nsswitch.conf on opensolaris b 134
[...]
  #hosts:  files # Commented out by DHCP
  hosts: files dns # Added by DHCP
  #ipnodes:files # Commented out by DHCP
  ipnodes: files dns # Added by DHCP
[...]

About /etc/defaultrouter I do not have that file.  I could of
course create it, but it seems to work without it.

  find /etc/ -iname '*router*'   

But the route is still set and shows up in `netstat -nr' So that one
(/etc/defaultrouter) may not be necessary (this is on opensolaris b
134) 

--- - ---=--- - 

Thanks for the URL... yes, I found other input very similar and did that on an
opensolaris install successfully so hopefully it will also do the job
on openindiana b 147 Haven't got to it yet.

However I will say that opensolaris b 134 does not have the same setup
at the network icon on upper left of desktop.  

oi b 147 has a different and better dialog far as I saw.  And it may
have actually done the job... it turned out that my virtual networking
was confused by having both vmware and vbox installed apparently
when I installed vbox (after vmware by a week or two) it took over the
vmware vmnet adaptors somewhat confusing... but ok now.

>
> NWAM does static IP nicely, just not all settings are entirely accessible by
> GUI (imo config files are simpler/nicer anyway).

Yes, give me files too but which are you referring to that are not
accessible?  Do you mean /etc/defaultrouter and /etc/nsswitch.conf?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] Can this scenario be accomplished?

[Harry Putnam]

Sean  writes:

>> Would the newly installed OS recognize the data and zpool/zfs
>> structures enough to retrieve the data or copy it over.
>>
>> Like if you made this external disk a zpool, would it just be erased
>> or would the OS see the data and file structure?
>>
>
> You just need to import the zpool(s). If there is someplace on the
> network where you can copy the data to, there isn't even a need to
> install OpenSolaris/Indiana, you can just boot up from the LiveCD and
> go from there.

Please excuse a bit of running off at the mouth here... I'm not really
clear how to go at this.

Your input sounds really good, but I'm getting stuck on how this to be
done.  (I mean in theory at this point)

On the dead machine there are 3 sets of mirrored zpools (6 discs).
The one I mainly want access to now  is 2 750GB sata drives.

So I manage to connect one or both to a running os (livecd)

 ( How might that be achieved? )

Then the running os will see the discs and the zpool in it/them
along with the zfs filesystems?

If that is right so far then I would have access to the data and could
even copy some piece of it to somewhere else on the network?

Lets say I don't really have room for the full zpool, but I could
still retrieve the needed bits by simple copy commands or rsync?

Where my imagination gets in trouble is trying to visualize how the
new OS will see this disk... That is, will it see a zpool and have
immediate access?  Like I could cd into some directory on it?

> It would be a good idea to first experiment with the procedure before
> trying it out on your real drives, gather up a few USB thumbdrives and
> do the same operations. Once you're confident that your procedure is
> good, then carry on with the real drives.

That is an excellent idea and is exactly what I am doing.

But is there some reason NOT to hookup one of the actual discs to the
running OS (be it live cd or osol running in a VM)

That is, is there a good chance of harming the disc in so doing?

I'd like to just copy my www stuff... all of htdocs, some 11-15 GB.
Over to either the laptop or better still, a networked linux box that
will pass as my apache server for the time being.

Any ideas how one would hook a raw internal disc up to an opensolaris
OS running on a laptop?  The laptop has all modern connectors, esata,
usb, firewire.

Is there some kind of adaptors or external housing available to make
such a connection?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] Can this scenario be accomplished?

[Harry Putnam]

Sean  writes:

> After a zpool import of the attached zpool, the zpool and associated
> zfs filesystems will be visible and accessible.

Thanks again... that cleared some of it up.  

I see what I've been stumbling over is what `importing' is really
like.  I had visions of actually slurping all the data somewhere.

But apparently it is more a process of allowing the running os to
recognize the data where it is.  Once that is done then the usual
kinds of movement of data become possible.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] find size of raw disks

[Harry Putnam]

Is there some way to determine the size of disks discovered with
`format'

An attempt to create a 2 disk mirror failed with the message that the
disks were different sizes, but I thought they were the same size... I
must have used the wrong identifier for one of the disks... so to find
the matching disk how can I tell what size the discs turned up by
format are?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] find size of raw disks

[Harry Putnam]

McBofh  writes:

> On 22/11/10 01:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Is there some way to determine the size of disks discovered with
>> `format'
>>
>> An attempt to create a 2 disk mirror failed with the message that the
>> disks were different sizes, but I thought they were the same size... I
>> must have used the wrong identifier for one of the disks... so to find
>> the matching disk how can I tell what size the discs turned up by
>> format are?
>
>
>
> $ pfexec format
> Searching for disks...done
>
>
> AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS:
>0. c3t4d0 
>   /p...@0,0/pci10de,3...@a/pci1000,3...@0/s...@4,0
>1. c3t6d0 
>   /p...@0,0/pci10de,3...@a/pci1000,3...@0/s...@6,0
>2. c5t5000C500204C9482d0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g5000c500204c9482
>3. c5t5000C500205E77DBd0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g5000c500205e77db
>4. c5t5000CCA35DE9C580d0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g5000cca35de9c580
>5. c5t5000CCA35DEA1ED5d0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g5000cca35dea1ed5
>6. c5t5000CCA00510A7CCd0  hd 255 sec 63>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g5000cca00510a7cc
>7. c5t50024E90037AF38Cd0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g50024e90037af38c
>8. c5t50024E90037AF390d0  hd 255 sec 126>
>   /scsi_vhci/d...@g50024e90037af390
>9. c6t0d0 
>   /p...@0,0/pci108e,6...@2,1/h...@6/h...@1/stor...@1/d...@0,0
>   10. c6t0d1 
>   /p...@0,0/pci108e,6...@2,1/h...@6/h...@1/stor...@1/d...@0,1
>
>
>
> It's mostly the cylinder numbers that you need to watch out for.
> If you have devices with the same claimed manufacturer size but
> different geometry, I'd create a slice of the maximum size on the
> smaller disk, then create a slice with the same number of cylinders
> on the larger disk, and then mirror those two slices.

Thanks... very helpful.  I noticed though that once a disk is formatted
or put into a zpool the cyl no. is no longer given, but then the size
is shown

I did also find a diffeent answer too.

`iostat -En '  Appears to give both the names and the sizes.  But
not sure it would still be useful in the case you describe.


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