Re: [obrolan-bandar] The history of OCtober ...crash

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Strategi:
20% saham
80% cash 


--- Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mr. Lee,
>
>   Thanks for the clarification. I understand now...
>   Hihihihii 
>
>   Rgds,
> Rei
> 
> Lee Cwan Yeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   It is a combination : 
> OIL PRICE, 
> US ECONOMY_CRISIS,
> BUBBLE?
> SPECULATIVE TRADING (NOT INVESTMENT)
> POLITIC & CAPITAL
> GREEDY
> ETC
> 
> I still keep all of my portfolio.
> I give an information for retail trader and margin
> trader only.
> 
> October in this year is a very dangerous time to
> make a trading.
> 
> Today is green, because yesterday.. tumble
> 
> But,  What do you think if DJ will be RED tonight ?
> 
> GBU 
> 
> best regards,
> 
> LCY
> 
> 
>   - Original Message 
> From: alfian bachtiar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 10:24:09
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] The history of OCtober
> ...crash
> 
> 
> apakah bulan oktober selalu berpotensi crash Pak
> LCY ?
>   APakah saham kita memang sudah bublle ?
>   Memang kelihatannya kita ini tidak realistis ,
> saham naiknya kencang seperti ini disuruh beli masih
> mau saja.
>
>   Trus kapan pak LCY kita harus beli ?
>
>   
> 
>  
>   - Pesan Asli 
> Dari: Lee Cwan Yeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg>
> Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> Terkirim: Selasa, 23 Oktober, 2007 9:57:29
> Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] The history of OCtober
> ...crash
> 
> 
> A stock market crash is a sudden dramatic
> decline of stock prices across a significant
> cross-section of a stock market. Crashes are driven
> by panic as much as by underlying economic factors.
> They often follow speculative stock market bubbles.
>   Stock market crashes are social phenomena where
> external economic events combine with crowd
> behaviour and psychology in a positive feedback loop
> where selling by some market participants drives
> more market participants to sell. Generally
> speaking, crashes usually occur under the following
> conditions: a prolonged period of rising stock
> prices and excessive economic optimism, a market
> where P/E ratios exceed long-term averages, and
> extensive use of margin debt and leverage by market
> participants.
>   There is no numerically- specific definition of a
> crash but the term commonly applies to steep
> double-digit percentage losses in a stock market
> index over a period of several days. Crashes are
> often distinguished from bear markets by panic
> selling and abrupt, dramatic price declines. Bear
> markets are periods of declining stock market prices
> that are measured in months or years. While crashes
> are often associated with bear markets, they do not
> necessarily go hand in hand. The crash of 1987 for
> example did not lead to a bear market. Likewise, the
> Japanese Nikkei bear market of the 1990s occurred
> over several years without any notable crashes.
> 
> 28 October 1997
> U.S. stock markets were widely expected to open
> lower for October 28 due to the Asian markets
> falling even more than they did on the 27th. Hong
> Kong's Hang Seng Index declined a staggering 14%.
> The Nikkei fell 4.26%. The U.S. stock markets
> initially continued their drop from the 27th, but
> abruptly ended, and began to climb. The Dow was down
> as much as 186 points by 10:06 A.M., and soon
> thereafter a rally started. By 10:20 A.M. The Dow
> was down only 25 points. Five minutes later, the Dow
> roared back into positive territory and was up 50
> points. Nine minutes later at 10:34 A.M., the Dow
> rallied to a triple-digit advance up 137.27 points.
> Stock prices continued to soar in choppy trading
> throughout the rest of the day. At the close of
> trading at 4:00 P.M., the Dow finished with a record
> 337.17 point gain (recovering 61% of the previous
> day's loss) to close at 7,498.32. The market
> restored $384 billion of the $663 billion in market
> capitalization lost the previous day. One
>  billion shares were traded on the New York Stock
> Exchange for the first time ever, with a volume of
> 1.21 billion shares. In 2006 terms, this amount is
> considered very light. The NASDAQ Composite also
> made a record gain on record volume, gaining 67.93
> to 1,603.02. The NASDAQ also saw its first-ever
> one-billion share day with 1.23 billion shares
> changing hands.
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[obrolan-bandar] BP net income drops 29%

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

BP net income drops 29%
Lower margins, disruptions at refineries weigh on
quarterly profit even as crude prices soar. 
October 23 2007: 4:36 AM EDT


LONDON (AP) -- BP PLC, one of Europe's biggest oil
companies, reported Tuesday that profit in the third
quarter fell 29 percent compared to a year ago because
of lower margins and interruptions of refining
activity.

The company reported a net profit of $4.4 billion
(€3.09 billion) in the three months ending Sept. 30,
compared to $6.2 billion in the same period of 2006.

Revenue rose 2.7 percent to $72.6 billion (€50.9
billion).

For the first nine months of the year, profit was down
14 percent at $16.4 billion (€11.5 billion).

The company said refining throughputs were 2.15
billion barrels a day for the quarter, compared to
2.29 billion barrels a day in the same period a year
ago.

The company said the drop was mainly due to the sale
of the Coryton refinery in England in May and lower
availability of its Whiting refinery in Indiana, which
was hit by a fire in March.

Those problems were partly offset by continuing gains
at the Texas City refinery which was heavily damaged
by an explosion two years ago.

BP said it expected Whiting and Texas City to be
working at full capacity in the first half of next
year.

BP shares were up 0.7 percent at 609.5 pence ($12.45)
on the London Stock Exchange.

Richard Hunter, analyst at Hargreaves Lansdown
Stockbrokers in London, said the market had been
prepared for the downbeat report, and he was
optimistic that the worst was over for the company.

"The recent oil price highs should underpin
performance, along with the resumption of projects
such as the Gulf of Mexico, Thunder Horse and, in the
foreseeable future, the Texas refinery, which should
return to full capacity," Hunter said.

"The challenges may not be over but at least the rot
seems to have been stopped. The shares appear to have
weathered the worst of the storm, and now stand up 5
percent over the last six months, although broadly
flat over the last year." 


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[obrolan-bandar] NEXT TARGET 2200 !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

target selanjutnya 2200 ya ??

nanti malam, besok ada pengumuman house di amrik siap2
aja, ditambah jumat ada lap kei countrywide ...

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: NEXT TARGET 2200 !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

seharunsnya pakai tanda tanya ??? bukan pakai tanda
seru 

tapi rupiah kok loyo terus nih 

koreksi dulu kali, baru kalau minyak pas musim dingin
nanti ga naik baru bisa ke 2600-2700. kemarin sptnya
harga minyak test case, karena amerika lagi butuh
harga minyak turun makanya OPEC nambahin lagi kuota,
karena kalau harga minyak naik, yg ada malah inflasi
gede bgt ...

--- exindo_trade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kan jadi bingung, lha itu semua kan di amrik. Kok
> kita ikut koreksi 
> sih. Btw, lap keu Q3 di kita kapan keluarnya ya?
> Harusnya pada bagus 
> semua itu.
> Jadinya target berikut berapa nih...2400 ato 2200?
> Jadi dana saya yg 
> pas-pasan ini bisa diluncurkan pada saat yg tepat.
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Siswantoro,
> Dodik" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > target selanjutnya 2200 ya ??
> > 
> > nanti malam, besok ada pengumuman house di amrik
> siap2
> > aja, ditambah jumat ada lap kei countrywide ...
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] NEXT TARGET 2200 !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

bisa ke sini pak

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/overview?u

lap keu emiten BEJ udah mulai keluar nih ada yg bisa
sharing BNI gimana hari ini?


--- master download <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pak siswanto, bisa info in alamat web countrywide,
> pengumuman
> atau lebih tepatnya kalender kegiatan tersebut
> 
> ths. tony
> 
> On 10/23/07, Siswantoro, Dodik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >   target selanjutnya 2200 ya ??
> >
> > nanti malam, besok ada pengumuman house di amrik
> siap2
> > aja, ditambah jumat ada lap kei countrywide ...
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[obrolan-bandar] Apa yg terjadi bila Fed tidak nurunin rate??

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

harga indeks asia sekarang sudah price in dengan
asumsi Fed akan nurunin rate, apa yg terjadi kalau fed
tidak nurunin rate akhir bulan ini, tapi di bulan
desember dengan dasar:

1. harga minyak naik, maka inflasi akan naik
2. dolar semakin melemah dan diperparah dengan
hengkangnya dana dari amrik
3. 10 year bond jeblok

ada yg bisa kasih masukan???

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Apa yg terjadi bila Fed tidak nurunin rate??

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

minyak udah diatas 90 US lagi kalau mau 100USD tinggal
isu musim dingin aja ...



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> Bung John, poin no. 5, SETUJU banget!
> Mbah Harto & Eyang Mahathir juga bakal nyengir and
> nyemprot US:
> Heh heh heh, kite elu lawan! Sambil pangsiun &
> ongkang-ongkang kaki aje,
> kite bisa liat elu nyungsep sendirian...
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> 
> He he he, just kidding yo... no offense.
> 
> 
> On 10/26/07, john ramos butarbutar
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   Sekarang mungkin ini menjadi hal yang menarik
> ukt kita bahas
> > Apabila FED tidak menurunkan suku bunganya,
> menurut saya :
> > 1. NYSE akan turun cukup dalam karena banyak
> lap-keu perusahaan
> > disana yg jeblok dan Daya beli masyarakat Amerika
> akan menurun,
> > membuat NYSE sudah kurang menarik lagi utk tempat
> investasi.
> > 2. Bursa Eropa pasti juga akan jeblok karena
> mengikuti saudara
> > serumpunnya ( NYSE ) dan juga krn beberapa
> perbankan dan perusahaan
> > di Eropa ikut terkena imbas Krisis perumahan di
> USA.
> > 3. Bursa Asia akan turun sesaat karena "latah"
> terhadap Bursa USA
> > tapi kemudian akan naik kembali karena adanya
> Capital Inflow yang
> > masuk yg berasal dari pelarian modal dari NYSE.
> > 4. BEJ termasuk salah satu Bursa yg akan menerima
> Capital Inflow yg
> > cukup besar karena Lap-Keu Perusahaan di Indonesia
> cukup bagus dan
> > menarik, serta adanya pertumbuhan ekonomi yg cukup
> tinggi yaitu 6,3%
> > utk tahun 2007 mengakibatkan PPP ( Purchasing
> Power Parity )
> > Masyarakat kita naik yang membuat roda ekonomi
> bergulir cukup
> > kencang.
> > 5. Diluar semua itu, saya jadi berpikir : apakah
> ini balasan Yang
> > Maha Kuasa thd ahli-ahli keuangan dan Fund Manager
> Amerika yang
> > telah membuat ASia jatuh kedalam krisis pada tahun
> 1997 lalu, dimana
> > pada tahun 2007 ini mereka yang mengalami krisis ?
> kalau benar
> > demikian, sungguh ALLAH Yang Maha Kuasa adalah
> Yang Maha ADIL
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > "Siswantoro, Dodik"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > harga indeks asia sekarang sudah price in dengan
> > > asumsi Fed akan nurunin rate, apa yg terjadi
> kalau fed
> > > tidak nurunin rate akhir bulan ini, tapi di
> bulan
> > > desember dengan dasar:
> > >
> > > 1. harga minyak naik, maka inflasi akan naik
> > > 2. dolar semakin melemah dan diperparah dengan
> > > hengkangnya dana dari amrik
> > > 3. 10 year bond jeblok
> > >
> > > ada yg bisa kasih masukan???
> > >
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[obrolan-bandar] analisa TA -nya please ...

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

kalau gini akhir tahun bisa 3000, minyak belum terlalu
berbepengaruh siknifikan selama masih di bawah 100
USD, di samping lap keuangan di Dow ga jeblok2 amat
(liat aja Countrywide yg malah naik pas hari Jumat). 

salam 

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] AMIBROKER

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

kalau mau donlot data pakai amiquote, masukan kode
saham atau index dia akan update sendiri

kemudian dari aminroker buka dari open ascii, dan
dibuka pakai symbol ... 


--- rwnhaji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> saya mau nanya tentang seluk beluk amibroker, ada
> yang paham? plis
> help me. Beberapa waktu lalu ada brow OB yang mau
> bantu cuma g luma
> imilnya.
> 
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[obrolan-bandar] FOMC Meeting Update:

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

FOMC Meeting Update:
The next scheduled meeting of the FOMC is set for
Septembe 18, 2007. Money-rates.com is currently
forecasting a 50% chance that rates will be left
unchanged by the Fed, a 1% chance of a 45 basis point
increase, and a 49% chance of a rate decrease.

2007 FOMC Meetings: October 30-31, December 11 

The futures market is currently pricing in a reduction
in the Federal Funds rate by February 2008. Current
equivalent fed funds rates implicit in the trading of
the futures contract are:

November 2007: 4.65% 


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[obrolan-bandar] Bernanke, `Reluctant' to Cut Rates, May End Up Doing So Anyway

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Bernanke, `Reluctant' to Cut Rates, May End Up Doing
So Anyway 

By Rich Miller

 Oct. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben
S. Bernanke and his colleagues sound as if they'd
prefer to just say no to an interest-rate cut this
week. The financial markets may not let them. 

Policy makers from Bernanke on down have avoided
signaling they want to reduce benchmark lending rates
at their Oct. 30-31 meeting, ever since lowering them
by a larger-than-anticipated half percentage point in
September. Instead, Fed officials have stressed how
uncertain the outlook is and, in words Bernanke used
twice in a single week, how ``challenging'' it is to
make policy. 

Traders don't agree. They consider the chances of a
rate cut this week as a cinch, judging from federal
funds futures prices at the end of last week. If the
Fed disappoints them, it risks upsetting still-fragile
markets and hurting the economy. 

``The Fed is reluctant to ease,'' says Louis Crandall,
chief economist at Jersey City, New Jersey-based
Wrightson ICAP LLC, a unit of ICAP Plc, the world's
largest broker for banks and other financial
institutions. ``But it also doesn't want to unsettle
the financial markets unnecessarily.'' 

The likely rationale if the Fed cuts: a desire to
prevent the worst case, in which renewed market
tumult, rising oil prices and falling home values
drive the U.S. economy into recession. 

No Promises 

The Fed, though, may combine such a move with an
open-ended statement that doesn't promise further
cuts. Its goal would be to dissuade investors from
anticipating a series of reductions, an outlook that
could further weaken the dollar and revive inflation
concerns. 

``They'll use the statement to try to temper
expectations of further rate cuts,'' says Michael
Feroli, a former Fed economist who is now with
JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York. 

Speculation about what the Fed will do this week has
swung widely since the central bank cut its target for
the federal funds rate -- the rate banks charge each
other for overnight loans -- to 4.75 percent from 5.25
percent on Sept. 18. 

Traders in federal funds futures initially bet heavily
on an Oct. 31 rate cut, pushing the odds of such a
move to 75 percent or more at the beginning of
October. They then scaled their expectations back
below 50 percent after the government on Oct. 5
revised August payroll numbers to show a gain instead
of a decline. 

Increasing Odds 

Further weakness in housing, along with dismal
earnings reports from Citigroup Inc. and other big
banks, helped trigger fresh market turmoil during the
last two weeks, prompting traders to again raise the
odds of a rate cut, with some even expecting a
half-point reduction. 

``The markets are yo-yoing all over the place,'' says
former Fed Governor Lyle Gramley, now a senior
economic adviser at Stanford Group Co. in Washington.
``The Fed ought to have a cooler head.'' 

Gramley is among a minority of economists who expect
the Fed to stand pat. He says policy makers may not
have enough evidence of a weaker economy to support
another rate reduction now. 

Indeed, Fed officials don't depict an economy in as
dire straits as some in the markets do, suggesting
they'd prefer to wait and see how conditions develop
before cutting rates again. 

While housing keeps weakening, the rest of the economy
is holding up. Retail sales rose 0.6 percent in
September, double the increase of the previous month.
Business investment in computers and machinery also
increased, prompting some economists to raise
estimates for third-quarter growth. 

Anecdotal Information 

Anecdotal information the Fed has gathered from
business contacts, which has more weight in uncertain
times, shows the economy expanding, albeit at a slower
pace than when the central bank's Federal Open Market
Committee met last month. 

In a regional survey known as the Beige Book, none of
the 12 Fed banks reported signs of a sharp contraction
in growth, based on information collected through Oct.
5. 

``On balance, I would characterize the data we have
received on the real economy since the last FOMC
meeting as supporting our baseline forecast,'' Chicago
Fed President Charles L. Evans said in an Oct. 22
speech. 

That forecast calls for the economy to pick up over
the next year to a growth rate closer to 2.5 percent
after slowing below that level in the final quarter of
this year. 

Policy makers, including San Francisco Fed President
Janet Yellen, have also highlighted the economy's
ability to weather financial turmoil in the past as
reason to avoid overreacting to the latest market
squall. 

The 1998 Experience 

They cite 1998, when stocks slumped and credit costs
rose after the collapse of hedge fund Long Term
Capital Management in September. Helped by three
rapid-fire rate cuts by the Fed, the economy barreled
ahead, growing by 6.2 percent in the fourth quarter. 

Like today, the Fed had problems managing
expectations. After trimming rates a quarter
percentage point in

[obrolan-bandar] LAP KEU TELKOM JEBLOK

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

UPDATE 1-Indonesia's Telkom Q3 profit falls 6.2 pct 

target 15000 bisa wassalam, apalagi kalau Fed nahan
suku bunga besok ...

sumber:
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINWEA552020071030?rpc=44


--- budihadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mesti diruwat kali pak.
> Ganti nama aja jadi Doekoen Saham atau kalau mau
> lebih afdol lagi Doekoen Tlekom (bukan Telkom ya.. 
> ;=))
> 
> Jangan marah ya pak. 
> Just kidding daripada stress nungguin pengumuman The
> FED
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: doekoen jamoe 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] 30 October 2007
> 15:52 Pasti penutupan TLKM bakal dikerek naek!
> 
> 
>   3x salah gua... malah digelontor
> 
> 
>
>   On 10/30/07, MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> yang ngerek lupa sama tugasnya. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- doekoen jamoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: 
> 
> > 30 October 2007 15:52 Pasti penutupan TLKM
> bakal
> > dikerek naek!
> > 
> > DJ
> > 
> 
> 
> MK
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's over - lagu lama buang aje

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

isu subprime mortgage sebenarnya isu basi, bisa jadi
digunakan untuk koreksi berkaitan dengan FED ...

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[obrolan-bandar] BEJ Tak Libur Saat Pilkada DKI

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

BEJ Tak Libur Saat Pilkada DKI
Transaksi saham di BEJ tetap buka dan berjalan normal
saat pelaksanaan pemilihan kepala daerah (pilkada) DKI
Jakarta 8 Agustus 2007. 

waduh usul libur aja ya? biar tenang marketnya ... :P


  

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[obrolan-bandar] GARA BNI divestasi?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

emang apesss bgt

udah inflasi naik, AHM bikin panik, eh BNI jual saham
cuma 2000 perak, bisa dibilang saham bank jeblok gara2
ini??, untung ga masuk bank


mentri BUMN bisa dipersalahkan  tuh, jual sahamnya
kemurahan 





   

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[obrolan-bandar] Wassalam MOrtage di Amrik

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

FYI 

beberapa harga saham mortgage di amrik selama 3 bulan
, sptnya udah cappe deh turun mulu, apa bisa harga
saham negatif he he he 

LUMINENT MTG CAP INC dari 8 ke 7
THORNBURG MTG INC  dari 27 ke 25
AMER HOME MTG INVT  dari 25 ke 1
NEW YORK MORTGAGE T dari 2,5 ke 1
IMPAC MTG HLDGS INC  dari 5 ke 2


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Senayan jam 2 siang hari ini

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

FYI

hari ini ada adang dani jam 2:00, ...

salam 


  

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[obrolan-bandar] Mekanisme Pasar, ente jual ane beli :P

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Penurunan saham disebabkan oleh:

1. Kinerja emiten yang jelek dan faktor lainnya
2. Banyak jual beli dikit


Faktor kedua inilah yang mendominasi saham turun :P




  

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[obrolan-bandar] Ready to rebound

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Ready to rebound
Credit crunch developments could give a lift to U.S.
markets at Monday's open.
August 6 2007: 3:47 AM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- U.S. stocks were poised to
open higher Monday as investors saw something positive
in the Bear Stearns shakeup as far as the credit
crunch is concerned.

At 3:45 a.m. ET, Nasdaq and S&P futures were up,
indicating a partial recovery at the open from
Friday's huge selloff.

Bear Stearns (Charts, Fortune 500) president and chief
operating officer Warren Spector resigned Sunday, two
days after the investment bank said it is weathering
the worst financial market atmosphere in 20 years.
Standard & Poor's changed Bear Stearns' credit outlook
to negative and stable, and said it was reviewing its
debt ratings.

Other stocks in the news early Monday included ABN
Amro (Charts), General Electric (Charts, Fortune 500),
Jones Apparel Group (Charts, Fortune 500),Freddie Mac
(Charts, Fortune 500) and Amazon.com (Charts, Fortune
500). 

Check premarket activity


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Dow Jones +34.00 FUTURES

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Sep 2007 Change Level Last Update†   
 
S&P 500 +4.30 1447.30 8/6 4:36am  
Fair Value  1437.84 8/3 6:18pm 
Difference*  +9.46  
 
NASDAQ +4.25 1943.75 8/6 4:36am  
Fair Value  1930.36 8/3 6:18pm 
Difference*  +13.39  
 
Dow Jones +34.00 13300.00 8/6 4:36am  
DJIA Contracts 



   
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[obrolan-bandar] Sediki-dikit panik, sedikit-dikit panik -- panik kok sedikit-dikit

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

gile NYUROP ijo, gini BEJ masih geblek ...




   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] IHSG Letoy lagi.....

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

indeks future ga ngaruh2 amat


--- michael owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Future masih dalam teritori negatip.
> .biasanya DOW ngikutin ntar malem..
> lalu besok regional pada merah lagi.
> om nippon blum tertipu dia sih ditutup tipis2 aja,
> nunggu konfirmasi...
> kalo DOW ntar malem negatip lagi ya sutralah.
> 
> 
> 
> Future
> 
> North/Latin America
>   
> INDEXVALUECHANGEOPENHIGHLOWTIMEDJIA
> INDEX13,460.00-11.0013,471.0013,478.0013,452.0003:22
>   S&P 5001,465.80-1.901,468.001,469.701,464.7003:32 
>  NASDAQ
> 1001,960.00-2.501,964.751,965.001,959.7503:32  
> S&P/TSE 60 785.10-16.30N.A.N.A.N.A.08/03
> 
> Derry Artanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Iya
> nih...
>  Kalo masih pada senang jualan dan nggak hold mana
> bisa rebound
>  Padahal sebagian besar regional HIJAU, tetap nggak
> ngaruh...
>   
>  Eropa juga dibuka hijau sore ini...
>  BI Rate sudah sesuai perkiraan analis, kurang apa
> coba...
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> -
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Lawan arus lagi...

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

A A

hari ini turun karena BNI dan TMPI ...

--- Bambang V Subroto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
> Besok A 
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dean Earwicker
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Lawan arus lagi...
> 
> 
> 
> Waww ditodong lagi. Besok enggak tahu.
> 
> Mendingan voting aja:
> A. Besok hijau
> B. Besok merah
> C. Besok pagi hijau, sore merah.
> D. Besok pagi merah, sore hijau.
> 
> Saya pilih D.
> 
> Yang lain?
> 
> Regards,
> DE
> 
> 
> 
> .
>  
>

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> 
>  
> 



   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Besok ijo lagi

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Sip, sptnya subprime udah ga di tanggepin lagi  ... 

jangan2 sebelum 18 Sept udah 2400 lagi :P 



--- dERRy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Amin...
> 
> Kayaknya begitu...
> Barusan baca Bloomberg
> 
> Bank of America's Countrywide Bet May Bolster
> Mortgage Market
> 
> By Bradley Keoun
>  Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp. bought
> $2 billion of preferred
> stock from Countrywide Financial Corp. to stabilize
> the nation's largest
> mortgage lender as fallout from the U.S. housing
> slump paralyzes credit
> markets worldwide.
> 
> Kayaknya bisa jadi angin segar bagi apasar amrik...
> Buktinya berita ini ditanggapi positif oleh pasar
> eropa...
> 



   

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[obrolan-bandar] DJ Forecast

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

kalau menurut forecast DJ naik dikit hingga nov 07

http://www.forecasts.org/djia.htm


   
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[obrolan-bandar] 28 Agustus, FOMC Minutes siap2, BEJ ayo jangan mau didikte terus ama DJ, TMPI dan MEDC lawan arus

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Laporan home di Amrik bakal jadi kambing item lagi, he
he

Tanggal 28 Agustus 2007, Bernanke ngomong apa ya?
SIap-siap rebound kalau ngikutin kemauan pasar ...

TMPI dan MEDC lawan arus




   

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[obrolan-bandar] JII udah ijo hari ini!!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

 
 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Kenapa UNSP turun?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

ada yg bisa kasih info kenapa UNSP turun? terkait
dengan waran barunya?


   
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[obrolan-bandar] IHSG tembus 2200 hari ini?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Walaupun dibuka melemah tapi ga lemah2 amat. Ini
ditopang oleh berita investasi yg melonjak hingga Rp
32 triliunm dan laporan ANTM, dan kemungkinan inflasi
yg akan kecil 

Yen sedikit menguat karena BoJ mau naikin suku bunga
walapun harus nunggu si FED dulu. Nikkei naik walaupun
sempat anjlok cukup besar, ini karena reshuffle
kabinet

bisa jadi IHSG ditutup diatas 2200 hari ini atau turun
dulu, kita lihat aja, so enjoy aja. 

nanti malam ada FOMC minutes, semoga Bernanke
ngomongnya kondusif


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Putin Datang, Perdagangan RI-Rusia Diharap naik 3X Lipat

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Setelah Abe, 

Putin Datang, Perdagangan RI-Rusia Diharap naik 3X
Lipat


Bersamaan dengan kedatangan Presiden Putin, pengusaha
RI-Rusia akan menyelenggarakan Forum Bisnis. Nilai
perdagangan pun diharap naik 3x lipat. 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Housing Market Crisis May Already Have Passed: Kevin Hassett

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Housing Market Crisis May Already Have Passed: Kevin
Hassett 

By Kevin Hassett


 Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Has the U.S. housing market
hit bottom? 

The market has been in free fall for some time now,
with the subprime scare roiling bond and equity
markets in a way that has not been seen since the
Asian financial crisis of a decade ago. 

Amid all the doom and gloom, it's easy to forget that
all such declines eventually end. There has been a lot
of bad news lately, but the good news is this: The
housing market may be getting close to a turnaround. 

Last week, we learned that new home sales rose 2.8
percent in July, and the inventory of unsold homes
fell to 7.5 months. Credit concerns are making
mortgages harder to get, though the numbers indicate
that enough well-qualified buyers have decided to stop
sitting on the sidelines to give the market a boost. 

One does need to be cautious about reading too much
into a single month of data. The impact of the
mortgage-lending shenanigans may yet get much worse.
Still, a cold, hard look at the data on the housing
market suggests that its negative impact on the
overall economy may be fading. 

Back in the fourth quarter of 2005, household
investment in new homes and repairs peaked at an
annual rate of $711.8 billion in 2006 dollars,
according to Federal Reserve data. By the first
quarter of this year, it had dropped to $549.3 billion
in 2006 dollars. 

Housing Economics 

That 23 percent decrease is enormous relative to
declines that have occurred in the past, even during
economic slumps. In the recession of 1990-1991,
residential investment dropped about 10 percent.
During the worst housing recession, in 1980, the
decline was only 17 percent. Residential investment
actually increased during the last recession. 

Still, a decline doesn't have to stop just because it
is larger than those of the past. To understand
whether the end is near, one needs to grapple with the
economics of housing. 

In theory, investment in such a long-lasting asset
plummets when investors decide they have done too much
of it. If society needs 100 million homes but finds
itself with 103 million, new construction drops
precipitously. 

The extra 3 million homes aren't destroyed, however.
Instead, homeowners will sit back and let the natural
wear and tear of depreciation work its wonders, until
only 100 million homes are left. 

Falling Investment 

If the market enters such a state of retrenchment,
then it's apparent in the aggregate data because
investment in housing drops to a level below that
required to offset depreciation. 

In a growing economy, with an expanding population,
the retrenchment looks slightly different. In this
case, investment drops to a level consistent with more
sustainable growth in the housing stock. Such an
adjustment has often been witnessed in recessions in
the past. 

Outside of recessions, the per capita growth of
housing has been 1.1 percent since 1952, according to
Federal Reserve statistics. During recessions, it
drops not to zero, but to an average level of about
0.8 percent. 

So, if you want to know whether investment in real
estate has fallen enough, you need to identify where
it is today relative to normal wear and tear. If
investment is much higher than that required to offset
wear and tear, then one should expect it to drop a
good deal more. If it has already dropped to the
retrenchment point, than it has declined enough and
should stabilize. 

Retrenchment? 

Here's the good news: The latest Fed data suggest that
investment may have dropped enough to have reached a
reasonable retrenchment point. 

Relying on an old government number -- that housing
capital ``decays'' at a rate of about 1.1 percent per
year -- and adjusting for population growth, then the
numbers suggest that the existing stock of residential
real estate is growing at a rate of about 0.3 percent
per year. 

That growth is about 1 percentage point below where it
was in 2005, and about half a point below the average
level experienced in postwar U.S. recessions. 

It's likely, however, that housing capital decays a
bit faster than that. If so, then the stock of housing
in the U.S. isn't growing at all, and may even be
shrinking. That is exactly the measured response to an
overhang that economics would predict. 

Ahead of the Game 

Financial markets have suffered tremendously because
of increasing concern that losses from the U.S.
mortgage market will threaten the health of major
financial institutions. Usually, securities markets
move ahead of the game. This time, however, the real
activity has been adjusting for some time. 

We may still see a meltdown because of widespread
losses in the subprime market. And housing prices, as
opposed to construction, might well see more declines.


If those two things happen, then the economy may still
end up in a recession, as consumers cut spending once
made possible by taking equity out of their homes, and
stressed lenders increase the cost of capita

[obrolan-bandar] AWAS BARANG ANDA DICURI ORANG !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

FEd bilang akan intervensi kalau market jelek, jadi 

ya market dibuat jelek deh, kalau ga gitu Fed rate ga
turun...

Kalau IHSG ikutan turun, bisa jadi ada yg ambil
kesempatan he he 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Profit taking ramai2 seAsia, Fed akan menurunkan rate

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Amerika naik 2%, Eropa naik 1%, ..

Asia hari ini cuma sekitar 1%, profit taking ramai2
menjelang nanti malam pengumuman GDP US ...

Kalau di Eropa omongan Bernanke malah ditanggapin
positif,he he tanya kenapa, omongan Bernanke dianggap
akan menurunkan FED: 

LONDON, Aug 30 (Reuters) - European shares are set to
rise on Thursday, tracking gains in the U.S. and Asian
markets after comments from U.S. Federal Reserve
Chairman Ben Bernanke raised hopes of an interest rate
cut and boosted by upbeat results from Carrefour
(CARR.PA: Quote, Profile, Research), Diageo (DGE.L:
Quote, Profile, Research) and InBev (INTB.BR: Quote,
Profile, Research).

A letter from Bernanke, in which he said the Fed was
"prepared to act as needed" to ensure credit market
troubles do not adversely affect the economy, added to
investor speculation for a much hoped-for interest
rate cut.



   

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[obrolan-bandar] Futures DJ ijo banget

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

PDB yang besar di USA menunjukkan perekonomian yang
besar sehingga krisis sub prime ga siknifikan banget
karena emang kecil dan ekses aja.

Hari Senin DJ libur




   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa DE : Senin hammer

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

kalau Bernanke dan Bush ngomong rate turun, bisa masih
naik terus :)


--- Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Candle hari ini nyaris hampir mirip dengan perkiraan
> saya, walaupun
> candlenya gak sepanjang yang diperkirakan. Apakah
> senin akan berlanjut?
> Let's hope for the best.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *disclaimer*
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DE
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> c_20070829.gif
> 
>  
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Pusi Imoet
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:47 AM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa DE : Besok
> hijau
> 
>  
> 
> kere  ini baru ramalan bintang
> hebat...salut
> 
> belanja dulu ahmumpung diskon :D
> 
>  
> 
> On 8/30/07, jeky wilopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: 
> 
> Pak DEmau doong softwarenya...online apa off
> line mode? kalo online kan
> asik juga...bisa langsung forcast for next day.
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa DE : Senin hammer

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

kalau om ben main saham juga ga ya? bisa untung
banyak, because he is a truly market maker he he

--- Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bisa, dan itu bagus dong. Tapi mungkin market sudah
> antisipasi hari ini. You
> know, "buy on rumors, sell on news". It really
> works.
> 
> Regards,
> DE
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Siswantoro, Dodik
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:47 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa DE : Senin
> hammer
> 
> kalau Bernanke dan Bush ngomong rate turun, bisa
> masih
> naik terus :)
> 
> 
> --- Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Candle hari ini nyaris hampir mirip dengan
> perkiraan
> > saya, walaupun
> > candlenya gak sepanjang yang diperkirakan. Apakah
> > senin akan berlanjut?
> > Let's hope for the best.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > *disclaimer*
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > DE
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > c_20070829.gif
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Pusi Imoet
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:47 AM
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa DE : Besok
> > hijau
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > kere  ini baru ramalan bintang
> > hebat...salut
> > 
> > belanja dulu ahmumpung diskon :D
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On 8/30/07, jeky wilopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > Pak DEmau doong softwarenya...online apa off
> > line mode? kalo online kan
> > asik juga...bisa langsung forcast for next
> day.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>
>

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[obrolan-bandar] September ceria ?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

sejak tahun 2003 hingga 2006 indeks BEJ selalu ditutup
lebih tinggi kecuali pada tahun 2000-2002, 

bulan ini dianggap bulan yg turun mulu di amrik karena
orang emang cenderung jualan, katanya ada perubahan
musim?.


tahun 2007 ini seperti akan ditutup naik dengan syarat
om ben nurunin Fed,

salam 




   

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[obrolan-bandar] Inflasi Agustus 0,75%

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Inflasi Agustus 0,75%

BPS mencatat inflasi Agustus sebesar 0,75%. Inflasi
tersebut berarti lebih tinggi dibandingkan inflasi
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[obrolan-bandar] Mengapa IHSG terus naik?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Ada beberapa sebab IHSG terus naik:

1. Investasi FDI naik 23 t bulan juli
2. Upgrading 10 bank oleh Moodys
3. Untuk TLKM naik karena akuisisi ICON+, gila nih
kalau udah jadi jaringan fiber optik dll nya
4. KARK, efisiensi anak perusahaan?
5. Isu penurunan FED semakin jelas
6. Bush bikin UU penganggulangan sub prime mortgage
7. Si Abe datang bawa dana dan Si Putin juga akan
datang 
8. maaf ini asal aja, mungkin partai balas dendam
karena kemarin IHSG turun paling tajam he he he 

Saya sendiri melihat inflasi bukan hal menakutkan
karena IHSG naik ga ada hubungannya ama inflasi secara
langsung (maklum pasar tidak efisien), walaupun BI
mungkin ga akan menurunkan suku bunga. 

Note: kenaikan harga yang menimbulkan inflasi tidak
serta merta dapat ditanggulangi dengan kenaikan suku
bunga, bukan begitu? 

Salam 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Mengapa IHSG terus naik?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Ada beberapa sebab IHSG terus naik:

1. Investasi FDI naik 23 t bulan juli
2. Upgrading 10 bank oleh Moodys
3. Untuk TLKM naik karena akuisisi ICON+, gila nih
kalau udah jadi jaringan fiber optik dll nya
4. KARK, efisiensi anak perusahaan?
5. Isu penurunan FED semakin jelas
6. Bush bikin UU penganggulangan sub prime mortgage
7. Si Abe datang bawa dana dan Si Putin juga akan
datang 
8. maaf ini asal aja, mungkin partai balas dendam
karena kemarin IHSG turun paling tajam he he he 

Saya sendiri melihat inflasi bukan hal menakutkan
karena IHSG naik ga ada hubungannya ama inflasi secara
langsung (maklum pasar tidak efisien), walaupun BI
mungkin ga akan menurunkan suku bunga. 

Note: kenaikan harga yang menimbulkan inflasi tidak
serta merta dapat ditanggulangi dengan kenaikan suku
bunga, bukan begitu? 

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[obrolan-bandar] NAB Reksadana proteksi turun terus?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

NAB Reksadana proteksi turun terus? 

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Mengapa IHSG terus naik?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

naik lagi pak :)

sebelum Juli, untuk naik 200 poin butuh 2 bulan
setelah Juli, untuk naik 200 poin butuh 1 minggu

berarti koreksinya cuma harian kali ya

--- sbudianaY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lo kok di saya turun 2203,6...
> 
>  
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of rudd haas
> Sent: 04 September 2007 13:57
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mengapa IHSG terus
> naik?
> 
>  
> 
> ISHG naik, menurut analisa dan pengamatan saya
> karena banyak harga saham
> yang naik..he..he ..he 
> 
>  
> 
> But any way , kalau menurut saya, karena banyak
> kinerja emiten yang bagus,
> mungkin di banding periode sebelumnya. apalagi
> setelah banyak laporan
> keuangan ynag di umumkan. dan kekhawatiran akan
> krisis, semakin pupus .
> kalaupun akan ada beberapa down , saya rasa hnya
> profit taking biasa aja,
> bukan karena trend down 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> "Siswantoro, Dodik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Ada beberapa sebab IHSG terus naik:
> 
> 1. Investasi FDI naik 23 t bulan juli
> 2. Upgrading 10 bank oleh Moodys
> 3. Untuk TLKM naik karena akuisisi ICON+, gila nih
> kalau udah jadi jaringan fiber optik dll nya
> 4. KARK, efisiensi anak perusahaan?
> 5. Isu penurunan FED semakin jelas
> 6. Bush bikin UU penganggulangan sub prime mortgage
> 7. Si Abe datang bawa dana dan Si Putin juga akan
> datang 
> 8. maaf ini asal aja, mungkin partai balas dendam
> karena kemarin IHSG turun paling tajam he he he 
> 
> Saya sendiri melihat inflasi bukan hal menakutkan
> karena IHSG naik ga ada hubungannya ama inflasi
> secara
> langsung (maklum pasar tidak efisien), walaupun BI
> mungkin ga akan menurunkan suku bunga. 
> 
> Note: kenaikan harga yang menimbulkan inflasi tidak
> serta merta dapat ditanggulangi dengan kenaikan suku
> bunga, bukan begitu? 
> 
> Salam 
> 
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Re: Re[2]: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] Big picture

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

iye dah

btw market bakal gini mulu ga ya sampai akhir tahun ..

naik turun koreksi cuma dikit2,  :P

--- julyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear All, sorry kalo kata2 dibawah ini ada yang
> tidak setuju, untuk
> perenungan saja
> 
> if GOD becomes angry, then GOD is not the almighty
> one, because He is
> not aware what is in the future.
> If GOD is the almighty one, He would know everything
> in the future,
> and He won't angry because he already know before it
> happen, even
> shit, unless He would prevent it to happen, once
> again He is the
> almighty one.
> 
> If GOD choose whatever you takes in every moment,
> then you should not
> think, should not react to anything happen. Because
> whatever you take
> and happen to you is already chosen by GOD, and you
> should not
> complain about it. The most beautiful is you should
> not take any of
> responsibility of it, why? because that's GOD's, He
> is the one who
> takes it for you.
> 
> if you think that GOD will solve the problem you
> have, then you never
> grow up...
> 
> whatever you do, is whatever you will take, is
> whatever will happen to you
> , is your responsibility.
> 
> c'est la vie, quand meme.
> 
> Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 7:15:25 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Hahaha..Mr DE, if you know the right way,
> definitely you will
> > choose that one or you are really stupid to choose
> the loosing way,
> > the real problem is because you don’t know, you
> choose one you think
> > is the right one, and the one you choose will be
> the one DECIDED BY
> > GOD, so if you are lucky you will choose the
> profitable one and in
> > bad luck you will choose the loosing one, don’t
> you feel it, kindly
> > be aware of it or GOD will become angry very soon,
> hahaha..
> 
> > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Dean Earwicker
> > Sent: 04 September 2007 18:05
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] Big
> picture
> 
>   
> > God made choices for us to take, so we must make
> choices in life
> > given by God, and we’re responsible for every path
> we take.
> >  Sometimes we’re right on track, but sometimes
> we’re totally lost,
> > but if we just pause a little bit and think again,
> we’ll know that
> > God has already give us guidance to  the right
> way, we just don’t
> > want to remember it, or we simply ignore it.
> 
> 
> -- 
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[obrolan-bandar] Yen diprediksi ke 120, Nikkei turun karena politik?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Yen diprediksi akan ke 120, good news?




   

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[obrolan-bandar] Kenapa pending home sales di US turun?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Kenapa pending home sales di US turun? 

mungkin juga yg mau beli nungguin turun rate yg mau
turun jadi ya, pending home salesnya turun 12%. Gitu
aja kok market di amrik sampai jeblok 1%. cari2
kambing item nih

sekarang futures dow udah ijo lagi, sptnya IHSG
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[obrolan-bandar] FED akan turun !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Kalau Ben emang basis akademisi, ia akan turunkan rate
tapi emang turun tipis sih:

1. Menurut Futures contract diestimasikan jadi 5,15%

2. Menurut Based on 30-day Eurodollar futures traded
on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange diestimasikan jadi
5,14%

Kira2 bisa ga FED cuma turun 10 basis point??





   

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[obrolan-bandar] Emas naik =inflasi naik, Nikkei jeblok karena angin topan?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Emas naik berarti inflasi naik, so beli segera emas
karena bila FED nurunin atau tetap maka harga emas
akan naik. 

beli emas bisa di www.e-gold.com 

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[obrolan-bandar] What a taf market

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Saya coba2 cari data ketika tahun 1998-1999, pada
dasarnya pasar belum masuk resesi. Malah pada akhir
tahun naik. Ayo belanja lagi 


DOW FED
Jan-98  7906.50 5.50
Feb-98  8545.72 5.50
Mar-98  8799.81 5.50
Apr-98  9063.37 5.50
May-98  8899.95 5.50
Jun-98  8952.02 5.50
Jul-98  8883.29 5.50
Aug-98  7539.07 5.50
Sep-98  7842.62 5.25
Oct-98  8592.10 5.00
Nov-98  9116.55 4.75
Dec-98  9181.43 4.75
Jan-99  9358.83 4.75
Feb-99  9306.58 4.75
Mar-99  9786.16 4.75
Apr-99  10789.044.75
May-99  10559.744.75
Jun-99  10970.805.00
Jul-99  10655.155.00
Aug-99  10829.285.25
Sep-99  10336.955.25
Oct-99  10729.865.25
Nov-99  10877.815.50
Dec-99  11497.125.50



   

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[obrolan-bandar] What a taf market

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

market at 1998-1999, actually only had a small
correction. No recession at all at that time, at the
end year closed higher, but not for JSX as political
and economic factors? 


DOW FED JSX
Jan-98  7906.50 5.50485.94
Feb-98  8545.72 5.50482.38
Mar-98  8799.81 5.50541.42
Apr-98  9063.37 5.50460.14
May-98  8899.95 5.50420.46
Jun-98  8952.02 5.50445.92
Jul-98  8883.29 5.50481.72
Aug-98  7539.07 5.50342.44
Sep-98  7842.62 5.25276.15
Oct-98  8592.10 5.00300.77
Nov-98  9116.55 4.75386.27
Dec-98  9181.43 4.75398.04
Jan-99  9358.83 4.75411.93
Feb-99  9306.58 4.75396.09
Mar-99  9786.16 4.75393.62
Apr-99  10789.044.75495.22
May-99  10559.744.75585.24
Jun-99  10970.805.00662.03
Jul-99  10655.155.00597.87
Aug-99  10829.285.25567.03
Sep-99  10336.955.25547.94
Oct-99  10729.865.25593.87
Nov-99  10877.815.50583.80
Dec-99  11497.125.50676.92



  

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[obrolan-bandar] Shanghai jeblok , ada apa ya?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Shanghai jeblok , ada apa ya?



   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Watch China Index

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

China udah naik lagi, mereka akan benar2 jebol ketika
laporan emitennya jelek, so far mereka didukung
laporan emiten yg ok 

--- Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Dow sudah tidak ada momentum yg terlalu
> mengkawatirkan"...maksud 
> pak Jack, badai sudah hampir berlalu? 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jack Cowok
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Perhatikan index China.
> >   Trading tetap hati-hati.
> >
> >   Dow sudah tidak ada momentum yg terlalu
> mengkawatirkan.
> >
> >   Salam
> >   JACK
> > 
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[obrolan-bandar] Scenario dekadean

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Resesi di USA kalau melihat tahun 2000-an, hampir2
sama.

tahun 1998-1999, terjadi penurunan FED yg kemudian
naik. Setelah terjadi resesi dilakukan penurunan FED
rate, indeks Dow Jones mulai turun bulan Des 1999
hingga mar 2003. 

tahun ini USA mungkin bisa selamat tapi tahun depan
bisa super gaswat apalagi BI rate kita udah kecil dan
harga emas naik, minyak juga ga mau turun2. 

tapi tenang kurs ASEAN relatif kuat, ini bisa dilihat
dari cadangan devisa yg gede bgt, dimulai dari
singapore, malaysia, thailand, .. tapi paling kecil
indonesia ... 

ditambah Cina udah mulai olimpiade agustus 2008,
biasanya mereka beralih gambling di olimpiade dari
bursa saham yg overheating.  


   

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[obrolan-bandar] konspirasi?? minyak bumi akan turun -->60 , emas akan turun juga, Fed masih punya ruang untuk turun

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

saya melihat kenaikan minyak bumi hanya sementara, ini
disebabkan oleh kebakaran di Meksiko. Kenaikan kuota
OPEC akan secara bertahap langsung dapat menurunkan
harga minyak yang sempat tinggi. 

Harga emas juga akan memasuki tren turun, menunjukkan
inflasi yg moderate dan FED masih punya ruang untuk
turun walau terbatas

yang aneh ini, harga COAL akan menjulang tapi kok
malah saham BUMI malah turun   tanya kenapa


Indonesian Coal Mining Shares Surge as China Exports
Decline 

By Michele Batchelor

 Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Coal producers in Indonesia
and Thailand are booming, and so are their shares, as
larger competitors in China turn from exporting to
supplying the domestic market. 

China became a net importer of coal for the first time
this year. Japan and South Korea also are turning to
Jakarta-based PT Bumi Resources and Thailand's Banpu
Pcl, both with mines in Indonesia, the biggest source
of power-station coal. 

``Coal is a very new sector and that's because of the
structural change in China,'' said Badung Tariono, who
manages the $647 million ABN Amro Energy Fund in
Amsterdam and holds Bumi shares. ``If you believe in
the China story and demand for energy will grow in
line with the economy, it's a no-brainer.'' 

While Bumi shares have more than tripled in value this
year, investors say there is plenty of room for
further gains because they are still cheap. Bumi,
Asia's third-largest coal producer by sales, and rival
Banpu, Thailand's biggest coal miner, are valued at
less than half the industry average. 

Analysts at UBS AG estimate the shift in the Chinese
coal industry has resulted in a loss of 25 million
metric tons from the Asian market outside the country.
That's left Asian consumers short of 11 million tons,
the Swiss bank estimates. 

``China's move towards net import status has occurred
much faster than expected,'' said Daniel Brebner, a
London-based commodity analyst at UBS. ``Chinese
exports, which have been declining, are unlikely to
reverse over the next 12 months.'' 

Taking Orders 

Bumi, whose stock has soared 219 percent this year to
2,875 rupiah, has requests from Chinese buyers for 4
million tons for 2008, an increase of 83 percent from
2007 orders, Peter Ball, vice president of marketing,
said on Aug. 14. It supplied 1 million tons of coal to
China in 2006. 

Banpu, which is up 65 percent this year to 300 baht,
is planning an initial public offering for its
Indonesian unit to raise funds to expand. Based in
Bangkok, it has Chinese orders for 6 million tons for
2008, more than twice what it can supply, said Philip
Gasteen, head of marketing and logistics Aug. 14. 

Those contracts aren't yet reflected in the companies'
share prices, investors argue. 

Bumi is valued at 12 times this year's estimated
earnings, while Banpu trades at a multiple of 14 times
earnings. Singapore- listed Straits Asia Resources
Ltd., which plans to spend as much as $400 million
buying mines to double production in Indonesia, is
trading at a ratio of 17 after doubling in value this
year. The shares are at S$1.35. 

`Bullish' 

They compare with the 30 times average current year
estimated earnings for 131 coal producers worldwide,
according to data compiled by Bloomberg. 

The stocks ``have been looking bullish with China
aggressively on the rise,'' said Nimeesha Takalkar, an
analyst at Bank Julius Baer & Co., which manages $350
billion worldwide. There's a ``supply-side constraint,
which has automatically made the Indonesian coal more
attractive,'' Takalkar said. 

Thermal coal used for power generation accounted for
87 percent of world coal usage in 2006. Coking coal,
used in steel production, made up the rest, according
to the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource
Economics. 

Thermal coal is the fastest-growing energy source as
rising oil prices prompt users to switch fuels, the
U.S. Energy Information Administration said. Coal's
share of total world energy may climb to 28 percent in
2030, from 26 percent in 2004, the agency said in a
May 22 report. 

Indonesia, Asia's third-largest coal producer, may
increase output by 34 percent within three years as
Chinese exports drop, Credit Suisse Group said in
August. 

Following China 

One risk is that Indonesia, whose population of about
235 million is roughly equal to Germany, France, the
U.K. and Spain combined, might follow China and cut
shipments as new power generators increase domestic
demand. 

The government plans to add 20,000 megawatts of
generating capacity, fired by coal, by 2010. That will
add as much as 70 million tons to domestic demand
annually, according to Indonesia's national coal
association. Indonesian utilities consumed 45 million
tons of coal last year. 

``Indonesia could add 15 million tons of coal to the
Asian market this year,'' said UBS analyst Brebner.
``However, it pales in comparison to the 45 million
tons or so added in 2006.'' 

Demand is demand, whether it comes from China,
Indonesia or other Asian markets, ac

[obrolan-bandar] REBOUND !!!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] REBOUND !!!! -retail US akan naik jumat ini

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

:)

retail US yang akan dikeluarkan jumat ini sptnya akan
naik seiring dengan kenaikan penjualan Wal Mart bulan
Agustus.

Jadi besok IHSG sptnya akan ijo sampai selasa, kalau
FED tetap ya mungkin turun dulu kali ya. 

dan siap2 nunggu data inflasi indonesia yang akan naik
tinggi awal oktober ini. 
 

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[obrolan-bandar] 4,75 (60%) 5,00 (40%) 5,25 (0%)

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

karena retail naik tidak sesuai espektasi maka
kemungkinan turun FED RATE jadi besar, berikut
kemungkinan turun (sumber bloomberg tv)

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[obrolan-bandar] Forget the FOMC, Watch Major Broker Earnings (BSC, LEH, BSC, GS, AGE)

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

AWAS ada jebakan :)


Lehman Brothers (NYSE:LEH) reports on Tuesday (9/18)
and estimates are $1.47 EPS & Revenues of $4.3
Billion.  Estimates were a dime higher just last week
and were $1.81 EPS 60 to 90 days ago. 

Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS) reports on Wednesday.  Morgan
Stanley is expected to post $1.53 EPS & $8.3 Billion
in revenues.  Estimates were $1.60 last week and were
over $1.82 90-days ago.

On Thursday (9/20) we get the dual reports from Bear
Stearns (NYSE:BSC) and from Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS). 
Bear Stearns (NYSE:BSC) is expected to post $1.78 EPS
on $1.65 Billion in revenues.  Just a week ago,
estimates were over $2.00, and were over $3.00 60 to
90 days ago.  Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS) is expected to
post $4.35 EPS & $9.55 Billion in revenues.  Goldman
Sachs has seen the least amount of estimate changes of
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Re: Fwd: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar Saham Di Indonesia SANGAT PINTAR !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

nyebut pak nyebut ... bulan puasa nih ...

--- exindo_trade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hehehe kalem pak. bapak pernah kecantol gara-gra
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> 
> 
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> >
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> PERNYATAN  MICHEL ANGELO DAN KAWAN2 NYA .   META
> STOCK SENDIRIPUN 
> TIDAK BISA MENJAMIN BAHWA BANDAR TIDAK INVISIBLE !! 
>  HARAP HATI2 
> DENGAN SYSTEM STATISTIK YANG SEPERTI INI !!!  
> JANGAN MAU DIBODOHI 
> OLEH ORANG2 SEPERTI INI !!! SILAHKAN BACA KOMPAS
> HARI INI :  
> ALAN GREENSPAN   BERBICARA JUJUR TENTANG GEORGE BUSH
> .  ITU SEBABNYA 
> BANYAK YANG MENGHARAPKAN GEORGE BUSH CEPAT HANCUR ! 
>  SEBAB GEORGE 
> BUSH SEBAGAI PEMIMPIN POLITIK SUDAH ME MANIPULASI
> MASALAH IRAK UNTUK 
> KEUNTUNGANNYA SENDIRI !KASIHAN SADAM HUSEIN...
> SUDAH JADI KORBAN 
> SEWENANG2 POLITIK KOTOR GEORGE BUSH.   SEBENARNYA
> GEORGE BUSH 
> MEMBOHONGI MASYARAKAT DUNIA UNTUK MENGAMBIL MINYAK
> IRAK ! 
> >  SEPERTI INILAH MICHEL ANGELO MAU ME MANIPULASI
> SYSTEM STATISTIK 
> UNTUK KEPENTINGAN DIRI SENDIRI !!!
> >
> >   BANDAR SANGAT PINTAR !!!  BANDAR SANGAT SMART
> !!!   BANDAR 
> MEMANFAATKAN SEMUA DATA2 APAPUN UNTUK MENGGORENG
> VOLUME DAN HARGA !  
> TERMASUK SYSTEM META STOCK !ITU SEBABNYA BANYAK
> INVESTOR YANG 
> NYANGKUT KARENA SYSTEM META STOCK  JANGAN
> TERLALU BANGGA 
> DENGAN SYSTEM META STOCK !!!  APA BILA UNTUNG KARENA
> META STOCK ITU 
> ADALAH KEBETULAN !!!SEKALI LAGI...ITU ADALAH
> KEBETULAN...!!!
> INGAT META STOCK BUKAN BANDAR SEBENARNYA DAN JUGA
> BUKAN TUHAN !!!
> JANGAN MENDEWA2 KAN META STOCK BAHWA META STOCK BISA
> MEMBACA 
> BANDAR !!!   ITU ADALAH KEBETULAN !!!
> >
> >   KEPADA INVESTOR YANG SUDAH MEMBELI META STOCK
> SEBAIKNYA 
> MENGEMBALIKKANNYA [ KALAU BISA, KALAU TIDAK BISA
> YA.. SUDAH ]  BAGI 
> YANG BELUM BELI HARAP JANGAN BELI !!!JANGAN MAU
> DIBODOHI KROCO2 
> YANG CUMA NYARI DUIT  DARI SEMINAR2 META STOCK DAN
> PRODUK2 META 
> STOCK !!!   BIAR BAGAIMANAPUN  BANDAR  SANGAT PINTAR
> !!!
> >   TETAP HATI2 DAN WASPADA  DAN MENGETAHUI KARAKTER
> SI EMITEN /  SI 
> BANDAR DALAM MENGORENG SAHAM ITU ADALAH JAUH LEBIH
> BERHARGA !!!  
> SEKIAN DAN TERIMA KASIH.
> >
> >
> >
> >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: Angelo Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:30:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar Saham Di
> Indonesia INVINCIBLE dan 
> INVISIBLE
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Bursa lain agak kelenger, bursa kita langsung
> bangkit dan nanjak 
> terus.
> >   Tetapi, untuk pastinya tunggu penutupan hari
> ini.
> >
> >   Dan...meskipun mereka INVINCIBLE, Bandar
> Detector membuat mereka 
> tidak INVISIBLE.
> >
> >   Best regards,
> >   Angelo Michel
> >  
> > MetaStock(c) Let You Know When to Trade and What
> to Trade   
> > 
> >   
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
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Re: Hal: Fwd: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar Saham Di Indonesia SANGAT PINTAR !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

sip dah, 
--- jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Thanks atas LINKnya, embah mau pelajari...
> 
> Seperti Embah bilang, Pak Angelo ini BUKAN ORANG
> SEMBARANGAN, 
> dia akan MUNCUL 
> 
> Nah apakah yang protest AKAN MUNCUL LAGI ? Ini
> URUSAN belakangan...
> 
> HARI INI kita pesta DULU...DJ +335... hehehe
> Kemaren embah
> udah KASIH 'PENGARAHAN' ini:
> 
> > Note:
> > - PERHATIIN MONITOR !!!, entar malem pengumuman
> FED, saat ini
> > IHSG +7
> 
> Pengarahan ini embah berikan, karena embah MERASA
> serangan
> terhadap pak Angelo adalah USAHA MENGALIHKAN
> PERHATIAN trader
> dari MARKET yang mau NGEJOZZ... maaf kalo embah
> salah 
> 
> Biasanya kalo market mau NGEJOZZ GEDE, milis
> mengalami 
> gangguan (TANDA ALAM):
> - Milis dikirimi virus (ini sudah lama tidak
> dilakukan) karena
>   mafianya mulai mengikuti Hukum perang bursa
> menurut Konvensi Genewa.
> - Milis dibom dengan menggunakan account yang TIDAK
> TERDAFTAR supaya
>   milisnya MACET atau TERBATUK-BATUK.
> - Jaringan internet dibikin MACET dan infrastruktur
> bursa diganggu.
> - Ini emah sedikit rada GR, yaitu gannguan terhadap
> PC dan koneksi
>   internet embah pribadi, jadi tidak semua
> mengalami. Tapi
>   biasanya embah akan berusaha memberikan signal
> kemilis bahwa
>   ada 'SESUATU' 
> - Milis dikirimi posting dengan topik yang membuat
> KITA HILANG
>   KONSENTRASI. 
> 
> Makanya ketika kemarin pak Angelo diserang embah
> BURU-BURU
> nulis:
>  
> > - PERHATIIN MONITOR !!!, entar malem pengumuman
> FED, saat ini
> > IHSG +7
> 
> Note:
> - Buat pak Waluyo, MAAF 1000x kalo embah salah
> 
> ...
> 
> embah, bandarmologist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Angelo Michel
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Embah,
> > 
> > Memang benar apa kata pepatah : "Tak Kenal Maka
> Tak Sayang."
> > Pada link di bawah ini, Embah bisa mendapatkan
> Dasar Teori Ilmiah 
> dari indikator Bandar Detector:
> > http://mstrial.bumianyar.com 
> > Tinggal lihat ke bagian Bandar Detector -
> MetaStock(c) Add on, lalu 
> klik pada kata "disini" untuk mendownload penjelasan
> filosofi dari 
> Bandar Detector. Silahkan Embah dan rekan-rekan lain
> berkenalan 
> dengan indikator ini.
> > 
> > Bandar Detector tentu bukan indikator yang
> sempurna. Tetapi, dengan 
> dasar filosofi yang logis dan cemerlang serta
> perhitungan yang 
> seksama, tingkat kesalahan bisa ditekan sedemikian
> rupa sehingga 
> sangat layak untuk digunakan dalam trading.
> > 
> > O ya, metode Bandar Detector bukanlah ciptaan
> saya. Itu sebabnya 
> dalam buku manual seminar Bandar Detector tercantum
> "dijelaskan oleh 
> Angelo Michel" bukan "dikembangkan oleh Angelo
> Michel."
> > 
> > Mudah-mudahan bermanfaat buat Embah dan
> rekan-rekan lain. 
> > 
> > Semoga sukses selalu.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Angelo Michel
> >  
> > MetaStock(c) Let You Know When to Trade and What
> to Trade
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:29:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hal: Fwd: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar
> Saham Di Indonesia 
> SANGAT PINTAR !!!
> > 
> > Tenang AJA, pak Angelo pasti akan MUNCUL
> > 
> > Embah juga pengen tau DASAR TEORI ILMIAH dari
> Metoda
> > Bandar Detector ciptaan pak Angelo...
> > 
> > Pak Angelo kan pasti bukan orang sembarangan. ..
> > 
> > Note:
> > - PERHATIIN MONITOR !!!, entar malem pengumuman
> FED, saat ini
> > IHSG +7
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Richard
> Ropongi 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > hehehe...yg laen gmana ? Pak JA, Bung DE, Embah,
> any comment? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Pesan Asli 
> > > Dari: sembada waluyo 
> > > Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Terkirim: Selasa, 18 September, 2007 1:58:32
> > > Topik: Fwd: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar Saham Di
> Indonesia SANGAT 
> > PINTAR !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > saya tidak setuju dengan pendapat michel angelo.
> bahwa bandar 
> > detector membuat bandar TIDAK invisible. INI
> BOHONG BESAR... !!! 
> > INI ADALAH PENYESATAN.. . !!! INI MENYESATKAN
> INVESTOR KECIL SUPAYA 
> > BELI META STOCK ! BAHWA SEBENARNYA BANDAR TETAP
> INVISIBLE !!! 
> > BANDAR BISA MENGGORENG VOLUME DAN HARGA !!! ADALAH
> TIDAK ETIS 
> > MENJUAL PRODUK STATISTIK VOLUME DAN HARGA, DAN
> MENGATAKAN ITU BISA 
> > MEMBACA BANDAR ! INI JELAS2 PENYESATAN UNTUK
> KEUNTUNGAN PIHAK 
> > MICHEL ANGELO DAN KAWAN2 NYA !!! MOHON JANGAN
> DIPERCAYA !!! DAN 
> > JANGAN MEMBELI PRODUK MICHEL ANGELO DAN KAWAN2 NYA
> !!! MICHEL 
> > ANGELO DAN KAWAN2 NYA JANGAN MEMANFAATKAN SITUASI
> SEPERTI INI UNTUK 
> > MENARIK KEUNTUNGAN DIRI SENDIRI !!! ADALAH TIDAK
> PANTAS DAN TIDAK 
> > PATUT MENGATAKAN BANDAR DETECTOR BISA MEMBACA
> BANDAR ! BANDAR BISA 
> > MEMAKAI PULUHAN2 SEKURITAS DAN RATUSAN RIBU-JUTAAN
> LOT DAN MACAM2 
> > HARGA UNTUK MENGGORENG SAHAM !!! APALAGI CUMA
> SYSTEM STATISTIK 
> > VOLUME DAN HARGA ITU SANGAT GAMPANG DI
> > > MANIPULAS

[obrolan-bandar] IPO WIKA

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

ada yg tahu ttg IPO WIKA, kapan listing? dan kalau ada
risetnya dan prospeknya, dan underwriternya? tq




  

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[obrolan-bandar] IHSG 2400 today? tanya total nilai IPO

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Bisa jadi nih IHSG 2400 hari ini ...

Kemarin DEWA total IPO berapa ya, 
kalau Bank Capital, PG, dan WIKA berapa total nilai
IPOnya ya?

tq


  

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] DON'T EAT METAL= VOMIT METAL?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

iye pak, kita lagi puasa nih :)

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[obrolan-bandar] 1 Oktober 07, inflasi dan kenaikan BBM

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

1 Oktober akan ada:

1. Pengumuman inflasi, udah banyak yg ramal tinggi,
thats' ok
2. Pertamina naikin BBM industri, ini yg heboh.
Diperkirakan akan naik 5%.

Kalau inflasi tinggi maka BI akan tetep 8,25%. Padahal
harga obligasi sudah price in di 8%. Skenario yang
mungkin terjadi:

1. Penjualan obligasi sehingga turun harganya,
termasuk saham karena akan jadi beban bagi company
yang pakai BBM banyak.
2. Market fluktuatif sementara dan ketolong ama IPO
Bank Capital dan Perdana, tapi total IPO nya kecil,
sptnya ga mungkin narik.




  

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Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Analisa PAPAN CATUR bandarmologi

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Nikkei tiba2 jeblok ... ada apa ya?

--- David Hartanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pengumunan data inflasinya jam 13 an, mbah. Kabarnya
> inflasi akan lebih tinggi dari Agustus jadi 0,8%an.
> Regards,
> David Hartanto
> 
> jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:   --- In
> obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Sutikno Tikno
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  wrote:
>  >
>  Posisi papan catur bandarmologi Senin jam 10:25:
>   
>  IHSG -19  +29,7 (net +10) 
>  
>  ISAT +6.9 +6,5% (net 13,4) aksi MERCUSUAR
>  PGAS +3.9 +3,3% (net 7,2%)
>  
>  BBRI -4.3 +3,8 (net -0,5) gerak TIPU
>  BBCA -3.9 +2,4 (net -1,5)
>   
>  INCO -3.5 +0,6% (net -2,9) harga nickel jatuh
>  
>  INTP -3.2 +1,6 (net -1,6) harga BBM industri naik
>  SMCB -3.4 +1,7 (net -1,7)
>  SMGR -3.6 +1,8 (net -1,8)
>   
>  GGRM -3.0 +2,1 (net -1) Pengatur/Tuning ihsg
>  UNVR -3.5 +1,7 (-1,8)
>  
>  SERANGAN SUSPRISE bisa bikin IHSG naik +29 tapi
>  secara NET: serangan SURPRISE hasilnya SIKIT
> kecuali
>  AKSI MERCU SUAR !!!
>  
>  Kita tunggu pengumuman inflasi, jam berapa yah ?
>  
>  Kita SAKSIKAN lagi AKSI para jendral, mudah mudahan
> embah
>  bisa mengajarkan ilmu untuk jadi GRANDMASTER papan
> catur
>  bursa
>  
>  
>  
>
> 
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[obrolan-bandar] Udah inflasi gede, Eropa jeblok, besok?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Kalau gini BI bakal tetap  8,25%, so saham turun dulu? 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Turun ke 2350?? Repotnya kalau TLKM dinaikin, kalau turun terasa banget

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Turun ke 2350?? Repotnya kalau TLKM dinaikin, kalau
turun terasa banget 

Saya inget banget kata temen saya kalau TLKM udah naik
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Punten Pak Eka abdi bade naros

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

he he emang mental investor harus kuat nih, 

kalau trader loncat2 sana-sini bisa juga ngalahin
return investor.. :P


--- EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Betul sekali pak ARIS! Saya lihat portofolio saya
> awal2 masuk TBLA di harga 280 , cuma 7 lot, trus
> avarage up sampe 410 total baru ada 370 lot. Itupun
> masih kurang kenyang. Pelor hasil jualan INCO masih
> banyak. 
> 
> Lahan 37000ha kosong ditanami sesudah 5 tahun BV
> naik
> signifikan. Saya nggak bisa hitung valuasinya (terus
> ternag karena ngehitung aset kebun lebih susah).
> Cuma
> sebagai orang bodoh, saya tahu kalo beli kebon yg
> udah
> berbuah pasti lebih mahal daripada kebon yg masih
> muda.
> 
> So kedepan BV makin meningkat. Accumulate saja, saya
> juga lagi cari posisi nambah yg enak!
> 
> Cuma dimana2 kelemahan saham2 perkebunan Naik
> seminggu, flatnya bisa setahun. So mentalnya harus
> investor sejati.
> 
> Ingat dulu AALI di 3000-an lama sekali!
> 
> Kalo ANTM walau masih optimis hidup kayak yoyo, naik
> turun ikuti harga metalnya.
> 
> 
> --- aris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ikut urun pendapat nih. Kalau menurut saya potensi
> > growth yang lebih bagus
> > adalah TBLA, karena ada growth dari bisnisnya itu
> > sendiri. Kalau ANTM lebih
> > banyak dipengaruhi harga komoditi nikel,
> produksinya
> > sendiri nambahnya gak
> > banyak. Kalau mau nambah produksi, investasinya
> juga
> > gede banget.
> > 
> > Selain itu agribisnis kayak TBLA adalah renewable,
> > dan gak ada matinya.
> > Tetapi kalau ANTM adalah industri ekstraksi
> mineral,
> > jadi lama kelamaan
> > cadangannya akan habis juga. Tapi ini sih dilihat
> > longterm banget ya.
> > 
> > Just my 2 cents.
> > 
> > Salam -
> > 
> > 
> > 2007/5/24, Asep Buhori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >   Pak eka kalo kita mau invest ke saham yang
> > potensi
> > > pertumbuhannya masih tinggi sebaiknya pilih
> saham
> > ANTM
> > > atau TBLA atu yang lainnya?
> > >
> > > btw cara melakukan valuasi saham komoditi yang
> > paling
> > > gampang pake apa ya soalnya prediksinya pak eka
> ok
> > > punya?
> > >
> > > Hatur Nuhun
> > >
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[obrolan-bandar] Fed Faces Pressure to Raise Rates, Options Show (Update2)

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Fed Faces Pressure to Raise Rates, Options Show
(Update2) 

By Daniel Kruger

June 4 (Bloomberg) -- In the options market where the
savviest investors take apart conventional wisdom, the
Federal Reserve is facing growing pressure to consider
raising interest rates as soon as December. 

Options on Federal Fund futures at the Chicago Board
of Trade indicate a 41 percent chance the central bank
will lift its target rate for overnight loans between
banks to 5.5 percent from the current 5.25 percent,
according to data compiled by Bloomberg. A month ago,
they showed no expectations for an increase. 

While the economy expanded at the slowest pace in more
than four years in the first quarter, inflation
remains at the top of the Fed's comfort zone, business
activity has rebounded, the jobless rate is near the
lowest in six years and stock indexes are setting
record highs. Just three months ago, options traders
speculated the weakest housing market in 16 years
would force the central bank to cut interest rates to
4.5 percent by January. 

``The economy is in better shape than people give it
credit for,'' said Jamie Jackson, who oversees
government debt trading at RiverSource Investments in
Minneapolis, which manages $100 billion of bonds.
``People exaggerated the pass-through effects of the
housing weakness. If the Fed were to do something by
year- end it would be a tightening.'' 

The chance of at least one cut in the overnight
lending rate between banks has fallen to 29 percent
from 83 percent since the start of May, options prices
show. 

`Not Satisfied' 

Federal Reserve policy makers ``have started to tell
us in pretty consistent language they're not satisfied
at being at the upper band'' of their inflation
target, said Stan Jonas, who trades interest-rate
options in New York at Axiom Management Partners LLC.
``One-third of the people think the next move is going
to be a tightening.'' 

Options more accurately reflect changes in monetary
policy than futures contracts, the most widely used
barometer, because they include the widest array of
wagers, according studies by the Federal Reserve Bank
of Cleveland in 2005 and the Federal Reserve Bank of
St. Louis in 2006. 

The Cleveland Fed paper has influenced the study of
monetary policy expectations and follows a ``perfectly
sound procedure,'' said James Hamilton, an economics
professor at the University of California, San Diego. 

The CBOT first listed the options in 2003 and began
offering contracts in July that allow bets on the
Fed's target rate. The so-called binary options pay
$1,000 if an investor bets correctly on the Fed's
interest-rate decision at regularly scheduled
meetings. Investors get nothing if they bet wrong. 

Preferred Measure 

Treasury yields climbed last week to the highest since
August. The yield on the benchmark Treasury note due
in May 2017 rose 9 basis points, or 0.09 percentage
point, to 4.95 percent. The yield fell 2 basis points
today to 4.93 percent. 

Treasuries returned 1.1 percent so far this year,
compared with a 1.5 percent loss last year, according
to indexes compiled by Merrill Lynch & Co. 

Personal spending on items excluding food and energy,
the Fed's preferred inflation measure, rose 2 percent
in April, at the top of the central bank's preferred 1
percent to 2 percent range. It had been above 2
percent the previous 12 months. 

Central bankers reiterated their forecast for faster
growth and said ``downside risks'' to the economy have
``diminished slightly,'' according to minutes of the
May 9 Federal Open Market Committee meeting released
last week. 

``Economic growth will pick up as we move through the
year,'' Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner said
at a June 1 conference in Athens. ``The risks to the
inflation outlook are primarily to the upside.'' 

Merrill, Goldman, UBS 

UBS AG and Merrill Lynch, among the biggest bond bulls
this year, changed their forecasts for Fed cuts. UBS,
based in Zurich, on June 1 pushed back expectations
for when the Fed will begin cutting rates to October
from August. Merrill, based in New York, said today it
now expects the central bank to remain on hold this
year after predicting as many four rate reductions. 

New home sales rose 16 percent in April to an
annualized rate of 981,000, according a Commerce
Department report released May 24. Analysts attributed
the increase to developers reducing prices of unsold
houses. The average selling price dropped 10 percent,
the report said. 

Gains in stocks that pushed the Standard & Poor's 500
index to a record 1535.56 on May 30 discouraged the
Fed from cutting rates, said David Rosenberg, chief
economist for Merrill in New York. Rosenberg predicted
at the beginning of January that rates would fall to
4.25 percent this year. 

`Bat an Eyelash' 

``We came off of virtual stagnation in the first
quarter and the Fed didn't bat an eyelash,'' Rosenberg
said. 

Economists at Barclays Capital Inc., JPMorgan Chase
Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. have been

[obrolan-bandar] TMPI ha ha ha

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

--- hadizhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sungguh tidak diduga, TMPI ternyata akan memakan
> begitu banyak korban. 
> TMPI akan mengawali market crash. Saham lain
> gemetaran melihat TMPI AR 
> ke bawah. Hope many of you have jumped out of the
> titanic. Sangat 
> tidak logis saham seperti TMPI tanpa didukung
> fundamental bisa 
> menduduki ranking pertama top value untuk beberapa
> hari terakhir 
> dengan nilai trading di atas 1 T. Fantastic
> sekaligus irony (when it's 
> dumped like that). Considering PGAS yang AR ke bawah
> beberapa waktu 
> yang lalu, masih adakah peluang di TMPI? Any idea?
> 
> Save trading always. Take care. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "cuan Trader"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > semua turun, yg lebih gila TMPI auto reject??
> gimana nih prediksi 
> besok??
> > apakah little bear or big bear will come>>>???
> >
> 
> 
> 



  

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[obrolan-bandar] SELAMAT DATANG BEARISH !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Selamat datang bearish !!!

setelah naik cukup pesat dan siknifikan, saya pikir2
bulan ke depan akan bearish...

Dasar: MACD BEJ yg turun, pelemahan Yen, minyak bumi
naik, inflasi di US, naiknya yiled 10 year bond, 

TELKOM kok jeblok ya di US ada apa, atau mereka udah
siap2 cabut dulu ...

Nanti malam bakal ada pengumuman CPI di Amerika,
tebak2an yuk 

menurut saya akan naik karena prducer price index juga
 lebih tinggi dari perkiraan

. 




   

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[obrolan-bandar] TIPU2 BANDAR

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Walaupun indeks naik, tapi sptnya cuma rekayasa, mm
ini bisa dilihat dari kenaikan yg tajam di akhir
penutupan. Perhatikan juga penguatan dan pelemahan
rupiah ...

TLKM kok turun lagi ya? 

Masa ephoria nikel sudah berakhir, semalam jeblok
sampai 7% lebih. 




   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] TIPU2 BANDAR

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

ANDA pegang INCO ya ???

--- laksono dwighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> mohon dengan hormat...kalau gak ngerti apa2 diem aja
> pak
>   kalau anda dah jadi peserta di bej...index
> adjustment selalu terjadi di setiap penutupan
> akhir...
>   kecuali memang anda pemain baru sekalitolong
> dipeljari aja pak...jangan disocurage other...
>   maaf ya...
> 
> "Siswantoro, Dodik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Walaupun indeks naik, tapi sptnya cuma
> rekayasa, mm
> ini bisa dilihat dari kenaikan yg tajam di akhir
> penutupan. Perhatikan juga penguatan dan pelemahan
> rupiah ...
> 
> TLKM kok turun lagi ya? 
> 
> Masa ephoria nikel sudah berakhir, semalam jeblok
> sampai 7% lebih. 
> 
>
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[obrolan-bandar] Index above 2400 in 2007 is very possible

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Reasons:

1. Yuan appreciation
2. Decreasing global rate
3. Excess liquidity
4. Election issues


   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: THE ONLY GREEN - BRAVE BANDAR

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

oleh karena itu TLKM diturunin dulu, right?

--- jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Bikin IHSG naik 10 point buat bandar sih GAMPANG:
> - Toel toel TLKM keatas, 
> - Bikin saham yg udah JEBLOK Tbone sikit
> - Goreng saham yg engga likwid.
> 
> Buat para pengelola RUMAH JUDI, yang paling SULIT
> ialah 
> MEMBUAT ORANG TETAP MAIN. Kalo engga ada yg maen
> baru BOZZ pusing 7 keliling
> 
> Tapi BEJ bukan tempat judi LOH... hehehe
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn
> Garibaldi" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 10:12
> > 
> > Eta mah biasa. Sebaliknya juga bisa terjadi. Semua
> biru, kita 
> sendiri yang
> > merah.
> > Yang penting CPRO naik...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2007/6/26, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >The ONLY GREEN ... CLAP your HANDS ... 3000
> soon
> > >
> > >
> > >   Symbol Name Last Trade Change Related Info  
> ^AORD All
> > > Ordinaries *6,348.20* 10:38PM ET [image: Down]
> *10.40* *(0.16%)*
> > > Components
> , 
> Chart,
> > > More  
> ^SSEC Shanghai
> > > Composite *3,851.46* 10:00PM ET [image: Down]
> *89.62* *(2.27%)* 
> Chart,
> > > More  
> ^HSI Hang
> > > Seng *21,822.35* 5:59AM ET *0.00* *(0.00%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart , 
> More
> > > ^BSESN 
> BSE 30 *14,487.72* 
> 6:28AM
> > > ET *0.00* *(0.00%)* Chart
>  5EBSESN>,
> More
> > > ^JKSE 
> Jakarta Composite 
> *2,154.97* 10:38PM
> > > ET [image: Up] *2.77* *(0.13%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart ,
> 
> More
> > > ^KLSE 
> KLSE Composite 
> *1,377.13* 5:02AM
> > > ET [image: Down] *14.44* *(1.04%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart ,
> 
> More
> > > ^N225 
> Nikkei 225 
> *18,031.03* 10:00PM
> > > ET [image: Down] *56.45* *(0.31%)* 
> Chart,
> > > More  
> ^NZ50 NZSE
> > > 50 *4,263.04* 10:37PM ET [image: Down] *7.87*
> *(0.18%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart ,
> 
> More
> > > ^STI 
> Straits Times 
> *3,555.82* 10:38PM
> > > ET [image: Down] *24.51* *(0.68%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart , 
> More
> > > ^KS11 
> Seoul Composite 
> *1,752.83* 10:38PM
> > > ET [image: Down] *4.90* *(0.28%)* 
> Components,
> > > Chart ,
> 
> More
> > > ^TWII 
> Taiwan Weighted 
> *8,913.77* 10:38PM
> > > ET [image: Down] *25.42* *(0.28%)* 
> Chart,
> > > More 
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 



  
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[obrolan-bandar] SAVE YOUR LIVE !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

bandarnya mau nurunin dulu nih sptnya, reasons:

1. FED belum jelas kapan turun
2. IPO BUMN ga jelas
3. Harga tambang dan CPO pada turun
4. Emang udah saatnya turun kali 
5. Tolong ditambahin  ...

tq


   

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Panic selling? Not likely.

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Inflasi naik, obligasi jeblok, so FED harus naikin
bunga ..

--- Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Suku bunga naik -> KPR menurun -> harga property
> drop -> Kebutuhan bahan
> baku menurun - > Komoditi turun - > Harga sahamnya
> turun.
> 
>  
> 
> Maksudnya begitu pak?
> 
>  
> 
> BERARTI kalau Fed gak jadi naik, pasti rebound.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DE
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Eka Suwandana
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:03 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Panic selling? Not
> likely.
> 
>  
> 
> Ancaman resesi. Housing market prices drop! Kalo
> udah gini commodities stock
> macam BHP, EXXON, turun. Imbasnya ke nikel, oil,
> copper, dsb. So sahamnya
> turun. 
> 
> Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Apakah di bursa terjadi panic selling? Kalau dilihat
> dari volume belum bisa
> dibilang crash. Beda dengan kasus crash gara-gara
> redemption reksadana
> besar-besaran waktu itu, hingga akhirnya fund
> manager juga melego
> portfolionya.
> 
> MUNGKIN besok rebound. Lagian ada isu negatif apa
> sih? Rasanya nggak ada.
> The FED kah? Naik pun suku bunga kita teteup lebih
> tinggi.
> 
> Aku mau minta pendapat nih sama para suhu : apakah
> koreksi hari ini bisa
> dibilang "sehat"? 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DE
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Febry Hariyannugraha
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:23 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Kacau semua dah
> 
> "Just because the market gave you $1000 in profit in
> 2 minutes, it has
> nothing whatsoever to do with whether the market is
> going to continue in the
> same direction. Nothing whatsoever"
> ... taken from Emotion Free Trading Book  
> 
> On 6/27/07, exindo_trade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> Maaf ya temen temen. Cuman hari ini saya lagi stress
> berat. Jadi lagi 
> kepingin teriak-teriak. Bole ya. Sebelumnya saya
> minta ijin dulu.
>
Arggghhh.
> 
> TOLONG DONG PARA BANDAR. JANGAN DIEM AJA. NAIKIN
> LAGI DONG SAHAM SAYA.
> 
> 



   

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[obrolan-bandar] Rupiah Rp 9114/USD., asing pada jualan, ekonomi US jeblok

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Sepertinya hari ini ok, tapi asing kok pada mabur
banyak ya... next time will be worst...

tinggal nunggu GDP yg juga bakal ancur nih he he :)

Event (Indicator) Time (ET) Period Consensus Est
Actual +/- 
 
 US - Corporate Profits (Q1r , 2007) 8:30 AM Q1r ,
2007   
 
 US - Gross Domestic Product (Q1f , 2007) 8:30 AM Q1f
, 2007   
  Real GDP - Q/Q change - SAAR   0.80% 
  GDP price index - Q/Q change - S  4.00% 
 
 US - Jobless Claims (wk6/23 , 2007) 8:30 AM wk6/23 ,
2007   
  New Claims - Level   319.00K 
 
 US - Help Wanted Index (May , 2007) 10:00 AM May ,
2007   
 
 US - EIA Natual Gas Report (wk6/23 , 2007) 10:30 AM
wk6/23 , 2007   
 
 US - FOMC Meeting Announcement (May , 2007) 2:15 PM
May , 2007   
  Federal Funds Rate - Target Leve  5.25% 
 
 US - Farm Prices (Jun , 2007) 3:00 PM Jun , 2007 
 
 
 US - Money Supply (wk6/18 , 2007) 4:30 PM wk6/18 ,
2007   




   

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[obrolan-bandar] Asing masih pada kabur lagi?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Besok sepertinya masih merah, indeks naik diangkat ama
domestik?

  List of the Most Active Shares Bought by Foreign
Investor 
  
   

Day/Date : Thursday, June 28, 2007


  No STOCK
 Bought by Foreign Investor

  CodeName  Listing Board 
 Listed  Shares   (Shares)   Foreign Sell  Foreign
Buy

   1 KIJAKawasan Industri Jababeka   2
 13,780,872,55134,981,000 43,200,000   
78,181,000
   2 BUMIBumi Resources Tbk  2
 19,404,000,00030,255,000 15,068,000   
45,323,000
   3 BRPTBarito Pacific Timber Tbk   2
  2,617,459,79413,348,000 98,000   
13,446,000
   4 TOTLTotal Bangun Persada Tbk1
  2,750,000,00011,513,000  3,578,500   
15,091,500
   5 INKPIndah Kiat Pulp & Paper Tbk 2
  5,470,982,94110,547,000  0   
10,547,000
   6 ELTYBakrieland Development Tbk  1
 19,600,000,000 9,737,500149,000
9,886,500
   7 BNIIBank International Ind. Tbk 1
 47,826,902,231 8,303,000  3,697,000   
12,000,000
   8 ENRGEnergi Mega Persada Tbk 2
 14,400,813,372 7,019,000  1,981,000
9,000,000
   9 MASAMultistrada Arah Sarana Tbk 2
  6,118,875,000 5,000,000  5,000,000   
10,000,000
  10 INDFIndofood Sukses Makmur Tbk  1
  9,444,189,000 4,569,000  2,410,000
6,979,000
  11 PNBNBank Pan Indonesia Tbk  1
 19,890,238,478 2,878,000  0
2,878,000
  12 MNCNMedia Nusantara Citra Tbk   1
 13,750,000,000 2,641,000500,000
3,141,000
  13 UNTRUnited Tractors Tbk 1
  2,851,609,100 2,192,500  1,597,500
3,790,000
  14 CPROCentral Proteinaprima Tbk   1
 18,315,840,000 2,050,000  0
2,050,000
  15 UNSPBakrie Sumatra Plantations  1
  2,331,000,000 1,779,500521,500
2,301,000
  16 WOMFWahana Ottomitra Multiartha 1
  2,000,000,000 1,288,500  0
1,288,500
  17 SULISumalindo Lestari Jaya Tbk  2
  1,177,308,452 1,122,000  5,922,500
7,044,500
  18 BCICBank Century Tbk2
 22,453,318,619 1,000,000  0
1,000,000
  19 GJTLGajah Tunggal Tbk   1
  3,168,000,000   953,000  0  
953,000
  20 BKSLSentul City Tbk 2
  9,509,500,000   900,000100,000
1,000,000
  21 MAPIMitra Adiperkasa Tbk1
  1,660,000,000   862,500 47,500  
910,000
  22 TBLATunas Baru Lampung Tbk  1
  4,149,117,961   825,000325,000
1,150,000
  23 PNLFPanin Life Tbk  1
 23,965,014,685   694,000  0  
694,000
  24 SIIPSuryainti Permata Tbk   1
  1,051,741,063   659,000 56,500  
715,500
  25 CPINCharoen Pokphand Indonesia  1
  1,407,669,175   650,000100,000  
750,000
  26 ASIIAstra International Tbk 1
  4,048,355,314   515,000  4,595,000
5,110,000
  27 TMPIAGIS Tbk1
  1,877,002,550   500,000  0  
500,000
  28 PNINPanin Insurance Tbk 1
  4,067,917,671   499,000  0  
499,000
  29 SMRASummarecon Agung Tbk1
  2,754,086,720   353,500599,000  
952,500
  30 VOKSVoksel Electric Tbk 1
831,120,519   330,000  0  
330,000
  31 AKRAAKR Corporindo Tbk  1
624,000,000   313,500500  
314,000
  32 KBLIGT Kabel Indonesia Tbk  2
  3,075,000,000   298,000  0  
298,000
  33 ADHIAdhi Karya (Persero) Tbk1
  1,801,320,000   287,500  1,014,500
1,302,000
  34 KAEFKimia Farma Tbk 1
  5,554,000,000   250,000  0  
250,000
  35 INCOInternational Nickel Ind1
993,633,872   246,000459,000  
705,000
  36 CTRSCiputra Surya Tbk   1
  1,978,864,834   105,000 30,000  
135,000
  37 INTAIntraco Penta Tbk   2
432,005,84490,000500   
90,500
  38 UNVRUnilever Indonesia Tbk  1
  7,630,000,00090,000  1,147,000
1,237,000
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[obrolan-bandar] SELAMATKAN PGAS !!!

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[obrolan-bandar] PKPK dan BEj

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

BEJ tertolong dengan sentimen adanya PKPK yang memang
bagus dan masih murah. Mmmm kita lihat besok, sambil
nunggu akhir bulan ini (report dari emiten) :)


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Eropa kebakaran !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Apa masih kuat IHSG???


 

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[obrolan-bandar] ANTAM BIASA AJA, Target Price ANTM (Stock Split Adjustment)

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Kalau dibilang laba bersih ANTAM 2 triliun, berarti
biasa aja, ST oke, LT no. Disamping harga tambang
semakin turun 


--- ALX™ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kalau masing-masing TP bisa di adjust secara
> straight setelah stock split,
> maka TP ANTM adalah:
> 
> 
> Rel Date  Broker Target   Recomm
> 
> 10/04/07DH 3.690  Strong
> Buy (Up Grade)
> 12/04/07AK 3.200   Buy
> (Up Grade)
> 08/05/07IF   2.900  
> Hold (Down Grade)
> 30/05/07CC2.200   Sell
> 06/06/07   Credit Suisse   2.000   Outperform
> 21/06/07LG 2.720   Hold
> (upgraded)
> 03/07/07YU 3.276  
> Outperform (maintained)
> 03/07/07ML1.512   Sell
> 03/07/07KZ 2.320   Sell
> 
> 
> Salam
> -
> You'll  Never Walk Alone
> 



   

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[obrolan-bandar] Lap keu semeteran

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

udah mulai pada nongol laporan semesteran dibandingin
tahu lalu, kelihatannya bagus, taip kalau dibanding
kuartal pertama ga bagus2 amat...


   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lap keu semeteran

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

di www.jsx.co.id

tapi di koran udah pada mulai koar2, MNCN di SINDO
udah ada, naik dibanding tapi sahamnya malah jeblok
???


--- forever cuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> liatnya di website mana sih pak ...makasi sbelumnya
> ... salam,
> 
> On 7/16/07, Siswantoro, Dodik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > udah mulai pada nongol laporan semesteran
> dibandingin
> > tahu lalu, kelihatannya bagus, taip kalau
> dibanding
> > kuartal pertama ga bagus2 amat...
> 



 

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[obrolan-bandar] LABA BERSIH AALI turun -39% KII

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Laba bersih AALI turun -39% per KII dibanding KI,
kalau dibanding tahun lalu emang naik sangat besaar.
Harga sahamnya naik hari ini, ada komentar???


   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Grafik SEMANGKA....Re: Damn, It's MONDAY...

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Ga usah takut masuk karena market is moving on
sectors, 

--- jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Cuman ISENG doang pak
> 
> Embah lagi nganggur, udah engga berani maen, maklum
> jantungan kalo
> maen diketinggian index yang lagi nyentuh kulit
> semangka. Kalo
> index naek lagi MASA BODO, kalo turun lagi baru MAEN
> LAGI
> 
> INVEST ON CORRECTION FOLLOWING THE TREND, istilah
> kerennya...
> 
> Biarin para Highlander maen menunjukan keahliannya
> diketinggian,
> Embah doain buat para Highlander: Mudah mudahan
> parachutenya 
> berfungsi jika mesin ihsg macet
> 
> Kalo soal TRIO MACAN, itu karena harga nickel dan
> timah turun lagi...
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, swan silo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > apa maksudnya semangka makan trio
> macan?...mohon penjelasan 
> soalnya terlalu abstrak buat saya...trims
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:08:35 AM
> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Grafik SEMANGKARe:
> Damn, It's 
> MONDAY...
> > 
> > Buat breakfast pagi ini sih yg jelas TRIO MACAN
> sarapan semangka,
> > eh... tebalik, semangka makan trio macan...
> hehehe
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Odink
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > kl masih bisa naik sekitar 40an point lagi,
> kira2 saham apa yg 
> bakal 
> > jadi 
> > > duit?
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:19 +0700,
> jsx_consultant 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Pak Laksono bisa aja, tapi embah suka tuh ama
> istilah 
> Watermelon,
> > > > besok besok kalo embah kirim grafik, embah
> akan pakai grafik
> > > > Watermelon (semangka) untuk ELIPS PHI...
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DEG-DEGAN investing

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

saya baru masuk si mbah, he he mental investor emang
sih ...

mau turun juga ga pa pa nanti tambah lagi kalau turun
.. HA HA

--- jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Buat para PEMULA, embah TETAP menyarankan untuk
> TETAP
> MENHINDARI maen saham DIUJUNG TANDUK...
> 
> Biarkanlah para PROFESIONAL bermain
> 
> Buat para penggemar BUY LOW SELL HIGH mengikuti
> TREND, bersabarlah
> karena dibursa KEBERANIAN bukanlah SEGALANYA dan
> ingat :
> - ORANG SABAR DISAYANG TUHAN dan BOZZ...
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> "jsx_consultant"  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > DEG-DEGAN investing
> > 
> > IHSG menyentuh -25 pagi ini..
> > 
> > Apakah anda DEGDEGAN ?.
> > 
> > Jika anda PUNYA posisi tapi tidak DEGDEGAN pagi
> ini berarti: 
> > Methoda Investasi dan Money Management anda sudah
> BENAR terlepas 
> > index hari ini mau naek atau turun...
> > 
> > Buat yang DEGDEGAN BERAT:
> > - Anda sebaiknya berhenti maen saham, secara
> psikologis
> >   dan mental anda tidak cocok maen saham ATAU,
> > - Anda maen terlalu GEDE diluar kemampuan anda,
> Resiko yang
> >   diambil terlalu besar ATAU,
> > - Anda tidak punya Investement/Trading plan dengan
> TARGET
> >   dan RESIKO yg JELAS.
> > 
> > 
> > Sepertinya pagi ini para Long term investor dan
> highlander
> > trader tidak terganggu SECARA EMOSIONAL dengan 
> > penurunan IHSG -25.
> >
> 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa ini?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

FM pada ganti barang he he he 

--- exindo_trade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kok tiba-tiba berantakan ya? Ada berita apa?
> 
> 



  

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] data saham CPRO sejak 28-11-2006 sampai jumat kemarin----BW Cutloss??

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

bung deni tahu darimana cut loss??

kalau saya sih tahu yg ngeshort TLKM dalam jumlah gede
minggu kemarin tuh ... he he :)

--- Deni Hamzah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Berikut Net Buy/Net Sell kepemilikan saham
> CPRO  sejak 28/11/06 di comot dari IQ+
> 
>   Keliatannya BW kok malah Cut Loss CPRO?
> 
> 
>   Stock/Broker Rank By Date :
> CPRO+2006-11-28+2007-07-27   
>   Code BLot BAvg SLot SAvg NLot NVal NAvg 
>   KZ 403,087 687.9 4,550 522.3 398,537
> 137,453,108,864 689.8 
>   NI 1,089,514 565.2 706,624 566.2 382,890
> 107,858,558,976 563.4 
>   EL 1,694,091 428 1,372,842 436.5 321,249
> 62,944,968,704 391.9 
>   LG 1,720,359 466.4 1,555,673 471.7 164,686
> 34,297,118,720 416.5 
>   XL 1,377,268 456.3 1,230,676 452 146,592
> 36,072,718,336 492.2 
>   DP 669,845 474.6 540,267 508.4 129,578
> 21,623,529,472 333.8 
>   YJ 949,128 466.3 839,312 462.3 109,816
> 27,246,264,320 496.2 
>   CP 1,120,816 471.2 1,019,378 478.5 101,438
> 20,182,728,704 397.9 
>   GR 799,218 484.8 700,910 482.5 98,308
> 24,638,242,816 501.2 
>   KK 1,311,050 446.7 1,218,231 455.5 92,819
> 15,363,735,552 331 
>   CM 1,759,657 484 1,673,827 487.3 85,830
> 17,988,222,976 419.2 
>   FA 556,950 513.9 477,044 507.7 79,906
> 22,015,115,264 551 
>   BK 78,000 669 6,000 600 72,000 24,290,000,384
> 674.7 
>   AI 683,026 490.2 616,296 508.3 66,730
> 10,788,732,928 323.4 
>   EP 556,000 477 491,169 488.1 64,831
> 12,739,985,408 393 
>   RS 175,560 534.6 112,686 513.6 62,874
> 17,986,117,632 572.1 
>   YP 1,029,098 349.6 966,280 338.8 62,818
> 16,193,716,224 515.6 
>   BW 253,210 638.5 191,893 604.2 61,317
> 22,863,425,536 745.7 
>   II 404,837 429.5 345,449 383.9 59,388
> 20,641,218,560 695.1 
>   PK 228,412 452.4 176,044 415.4 52,368
> 15,100,669,952 576.7 
>   YU 647,636 425.2 597,352 447.8 50,284
> 3,940,130,816 156.7 
>   IN 1,328,716 437 1,281,708 428.5 47,008
> 15,724,593,152 669 
>   PF 321,404 417 274,756 400.6 46,648
> 11,974,356,992 513.4 
> 



   

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[obrolan-bandar] YG BELI TLKM hari ini, trend BULLISH ??

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

liat aja yang beli TLKM hari ini, bule kabeh ...

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[obrolan-bandar] PANIK SESAAT, BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

beberapa sekuritas nampungin saham2 spt PGAS, BUMI,
...


gara-gara saham mortagage di Amrik yg jeblok sampai
90%, yah beli lagi deh :P


   

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[obrolan-bandar] REDEMPTION REKSADANA OBLGASI !!!

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

tgl 30 dan 31 juli terdapat redemption reksadana
hampir 500 miliar tiap hari  di pasar gimane ada
yang nampung gak tuh ???


  

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[obrolan-bandar] BUrsa Pakistan, Srilanka, Vietnam hijau ...

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

hari ini yang hijau bursa pakistan, srilanka dan
vietnam hijau ga ngaruh ama kejadian di amrik ..

Rupiah cenderung melemah akibat asing pada kabur atau
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[obrolan-bandar] UBS JUALAN

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

UBS salah satu yg terkait dengan AHM jualan banyak woi !!!


  

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[obrolan-bandar] It's over

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

indeks future is getting better now ...
market eropa turun 2% dan berputar2 disitu aja

lagi pula indeks di amrik emang udah jeblok, jadi
kalau turun lebih jauh ga juga sptnya ... half report
will reflect the price already ..

BEJ juga mulai naik2 lagi ..






   

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG koreksi 1% besok

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

jangan salah dana ORI II masuk cukup banyak, asing
pada masuk lagi dah h eh eh he he


--- Odink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> index 1700 pesimis,
> index 1800 masih pesimis,
> apa nanti index 2000 jg masih pesimis? gimana kl
> ntar index 5000, pesimis  
> banget..
> 
> saya tunggu postingan optimisnya deh.. biar hatinya
> selaras antara pesimis  
> dan optimis.. heheee
> 
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:43:05 +0700, Frederick
> Schubert  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > nice tryhehehehehehe
> >
> > James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
>  Besok IHSG bakal  
> > koreksi 1% tembusin level 1800 ... heheheh ...
> ANTM akan turun lagi  
> > setelah hari breakout sedangkan INCO akan turun
> lebih dalam lagi besok  
> > berdasarkan chart hari ini. Silakan tampungin
> kalau berani yah ...  
> > heheheh
> >  Regards,
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> (Yahoo! ID required)
> 
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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[obrolan-bandar] NICKEL JATUH

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

NICKEL JATUH 

LME NICKEL FUTURE ($/metric tonne) 50600.000 -1250.000
-02.41 04/10 


   

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[obrolan-bandar] Regional mulai merah ... atau ngeshort?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

Regional mulai merah ... spt waktu yg tepat untuk
jualan .. he he


   

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[obrolan-bandar] NICKEL jeblok 3% lebih, Amerika jeblok rumah, dan confindence level turun jauh

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

he he siap2 indeks koreksi

setahu saya terjadi peningkatan produksi nickel di
Amerika (blumbi) hari Minggu kemarin

perumahan amerika juga terendah dibandingkan dengan
jan, feb, ...

confidence level juga jelek...


sampai akhir april ini, indeks di Amerika lagi
euphoria laporan Q1 07, tapi jangan harap setelah itu
... salam

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[obrolan-bandar] Gempa di Yogya 5,4 skala richter, gejala alam?

[Siswantoro, Dodik]

new home sales amerika  bagus walupun masih dibawah
estimasi analis.. he he

gitu aja sampai bikin dow nembus 13,000

...

kita tunggu GDP Q1 Amerika besok malam

bulan Mei inflasi 0%?
SBI akan berani turun lagi?
FED naik atau tetap?

perkiraan saya
SBI masih tetap dan FED juga, malah bisa naik karena
inflasi naik bulan lalu ...

salam 

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