Typing Cyrillic
How do I type Cyrillic into Netsurf? I have the necessary fonts for the browser to *display* it, but I can't, for example, type a Russian word into a Google search box or quote a line of Russian poetry in my blog. (I'm pretty sure I have managed it in the past by the incredibly laborious technique of searching using transliterated Latin text for a Web page containing the relevant word in the right case and capitalisation and copying and pasting the text from one window to another, but the process is rather like trying to compose a letter from words cut out of the newspaper!) -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == USER ERROR: replace user and press any key to continue. ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Typing Cyrillic
In article , Harriet Bazley wrote: > How do I type Cyrillic into Netsurf? As far as I know, you can't. And if you can, I would very much like to know how. By the way, Iris (or 4teBrowse) doesn't accept unicode russian either. > (I'm pretty sure I have managed it in the past by the incredibly > laborious technique of searching using transliterated Latin text for a > Web page containing the relevant word in the right case and > capitalisation and copying and pasting the text from one window to > another, but the process is rather like trying to compose a letter from > words cut out of the newspaper!) !KeyMap may come to rescue: http://riscos.sprie.nl/Pages/Software.html But then again, NetSurf won't accept the input. Kind regards, Paul -- https://riscos.sprie.nl ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Typing Cyrillic
On 20 May 2022 as I do recall, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article , >Harriet Bazley wrote: > > > How do I type Cyrillic into Netsurf? [snip] > !KeyMap may come to rescue: http://riscos.sprie.nl/Pages/Software.html > But then again, NetSurf won't accept the input. > Hmm, that could in fact be useful for dealing with Unix software that *expects* all accented characters in configuration files to be coded in UTF8 - I've currently resorted to looking each one up individually every time I need to enter it! (I have a feeling that Zap actually handles UTF8 natively?) In fact, cutting and pasting Cyrillic text into search boxes doesn't work as expected anyway -- it displays correctly within the writable icon, but clearly isn't transmitted in a form that the remote receiver can interpret. So it's back to transliteration, which I find incredibly difficult (I keep instinctively typing B when I mean V and C when I mean S, and all the reverse mistakes that people make when trying to read Cyrillic!) -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == It is far better to be deceived than to be undeceived by those we love. ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Typing Cyrillic
In article <4e86afeb59.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley wrote: > (I have a feeling that Zap actually handles UTF8 natively?) Perhaps, but I can't succeed in making it do so. However, !Edit accepts UTF8 input, albeit wobbly, if you manually edit the liboptions file in Boot:Choices, e.g. change \FCorpus.medium, to \FArialuni\EUTF8. The extension \EUTF8 tells the font manager to use the unicode encoding of the font. !Dict makes use of that extension too. Unfortunately however, manually adding the extension to the fonts in the NetSurf choices file doesn't work: NetSurf automatically replaces those fonts by Homerton.medium. Kind regards, Paul -- https://riscos.sprie.nl ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Typing Cyrillic
On 20/05/2022 17:58, Harriet Bazley wrote: How do I type Cyrillic into Netsurf? I have the necessary fonts for the browser to *display* it, but I can't, for example, type a Russian word into a Google search box or quote a line of Russian poetry in my blog. (I'm pretty sure I have managed it in the past by the incredibly laborious technique of searching using transliterated Latin text for a Web page containing the relevant word in the right case and capitalisation and copying and pasting the text from one window to another, but the process is rather like trying to compose a letter from words cut out of the newspaper!) On RISC OS 5, you can use the following (cumbersome) approach: 1. Open a Task window and enter *Country This will output the current Country setting. (We're assuming here that you don't have some non-standard setup where you have explicitly configured an Alphabet and/or Keyboard the differ from the Country's default -- if you have done so, then enter *Alphabet and *Keyboard to obtain their current settings). 2. Enter *Country Russia in the Task Window This will set the Country to Russia, the system alphabet (*Alphabet) to Cyrillic and the keyboard (*Keyboard) to Russia. (If you prefer, or have non-standard settings as described above, you can set *Alphabet and *Keyboard explicitly instead of using *Country. Do make sure that you set both settings, though -- the system alphabet must be either Cyrillic or UTF8 for this to work, and you obviously need to select the correct keyboard driver, too) 3. Press the left Alt and Shift keys together The Russian keyboard driver has two layers, which may be switched between by pressing the left Alt and Shift keys simultaneously. The base layer is equivalent to a US keyboard, the alternate layer is the Russian 104 key layout. Here we have switched to the alternate layer. 4. Type the text you want into NetSurf The keycaps on your physical keyboard won't help you now -- you'll need to know the layout of a Russian keyboard. If you don't, then you can find a Drawfile containing the relevant layout at [1]. 5. Press the left Alt and Shift keys together This switches the keyboard driver back to the base layer (US layout) 6. Enter *Country in the Task Window This sets the Country/Alphabet/Keyboard settings back to what they were before. here is that output in step 1, above. Again, use *Alphabet and *Keyboard instead, if these are relevant to you. If you think the above is unpleasant, then you would be correct. Unfortunately, this is an excellent example of an area where RISC OS is resolutely stuck in the 1980s. It will require significant work on the OS itself to improve matters. Additionally, note that the character encoding used to submit forms on websites is determined from the web site itself (and has nothing to do with whatever settings apply to the OS on which the browser is running). In the case of Google, the search page they serve to NetSurf does not specify a charset to use for form submission, so the encoding of the web page will be used. Page -> Info will tell you that this is ISO-8859-1 (i.e. Latin 1), which is not able to represent Russian, thus you will find that attempting to search Google for Russian text will end up with NetSurf submitting a load of question marks, instead. Other search engines (e.g. DuckDuckGo, Yahoo) work fine as NetSurf is able to submit UTF-8 encoded text to those (and thus Russian is representable). J. 1. https://gitlab.riscosopen.org/RiscOS/Sources/Internat/IntKey/-/blob/master/Layouts/Russia,aff ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Typing Cyrillic
In article <2fed83bf-6a3b-6ae6-f421-fa8ab7c01...@netsurf-browser.org>, John-Mark Bell wrote: > On RISC OS 5, you can use the following (cumbersome) approach: > [ ...large snip... ] I can confirm that John-Mark's instructions indeed lead to Cyrillic input in NetSurf - and that Google on NetSurf still can't process the text. I also confirm that Yahoo on NetSurf does a better job. And finally, i confirm that all this fiddling is quite cumbersome indeed, although !KeyMap, and especially its built in on screen keyboard, may make it a tiny bit less daunting. Kind regards, Paul -- https://riscos.sprie.nl ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
