SAFNOG-7: 10 Days to Go! Register Now to Attend

[Mark Tinka]

Hello all.

With 10 days to go to the 7th edition of SAFNOG, we are delighted, and 
excited, to welcome you all to sunny and vibrant Cape Town, where we can 
all see each other after 2 years of social distancing.


We have put together a very exciting program that covers a number of 
new, trending, thoughtful, operational and technical topics from within 
our community. Here are some key highlights:


 * The arrival of the new Equiano cable system, and what it means for
   the region, presented by Jonathan Davidson, Google.

 * A keynote on how value within the telecommunications space is
   shifting, and what the modern telco may need to look like for the
   future, by Edgar Kasenene, IDEX.

 * A panel on what the ongoing semi conductor shortages are doing to
   the industry, represented by vendors, operators and distributors,
   and hosted by yours truly.

 * The new paradigm in submarine cable design, using SDM (Spatial
   Division Multiplexing), presented by Alan Hollander, Infinera.

 * ... and a whole lot more!

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The Day 1 social will be Beers For Peers, hosted by NAPAfrica.

The Day 2 social will be hosted by Iris Network Systems.

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    secretariat at safnog dot org

We look forward to seeing you in Cape Town.

Happy travels!

Mark.

cogent and henet not peering

[VOLKAN KIRIK]

lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with 
he.net for free.


*BUT* they will rate-limit he.net links *to* previous month's 95th 
percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (*each month*)


to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad.

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[VOLKAN KIRIK]

alternatively you can do this every 5 minutes..

you could write a script to get 5 minute average for both downstream and 
upstream


and then equalize by rate-limiting with 5 minute delay. it would be 
nearly instant and absolutely fair for both sides.



19.08.2022 18:03 tarihinde VOLKAN KIRIK yazdı:


lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with 
he.net for free.


*BUT* they will rate-limit he.net links *to* previous month's 95th 
percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (*each month*)


to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad.

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[Rubens Kuhl]

OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.


Rubens

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK  wrote:
>
> lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with he.net 
> for free.
>
> BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th percentile 
> upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)
>
> to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...
>
> okay?
>
> fine?
>
> come on people,
>
> segmentation is bad.

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[VOLKAN KIRIK]

this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.

but everyone can.

lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit price to 
cogent for paid peering excess amount and both sides monitor traffic


we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...

both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.

level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?). why 
wouldnt mleber?


but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator day-by-day, 
lets just limit pricing to excess amount of traffic


thanks for reading

would appreciate your support


19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:

OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.


Rubens

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK  wrote:

lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with he.net 
for free.

BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th percentile 
upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)

to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad.

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[Mike Hammett]

The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn as to who pays? 


The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying? 


The network with more POPs gets paid? 

The network with more downstream ASes gets paid? 


Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "VOLKAN KIRIK"  
To: "Rubens Kuhl"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org, dschaef...@cogentco.com, peer...@cogentco.com 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM 
Subject: Re: cogent and henet not peering 


this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free. 
but everyone can. 
lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit price to cogent 
for paid peering excess amount and both sides monitor traffic 
we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide... 
both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality. 
level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?). why wouldnt 
mleber? 
but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator day-by-day, lets just 
limit pricing to excess amount of traffic 
thanks for reading 
would appreciate your support 


19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı: 


OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.


Rubens

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK  wrote: 

lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with he.net 
for free.

BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th percentile 
upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)

to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad. 

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[VOLKAN KIRIK]

the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.

as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.


what do you think?


19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett yazdı:
The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn as to who 
pays?


The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?

The network with more POPs gets paid?

The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?

Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


*From: *"VOLKAN KIRIK" 
*To: *"Rubens Kuhl" 
*Cc: *nanog@nanog.org, dschaef...@cogentco.com, peer...@cogentco.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: cogent and henet not peering

this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.

but everyone can.

lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit price 
to cogent for paid peering excess amount and both sides monitor traffic


we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...

both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.

level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?). why 
wouldnt mleber?


but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator day-by-day, 
lets just limit pricing to excess amount of traffic


thanks for reading

would appreciate your support


19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:

OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.


Rubens

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK  wrote:

lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with 
he.net for free.

BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th 
percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)

to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad.

Re: cogent and henet not peering

[VOLKAN KIRIK]

for example he.net upstream = 300 gbps average

downstream = 200 gbps average (monthly, 95th)


then they should pay 6 cent per megabit of 100 gbps.


would be fair enough.. lets see if they are really giving back to the 
community.



why did they stop bgp tunnels? lots of RD networks moved to CH free upstream


USA's loss. He.net's loss. they are nothing at my eyes. but whatever


if they want to bake cake again, they need to convince themselves to pay 
something.



cogent is eyeball heavy (mostly inbound.) while he.net is content heavy.


i assume POP count and anything else can be safely ignored here...


we need to K.I.S.S.


19.08.2022 18:32 tarihinde VOLKAN KIRIK yazdı:


the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.

as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.


what do you think?


19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett yazdı:
The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn as to 
who pays?


The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?

The network with more POPs gets paid?

The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?

Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


*From: *"VOLKAN KIRIK" 
*To: *"Rubens Kuhl" 
*Cc: *nanog@nanog.org, dschaef...@cogentco.com, peer...@cogentco.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: cogent and henet not peering

this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.

but everyone can.

lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit price 
to cogent for paid peering excess amount and both sides monitor traffic


we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...

both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.

level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?). why 
wouldnt mleber?


but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator day-by-day, 
lets just limit pricing to excess amount of traffic


thanks for reading

would appreciate your support


19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:

OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.


Rubens

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK  wrote:

lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with 
he.net for free.

BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th 
percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)

to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...

okay?

fine?

come on people,

segmentation is bad.

Weekly Global IPv4 Routing Table Report

[Routing Table Analysis Role Account]

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Global
IPv4 Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.

The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG
TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG.

Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net.

For historical data, please see https://thyme.apnic.net.

If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith .

IPv4 Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 20 Aug, 2022

  BGP Table (Global) as seen in Japan.

Report Website: https://thyme.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  https://thyme.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  906799
Prefixes after maximum aggregation (per Origin AS):  341924
Deaggregation factor:  2.65
Unique aggregates announced (without unneeded subnets):  438673
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 73575
Prefixes per ASN: 12.32
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   63118
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   25979
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   10457
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:392
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   4.3
Max AS path length visible:  55
Max AS path prepend of ASN (265020)  50
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:   970
Number of instances of unregistered ASNs:   970
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:  40018
Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:   33216
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:  158507
Number of bogon 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:12
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:1
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:512
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   3070880896
Equivalent to 183 /8s, 9 /16s and 236 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   82.9
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   82.9
Percentage of available address space allocated:  100.0
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   99.6
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  307937

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:   236463
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   67388
APNIC Deaggregation factor:3.51
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:  231571
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:96339
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   12882
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   17.98
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   3733
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   1764
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.6
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 26
Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:   8120
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  773185536
Equivalent to 46 /8s, 21 /16s and 224 /24s
APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079, 55296-56319,
   58368-59391, 63488-64098, 64297-64395, 131072-151865
APNIC Address Blocks 1/8,  14/8,  27/8,  36/8,  39/8,  42/8,  43/8,
49/8,  58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 101/8, 103/8,
   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8,
   163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8,
   203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8,
   222/8, 223/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:264708
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:   120974
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 2.19
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   264954
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks:127622
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:19052
ARIN Prefixes per ASN: