Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Owen DeLong]

On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong  wrote:
>> It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom.
>> 
>> Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable
>> to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions rather than
>> merely hotwire the system to temporarily bypass IPv6 in favor of IPv4.
>> 
>> That's the path I chose.
> 
> I guess you're all missing the point here. I've never agreed too much
> with M$, but what they're doing is right. IPv6 stacks are quite mature
> these days but IPv6 connectivity can be broken due to incorrectly
> implemented networks / tunnels (see:
> http://ripe61.ripe.net/presentations/223-World_IPv6_day.pdf).
> 

I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
the problem.

> For those clients there is no option other than disabling IPv6.

No, there is the option of troubleshooting why IPv6 doesn't work for
them and working to correct it.

> Hopefully the service providers & network admins get to identify and
> fix issues. This problem is not client OS specific. I'm all for M$
> bashing, but not for this reason.
> 

I didn't see where in the M$ propaganda it suggested calling your ISP
or network admin to have them help you fix the issue, so, I don't see
how what they are proposing has any hope of enabling this.

Owen

> -Jaidev
> 
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>> 
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> -- 
> The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy.

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[Sargun Dhillon]

I'm looking into network monitoring utilities for both gathering basic 
statistics conducive to my enterprise as well as looking for anomalies in 
traffic traffic. I'm curious as to how NANOG approaches this problem. 

Are most of your statistics gathered via netflow, or sFlow? How do you gather 
them, and process them? What do most of you use the data for? Deciding 
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How 'standard' are the industry standards (Fluke, Arbour). I've experimented 
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-- 
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deCarta 
VoIP (US): +1-925-235-1105 

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[goemon]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:

I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
the problem.


and your solution is what?

-Dan

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Owen DeLong]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:18 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
>> Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
>> the problem.
> 
> and your solution is what?
> 
> -Dan

As I said before, provide pointers to resources where users can follow up on 
actually
resolving the issues. Their ISP, their IT department, web pages with additional
information on how to diagnose the problem, etc.

Owen

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Tim Chown]

On 3 Jun 2011, at 10:13, Owen DeLong wrote:
> 
> As I said before, provide pointers to resources where users can follow up on 
> actually
> resolving the issues. Their ISP, their IT department, web pages with 
> additional
> information on how to diagnose the problem, etc.

I would guess a typical user will call their local helpdesk or ISP first if 
they have problems. They won't have a clue that Google or Facebook are down or 
slow due to IPv6 connectivity issues.

In which case MS providing a syskb entry for those support people to point the 
user at seems pretty reasonable.

One major MS site has gone dual-stack this morning btw :)

Tim

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Tim Chown]

On 3 Jun 2011, at 01:08, andrew.wallace wrote:

> World  day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an 
> industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign.

The day passing without any significant userland issues would make it a success.

It's a good opportunity to ensure you have the right measurement tools in place 
so you can learn something from the day. For sites that have dual-stack 
deployed, a one-day peek into the future where perhaps 15% or more of external 
traffic will be IPv6 is pretty useful, given it's currently 1% or less.

Tim

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Jared Mauch]

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:18:08AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
> >Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
> >the problem.
> 
> and your solution is what?

Being a techie, I do want some people to have broken networks
that day so they can *fix* it.  Very few things are going to break in a new
way that there isn't a known fix for.

I do expect that this while thing will be a giant noop.

Some people with old software/firmware or broken hardware may see
something, but without proper maintence I would expect that with anything.
Cars, Planes and Trains included.

- Jared

-- 
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clue++;  | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[fredrik danerklint]

The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.


For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.

How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 

I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6 
when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.

What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is 
that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.


Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes them 
don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.


And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as a 
ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle 
IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.


How fun is that?


> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
> 
> Uh...
> 
> -Bill


-- 
//fredan

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Jared Mauch]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote:

> The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
> 
> 
> For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.

You made the mistake of buying something that wasn't compliant with the 
following draft:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-george-ipv6-required-02

> How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
> ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 
> 
> I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6 
> when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.
> 
> What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is 
> that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.
> 
> Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes 
> them 
> don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.

Replacing CPE will come naturally with entropy over time combined with the 
early-adopters.

I know many people who would walk into the store today and buy a docsis 3 cable 
modem if cox/charter/twcable etc had ipv6 available.

> And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as 
> a 
> ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle 
> IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.

This is a whole other issue but getting better.  I do want to see what Qwest 
(Centurylink?) plans on the consumer side as well as any form of an upgrade to 
the 2WIRE devices that AT&T is using.  Looking at the other providers out 
there, it's interesting to watch the table growing daily.  Somewhere around 
10-20 new ASNs appear in the IPv6 table right now.  (Weekends tend to show few 
if any adds).

2WIRE rant: These have a whole host of issues that seem to constantly cause 
problems.  (I do like that if you send a SIP notify to devices behind them they 
sometimes reboot themselves and solve the problem due to their broken SIP-ALG 
that can't be disabled).

> How fun is that?

The usual fun.  We have had discussions with vendors about IPv6 support and 
capabilities and they are really interesting.  Just ask about v6 
lawful-intercept for compliance next time.  Interesting days ahead, but all Is 
the bright future.  The network is real now, even if you don't like the smell 
or color of IPv6.

- Jared

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Alexander Maassen]

You are missing a big point here, most NL users for example cannot use
ipv6 tunnels because the isp's equipment doesn't allow them. When I
called my ISP (online.nl) for example to ask about it, they first had
something like: what the heck are you talking about. In fact, one of the
only major isp's in the netherlands actively supporting ipv6 for
customers is xs4all. On several other providers I had I am simply unable
to setup a tunnel. The provider itself is the one blocking proto 41. Not
me or my router, and surely not he.net.
Another issue is, as long as not many homeusers are aware of ipv6 (for
them it's just technical mumbo jumbo they don't care about, as long as
they get the webpages shown they wanna access it's fine for them).
So having said previous, maybe there should be a World IPv6 only week.
That would piss off users, make them complain at their isp, and maybe
THEN they finally wanna do some implementations.

Op 3-6-2011 9:44, Owen DeLong schreef:
>
> On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong  wrote:
>>> It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom.
>>>
>>> Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable
>>> to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions
rather than
>>> merely hotwire the system to temporarily bypass IPv6 in favor of IPv4.
>>>
>>> That's the path I chose.
>>
>> I guess you're all missing the point here. I've never agreed too much
>> with M$, but what they're doing is right. IPv6 stacks are quite mature
>> these days but IPv6 connectivity can be broken due to incorrectly
>> implemented networks / tunnels (see:
>> http://ripe61.ripe.net/presentations/223-World_IPv6_day.pdf).
>>
>
> I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
> Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
> the problem.
>
>> For those clients there is no option other than disabling IPv6.
>
> No, there is the option of troubleshooting why IPv6 doesn't work for
> them and working to correct it.
>
>> Hopefully the service providers & network admins get to identify and
>> fix issues. This problem is not client OS specific. I'm all for M$
>> bashing, but not for this reason.
>>
>
> I didn't see where in the M$ propaganda it suggested calling your ISP
> or network admin to have them help you fix the issue, so, I don't see
> how what they are proposing has any hope of enabling this.
>
> Owen
>
>> -Jaidev
>>
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>>>
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
>
> Uh...
>
>-Bill
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy.




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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Joel Jaeggli]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote:

> The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
> 
> 
> For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
> 
> How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
> ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 

irrelevant, nothing is going to break for you on june 8th. At some point you'll 
buy a new modem, maybe not soon.

> I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6 
> when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.
> 
> What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is 
> that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.
> 
> 
> Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes 
> them 
> don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.
> 
> 
> And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as 
> a 
> ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle 
> IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.
> 
> 
> How fun is that?
> 
> 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
>> 
>> Uh...
>> 
>>-Bill
> 
> 
> -- 
> //fredan
> 

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2011-Jun-03 14:27, fredrik danerklint wrote:
> The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
> 
> 
> For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
> 
> How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
> ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 

Strange, we have 3 SixXS users who work at Zyxel and are actively
terminating their stuff on Zyxel equipment which btw has AICCU support.

Now, that model of a router might not be out yet, but it is coming, just
don't hold your breath, but it might be a software upgrade if you are lucky.

Greets,
 Jeroen

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:42:01 EDT, Jared Mauch said:
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote:
> > The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.

> > For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> > 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> > in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.

> You made the mistake of buying something that wasn't compliant with the
> following draft:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-george-ipv6-required-02

s/mistake/decision/. There, fixed that for you.

I went out  3 years ago and bought a cablemodem and a router that are *also*
not IPv6 ready, because it made economic sense at the time (Got them on sale,
they had every *other* feature I needed, they were easier/cheaper to find at
Best Buy than IPv6-ready gear, Comcast has yet to deploy IPv6 in my area, and
they were cheap enough I don't mind forklift-upgrading them when IPv6 becomes
actually available here.).  They'll probably get replaced within 48 hours of it
being *worth* replacing them.

But at the time, paying literally twice as much for a box that had a feature I 
was
not likely to be able to use before the box needed replacing *anyhow* didn't 
make
any economic sense.



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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Aftab Siddiqui]

Do they have any good reason to block proto 41?

Generic Homeusers never asked for IPv4 so they won't ask for IPv6. The time
will change many things from CPE to perspective as well. I'm not ready to
answer million calls on World IPv6 only week :)


Regards,

Aftab A. Siddiqui


On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Alexander Maassen wrote:

> You are missing a big point here, most NL users for example cannot use
> ipv6 tunnels because the isp's equipment doesn't allow them. When I
> called my ISP (online.nl) for example to ask about it, they first had
> something like: what the heck are you talking about. In fact, one of the
> only major isp's in the netherlands actively supporting ipv6 for
> customers is xs4all. On several other providers I had I am simply unable
> to setup a tunnel. The provider itself is the one blocking proto 41. Not
> me or my router, and surely not he.net.
> Another issue is, as long as not many homeusers are aware of ipv6 (for
> them it's just technical mumbo jumbo they don't care about, as long as
> they get the webpages shown they wanna access it's fine for them).
> So having said previous, maybe there should be a World IPv6 only week.
> That would piss off users, make them complain at their isp, and maybe
> THEN they finally wanna do some implementations.
>
> Op 3-6-2011 9:44, Owen DeLong schreef:
> >
> > On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong  wrote:
> >>> It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be
> preferable
> >>> to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions
> rather than
> >>> merely hotwire the system to temporarily bypass IPv6 in favor of IPv4.
> >>>
> >>> That's the path I chose.
> >>
> >> I guess you're all missing the point here. I've never agreed too much
> >> with M$, but what they're doing is right. IPv6 stacks are quite mature
> >> these days but IPv6 connectivity can be broken due to incorrectly
> >> implemented networks / tunnels (see:
> >> http://ripe61.ripe.net/presentations/223-World_IPv6_day.pdf).
> >>
> >
> > I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
> > Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
> > the problem.
> >
> >> For those clients there is no option other than disabling IPv6.
> >
> > No, there is the option of troubleshooting why IPv6 doesn't work for
> > them and working to correct it.
> >
> >> Hopefully the service providers & network admins get to identify and
> >> fix issues. This problem is not client OS specific. I'm all for M$
> >> bashing, but not for this reason.
> >>
> >
> > I didn't see where in the M$ propaganda it suggested calling your ISP
> > or network admin to have them help you fix the issue, so, I don't see
> > how what they are proposing has any hope of enabling this.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >> -Jaidev
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Owen
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> >>>
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
> >
> > Uh...
> >
> >-Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy.
>
>
>

Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2011-Jun-03 14:48, Alexander Maassen wrote:
> You are missing a big point here, most NL users for example cannot use
> ipv6 tunnels because the isp's equipment doesn't allow them.

Which is why Freenet6/Gogo6 has TSP and SixXS has AYIYA because
tunneling over UDP works fine, just like every other VPN product in the
market does (though most VPN products don't do IPv6 yet, it is coming).

Take a guess why these protocols exist ;)

> When I
> called my ISP (online.nl) for example to ask about it, they first had
> something like: what the heck are you talking about.

That layer 1 personnel does not know about IPv6 just shows that the
company did not invest in IPv6 training yet. Their problem that they
need to resolve sooner or later and actually the bigger problem than
upgrading software or even hardware as those things just cycle out in a
few years time.

> On several other providers I had I am simply unable
> to setup a tunnel. The provider itself is the one blocking proto 41. Not
> me or my router, and surely not he.net.

Let me guess, you are behind a NAT and expect protocol-41 to be
forwarded exactly where? Anyway, as stated above, just use TSP or AYIYA.

Having lived in The Netherlands for a long time and various other
places, I have never had a problem, even in hotels with broken setups,
to get IPv6 going. Heck it even works in most airports ;)

> Another issue is, as long as not many homeusers are aware of ipv6 (for
> them it's just technical mumbo jumbo they don't care about, as long as
> they get the webpages shown they wanna access it's fine for them).
> So having said previous, maybe there should be a World IPv6 only week.
> That would piss off users, make them complain at their isp, and maybe
> THEN they finally wanna do some implementations.

"IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day, but take a guess
how many phone calls would go to ISPs then and how much money folks
would lose when that would be done.

Greets,
 Jeroen

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

[Tim Chown]

On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar  wrote:

> "IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day

It was?

Tim

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

[Cameron Byrne]

On Jun 3, 2011 6:59 AM, "Tim Chown"  wrote:
>
>
> On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar  wrote:
>
> > "IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day
>
> It was?

No. I think there is confusion with ipv6 hour that happens at ietf where
they turn off ipv4 for an hour on the conference wifi. Ipv6 day was never
about turning v4 off

Cb

> Tim
>

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2011-Jun-03 16:13, Cameron Byrne wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2011 6:59 AM, "Tim Chown"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar  wrote:
>>
>>> "IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day
>>
>> It was?
> 
> No. I think there is confusion with ipv6 hour that happens at ietf where
> they turn off ipv4 for an hour on the conference wifi. Ipv6 day was never
> about turning v4 off

No confusion there, there was an earlier plan to do an IPv6-only stint,
but that was withdrawn as it would have caused too much amok in the world.

Greets,
 Jeroen

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Owen DeLong]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote:

> The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
> 
> 
> For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
> 

OK...

> How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
> ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 
> 

You don't. However, that's not the issue. All you need to do is make sure
that your Micr0$0ft boxes don't think they have working IPv6 behind
your ZyXEL and you're fine for now.

Of course, if your home gateway vendor has decided that they will
absolutely not support IPv6, then, it's time to get a new home gateway.

> I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6 
> when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.
> 

True, but, it may not have the flash or RAM to handle the job.

> What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is 
> that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.
> 

I would let them know that they are overdue for developing this skill
set and better get cracking if I were their customer.

> 
> Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes 
> them 
> don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.
> 

I think part of the point of W6D is to identify these and raise awareness among
the users of such devices that a vital upgrade is in their near future.
By just hotwiring past the IPv6 issues, Micr0$0ft is removing this opportunity.

> 
> And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as 
> a 
> ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle 
> IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.
> 

That's what solutions like 6rd and 6in4 are intended for.

> 
> How fun is that?
> 

There are many things that are fun in this industry. The next couple of
years are definitely going to be interesting.

Owen

> 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
>> 
>> Uh...
>> 
>>-Bill
> 
> 
> -- 
> //fredan

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Frank Bulk]

As Owen is suggesting, if would have been helpful if Microsoft's Network
troubleshooting wizard in Windows Vista and 7 had an inkling about IPv6 and
would check IPv6 connectivity in the same way it checks IPv6 connectivity,
and work through things link 6to4 issues.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:44 AM
To: m...@jaidev.info
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day


On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong  wrote:
>> It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom.
>> 
>> Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable
>> to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions rather
than
>> merely hotwire the system to temporarily bypass IPv6 in favor of IPv4.
>> 
>> That's the path I chose.
> 
> I guess you're all missing the point here. I've never agreed too much
> with M$, but what they're doing is right. IPv6 stacks are quite mature
> these days but IPv6 connectivity can be broken due to incorrectly
> implemented networks / tunnels (see:
> http://ripe61.ripe.net/presentations/223-World_IPv6_day.pdf).
> 

I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if
Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past
the problem.

> For those clients there is no option other than disabling IPv6.

No, there is the option of troubleshooting why IPv6 doesn't work for
them and working to correct it.

> Hopefully the service providers & network admins get to identify and
> fix issues. This problem is not client OS specific. I'm all for M$
> bashing, but not for this reason.
> 

I didn't see where in the M$ propaganda it suggested calling your ISP
or network admin to have them help you fix the issue, so, I don't see
how what they are proposing has any hope of enabling this.

Owen

> -Jaidev
> 
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>> 
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>> 
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
>>> 
>>> Uh...
>>> 
>>>-Bill
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> TRIj4/qQcS7m8cl4gNFY3nplALrWHjs2WK8jk0HlDnEgvSe7D2YC6Te5vnGgY9sX
>>> JXif1D36Pzx1V1JwbmMIwvvlUalPH/jyciMVUGrMMKc+0w7/75IerzGsSabdTIzJ
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>>> zDCJANGd5PZxtcTBgYJkZCK+sNjzycThkS1UP8pKdajbyQNlbRWkDFbQwMQ0DQEa
>>> IanX3BioesZmfashzRu+khdczhLVtFLKLUT7/yI2RqQOekx5sO+HqzTIiIIp5mkd
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>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy.

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Frank Bulk]

Have a ZyXEL VSG1432 right behind me where the IPv6 works pretty good
(http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE#DSL).  All the DSL modem
vendors could stand improving their GUI.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: fredrik danerklint [mailto:fredan-na...@fredan.se] 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:27 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.


For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.

How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since 
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all? 

I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6

when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.

What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is 
that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.


Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes
them 
don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.


And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as
a 
ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle 
IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.


How fun is that?


> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/
> 
> Uh...
> 
> -Bill


-- 
//fredan

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

[Owen DeLong]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote:

> On 2011-Jun-03 16:13, Cameron Byrne wrote:
>> On Jun 3, 2011 6:59 AM, "Tim Chown"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar  wrote:
>>> 
 "IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day
>>> 
>>> It was?
>> 
>> No. I think there is confusion with ipv6 hour that happens at ietf where
>> they turn off ipv4 for an hour on the conference wifi. Ipv6 day was never
>> about turning v4 off
> 
> No confusion there, there was an earlier plan to do an IPv6-only stint,
> but that was withdrawn as it would have caused too much amok in the world.
> 
> Greets,
> Jeroen

FIrst I've heard of such a thing. The original organizers of W6D have zero
motivation to try such a thing and I can't imagine why they would even
consider it for more than a picosecond.

Owen

[NANOG-announce] updated NANOG 52 registration and hotel information

[Steven Feldman]

Two items for those of you still working on your NANOG 52 travel arrangements:

- Today is the cutoff for the standard registration fee.  After today
the fee increases by $75.

- The Sheraton is completely sold out for the night of Tuesday, June
14.  We have not been able to secure additional room blocks, but we
did find two hotels nearby that still had availability as of last
night.  They are:

  Grand Hyatt Denver
  1750 Welton Street, Denver, CO 80202
  Tel: +1 303 295 1234Fax: +1 303 292 2472
  http://www.granddenver.hyatt.com/

  Warwick Denver Hotel
  1776 Grant Street, Denver, CO 80203
  Tel: +1 303 861 2000   Fax: +1 303 832 0320
  http://www.warwickdenver.com/

See you in Denver!
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This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet
Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.

The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG,
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If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith .

Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 04 Jun, 2011

Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  358561
Prefixes after maximum aggregation:  162439
Deaggregation factor:  2.21
Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 178183
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 37775
Prefixes per ASN:  9.49
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   31544
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   15151
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:5102
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:134
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   4.3
Max AS path length visible:  36
Max AS path prepend of ASN (48687)   24
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:   747
Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 395
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:   1425
Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:1129
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:2579
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:165
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2450918336
Equivalent to 146 /8s, 22 /16s and 11 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   66.1
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   66.1
Percentage of available address space allocated:  100.0
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   91.0
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  149599

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:88800
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   30084
APNIC Deaggregation factor:2.95
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:   85253
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:36662
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:4475
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   19.05
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   1253
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:705
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.5
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 20
Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 47
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  619636256
Equivalent to 36 /8s, 238 /16s and 230 /24s
Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 78.6

APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079
   55296-56319, 131072-132095
APNIC Address Blocks 1/8,  14/8,  27/8,  36/8,  39/8,  42/8,  43/8,
49/8,  58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 101/8, 103/8,
   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 175/8, 180/8,
   182/8, 183/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8,
   219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, 223/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:140579
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:71516
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.97
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   112681
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 46229
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:14406
ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 7.82
ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:5495
ARIN Region transit ASes present in the I

[NANOG-announce] additional hotel information for NANOG 52

[Steven Feldman]

Late breaking news:

The Warwick Denver Hotel has set aside some rooms for at a special
rate of $159/night.

To make reservations using this rate, call the hotel directly at
303-861-2000 and ask for Customer Reservations.

At last check, there were 19 rooms left for the Tuesday night, and
plenty of availability for the other nights.

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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Franck Martin]

http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/

Something is happening...

On 6/2/11 21:34 , "Hank Nussbacher"  wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote:
>
>In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is
>increasing rather than decreasing:
>http://server8.test-ipv6.com/stats.html
>
>I would have expected the green+azure areas in those graphs to have
>increased in the past half year but counter-intutitively, it appears that
>IPv4 only usage is increasing.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:31:57 -, Franck Martin said:
> http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/
> 
> Something is happening...

What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I
asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite
sawtooth there, big enough that we probably want to understand it.



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BGP Update Report

[cidr-report]

BGP Update Report
Interval: 26-May-11 -to- 02-Jun-11 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS982957552  3.9%  88.8 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet 
Backbone
 2 - AS33475   45744  3.1% 333.9 -- RSN-1 - RockSolid Network, Inc.
 3 - AS24560   33904  2.3%  29.7 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti 
Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services
 4 - AS19743   33903  2.3%5650.5 -- 
 5 - AS949827999  1.9%  34.4 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.
 6 - AS27738   22165  1.5%  65.4 -- Ecuadortelecom S.A.
 7 - AS17974   17751  1.2%  12.1 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT 
Telekomunikasi Indonesia
 8 - AS11492   17633  1.2%  15.9 -- CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC.
 9 - AS32528   15576  1.1%2596.0 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
10 - AS3320 9731  0.7% 405.5 -- DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG
11 - AS174889398  0.6%  25.4 -- HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over 
Cable Internet
12 - AS2697 9387  0.6%  69.5 -- ERX-ERNET-AS Education and 
Research Network
13 - AS455148527  0.6%  28.0 -- TELEMEDIA-SMB-AS-AP Bharti 
Airtel Ltd., TELEMEDIA Services, for SMB customers
14 - AS455958318  0.6%  81.5 -- PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan 
Telecom Company Limited
15 - AS270657747  0.5%  73.8 -- DNIC-ASBLK-27032-27159 - DoD 
Network Information Center
16 - AS3454 7635  0.5%7635.0 -- Universidad Autonoma de Nuevo 
Leon
17 - AS7552 7577  0.5%   7.2 -- VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation
18 - AS701  7050  0.5% 119.5 -- UUNET - MCI Communications 
Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business
19 - AS8151 6906  0.5%   7.1 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.
20 - AS180026859  0.5%  43.7 -- WORLDPHONE-IN AS Number for 
Interdomain Routing


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS3454 7635  0.5%7635.0 -- Universidad Autonoma de Nuevo 
Leon
 2 - AS19743   33903  2.3%5650.5 -- 
 3 - AS32528   15576  1.1%2596.0 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 4 - AS318152624  0.2%1312.0 -- MEDIATEMPLE - Media Temple, Inc.
 5 - AS517221118  0.1%1118.0 -- EAD-TELECOM-AS EAD TELECOM SRL
 6 - AS249193679  0.2% 919.8 -- CUBIO-AS Oy Cubio 
Communications Ltd.
 7 - AS49600 869  0.1% 869.0 -- LASEDA La Seda de Barcelona, S.A
 8 - AS50347 781  0.1% 781.0 -- ZONTERRA-AS Zonterra Corp SRL
 9 - AS21429 768  0.1% 768.0 -- SICOB Sicob S.r.l. Autonomous 
System
10 - AS38789 723  0.1% 723.0 -- IAHGAMES-AS-ID IAHGames 
Indonesia PT
11 - AS46820 617  0.0% 617.0 -- LRHNET1 - Littleton Regional 
Hospital
12 - AS3 588  0.0% 735.0 -- TELLUS-AS Tellus BV
13 - AS104452362  0.2% 472.4 -- HTG - Huntleigh Telcom
14 - AS3320 9731  0.7% 405.5 -- DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG
15 - AS48068 401  0.0% 401.0 -- VISONIC Visonic Ltd
16 - AS8745  366  0.0% 366.0 -- AS-BG-BAS BASNET autonomous 
system Bulgaria
17 - AS36948 721  0.1% 360.5 -- KENIC
18 - AS36372 353  0.0% 353.0 -- VENYU-3 - Venyu Solutions Inc.
19 - AS383883015  0.2% 335.0 -- BEN-AS-KR Bukbu District Office 
of Education in Seoul
20 - AS33475   45744  3.1% 333.9 -- RSN-1 - RockSolid Network, Inc.


TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes
Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name
 1 - 202.92.235.0/24   11224  0.7%   AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.
 2 - 91.217.214.0/249569  0.6%   AS3320  -- DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG
 3 - 130.36.35.0/24 7783  0.5%   AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 4 - 130.36.34.0/24 7781  0.5%   AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs
 5 - 200.23.202.0/247635  0.5%   AS3454  -- Universidad Autonoma de Nuevo 
Leon
 6 - 208.54.82.0/24 6800  0.4%   AS701   -- UUNET - MCI Communications 
Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business
 7 - 65.122.196.0/246418  0.4%   AS19743 -- 
 8 - 72.164.144.0/245504  0.3%   AS19743 -- 
 9 - 66.238.91.0/24 5497  0.3%   AS19743 -- 
10 - 66.89.98.0/24  5495  0.3%   AS19743 -- 
11 - 65.163.182.0/245495  0.3%   AS19743 -- 
12 - 65.162.204.0/245494  0.3%   AS19743 -- 
13 - 202.153.174.0/24   3413  0.2%   AS17408 -- ABOVE-AS-AP AboveNet 
Communications Taiwan
14 - 205.91.160.0/202984  0.2%   AS5976  -- DNIC-ASBLK-05800-06055 - DoD 
Network Information Center
15 - 65.181.192.0/232041  0.1%   AS11492 -- CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC.
16 - 77.74.144.0/24 1536  0.1%   AS21429 -- SICOB Sicob S.r.l. Autonomous 
System
 AS5396  -- MC-LINK MC-link Spa
17 - 192.80.43.0/24 1508  0.1%   AS1706  -- UNIV-ARIZ - University of 
Arizona
18 - 24.116.2.0/24  1497  0.1%   AS11

The Cidr Report

[cidr-report]

This report has been generated at Fri Jun  3 21:11:57 2011 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
27-05-11361620  212256
28-05-11361939  212249
29-05-11362005  212296
30-05-11361957  212301
31-05-11362044  212140
01-06-11361502  212100
02-06-11361940  212371
03-06-11362189  212296


AS Summary
 37870  Number of ASes in routing system
 15946  Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
  3640  Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS6389 : BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc.
  110390016  Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street


Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as 
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').

 --- 03Jun11 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr  NetGain   % Gain   Description

Table 362185   212308   14987741.4%   All ASes

AS6389  3640  260 338092.9%   BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
   BellSouth.net Inc.
AS4323  1975  402 157379.6%   TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
   inc.
AS4766  2460  932 152862.1%   KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS6478  1716  279 143783.7%   ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T Services,
   Inc.
AS22773 1338   97 124192.8%   ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC -
   Cox Communications Inc.
AS19262 1492  307 118579.4%   VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Online
   LLC
AS18566 1875  720 115561.6%   COVAD - Covad Communications
   Co.
AS4755  1471  384 108773.9%   TATACOMM-AS TATA
   Communications formerly VSNL
   is Leading ISP
AS1785  1793  759 103457.7%   AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
   Communications, Inc.
AS28573 1322  313 100976.3%   NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A.
AS7552  1141  133 100888.3%   VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel
   Corporation
AS10620 1512  591  92160.9%   Telmex Colombia S.A.
AS7545  1538  746  79251.5%   TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
   Pty Ltd
AS18101  933  145  78884.5%   RELIANCE-COMMUNICATIONS-IN
   Reliance Communications
   Ltd.DAKC MUMBAI
AS24560 1155  387  76866.5%   AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti
   Airtel Ltd., Telemedia
   Services
AS4808  1090  343  74768.5%   CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
   network China169 Beijing
   Province Network
AS8151  1385  651  73453.0%   Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS7303   960  294  66669.4%   Telecom Argentina S.A.
AS3356  1113  453  66059.3%   LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications
AS17974 1542  922  62040.2%   TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT
   Telekomunikasi Indonesia
AS17488  930  312  61866.5%   HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
   Cable Internet
AS17676  658   70  58889.4%   GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp.
AS14420  675   89  58686.8%   CORPORACION NACIONAL DE
   TELECOMUNICACIONES - CNT EP
AS22561  929  364  56560.8%   DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital
   Teleport Inc.
AS3549   954  398  55658.3%   GBLX Global Crossing Ltd.
AS855646  109  53783.1%   CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant
   Regional Communications, Inc.
AS4780   749  213  53671.6%   SEEDNET Digital United Inc.
AS22047  565   30  53594.7%   VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A.
AS4804   586   87  49985.2%   MPX-AS Microplex PTY LTD
AS30693  506   10  49698.0%   EONI-
   X-C-
   

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Scott Weeks]

--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I
asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite
sawtooth there, big enough that we probably want to understand it.
-


There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-)

scott

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said:

> There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-)

Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and
lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a "different traffic pattern for home/office",
but then you'd expect Friday to be about the same as M-Th, and Sat/Sun to be
about even.



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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Tony Varriale]

On 6/2/2011 7:08 PM, andrew.wallace wrote:

World  day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry 
failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign.

Andrew


I've had more customers ask and now willing to participate than ever before.

Any better suggestions?  Or, maybe take your pissing mechanism and try a 
subject more worthy.


tv

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Tony McCrory]

On 3 June 2011 23:24,   wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said:
>
>> There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-)
>
> Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and
> lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a "different traffic pattern for home/office",
> but then you'd expect Friday to be about the same as M-Th, and Sat/Sun to be
> about even.
>
>

I wonder if there is a disproportionately large amount of IPv6 usage
in the Middle East where a number of countries have their weekend on
Friday and Saturday, with Sunday being the first day of their working
week?  UAE and Israel as examples.

Tony

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Simon Lockhart]

On Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 12:04:42AM +0100, Tony McCrory wrote:
> I wonder if there is a disproportionately large amount of IPv6 usage
> in the Middle East where a number of countries have their weekend on
> Friday and Saturday, with Sunday being the first day of their working
> week?  UAE and Israel as examples.

Interestingly, providing access services to students in the UK, I see Friday
and Saturday as my quiet days, with Sunday being as busy as Monday - Thursday.

I always just put it down to students going out drinking on Fridays and 
Saturdays.

Simon

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Owen DeLong]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:24 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said:
> 
>> There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-)
> 
> Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and
> lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a "different traffic pattern for home/office",
> but then you'd expect Friday to be about the same as M-Th, and Sat/Sun to be
> about even.
> 

Everyone is out interacting with Humans on Friday nights.

Sunday, everyone is home trying to avoid dealing with their families.


(Mostly tongue in cheek)

Owen

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Robert Bonomi]

> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org  Fri Jun  3 17:25:39 
> 2011
> To: sur...@mauigateway.com
> Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day
> From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:24:42 -0400
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>
> --==_Exmh_1307139882_2680P
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said:
>
> > There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-)
>
> Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and
> lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a "different traffic pattern for home/office",
> but then you'd expect Friday to be about the same as M-Th, and Sat/Sun to be
> about even.

Possibly traffic from the 'wrong side' of the International Date line??

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Antonio Querubin]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:


What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I
asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite
sawtooth there, big enough that we probably want to understand it.


It means that IPv6 geeks have lives too :)

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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

[Martin Hotze]

> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:13:31 -0700
> From: Owen DeLong 
> Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day
> To: fredrik danerklint 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> 
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote:
> 
> > The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
> >
> >
> > For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
> > 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
> > in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
(...)
> > What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment)
> is
> > that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current
> products.
> >
> 
> I would let them know that they are overdue for developing this skill
> set and better get cracking if I were their customer.

well, directly from their (ZyXEL) US homepage you will be directed to:
http://us.zyxel.com/info/ipv6/ with at least some information.


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Syrian Internet shutdown

[Joly MacFie]

Renesys yesterday reported a Syrian Internet shutdown.

http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/06/syrian-internet-shutdown.shtml

I'm getting through to some but not all of the sites reported down.

Any further info?



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