BGP Update Report
BGP Update Report Interval: 01-Sep-08 -to- 02-Oct-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9583 270423 3.1% 219.0 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 2 - AS1803 112677 1.3% 83.0 -- ICMNET-5 - Sprint 3 - AS453894973 1.1% 18.9 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 4 - AS569178608 0.9%6046.8 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 5 - AS815173506 0.8% 30.0 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 6 - AS638968084 0.8% 15.7 -- BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 7 - AS905162207 0.7% 391.2 -- IDM Autonomous System 8 - AS20255 52357 0.6%2181.5 -- Tecnowind S.A. 9 - AS14593 51930 0.6% 51930.0 -- BRAND-INSTITUTE - Brand Instiute, Inc. 10 - AS418451693 0.6% 25846.5 -- STORTEK-WHQ - Storage Technology Corporation 11 - AS209 50485 0.6% 16.8 -- ASN-QWEST - Qwest 12 - AS10396 49882 0.6% 906.9 -- COQUI-NET - DATACOM CARIBE, INC. 13 - AS427446859 0.5% 689.1 -- ERX-AU-NET Assumption University 14 - AS11971 43557 0.5%6222.4 -- PFIZERNET-GROTON - PFIZER INC. 15 - AS30890 40551 0.5% 29.9 -- EVOLVA Evolva Telecom 16 - AS20115 39360 0.5% 19.7 -- CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter Communications 17 - AS701838723 0.4% 26.2 -- ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 18 - AS18231 36408 0.4% 146.2 -- EXATT-AS-AP IOL NETCOM LTD 19 - AS645835507 0.4% 104.4 -- Telgua 20 - AS17488 34904 0.4% 23.4 -- HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS14593 51930 0.6% 51930.0 -- BRAND-INSTITUTE - Brand Instiute, Inc. 2 - AS418451693 0.6% 25846.5 -- STORTEK-WHQ - Storage Technology Corporation 3 - AS826618591 0.2% 18591.0 -- NEXUSTEL Nexus Telecommunications 4 - AS299106939 0.1%6939.0 -- IACP - INTL. ASSN OF CHIEF OF POLICEI 5 - AS381806814 0.1%6814.0 -- ETPI-IDS-JOLLIBEE-AS-AP 6/Fth floor JOLLIBEE PLAZA, Emerald Ave. Ortigas Center Pasig City. 6 - AS11971 43557 0.5%6222.4 -- PFIZERNET-GROTON - PFIZER INC. 7 - AS569178608 0.9%6046.8 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 8 - AS4557 7862 0.1%3931.0 -- EP0-BLK-ASNBLOCK-7 - EP.NET, LLC. 9 - AS30969 30688 0.3%3836.0 -- TAN-NET TransAfrica Networks 10 - AS23082 18093 0.2%3618.6 -- MPHI - Michigan Public Health Institute 11 - AS441942814 0.0%2814.0 -- FREIFUNK-BERLIN-AS Freifunk Berlin 12 - AS327612557 0.0%2557.0 -- WASSE-NYC - Wasserstein & Co. 13 - AS239172280 0.0%2280.0 -- BRIBIE-NET-AS-AP Bribie Island Net Multihomed, Brisbane 14 - AS20255 52357 0.6%2181.5 -- Tecnowind S.A. 15 - AS244911705 0.0%1705.0 -- WORLDWEB-THAILAND-AS-AP Internet Service Provider Thailand 16 - AS320111529 0.0%1529.0 -- JOHO-NYC - Joho Capital, LLC 17 - AS102215694 0.1%1423.5 -- HEWLETT-PACKARD Multi-homed connections to multiple ISP's providing 18 - AS974710398 0.1%1299.8 -- EZINTERNET-AS-AP EZInternet Pty Ltd 19 - AS253211251 0.0%1251.0 -- G4S-NET GROUP 4 SECURITAS Prague 20 - AS3944 3594 0.0%1198.0 -- PARTAN-LAB - Partan & Partan TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 192.12.120.0/24 78486 0.8% AS5691 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 2 - 210.214.151.0/24 61815 0.7% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 3 - 221.134.222.0/24 58347 0.6% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 4 - 194.126.143.0/24 52197 0.6% AS9051 -- IDM Autonomous System 5 - 12.8.7.0/24 51930 0.6% AS14593 -- BRAND-INSTITUTE - Brand Instiute, Inc. 6 - 221.135.80.0/24 47652 0.5% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 7 - 210.210.112.0/24 45236 0.5% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 8 - 12.18.36.0/24 43289 0.5% AS11971 -- PFIZERNET-GROTON - PFIZER INC. 9 - 221.135.251.0/24 32666 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 10 - 221.128.192.0/18 28021 0.3% AS18231 -- EXATT-AS-AP IOL NETCOM LTD 11 - 200.108.200.0/24 26534 0.3% AS20255 -- Tecnowind S.A. 12 - 199.117.144.0/22 25847 0.3% AS4184 -- STORTEK-WHQ - Storage Technology Corporation 13 - 129.80.0.0/16 25846 0.3% AS4184 -- STORTEK-WHQ - Storage Technology Corporation 14 - 200.108.220.0/24 25547 0.3% AS20255 -- Tecnowind S.A. 15 - 72.50.96.0/20 24477 0.3% AS10396 -- COQUI-NET - DATACOM CARIBE, INC. 16 - 196.42.0.0/20 24460 0.3% AS10396 -- COQUI-NET - DATACOM CARIBE, INC. 17 - 83.228.71.0/
The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Oct 3 21:17:30 2008 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
26-09-08282212 172840
27-09-08281895 173376
28-09-08281607 173846
29-09-08282138 174099
30-09-08282044 173861
01-10-08282391 174307
02-10-08282791 172229
03-10-08282818 171922
AS Summary
29547 Number of ASes in routing system
12513 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
5032 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS4538 : ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network
Center
88349184 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 03Oct08 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 282956 171914 11104239.2% All ASes
AS4538 5032 880 415282.5% ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education
and Research Network Center
AS6389 4302 351 395191.8% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
BellSouth.net Inc.
AS209 2948 1332 161654.8% ASN-QWEST - Qwest
Communications Corporation
AS1785 1670 159 151190.5% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
Communications, Inc.
AS6298 2010 714 129664.5% COX-PHX - Cox Communications
Inc.
AS4755 1457 271 118681.4% TATACOMM-AS TATA
Communications formerly VSNL
is Leading ISP
AS17488 1393 307 108678.0% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
Cable Internet
AS4323 1537 596 94161.2% TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
inc.
AS22773 991 86 90591.3% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications
Inc.
AS8151 1411 550 86161.0% Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS19262 956 174 78281.8% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
Internet Services Inc.
AS11492 1212 442 77063.5% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE
AS18566 1057 318 73969.9% COVAD - Covad Communications
Co.
AS18101 781 94 68788.0% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
Internet Data Centre,
AS2386 1557 912 64541.4% INS-AS - AT&T Data
Communications Services
AS9498 682 72 61089.4% BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.
AS6478 1203 597 60650.4% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet
Services
AS3356 1032 539 49347.8% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications
AS855596 108 48881.9% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant
AS4766 914 438 47652.1% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS4808 616 145 47176.5% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
network China169 Beijing
Province Network
AS17676 524 65 45987.6% GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp.
AS9443 524 77 44785.3% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus
Telecommunications
AS20115 1805 1360 44524.7% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter
Communications
AS7011 913 476 43747.9% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
Frontier Communications of
America, Inc.
AS7545 586 149 43774.6% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
Pty Ltd
AS22047 564 128 43677.3% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A.
AS24560 593 157 43673.5% AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti
Airtel Ltd., Telemedia
Services
AS7018 1433 999 434
Re: NANOG 44 (Los Angeles): ISP Security BOF
I would love (though I'll miss it in person) to see a discussion, structured, of why the Intercage/Atrivo situation got to where it was. I believe that in many (this one in particular) cases the upstream networks do not: 1) get 2) have relevant information in a useful format about abuse/use of their downstream networks. When I was at AS701 there were consistently folks who'd say this or that customer is obviously bad, why hadn't we disconnected them? When looking through abuse tickets for issues we could bring to management as ammo for disconnection often a majority of complaints related to the customer in question were not complete, didn't have enough information, didn't have ANY information in them. How can we, as a community get better at providing complete and useful information (ip, timestamp+timezone, act-that-caused-ire) How can we, as a community, get better at tying together the bits and pieces that are one issue? (atrivo/intercage/ukrtelecom/hostfresh) As an interesting aside, there were many occasions of the last 4 years where some horrible virus/trojan/malware thing got rolling on the internets, tracking it back was fairly simple (for the C&C or distribution site) to AS27595... often folks reporting the issue would say things like: "Oh, that's ukrtelecom, they are in the Ukraine, too bad we can't get hands on the server/router/code/subpoena them..." "Oh, that's something living in hostfresh, in ASPAC, gosh it'd be nice if the FBI/HTC-group could get there and give the provider some trouble..." oddly in many/all of these cases the IP space might have tracked back to somewhere not ARIN related, but an actual traceroute ended inside AS27595. So, tying together these incidents with more complete information would have potentially given the upstreams, or even 27595 if they are to be believed as being in the right and just framed by their bad customers (not my belief, but...), more actionable intelligence about their customer(s) and the ability to make an informed decision (at a management/legal level). -Chris (thanks) This is a set of topics I'd love to see handled in the SP Security BOF. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > NANOG 44 is fast approaching and once again we are looking for topics for > the ISP Security BOF. > If you have any security related topics that you would like to hear about, > not hear about, or (best of all) speak about, please let me know as soon as > possible... > > This is your chance to air your views --- slides are welcome but not > required. > > Danny McPherson and I are going to be moderating this year... > > W > > > >
Upcoming NANOG44 - Hockey in Los Angeles
If you are planning on attending the upcoming NANOG44 conference in Los Angeles and are interested in attending a hockey game. The Los Angeles Kings opening night is against the San Jose Sharks at Staples center Sunday Night.,October 12 at 6PM If there is enough interest Ralph Whitmore will arrange for tickets for all that want to go. He will need a count and money by Wednesday at the latest. Tickets will be priced based on the interest. He will have some ballpark numbers tomorrow after the Kings call him back. If the numbers are enough for a suite (15?), he will get a suite with a NO-Host bar in it. If not he will get good seats for all, though he cannot tell where they will be yet. If you are interested please e-mail Ralph at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASAP so he can get a ballpark number. I'll be sending another email shortly for other activities in the Los Angeles area for those who have some extra time for sightseeing before or after the NANOG/ARIN meetings. Hope to see you all in Los Angeles. Celeste.
Re: Google's PUE
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > Personally, I am glad GOOG is posting their PUE. People who talk about > additional metrics are correct - more information is better. But some > information is better than none, and PUE is a perfectly valid data > point. It doesn't measure everything, but that does not make it > completely useless. Given Google's history of .. shall we say reticence > regarding internal information, it's nice to see SOMETHING from them. > So let's encourage it and see if they release more. Also relevant is this paper: "Power provisioning for a warehouse-sized computer" http://research.google.com/archive/power_provisioning.pdf Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://dotat.at/ GERMAN BIGHT: WEST 5 OR 6 VEERING NORTHWEST 6 TO GALE 8, BACKING SOUTHWEST 5 OR 6 LATER. ROUGH OR VERY ROUGH. SQUALLY SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD.
Weekly Routing Table Report
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 04 Oct, 2008 Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net Detailed Analysis: http://thyme.apnic.net/current/ Analysis Summary BGP routing table entries examined: 270385 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 130450 Deaggregation factor: 2.07 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 131768 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 29399 Prefixes per ASN: 9.20 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 25577 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 12464 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:3822 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 79 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 26 Max AS path prepend of ASN ( 3816) 15 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 560 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 200 Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs: 61 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 10 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:752 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1909012352 Equivalent to 113 /8s, 201 /16s and 55 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 51.5 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 62.5 Percentage of available address space allocated: 82.3 Percentage of address space in use by end-sites: 73.7 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 132791 APNIC Region Analysis Summary - Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:62421 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 23127 APNIC Deaggregation factor:2.70 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 59307 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:26669 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:3389 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 17.50 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:903 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:539 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:3.5 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 377990304 Equivalent to 22 /8s, 135 /16s and 172 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 80.5 APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079 APNIC Address Blocks58/8, 59/8, 60/8, 61/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8, 116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8, 123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, ARIN Region Analysis Summary Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:122827 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:64724 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.90 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:92067 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 35235 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:12493 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 7.37 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:4833 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:1189 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 364498912 Equivalent to 21 /8s, 185 /16s and 207 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 74.9 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153
Re: Go daddy mail services admin
Jeff Kinz wrote: Based on their long term refusal to adjust their policy to conform to PBL intended usage of the list I suspect this issue cannot be corrected. The only answer I have found is to inform the affected people they have to move from GoDaddy to a company that does a better job to correct the problem. GoDaddy is about as worthless of a mail provider and it gets. I can't count the number of times I've had customers get themselves blacklisted by GoDaddy and not be able to get unlisted. Finding a contact number for them used to be damn near impossible. Finding a competent mail admin on the other end actually was impossible. My own company got blacklisted by GoDaddy a little over a year ago. A user with an infected laptop relayed infected email out through the corporate firewall's NAT pool (no longer blindly permitted). GoDaddy's response? The entire /24 used by our corporate firewall was blacklisted intermittently for about 6 months. Our recommendation to our clients and our SP customers is to not use GoDaddy's mail services. Pick a mail provider that's known for being responsive. Justin
RE: Go daddy mail services admin
Yeah they usually simply do /24 blocks. From what I remember in the blacklist 550 response it says a removal link? Something like http://unblock.secureserver.net/?ip=x.x.x.x right? -r -Original Message- From: Justin Shore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:13 PM To: Jeff Kinz; NANOG Subject: Re: Go daddy mail services admin Jeff Kinz wrote: > Based on their long term refusal to adjust their policy to > conform to PBL intended usage of the list I suspect this > issue cannot be corrected. The only answer I have found is > to inform the affected people they have to move from GoDaddy > to a company that does a better job to correct the problem. GoDaddy is about as worthless of a mail provider and it gets. I can't count the number of times I've had customers get themselves blacklisted by GoDaddy and not be able to get unlisted. Finding a contact number for them used to be damn near impossible. Finding a competent mail admin on the other end actually was impossible. My own company got blacklisted by GoDaddy a little over a year ago. A user with an infected laptop relayed infected email out through the corporate firewall's NAT pool (no longer blindly permitted). GoDaddy's response? The entire /24 used by our corporate firewall was blacklisted intermittently for about 6 months. Our recommendation to our clients and our SP customers is to not use GoDaddy's mail services. Pick a mail provider that's known for being responsive. Justin
Re: Go daddy mail services admin
Raymond Corbin wrote: Yeah they usually simply do /24 blocks. From what I remember in the blacklist 550 response it says a removal link? Something like http://unblock.secureserver.net/?ip=x.x.x.x right? I believe that's correct. It's a shame it doesn't accomplish anything (or it never has for me before). I always had to dig until I found a number for them to call and complain. Even then I only succeeded 1 out of every 10 tries or so. Justin
Re: NANOG 44 (Los Angeles): ISP Security BOF
On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: I would love (though I'll miss it in person) to see a discussion, structured, of why the Intercage/Atrivo situation got to where it was. While I realize that this is not quite what you asked for, Esthost has requested some time on the agenda to be able to tell their side of the story... After some deliberations we have decided to give them 10 minutes for a presentation and 10 minutes for questions and answers[0]. We would also welcome any talks presenting the other viewpoint, but ask that they be kept civil and factual (as we have requested from Esthost). W [0]: We have not listed this talk yet as we are waiting for a title and abstract I believe that in many (this one in particular) cases the upstream networks do not: 1) get 2) have relevant information in a useful format about abuse/use of their downstream networks. When I was at AS701 there were consistently folks who'd say this or that customer is obviously bad, why hadn't we disconnected them? When looking through abuse tickets for issues we could bring to management as ammo for disconnection often a majority of complaints related to the customer in question were not complete, didn't have enough information, didn't have ANY information in them. How can we, as a community get better at providing complete and useful information (ip, timestamp+timezone, act-that-caused-ire) How can we, as a community, get better at tying together the bits and pieces that are one issue? (atrivo/intercage/ukrtelecom/hostfresh) As an interesting aside, there were many occasions of the last 4 years where some horrible virus/trojan/malware thing got rolling on the internets, tracking it back was fairly simple (for the C&C or distribution site) to AS27595... often folks reporting the issue would say things like: "Oh, that's ukrtelecom, they are in the Ukraine, too bad we can't get hands on the server/router/code/subpoena them..." "Oh, that's something living in hostfresh, in ASPAC, gosh it'd be nice if the FBI/HTC-group could get there and give the provider some trouble..." oddly in many/all of these cases the IP space might have tracked back to somewhere not ARIN related, but an actual traceroute ended inside AS27595. So, tying together these incidents with more complete information would have potentially given the upstreams, or even 27595 if they are to be believed as being in the right and just framed by their bad customers (not my belief, but...), more actionable intelligence about their customer(s) and the ability to make an informed decision (at a management/legal level). -Chris (thanks) This is a set of topics I'd love to see handled in the SP Security BOF. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, NANOG 44 is fast approaching and once again we are looking for topics for the ISP Security BOF. If you have any security related topics that you would like to hear about, not hear about, or (best of all) speak about, please let me know as soon as possible... This is your chance to air your views --- slides are welcome but not required. Danny McPherson and I are going to be moderating this year... W
Outblaze admins?
Hi There, If there are any people who manage outblaze can they contact me either on or offlist. We've been trying to get a server delisted since September 12th and have been completely unsuccessful. The website doesn't appear to remove the IP and using the contact forms to contact the postmaster has not resulted in any contact from them to us. Thanks, Paul Paul Kelly Technical Director Blacknight Internet Solutions ltd Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers IP Transit Services Tel: +353 (0) 59 9183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.blacknight.ie Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland Company No.: 370845
Re: Hey ISC, thanks for providing free wifi to intercage!
I'll post what I want, when I want and however I want, and no self appointed net nazi is going to tell me otherwise. have a nice weekend, I know I will. On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 22:47, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: > Noel Butler wrote: > [nothing worth having been forwarded several times] > > I'm sure I'll get a nastygram from the kabal for this, but just out of > curiosity, why is talking about broken network protocols and other stuff > "off topic", but talking mindlessly and endlessly about mindless and > pointless drivel (quoting the whole history of the thread with each > entry , top posting to remove whatever residual content there might > have been) is not?
Re: Hey ISC, thanks for providing free wifi to intercage!
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Noel Butler wrote: I'll post what I want, when I want and however I want, and no self appointed net nazi is going to tell me otherwise. Ah! You mentioned the Nazis. Now we know the thread is over. :) We should mention Nazis more often to end threads here. Godwin's law to the rescue. have a nice weekend, I know I will. On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 22:47, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Noel Butler wrote: [nothing worth having been forwarded several times] I'm sure I'll get a nastygram from the kabal for this, but just out of curiosity, why is talking about broken network protocols and other stuff "off topic", but talking mindlessly and endlessly about mindless and pointless drivel (quoting the whole history of the thread with each entry , top posting to remove whatever residual content there might have been) is not?
Re: Outblaze admins?
Taken offlist. ps: Yes, we did reply multiple times - but we do recommend that people dont spam filter email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] precisely to avoid this sort of communication gap. thanks srs On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Paul Kelly :: Blacknight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi There, > > If there are any people who manage outblaze can they contact me either on or > offlist. We've been trying to get a server delisted since September 12th and > have been completely unsuccessful. The website doesn't appear to remove the > IP and using the contact forms to contact the postmaster has not resulted in > any contact from them to us. > > Thanks, > > Paul
Re: Hey ISC, thanks for providing free wifi to intercage!
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Noel Butler wrote: >> >> I'll post what I want, when I want and however I want, and no self >> appointed net nazi is going to tell me otherwise. > > Ah! You mentioned the Nazis. Now we know the thread is over. :) > > We should mention Nazis more often to end threads here. Godwin's law to the > rescue. Deliberate invocation of Hitler does not invoke Godwin's law (courtesy Gym Quirk .. now that's a name from the past.. havent read usenet in about a decade. --srs http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ > 6. "Hitler!" Ha! The thread is over! > > Nope, doesn't work that way. Not only is it wrong to say that a > thread is over when Godwin's Law is invoked anyway (Usenet threads > virtually always outlive their usefulness), but long ago a corollary to > the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki "Quirk" Kogama ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called >"Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. > > Sorry, folks. Nice try, though.
Re: Hey ISC, thanks for providing free wifi to intercage!
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Noel Butler wrote: I'll post what I want, when I want and however I want, and no self appointed net nazi is going to tell me otherwise. Ah! You mentioned the Nazis. Now we know the thread is over. :) We should mention Nazis more often to end threads here. Godwin's law to the rescue. Deliberate invocation of Hitler does not invoke Godwin's law (courtesy Gym Quirk .. now that's a name from the past.. havent read usenet in about a decade. According to another interpretation, any invovation is allowed, although following it is optional and mostly dependent on peer pressure. I just made that up. That guy, did .. too. --srs http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ 6. "Hitler!" Ha! The thread is over! Nope, doesn't work that way. Not only is it wrong to say that a thread is over when Godwin's Law is invoked anyway (Usenet threads virtually always outlive their usefulness), but long ago a corollary to the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki "Quirk" Kogama ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. Sorry, folks. Nice try, though.
RE: Used (SONET) equipment sources/lists?
You could try here, too: http://www.telecomclassifiedads.com/ Frank -Original Message- From: Forrest W. Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:25 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Used (SONET) equipment sources/lists? I'm switching one end of a PtP DS3 to a location which only has fiber to the carrier. As a result, I'm really in need of a Fujitsu FlashWave 4010 or equivalent which can take a sonet-framed OC3 from a carrier and break it out into individual DS3's. So far, my normal sources of used equipment have come up dry - but most of them really only deal with data networking (cisco) stuff, so it's a bit out of their league.A long time ago (you know, like 100 internet years ago), I used to post these type of needs to misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware with good results, but that doesn't look very useful anymore. I'm hoping someone can point me towards a reseller which specializes in this type of stuff, or another source I've overlooked. (and no, eBay isn't a valid answer for this question... I've been watching :) Of course, if someone would like to tell me a easier/different (but still reasonably inexpensive) way to break apart a SONET OC3 such that a far end DS3 can be connected to something like a PA-A3-T3 or a PA-T3 that would work too. Thanks, -forrest
