Re: Renesys Blog Article [Was: Re: the Intercage mess]

2008-09-28 Thread Andrew D Kirch

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Andrew

Henry Linneweh wrote:

If a consensus can be reached here, we have seen a rise in this, that does 
raise concerns
of a RIAA/MPAA type of mindset, which is detrimental
 
vigilante Definition  vigi·lante (vij′ə lan′tē, -län′-) 
noun

1. a member of a vigilance committee
2. any individual who acts outside of legal authority, often violently, 
to punish or avenge a crime, right a perceived wrong, etc.
vigi·lan·tism (vij′ə lan′tiz′əm, -län′-; vij′ə lən tiz′əm) 
noun

the lawless, violent methods, spirit, etc. of vigilantes
 
vigilantism Related Forms

vig′i·lan′·tist adjective
 
vigilantism Usage Examples 
Noun used with modifier
	* 'Internet: But this has come under fire from many who see it as an example of 'Internet vigilantism ' that could destabilize Internet trading. 
Adjective modifier

* self-appointed: We must, moreover, take action which is firm enough 
to pre-empt action by self-appointed vigilantes. 
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- Original Message 
From: Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:02:21 PM
Subject: Re: Renesys Blog Article [Was: Re: the Intercage mess]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Paul Ferguson wrote:
  

Just a side-note: Rensys has an interesting blog article up today on this
Atrivo/Intercage "mess":

http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/09/internet_vigilantism_1.shtml

FYI,



I have but one comment.

There is a difference between Vigilantism as it is perceived today and 
Vigilantism as it is in the dictionary. It means

neighborhood watch.

When the Police is not around, that is something you need. "It's for the 
children".


All in all, very nice blog post. While I feel I can not yet fully comment 
on the whole Atrivo / Intercage depeering movement, there is an underlying

strategy to consider. I will comment at a later date.

Gadi.
  





Routing issue between ICE and Level3

2008-09-28 Thread Ken Gilmour
Good morning,

Is there anyone on this list who works for ICE in Costa Rica? We are
encountering some routing issues between you and Level 3 and Packet
Exchange. Level3 ticket number is available on request. Please contact me
off list.

¿Hay alguien en esta lista, que trabaja para ICE en Costa Rica? Estamos
tropezando con algunos problemas de enrutamiento entre usted y Level3 y
Packet Exchange. Level3 número de billete está disponible a petición.

Gracias!

Thanks and regards,

Ken


Re: breadcrumbs and collusion

2008-09-28 Thread Dave Howe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>   However, it makes little sense to close your gate to keep 
>> the stray dogs out of your yard, if they can just come in via 
>> your neighbour's gate and climb over the fences.
> 
> It makes a lot of sense. Having closed your gate, and discovered
> a stray dog in your back yard, you can call the animal control
> people and they stand a good chance of catching that stray dog.

sounds good. who do you propose would fit the "role" of dogcatcher in
this case, and why haven't they caught the stray yet after 5 years?



Re: rackmount managed PDUs

2008-09-28 Thread Derek J. Balling
I've pretty much completely sworn off 0U/Vertical PDUs.[1] In my  
experience, unless you're able to have on-hand, prior to cutting  
checks, all of the following: sample cabinets, sample servers, sample  
PDUs, you will NOT end up with a combo that doesn't suck in some  
fashion. Whether it's PDUs that block access to rear rails (as APC's  
0Us do, even in their own cabinets), or PDUs which have their supply  
cables come out of the PDU horizontally, blocking access to whole  
portions of the rear of the cabinet (as the HP 3-phase 208V60A PDUs do  
if used in anything other than the specially crafted HP cabinets).  
Never again.


To be honest, we made the decision simply to dedicate 4U (and 2U of  
horizontal cable-management) to our cabinet PDUs, and it's a decision  
I don't regret.


Cheers,
D

[1] http://blog.megacity.org/archives/2008/03/0u-pdus/



Re: Renesys Blog Article [Was: Re: the Intercage mess]

2008-09-28 Thread Rich Kulawiec
I'll argue that the term "vigilante" doesn't belong in this conversation.
(Apologies to those who have seen this reasoning elsewhere.)

Nobody did anything *to* them, it's just that folks stopped doing
things *for* them, as an act of self-defense after many years of
non-stop, prolific abuse.

---Rsk