Re: mutt manual: i have bad startings into learning mutt

2018-02-08 Thread ant
kalle wrote:
> hello,
>
> In the manual v.1.9.2, chapter "2.1 Index" it says
>
> "The index is the screen that you usually see first when you start Mutt. 
> It gives an overview over your emails in the currently opened mailbox."
>
> The problem is: there are no mails to see, because there is no mailbox 
> of mine open and I don't know how to do this.
>
>
> It is the third time already that I try to learn mutt but having no 
> mails to start with, not knowing what is meant by a 'mailbox' and how to 
> administrate it, even when reading in the newbie manual not getting to a 
> point.
>
> I usually use thunderbird and thus already have some experience with 
> e-mail, but what I got from trying to learn mutt is just depressing for me.

  sorry for your troubles and frustration, but there are
things we'd need to know to help you further.

  what type of set up do you have?  how are you
running mutt?

  do you get your mail through your ISP or through
some other provider?

  in my case i run linux and use mutt from a terminal
aka text type screen.

  to get my e-mail from the remote place where it is
stored for me i have to use a program which goes and
gets it and puts it on my local machine for my own
reading.

  to send e-mail i also had to configure mutt to do
that too.

  it can take some time to get through the various
steps but some tools can help there.

  the debug option when running mutt is one of them.


  songbird



Re: mutt manual: i have bad startings into learning mutt

2018-02-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-02-08 05:04, Ken Moffat wrote:

> A few minutes gargling suggests that, at least on a previous ubuntu
> version, thunderbird stored mail somewhere under ~/.thunderbird.

But isn't that just a cache analogous to mutt's header cache?

Even if it does store the full content, is it likely to be in a format
that mutt can read (unix mbox or maildir)?  Not very, I think; much more
likely to be an indexed binary format specific to Thunderbird.

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Re: mutt manual: i have bad startings into learning mutt

2018-02-08 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 08:46:09AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 05:04, Ken Moffat wrote:
> 
> > A few minutes gargling suggests that, at least on a previous ubuntu
> > version, thunderbird stored mail somewhere under ~/.thunderbird.
> 
> But isn't that just a cache analogous to mutt's header cache?
> 
> Even if it does store the full content, is it likely to be in a format
> that mutt can read (unix mbox or maildir)?  Not very, I think; much more
> likely to be an indexed binary format specific to Thunderbird.
> 

from http://kb.mozillazine.org/Importing_and_exporting_your_mail

Thunderbird, Netscape, Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey use mbox files to
store the messages for a folder. The ImportExportTools extension can
import and export mbox and .EML files. Many email clients use mbox
files (regardless of whether they use no file extension, .mbx or .mbox
as the file extension) to store messages or provide a way to export
folders as mbox or .EML files due to the popularity of Eudora and
Outlook Express. Sometimes email clients use "Unix format" to refer
to a mbox file since the format was originally developed for Unix
systems.

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Re: mutt manual: i have bad startings into learning mutt

2018-02-08 Thread Wim

On Wednesday, 07 February at 22:37, kalle wrote:

Hi kalle,

the manual is an excellent resource but difficult for new users. The 
Arch wiki might be a better place to start.


https://wiki/archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt

Or 


https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Mutt/

My set up is a combination of neomutt, msmtp to send mail, getmail to 
get mail and vim to write mail. Mutt can of course send and get mail 
itself. It's your choice how you organise your email. Start off simply, 
send yourself an email and see if things work. Other good resources are 
listed in the Arch wiki.


By the way Thunderbird uses another email format than Mutt. mb2md can be 
used to convert to the Maildir format.


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hello,

In the manual v.1.9.2, chapter "2.1 Index" it says

"The index is the screen that you usually see first when you start 
Mutt. It gives an overview over your emails in the currently opened 
mailbox."


The problem is: there are no mails to see, because there is no mailbox 
of mine open and I don't know how to do this.



It is the third time already that I try to learn mutt but having no 
mails to start with, not knowing what is meant by a 'mailbox' and how 
to administrate it, even when reading in the newbie manual not getting 
to a point.


I usually use thunderbird and thus already have some experience with 
e-mail, but what I got from trying to learn mutt is just depressing 
for me.



greetings,

kalle



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Re: mutt manual: i have bad startings into learning mutt

2018-02-08 Thread Wim
Hi kalle,

My mistake. The Arch wiki page should be:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt

Regards Wim

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