folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the 'To:'
header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is such
a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm wrong
please). so perhaps a macro?

how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
right now i have:
set record = /dev/null

but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
suggestions?

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?

check the "subscribed" section of your example .muttrc or the mutt docs.

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Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:09]:
> right now i have:
> set record = /dev/null
> 
> but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
> suggestions?

use the force, luke

check "man muttrc" and look for record

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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?
> 
> check the "subscribed" section of your example .muttrc or the mutt docs.

i was just reading that and actually just added that to muttrc. here is the
thing though, it just adds the 'L' to the threads/msgs that belong to the
list. i doesn't _skip_ the 'To:' part of mail composition.
i mean i don't see how ``subscribe'' is relevant here.

Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:27:34PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:09]:
> > right now i have:
> > set record = /dev/null
> > 
> > but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
> > suggestions?
> 
> use the force, luke
> 
> check "man muttrc" and look for record

you mean $force_name ?

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?

maybe i can use my_hdr

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:38]:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?
> > 
> > check the "subscribed" section of your example .muttrc or the mutt docs.
> 
> i was just reading that and actually just added that to muttrc. here is the
> thing though, it just adds the 'L' to the threads/msgs that belong to the
> list. i doesn't _skip_ the 'To:' part of mail composition.
> i mean i don't see how ``subscribe'' is relevant here.

There is more the the very good man pages of mutt.

How are you trying to "reply to list"?  Are you using the "L" key as
described in the fine manual?
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Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:41]:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:27:34PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:09]:
> > > right now i have:
> > > set record = /dev/null
> > > 
> > > but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
> > > suggestions?
> > 
> > use the force, luke
> > 
> > check "man muttrc" and look for record
> 
> you mean $force_name ?

No, I mean to read the man pages.  Did you look for "record" in "man
muttrc".  It is explained there.

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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 

starting a thread is the problem. to reply to a mailing list, list-reply
works just fine. but when one wants to start a thread, that's when you need
to skip the 'To:'

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:44:58PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> How are you trying to "reply to list"?  Are you using the "L" key as
> described in the fine manual?

yes. i'm not talking about _reply_, i'm talking about starting a thread.

Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread Rejo Zenger 
++ 02/02/14 14:06 -0500 - glphvgacs:
>right now i have:
>set record = /dev/null
>
>but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
>suggestions?

Untested, but I presume "unset record" will work.

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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:46]:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?
> 
> maybe i can use my_hdr

why?

Didn't you ask about mail-lists?

>From the fine manual, "subscribed" tells mutt about the mailing lists you
are subscribed to and allows mutt to assign a to and from address for
*that* list.  You also need to set up aliases and, perhaps, send-hooks,
for the "subscribed" lists.

There are *many* ways to accomplish things in mutt, some simple and some
convoluted.

check
subscribed
from
alternates
send-hook

and probably others that I don't recall.

for this list, I have:

send-hook mutt- 'my_hdr From: Patrick Shanahan '
subscribe mutt-users
alternates xxx
set From:  xxx

and ... 
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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:54]:
> 
> starting a thread is the problem. to reply to a mailing list, list-reply
> works just fine.  but when one wants to start a thread, that's when you
> need to skip the 'To:'

Then list-reply to an existing thread, and remove the "In-Reply-To:"
header and adjust the Subject:.

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Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:45:51PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:41]:
> > On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:27:34PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:09]:
> > > > right now i have:
> > > > set record = /dev/null
> > > > 
> > > > but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
> > > > suggestions?
> > > 
> > > use the force, luke
> > > 
> > > check "man muttrc" and look for record
> > 
> > you mean $force_name ?
> 
> No, I mean to read the man pages.  Did you look for "record" in "man
> muttrc".  It is explained there.

$record is a path, i'm looking for a boolean.
i asked about $force_name because it overwrites $record, i thought you mean
that since obviously i know what record does, if cared to read the
question. much less than the man page i might add.

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Rejo Zenger 
++ 02/02/14 14:05 -0500 - glphvgacs:
>when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the 'To:'
>header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
>i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is such
>a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm wrong
>please). so perhaps a macro?

Untested, probably something like the following will work:

  unmy_hdr To:



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Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 08:53:57PM +0100, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> Untested, but I presume "unset record" will work.

nice, thanks.

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 03:01:41PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:54]:
> > 
> > starting a thread is the problem. to reply to a mailing list, list-reply
> > works just fine.  but when one wants to start a thread, that's when you
> > need to skip the 'To:'
> 
> Then list-reply to an existing thread, and remove the "In-Reply-To:"
> header and adjust the Subject:.

that's your solution? never mind.

font to get thread line-drawing characters?

2014-02-02 Thread Louis-David Mitterrand 
Hi,

What font should I use in xterm to get proper line-drawing chars to
display threads in mutt?

Thanks,

Re: how do disable Fcc?

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* glphvgacs  [02-02-14 15:08]:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:45:51PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:41]:
> > > On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:27:34PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:09]:
> > > > > right now i have:
> > > > > set record = /dev/null
> > > > > 
> > > > > but i have a feeling that's not the canonical way of doing this. any
> > > > > suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > use the force, luke
> > > > 
> > > > check "man muttrc" and look for record
> > > 
> > > you mean $force_name ?
> > 
> > No, I mean to read the man pages.  Did you look for "record" in "man
> > muttrc".  It is explained there.
> 
> $record is a path, i'm looking for a boolean.
> i asked about $force_name because it overwrites $record, i thought you mean
> that since obviously i know what record does, if cared to read the
> question. much less than the man page i might add.

Well then, fwiw, I have the same interest.  
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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:57:13PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:46]:
> > On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > > > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > > > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > > > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > > > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > > > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?
> > 
> > maybe i can use my_hdr
> 
> why?
> 
> Didn't you ask about mail-lists?
> 
> From the fine manual, "subscribed" tells mutt about the mailing lists you
> are subscribed to and allows mutt to assign a to and from address for
> *that* list.  You also need to set up aliases and, perhaps, send-hooks,
> for the "subscribed" lists.

where doesn't it say "assing a to and from"?

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 09:00:56PM +0100, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> ++ 02/02/14 14:05 -0500 - glphvgacs:
> >when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the 'To:'
> >header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> >i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is such
> >a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm wrong
> >please). so perhaps a macro?
> 
> Untested, probably something like the following will work:
> 
>   unmy_hdr To:

my_hdr To: works, almost. 
folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\
 my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org'

it fills up the To: header but it's missing '\n' to go
to Subject:
i tried this but didn't work:
 my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org\n'

is there a way to add the '\n' there?

Re: font to get thread line-drawing characters?

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Louis-David Mitterrand  [02-02-14 15:19]:
> What font should I use in xterm to get proper line-drawing chars to
> display threads in mutt?

I would say to use any that contain those chars as all do not, but your
problem may be more related to charset than the fonts.  I use en_US.UTF-8,
but you might prefer fr.UFT-8

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Re: font to get thread line-drawing characters?

2014-02-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Patrick Shanahan  [02-02-14 15:30]:
> * Louis-David Mitterrand  [02-02-14 
> 15:19]:
> > What font should I use in xterm to get proper line-drawing chars to
> > display threads in mutt?
> 
> I would say to use any that contain those chars as all do not, but your
> problem may be more related to charset than the fonts.  I use en_US.UTF-8,
> but you might prefer fr.UFT-8


ps: I use it as a system-wide setting:
  locale:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

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sidebar_{width,refresh} in man muttrc

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 

is that swapped or what?

Re: font to get thread line-drawing characters?

2014-02-02 Thread Will Yardley 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 03:27:51PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Louis-David Mitterrand  [02-02-14 
> 15:19]:
> > What font should I use in xterm to get proper line-drawing chars to
> > display threads in mutt?
> 
> I would say to use any that contain those chars as all do not, but your
> problem may be more related to charset than the fonts.  I use en_US.UTF-8,
> but you might prefer fr.UFT-8

Make sure your terminal is setup correctly and supports ACS characters.

w

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:57:13PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:46]:
> > On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 02:24:19PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * glphvgacs  [02-02-14 14:06]:
> > > > when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > > > 'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > > > i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is
> > > > such a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm
> > > > wrong please).  so perhaps a macro?
> > 
> > maybe i can use my_hdr
> 
> why?

folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\
 my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org'

that's why.
in fact passing an '\n' at the end would be nice too.

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread David J. Weller-Fahy 
* glphvgacs  [2014-02-02 14:28 -0600]:
> > ++ 02/02/14 14:05 -0500 - glphvgacs:
> > >when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > >'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> 
> is there a way to add the '\n' there?

I didn't find a way to add the '\n', instead I looked for another way to
skip that prompt entirely.  For each mailing list you want to use in
this way, do the following.

#v+
folder-hook .   "unset autoedit; set edit_headers=yes"
folder-hook '=lists\.mutt-users'"set autoedit=yes; set edit_headers=yes"
folder-hook .   "unmy_hdr To:"
folder-hook '=lists\.mutt-users'"my_hdr To: mutt-users@mutt.org"
#v-

Note that both "set autoedit=yes" and "set edit_headers=yes" together
are what gets you to the message without setting the recipient first.
Also note that the folder-hook to execute in all other folders is based
on my defaults, change to suit.  Also, also note that the folder name is
based on my folder layout, not yours, so that'll have to change.

See section "3.18. autoedit" in TFM.

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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread Gary Johnson 
On 2014-02-02, glphvgacs wrote:
> when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the 'To:'
> header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> i don't think a folder-hook would do this since i don't think there is such
> a thing as 'set to = ' in configuration file (correct me if i'm wrong
> please). so perhaps a macro?

Yes.  Here is what I do.  I have a separate folder for each list to
which I'm subscribed and a folder-hook for each of those lists.  I
also use aliases to expand the list name to the full address of the
list.

Here are the hook and alias I use for mutt-users:

folder-hook +Incoming/mutt-users\
'macro index M "mutt-users^M^M"   "mail to list"'

alias mutt-usersmutt-users@mutt.org

Note that the "^M" is an ASCII carat followed by an ASCII upper-case
M.

With that, I type M to send a new message to the list and the first
prompt I see is for the Subject.

Regards,
Gary

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread glphvgacs 
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 05:45:54PM -0600, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote:
> * glphvgacs  [2014-02-02 14:28 -0600]:
> > > ++ 02/02/14 14:05 -0500 - glphvgacs:
> > > >when starting the Mail composition in mutt, is there a way skip the
> > > >'To:' header by filling it up based on a given pattern?
> > 
> > is there a way to add the '\n' there?
> 
> I didn't find a way to add the '\n', instead I looked for another way to
> skip that prompt entirely.  For each mailing list you want to use in
> this way, do the following.
> 
> #v+
> folder-hook . "unset autoedit; set edit_headers=yes"
> folder-hook '=lists\.mutt-users'  "set autoedit=yes; set edit_headers=yes"
> folder-hook . "unmy_hdr To:"
> folder-hook '=lists\.mutt-users'  "my_hdr To: mutt-users@mutt.org"
> #v-

now that is what i'm talking about. great stuff, thanks.

> Note that both "set autoedit=yes" and "set edit_headers=yes" together
> are what gets you to the message without setting the recipient first.
> Also note that the folder-hook to execute in all other folders is based
> on my defaults, change to suit.  

i already had:
  set edit_header=yes
so i added this to muttrc:
  unset autoedit

and this to hooks:
  folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\
set autoedit=yes
my_hdr To:'
  folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\ 
my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org'

> Also, also note that the folder name is
> based on my folder layout, not yours, so that'll have to change.

np, i use mutt-kz and folder are actually vfolder and easy grep (Get with
rexp)

> See section "3.18. autoedit" in TFM.

a 'see also' pointer to that from mailing list section would be nice.

Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread David J. Weller-Fahy 
* glphvgacs  [2014-02-02 18:25 -0600]:
> now that is what i'm talking about. great stuff, thanks.

You're welcome.

> and this to hooks:
>   folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\
> set autoedit=yes
> my_hdr To:'
>   folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\ 
> my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org'

FYI, you may be able to merge those into one folder-hook.

> np, i use mutt-kz and folder are actually vfolder and easy grep (Get
> with rexp)

Ah: I'll have to check that out at some point.

> > See section "3.18. autoedit" in TFM.
> 
> a 'see also' pointer to that from mailing list section would be nice.

Hrm... I may have to put together a patch for that... have to gather
enough round tuits first. ;)

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Re: folder-hook for sending to lists

2014-02-02 Thread David J. Weller-Fahy 
* glphvgacs  [2014-02-02 18:25 -0600]:
> and this to hooks:
>   folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\
> set autoedit=yes
> my_hdr To:'
>   folder-hook to:mutt-users@mutt.org '\ 
> my_hdr To:mutt-users@mutt.org'

By the way, you may want to check your hooks thoroughly, as a second
address seems to have crept into your response.  The second address
includes a trailing single quote (').  The "To:" header I received from
you via the mailing list is below.

#v+
To: mutt-users@mutt.org, mutt-users@mutt.org'
#v-

This may or may not be related to the trailing space I noticed in your
hooks (the trailing space i on the first line of the second folder-hook
in the quoted content above).

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