pressing 'g' truncates

2009-08-13 Thread Ravi Uday
hi

after reading mail, when i press 'g' to reply-to-all
i see mail msg is truncated to some bytes.
How to get whole mail alongside my reply.

- ravi


Re: pressing 'g' truncates

2009-08-13 Thread Kyle Wheeler
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On Thursday, August 13 at 05:21 PM, quoth Ravi Uday:
>after reading mail, when i press 'g' to reply-to-all
>i see mail msg is truncated to some bytes.
>How to get whole mail alongside my reply.

Hmm, it's not *supposed* to be truncated. Is there something unusual 
about one particular message, or are ALL messages truncated?

~Kyle
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What is the best way to approach "Deleted" mail removal from mail servers?

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Grinberg
Hi there,

So, let's say my fetchmail keeps all the mail on the mail server after
mail download is complete.

But sometimes you have spam, and other stuff that you usually delete
(D).
Emails stay on the mail server, and they hold space.

How to properly delete mail if you know mail id???

>From header for example?
id 0MKobQ-1MbZNH0Ib7-0001n6 for j...@panther.com; Thu, 13 Aug 2009
08:25:43 -0400

Ideally I want mutt to add those "ids" to some dummy file, which I then
pipe to some kind removal utility.

Thanks,
Paul




Re: What is the best way to approach "Deleted" mail removal from

2009-08-13 Thread Kyle Wheeler
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On Thursday, August 13 at 10:38 AM, quoth Paul Grinberg:
> So, let's say my fetchmail keeps all the mail on the mail server 
> after mail download is complete.

Without being rude, let me stop you right there. Fetchmail with the 
"leave it on the server" option is PROBABLY a bad setup for you. It 
was originally intended for POP3 servers, as a workaround for the fact 
that POP3 is phenomenally bad at handling multiple clients. It's a 
hack, intended for specific and usually temporary situations (where a 
certain amount of hackery is tolerable), not as a long-term solution.

If you have no choice but to use POP3, I highly recommend you use mutt 
to access your POP3 server directly. With the message and header 
caching, it can be just as fast as a fetchmail-based option, and it 
handles things like deleted messages much better.

If you're using fetchmail and "leave it on the server" with IMAP... 
you'd probably be better served by using the tool "offlineimap", which 
handles this sort of thing extremely well.

> But sometimes you have spam, and other stuff that you usually delete 
> (D). Emails stay on the mail server, and they hold space.

Indeed, as you instructed your software to do.

> How to properly delete mail if you know mail id???

Well, assuming you're using a fetchmail/POP3 setup, there's no real 
solution that meets the "properly" category without either ditching 
fetchmail or ditching the "leave it on the server" option.

But assuming you'll ignore my advice above, here's more hackery you 
could do. First, you'd need a script that will identify messages on a 
POP3 server based on a Message-ID or something similar. The problem, 
of course, is that POP3 has no means of "searching" messages other 
than by doing it the old fashioned way (download each one). Where IMAP 
gives each message a unique, long-term UID number, POP3 does not (it 
has UIDs, but they only last as long as the POP3 connection). So, you 
would need to write a perl script (or use some other language) that, 
given an input full-text message, would download every message on your 
POP3 server until it found a message that matched the one you had. You 
have to do a full-text matching (rather than just a header-based or 
message-id-based matching) because POP3 has no concept of "headers" 
(though you may be able to do some optimizing of this, using the POP3 
TOP command, downloading just enough of each message to uniquely 
identify it).

Once you have such a script (let's call it "pop3-delete.pl"), you can 
hook it into mutt by creating a special "delete" macro that you would 
use whenever you want to delete a message from the server as well as 
from your local copy. It would look something like this:

macro index D '~/.pop3-delete.pl'

> Ideally I want mutt to add those "ids" to some dummy file, which I 
> then pipe to some kind removal utility.

Or you could do that, though it seems even more roundabout than what I 
was describing.

I'm not aware of any pre-existing tools to do what you're describing, 
though.

Good luck!

~Kyle
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Re: What is the best way to approach "Deleted" mail removal from

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Grinberg
Hi Kyle,

Thank you for the advice :))) I am using fetchmail + POP3. I will try
your suggestion it regaring mutt e-mail download.

fetchmail skips mail download based on ~/.fetchids file.
Just for a sake of "fun" I will try to "make" that Perl utility,
meanwhile will use mutt POP3 implementation. I guess your idea regarding
POP3 TOP will work.

Btw, can mutt run mail download offline?
And also, can mutt, let's say on "D", parse message befor deleting it,
and drop that "id line" in some other file? meaning what would me macro
example?

Thank you,
Paul


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From: owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org [mailto:owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org] On
Behalf Of Kyle Wheeler
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:05 AM
To: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Re: What is the best way to approach "Deleted" mail removal
from

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On Thursday, August 13 at 10:38 AM, quoth Paul Grinberg:
> So, let's say my fetchmail keeps all the mail on the mail server 
> after mail download is complete.

Without being rude, let me stop you right there. Fetchmail with the 
"leave it on the server" option is PROBABLY a bad setup for you. It 
was originally intended for POP3 servers, as a workaround for the fact 
that POP3 is phenomenally bad at handling multiple clients. It's a 
hack, intended for specific and usually temporary situations (where a 
certain amount of hackery is tolerable), not as a long-term solution.

If you have no choice but to use POP3, I highly recommend you use mutt 
to access your POP3 server directly. With the message and header 
caching, it can be just as fast as a fetchmail-based option, and it 
handles things like deleted messages much better.

If you're using fetchmail and "leave it on the server" with IMAP... 
you'd probably be better served by using the tool "offlineimap", which 
handles this sort of thing extremely well.

> But sometimes you have spam, and other stuff that you usually delete 
> (D). Emails stay on the mail server, and they hold space.

Indeed, as you instructed your software to do.

> How to properly delete mail if you know mail id???

Well, assuming you're using a fetchmail/POP3 setup, there's no real 
solution that meets the "properly" category without either ditching 
fetchmail or ditching the "leave it on the server" option.

But assuming you'll ignore my advice above, here's more hackery you 
could do. First, you'd need a script that will identify messages on a 
POP3 server based on a Message-ID or something similar. The problem, 
of course, is that POP3 has no means of "searching" messages other 
than by doing it the old fashioned way (download each one). Where IMAP 
gives each message a unique, long-term UID number, POP3 does not (it 
has UIDs, but they only last as long as the POP3 connection). So, you 
would need to write a perl script (or use some other language) that, 
given an input full-text message, would download every message on your 
POP3 server until it found a message that matched the one you had. You 
have to do a full-text matching (rather than just a header-based or 
message-id-based matching) because POP3 has no concept of "headers" 
(though you may be able to do some optimizing of this, using the POP3 
TOP command, downloading just enough of each message to uniquely 
identify it).

Once you have such a script (let's call it "pop3-delete.pl"), you can 
hook it into mutt by creating a special "delete" macro that you would 
use whenever you want to delete a message from the server as well as 
from your local copy. It would look something like this:

macro index D '~/.pop3-delete.pl'

> Ideally I want mutt to add those "ids" to some dummy file, which I 
> then pipe to some kind removal utility.

Or you could do that, though it seems even more roundabout than what I 
was describing.

I'm not aware of any pre-existing tools to do what you're describing, 
though.

Good luck!

~Kyle
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Quick suggestion

2009-08-13 Thread Edd Barrett
Hi Guys,

What do you think of a progress indication when you close a large
mailbox. I use mutt with gmail and frequently when I close a mailing
list folder it takes a while. User feedback would be nice :)

-- 
Best Regards

Edd Barrett
(Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer)

http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett


Re: Quick suggestion

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Grinberg
16000 emails. 395M. -> 10 seconds.


Best,
Paul


-Original Message-
From: owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org [mailto:owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org] On Behalf Of 
Edd Barrett
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:53 AM
To: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Quick suggestion

Hi Guys,

What do you think of a progress indication when you close a large
mailbox. I use mutt with gmail and frequently when I close a mailing
list folder it takes a while. User feedback would be nice :)

-- 
Best Regards

Edd Barrett
(Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer)

http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett


Re: What is the best way to approach "Deleted" mail removal from

2009-08-13 Thread Kyle Wheeler
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On Thursday, August 13 at 11:43 AM, quoth Paul Grinberg:
> Thank you for the advice :))) I am using fetchmail + POP3. I will 
> try your suggestion it regaring mutt e-mail download.

You're welcome! :)

> Btw, can mutt run mail download offline?

I must be misunderstanding you. Are you asking whether mutt can 
download your email while not connected to the network? (The answer 
is: not anymore than your web browser can surf Google without being 
connected to the network (aka "NO").)

But mutt DOES have a message cache (if you enable it) that you can 
inspect without being online. See the documentation of 
'message_cachedir'.

> And also, can mutt, let's say on "D", parse message befor deleting it, 
> and drop that "id line" in some other file? meaning what would me macro 
> example?

No, it can't, but (as I demonstrated in my last email) you can bind 
the "D" keypress to a macro that will feed the message to a script of 
your choosing that can do whatever you like (including locate some 
sort of "id" and drop that into a file) just before deleting it.

~Kyle
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Re: Quick suggestion

2009-08-13 Thread Edd Barrett
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Paul Grinberg wrote:
> 16000 emails. 395M. -> 10 seconds.

Is that a gmail account?

-- 
Best Regards

Edd Barrett
(Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer)

http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett


Re: Quick suggestion

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Grinberg
Not gmail. thought you are asking in general. 


Best,
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Edd Barrett [mailto:vex...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:16 PM
To: Paul Grinberg
Cc: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Re: Quick suggestion

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Paul Grinberg wrote:
> 16000 emails. 395M. -> 10 seconds.

Is that a gmail account?

-- 
Best Regards

Edd Barrett
(Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer)

http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett


Re: specifying a browser

2009-08-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi,

* Robert Holtzman wrote:

> According to the mutt manual, to start a www browser an external program
> has to be downloaded from ftp://ftp.guug.de/pub/mutt/contrib/. The problem
> is I get a "Failed to Connect" error. I can connect to www.guug.de but, of
> course that does me no good. Any ideas welcomed.

What mutt version are you using? Yours is referring to an outdated site,
sett:

http://dev.mutt.org/doc/manual.html#urlview

You're looking for the "urlview" program, but some Linux distros provide
it as a separate package to install.

Rocco


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Re: why is there no auto $ (save changes to mailbox)?

2009-08-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi,

* Marc Vaillant wrote:

> Can't this easily be controlled?  set delete=ask-yes.   If that's not
> enough,  it suggests that deleting messages should be abstracted from
> sync-mailbox so that you can sync flags and delete messages
> independently.  Loosing reply flags on e.g. support email--where you
> often can't remember if you've replied b/c you don't know the person and
> you're answering the same question over and over--is really a pain. 

Sure, there must be a way to turn it off if this feature was added.  I
see the problem that flags may get lost between them being set and
synced. But in your case where this is critical, a macro will do it.

Splitting mailbox syncing into sync-message and sync-flags begs for
trouble and makes mutt even more complex, so from my point of view such
a split is a no-go.

Rocco


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Re: why is there no auto $ (save changes to mailbox)?

2009-08-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi,

* Rejo Zenger wrote:

> If it's off by default, I think this functionality would be a usefull 
> addition. It's not something I am missing now per se, but I would 
> consider start using it when it's available. 

The problem with adding new options for features is that if you don't
follow the development closely enough, read this list regularly or spend
lots of time one reading, you maybe never find out about interesting
things. Now that you now know about a potential new feature, you "would"
consider using it which doesn't mean you "will" because you like it
enough.

When 1.6 will be released, it'll have 300+ variables for a new user to
get used to, and still 70+ for somebody upgrading from 1.4. Of course,
most of it is useless to you, but you need to read about it first to
make that conclusion.

So, I'm not a big fan of new features that is not support by lots of
users (in the end, with mutt-ng we made this mistake once which was one
of the reasons leading to its death.)

Rocco


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Re: signature-scripts

2009-08-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi,

* Paul Grinberg wrote:

> [u...@panther ~]$ cat .signature
> #!/bin/bash
> echo "Paul Grinberg"
> echo "PGP key: 0xE3175CCF"
> echo ""
> echo "Fortune Cookie:"
> fortune -s wisdom
> echo ""

> [u...@panther ~]$ cat .muttrc | grep sig
> set sig_on_top=yes
> set signature="~/.signature |"

So you're well-prepared to take some critics from netiquette gardians?

A signature should be at most 72 chars and 4 lines.
And never atop the text you quote.

Rocco


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hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread dv1445
Hello,

Sometime in the last few days, it appears that the hdr_order setting in my 
muttrc is being ignored by mutt.  I just noticed it today, with the Aug. 13 
nightly, but it may have gone haywire in the last few days.

In my muttrc, I have these three lines:

ignore * 
unignore from date subject to cc bcc user-agent x-user-agent x-mailer
hdr_order User-Agent: X-User-Agent: X-Mailer: Date: From: To: Cc: Bcc: Subject: 

And for a long, long time mutt happily displayed headers in the order I 
specified.  However, now mutt insists on putting "User-Agent" last when I view 
a mail.  I trashed my header cache, thinking that might do something (using 
tokyocabinet, the header caches sometimes preserve my color settings---weird).

That didn't help.  So I experimented with my muttrc, and moved Date: to last, 
just to see if mutt was paying attention to hdr_order.  Alas, mutt did not move 
the display of Date to the end.  Mutt appears to not be looking at hdr_order at 
all.

In fact, if I change the order of things in "unignore", I *still* don't get any 
change in the display order.

Has anyone else seen this?
-gmn




Re: hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread Kyle Wheeler
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On Thursday, August 13 at 07:40 PM, quoth dv1...@wayne.edu:
> Sometime in the last few days, it appears that the hdr_order setting 
> in my muttrc is being ignored by mutt.  I just noticed it today, 
> with the Aug. 13 nightly, but it may have gone haywire in the last 
> few days.

Sounds like it's being overridden by some other Muttrc (e.g. 
/etc/Muttrc or /usr/local/etc/Muttrc).

~Kyle
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-- Somerset Maugham
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Re: hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread dv1445
> On Thursday, August 13 at 07:40 PM, quoth dv1...@wayne.edu:
> > Sometime in the last few days, it appears that the hdr_order setting 
> > in my muttrc is being ignored by mutt.  I just noticed it today, 
> > with the Aug. 13 nightly, but it may have gone haywire in the last 
> > few days.
> 
> Sounds like it's being overridden by some other Muttrc (e.g. 
> /etc/Muttrc or /usr/local/etc/Muttrc).

Well, I found /usr/local/etc/Muttrc, and it does have unignore and hdr_order in 
there.  I commented them out, and now mutt reads my settings.  But:

(1) Isn't my muttrc supposed to override /usr/local/etc/muttrc when they 
conflict?
(2) Why would this behavior have just begun in the last few days, when the 
/usr/local/etc/muttrc has had those settings for a long time?

Weird.
-gmn


Re: hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
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Hi,

* dv1...@wayne.edu wrote:

> Well, I found /usr/local/etc/Muttrc, and it does have unignore and
> hdr_order in there.  I commented them out, and now mutt reads my
> settings.  But:

> (1) Isn't my muttrc supposed to override /usr/local/etc/muttrc when
> they conflict?

With mutt config files, there's no notion of conflicts, there cannot
be. It reads them in line by line and remembers the setting internally
somehow. This means they're always applied on top of one another.

Rocco


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Re: hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread dv1445
> > (1) Isn't my muttrc supposed to override /usr/local/etc/muttrc when
> > they conflict?
> 
> With mutt config files, there's no notion of conflicts, there cannot
> be. It reads them in line by line and remembers the setting internally
> somehow. This means they're always applied on top of one another.

Then, does mutt read /usr/local/etc/Muttrc after it reads ~/.muttrc?

I see that /usr.../muttrc defines a macro from \cb.  I also in my home muttrc 
have made a macro from \cb, yet mutt remembers my macro and doesn't remember my 
setting for hdr_order.
-gmn



Re: hdr_order not working

2009-08-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Aug2009 22:25, dv1...@wayne.edu  wrote:
| > > (1) Isn't my muttrc supposed to override /usr/local/etc/muttrc when
| > > they conflict?
| > 
| > With mutt config files, there's no notion of conflicts, there cannot
| > be. It reads them in line by line and remembers the setting internally
| > somehow. This means they're always applied on top of one another.
| 
| Then, does mutt read /usr/local/etc/Muttrc after it reads ~/.muttrc?
| 
| I see that /usr.../muttrc defines a macro from \cb.  I also in my
| home muttrc have made a macro from \cb, yet mutt remembers my macro and
| doesn't remember my setting for hdr_order.

It _should_ read your muttrc last.
Is it possibly that you are failing to _undo_ something that was set in
/usr/local/etc/muttrc?

Can you post all your hdr_order and associated lines?

And a copy of the lines you removed from the main muttrc.

Then we can see what muttrc sees and deduce what it saw for comparison.
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