Re: Sending mime encoded attachments with correct type

[James Marsh]

On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:44:58PM -0700, John Iverson wrote:

>> I am however having a problem with sending attached images with the
>> correct mime types --- they're appearing as application/octet-stream
>> rather than image/jpeg. Have I missed something in the mailcap file?
>
>Maybe /etc/mime.types or ~/.mime.types instead, something like:
>
>image/jpeg  jpeg jpg jpe

Yes, that's what I thought too. Unfortunately it didn't work.  My
~~/.mailcap currently looks like this (I've broken the long lines for
this email):

---
image/jpeg jpeg jpg jpe ; qiv -m %s ; nametemplate=%s.jpg
image/gif gif ; qiv -m %s ; nametemplate=%s.gif
image/png png ; qiv -m %s ; nametemplate=%s.png

application/msword ; winword %s ; nametemplate=%s.doc;
application/ms-powerpoint ; powerpnt %s ; nametemplate=%s.ppt
application/pdf ; acroread %s ; nametemplate=%s.pdf

application/msword ; (wvHtml %s - | lynx -force_html -stdin -dump) \
  2>/dev/null; nametemplate=%s.doc; copiousoutput

application/pdf ; pdftotext %s - 2>/dev/null ; nametemplate=%s.pdf; \
  copiousoutput

text/html ; lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput 

image/* ; (anytopnm %s | pnmscale -xysize 80 46 | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm | \
  pbmtoascii -1x2 ) 2>/dev/null; copiousoutput
---

(This is on Linux - the winword/powerpnt entries run crossover office)

James.

Re: Folder specific mailing, smart fcc-save-hooks, question.

[Rafael C. Gawenda]

* Ryan Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 14:47 (13:28:38)]

> for i in $(ls $1);do\

> Now the question: Can I make these all case insensitive? For
> instance right now things to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] are all treated differently, so with a mail sent
> to each of these addresses, only the one that matches the
> folder name including case sensitivity gets put there, the
> others go into record.

Change that line in you scripts with:

for i in $(ls $(echo $1 | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'))

You can also use some perl magic, if tr isn't available on your
system.

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Autoview images in the pager

[Viktor Lakics]

Dear mutters,

I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 

To illustrate the point look at this screenshot:

http://lakics.homelinux.net/screenshot/shot.jpg

This shows multi-gnome-terminal with a horizontal split, the upper
part is running mutt, the lower part is running w3m, which opened up
the horizontal split from inside mutt when I right-clicked the
appropriate URL. As you can see, w3m shows inline graphics, is very
fast, and makes easy to check html pages or urls in "sort of text
mode".

As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap, mutt, w3m
trio in a way that html messages could be shown in autoview with
graphics inside?

Thanks in advance. -- Viktor 

Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[Sven Guckes]

* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
> > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
>
> These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
> I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?

attitude is not a technical item.

Sven

Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Sven Guckes]

* Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 16:21]:
> Sven Guckes told:
> > still, i hope that the list of newsgroups
> > can help you find people with knowledge
> > about windowsxp scripting and access to the
> > browsers used on that system.  good luck!
> > newsgroups about "windows xp"..
>
> Are you bribed by M$ ?

is this a trick question?

windows problems should be solved by
people who get paid by M$, right?
and all this is off topic here.

so if you feel the need to
discuss windows problems then
please take it elsewhere.
thankyou.

Sven  [pointing out the bleeding obvious]

Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Sven Guckes]

* Viktor Lakics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 12:21]:
> Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt?
>
> To illustrate the point look at this screenshot:
> http://lakics.homelinux.net/screenshot/shot.jpg
>
> This shows multi-gnome-terminal with a horizontal split,
> the upper part is running mutt, the lower part is running
> w3m, which opened up the horizontal split from inside mutt
> when I right-clicked the appropriate URL. As you can see,
> w3m shows inline graphics, is very fast, and makes easy
> to check html pages or urls in "sort of text mode".
>
> As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap,
> mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown
> in autoview with graphics inside?

well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it.

all you need is this "auto_view text/html" in your mutt setup
and the following in your mailcap file:

  text/html   ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
  text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
  message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
  message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput

and you probably need a fairly recent version of w3m for this, too.
however, w3m's changelog is not very elaborate...

more sreenshots about w3m in action:
http://www.w3m.org/screenshots.html

Sven

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Re: mutt+slrn key bindings

[Sven Guckes]

* Jos Romildo Malaquias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 09:47]:
> Is there a set of key bindings to slrn similar to the
> default one found in mutt? Where can it be found?

both mutt and slrn allow free key binding.
so i suggest to adjust them like *you* like -
and not accoriding to anyone's defaults.

besides, even when you use the same keys, you
cannot expect the programs to do the same.
in the end you will have to learn
what the commands can do, anyway.

Sven

Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of 
Sven Guckes told:

> * Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 16:21]:
> > Sven Guckes told:
> > > still, i hope that the list of newsgroups
> > > can help you find people with knowledge
> > > about windowsxp scripting and access to the
> > > browsers used on that system.  good luck!
> > > newsgroups about "windows xp"..
> >
> > Are you bribed by M$ ?
> 
> is this a trick question?

Of course not!
 
> windows problems should be solved by
> people who get paid by M$, right?

Yep, thats true. But why did you
helped them with a hundred terms
of M$ news groups? Readers of this
list are as intelligent to find
places where their problems can be
solved.

> and all this is off topic here.

In fact!

> so if you feel the need to
> discuss windows problems then
> please take it elsewhere.
> thankyou.

See above.

> Sven  [pointing out the bleeding obvious]

Elimar [falling back to tw=68]

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Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[kevin lyda]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 02:55:50PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> * Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
> > * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
> > > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
> > These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
> > I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?
> attitude is not a technical item.

you obviously don't write software for the airlines...

kevin, pitch-ing in his two ¤.02...

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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Sven Guckes]

* Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 14:06]:
> Sven Guckes told:
> > windows problems should be solved by
> > people who get paid by M$, right?
> 
> Yep, thats true. But why did you helped them with
> a hundred terms of M$ news groups? Readers of
> this list are as intelligent to find places
> where their problems can be solved.

you are correct - i should not be writing tutorials
or give any additional information at all because
the proper response for off topic discussion is
"get lost", of course.  thank you for reminding me!

Sven  [be damned if you do, and damned if you don't]

Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of 
Sven Guckes told:

> * Viktor Lakics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 12:21]:
> > Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt?

[...]

> > As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap,
> > mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown
> > in autoview with graphics inside?
> 
> well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it.
> 
> all you need is this "auto_view text/html" in your mutt setup
> and the following in your mailcap file:

AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined
with fbi. zgv should work as well.

> 
>   text/html   ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
>   text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
>   message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
>   message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput

text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput ; \
test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
text/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput ; \
test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
text/html ; links -T text/html %s # within links you can "link" an
  # imageview to i.e fbi 
text/htm ; links -T text/html %s  # within links you can "link" an
  # imageview to i.e fbi 

image/* ; xv %s ; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
image/* ; fbi %s

Same for message/htm* as for text/htm*

Ciao

Elimar


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Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:18:23PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> > mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown
> > in autoview with graphics inside?
> 
> well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it.
...
> and you probably need a fairly recent version of w3m for this, too.
> however, w3m's changelog is not very elaborate...

w3m's changelog is like links' - most of the detail is missing, and of what
remains, some is useless or simply misleading at best.

(however, w3m's graphics are sometimes useful in traversing some sites where
the parasites are too intrusive for Netscape or Opera ;-)

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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Rafael C. Gawenda]

* Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 16:28 (16:35:35)]

[...]
> "get lost", of course.  thank you for reminding me!

> Sven  [be damned if you do, and damned if you don't]

Perhaps you should read http://learn.to/edit_messages/, and the
signature section of that faq, written by someone called Sven
Guckes, where is noted the existence of a character string
commonly used and encouraged to delimit the signatures :)

http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/#sigdashes

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because it is a reserved address for loopback devices (Microsoft
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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Mike Leone]

* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 08:59: 
> * Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 16:21]:
> > Sven Guckes told:
> > > still, i hope that the list of newsgroups
> > > can help you find people with knowledge
> > > about windowsxp scripting and access to the
> > > browsers used on that system.  good luck!
> > > newsgroups about "windows xp"..
> >
> > Are you bribed by M$ ?
> 
> is this a trick question?
> 
> windows problems should be solved by
> people who get paid by M$, right?

Not always. Many times they are solved by volunteer posters - that's what
you see in that long list of newsgroups you posted earlier. ike any
newsgroup, the majority of the posts are volunteers helping others. Same with the
very many Windows related mailing lists.

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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Robert Lillack]

Rafael C. Gawenda wrote:

> Perhaps  you  should read  http://learn.to/edit_messages/,
> and the signature section of  that faq, written by someone
> called  Sven Guckes,  where is  noted the  existence of  a
> character string  commonly used and encouraged  to delimit
> the signatures :)

...but you know  that signatures shouldn't be  longer than 4
lines!?

Rob.
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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[PeterKorman]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:28:01PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> * Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 14:06]:
> > Sven Guckes told:
> > > windows problems should be solved by
> > > people who get paid by M$, right?
> > 
> > Yep, thats true. But why did you helped them with
> > a hundred terms of M$ news groups? Readers of
> > this list are as intelligent to find places
> > where their problems can be solved.
> 
> you are correct - i should not be writing tutorials
> or give any additional information at all because
> the proper response for off topic discussion is
> "get lost", of course.  thank you for reminding me!
> 
> Sven  [be damned if you do, and damned if you don't]

But you did tell mim to get lost. In fact, you gave
him detailed instructions.
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MH caching?

[Robert Lillack]

Hi,

Is there a patch available  or something in CVS that enables
caching  of MH  folders? I've  got some  really big  folders
here, and they could need a little speeding up.

Rob.
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Re: collapse-all question

[Alain Bench]

Hello Dick,

 On Thursday, October 3, 2002 at 4:09:20 PM +0200, Dick J. Bolderman wrote:

> folder-hook =MailingLists push "" (this works, eg,
> entering MailingLists.Mutt collapses all threads)

This matches =MailingLists.Mutt.Archive folder too: The collapse is
done a first time when you enter it.


> folder-hook =MailingLists.Mutt.Archive push "" (this
> doesn't work, threads don't get collapsed)

This obviously matches =MailingLists.Mutt.Archive folder: The
collapse is done a second time when you enter it. As collapsing is a
toggle, you end with all threads uncollapsed.


TFM says:

| Usage: folder-hook [!]regexp command

...and:

| If a mailbox matches multiple folder-hook's, they are executed in the
| order given in the muttrc.


So: remove the second hook, and threads will be collapsed in both
folders.


Bye!Alain.

Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined
> with fbi. zgv should work as well.

is someone working on zgv again?  (the last I looked, it wasn't working
that well)

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Re: Default Colour on NetBSD

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 05:59:08PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
>   On Oct 01 at 16:15, Thomas Dickey spoke:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:52:34PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
> > > 
> > > If I could manage to build a mutt linked against an standard
> > > ncurses5.x then shoud there be a working use_default_colors()
> > > available?
> > 
> > yes - I added the feature with ncurses 4.2
> > 
> > Bear in mind that when I'm building applications with ncurses, it is usually
> > not using the *BSD ports - I frequently see problems reported that are due
> > to that.
> 
> I installed ncurses 5.2 in a separate path /usr/opt/ncurses-5.2.
> Then I built mutt 1.2.5.1:
> 
> ./configure  --prefix=/usr/opt/mutt-1.2.5.1 \
> --includedir=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/include \
> --libdir=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/lib --with-curses=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2
> 
> It requires xterm-16color or similar.
> But still it doesn't recognize default as background color.
but what does the output of the configure script look like?  For example,
the related section when I configure:

checking for ispell... /usr/bin/ispell
checking for initscr in -lncurses... yes
checking for ncurses.h... yes
checking for start_color declaration... yes
checking for typeahead declaration... yes
checking for bkgdset declaration... yes
checking for curs_set declaration... yes
checking for meta declaration... yes
checking for use_default_colors declaration... yes
checking for resizeterm declaration... yes
checking for ANSI C header files... yes

(the "use_default_colors" line is needed).

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Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of 
Thomas Dickey told:

> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> > AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined
> > with fbi. zgv should work as well.
> 
> is someone working on zgv again?  (the last I looked, it wasn't working
> that well)

The latest version from Russell Marks is 5.6. AFAIK released in
july/02.

Ciao

Elimar


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Default Colour on NetBSD

[Hanspeter Roth]

  On Oct 01 at 16:15, Thomas Dickey spoke:

> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:52:34PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
> > 
> > If I could manage to build a mutt linked against an standard
> > ncurses5.x then shoud there be a working use_default_colors()
> > available?
> 
> yes - I added the feature with ncurses 4.2
> 
> Bear in mind that when I'm building applications with ncurses, it is usually
> not using the *BSD ports - I frequently see problems reported that are due
> to that.

I installed ncurses 5.2 in a separate path /usr/opt/ncurses-5.2.
Then I built mutt 1.2.5.1:

./configure  --prefix=/usr/opt/mutt-1.2.5.1 \
--includedir=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/include \
--libdir=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/lib --with-curses=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2

It requires xterm-16color or similar.
But still it doesn't recognize default as background color.

-Hanspeter

Re: Default Colour on NetBSD

[Hanspeter Roth]

  On Oct 05 at 12:29, Thomas Dickey spoke:

> but what does the output of the configure script look like?  For example,
> the related section when I configure:
> 
> checking for ispell... /usr/bin/ispell
> checking for initscr in -lncurses... yes
> checking for ncurses.h... yes
> checking for start_color declaration... yes
> checking for typeahead declaration... yes
> checking for bkgdset declaration... yes
> checking for curs_set declaration... yes
> checking for meta declaration... yes
> checking for use_default_colors declaration... yes
> checking for resizeterm declaration... yes
> checking for ANSI C header files... yes
> 
> (the "use_default_colors" line is needed).

loading cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
[...]
checking for meta declaration... (cached) yes
checking for use_default_colors declaration... (cached) no
[...]

Hm. In deed it seems to be off.
Does it depend on the ncurses configuration?
I just did:

./configure  --prefix=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2

-Hanspeter

Re: Default Colour on NetBSD

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:55:04PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
 
> Hm. In deed it seems to be off.
> Does it depend on the ncurses configuration?
> I just did:
> 
> ./configure  --prefix=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2

The --prefix option of configure scripts is used to tell where the application
should be installed -- not where to find applications.  I would do something
like this:

export CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/include"
export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/lib -lncurses"
./configure

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Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of 
Elimar Riesebieter told:

> On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of 
> Sven Guckes told:
> 
> > * Viktor Lakics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 12:21]:
> > > Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt?
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap,
> > > mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown
> > > in autoview with graphics inside?
> > 
> > well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it.
> > 
> > all you need is this "auto_view text/html" in your mutt setup
> > and the following in your mailcap file:
> 
> AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. [...]

Sorry, this was a wrong suggestion! Via ~/.w3m/mailcap or any other
mailcap defined in w3m's configfile you can bind the imageviewer to
fbi when working on a vt! {getting red cheeks ;-)}

Ciao

Elimar


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Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 14:55]:
>* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
>> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
>> > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
>>
>> These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
>> I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?
>
>attitude is not a technical item.

Neither are bug details or top posts.


Thorsten

Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[Patrick]

* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-05-02 13:50]:
> Hi,
> 
> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 14:55]:
> >* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
> >> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
> >> > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
> >>
> >> These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
> >> I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?
> >
> >attitude is not a technical item.
> 
> Neither are bug details or top posts.

But he contributes greatly.  Do you?
This discussion is not of a technical nature either.  And you bottom
posting IS appreciated (and proper).
-- 
Patrick Shanahan
Registered Linux User #207535 
  @ http://counter.li.org

Scoring in collapsed threads

[Christian Garbs \[Master Mitch\]]

Hi there!

I've recently started to use the scoring mechanisms of mutt.  My mails
are now colored depending on their score and some mails even get
flagged automatically.

I need the scoring for mailing lists.  In my mailing list folders, I
use scoring as well as threading.  I like all threads to be collapsed
when I enter the folder (otherwise it'd be a mess on lists with higher
traffic).

My problem:
When a thread is collapsed, only the root message of a thread is
visible and scored/colored/flagged.

Is there a way to show the score of hidden messages in a thread
(perhaps by setting the score of the root message to the sum of all
hidden messages)?  Or can I flag the whole thread when a single
message in the thread is flagged?

Regards,
Christian

PS: I like newsgroups better than mailing lists, but for some topics I
have to subscribe to mailing lists.  Now I try to make mutt behave
like tin (my newsreader) because I got used to (and like) the way
tin handles threads and scoring.  I already thought about gating
the mailing lists into local newsgroups, but I want to try to
configure mutt the right way first.
-- 
Christian.Garbs.http://www.cgarbs.de

Windows CE (Chrash Everywhere)

Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 21:13]:
>* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-05-02 13:50]:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 14:55]:
>> >* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
>> >> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
>> >> > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
>> >>
>> >> These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
>> >> I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?
>> >
>> >attitude is not a technical item.
>> 
>> Neither are bug details or top posts.
>
>But he contributes greatly.  Do you?

At least I try not to be an asshole.


Thorsten
-- 
Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.

Re: Default Colour on NetBSD

[Hanspeter Roth]

  On Oct 05 at 13:25, Thomas Dickey spoke:

> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:55:04PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
>  
> > ./configure  --prefix=/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2

Sorry I was referring to the configuration of ncurses.


>   export CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/include"
>   export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/opt/ncurses-5.2/lib -lncurses"
>   ./configure

This works. Thank you

-Hanspeter

Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3

[Patrick]

* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-05-02 15:01]:
> Hi,
> 
> * Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 21:13]:
> >* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-05-02 13:50]:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-05 14:55]:
> >> >* Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 06:10]:
> >> >> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-04 00:42]:
> >> >> > try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette
> >> >>
> >> >> These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude.
> >> >> I wonder why this isn't the case with your list?
> >> >
> >> >attitude is not a technical item.
> >> 
> >> Neither are bug details or top posts.
> >
> >But he contributes greatly.  Do you?
> 
> At least I try not to be an asshole.

Well, you just reached that plateau.
-- 
Patrick Shanahan
Registered Linux User #207535 
  @ http://counter.li.org

Re: MH caching?

[Michael Elkins]

Robert Lillack wrote:
> Is there a patch available  or something in CVS that enables
> caching  of MH  folders? I've  got some  really big  folders
> here, and they could need a little speeding up.

Not that I am aware.  There is only an experimental patch for maildir
style mailboxes.

case-insensitive scoring patterns

[Rocco Rutte]

Hi,

see subject. Is there any way to specify case-insensitive
scoring patterns? This is minor important but I'm too lazy
to write filters like:

  score '~s \[?[Mm][Uu][Tt][Tt]\]?' ...

   bye, Rocco

Re: case-insensitive scoring patterns

[Michael Elkins]

Rocco Rutte wrote:
> see subject. Is there any way to specify case-insensitive
> scoring patterns? This is minor important but I'm too lazy
> to write filters like:
> 
>   score '~s \[?[Mm][Uu][Tt][Tt]\]?' ...

If you specify all lowercase letters, Mutt will automatically use a
case-insensitive search.  If you use at least one uppercase letter, Mutt
assumes case-sensitive search.  This works for all use of the pattern
language.

Re: Autoview images in the pager -> w3m

[Eugene Lee]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:18:23PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
: 
: all you need is this "auto_view text/html" in your mutt setup
: and the following in your mailcap file:
: 
:   text/html   ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
:   text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
:   message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput
:   message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput

"message/html"?  Is this an official MIME entry?


-- 
Eugene Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mutt Hangs w/ PGP

[MindFuq]

When I use 'ESC k' to send a key, "Invoking PGP..." is displayed, then
it hangs there.  Has anyone encountered this?

Mutt has no problem clearsigning, and verifying signatures.  I'm using
Mutt 1.4i and PGP 6.5.8, and I'm sourcing the pgp6.rc file.

Also, when I disable the automatic signature verification, I haven't
been able to figure out how to verify the signature manually.  Is
there a key binded for this?

Re: Mutt Hangs w/ PGP

[Sven Guckes]

* MindFuq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-06 02:01]:
> I'm using Mutt 1.4i and PGP 6.5.8, and I'm sourcing the pgp6.rc file.
> Mutt has no problem clearsigning, and verifying signatures.
> [but] When I use 'ESC k' to send a key, "Invoking PGP..." is
> displayed, then it hangs there.  Has anyone encountered this?

strace it..

> Also, when I disable the automatic signature verification, I haven't
> been able to figure out how to verify the signature manually.
> Is there a key binded for this?

the "any" key perhaps?

  macro index ,, "pgp\n"

anyway, this problem is a typical
case of "more info, please"...

Sven

Re: case-insensitive scoring patterns

[Sven Guckes]

* Rocco Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-05 20:52]:
> see subject.

this reference is almost always BAD.
content changes - and subject should
be adjusted to fit the contents.  so
subjects should not describe problems.

> Is there any way to specify case-insensitive scoring patterns?
> This is minor important but I'm too lazy to write filters like:
>   score '~s \[?[Mm][Uu][Tt][Tt]\]?' ...

score '~s \[?mutt\]?' ...

case-insensitivity is the default.

Sven

Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Rob Reid]

Danger, Will Robinson! ;-)

At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
> I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
> tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 

You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
in their html mails like http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).

Yes, I know there are countermeasures like proxies, defangers, and filtering
spam away first, but I thought everyone should know that this path is
perilous. 

-- 
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My life is my own.   - Number Six (The Prisoner: "Arrival")
Robert I. Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/
PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html

Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Eugene Lee]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 10:35:00PM -0400, Rob Reid wrote:
: 
: At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
: > 
: > I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
: > tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 
: 
: You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
: in their html mails like http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
: them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
: graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
: GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).

If you open an HTML email with a web browser with ad-blocking features,
you should be okay.  Also, you can set your browser to not load images
automatically.


-- 
Eugene Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Mike Leone]

* Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: 
> Danger, Will Robinson! ;-)
> 
> At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
> > I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
> > tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 
> 
> You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
> in their html mails like  src="http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
> them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
> graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
> GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).

Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based
mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML
directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. 

On Linux, at least, some graphical mailers - for example, Evolution - can be
configured not to get images in HTML email at all, or only if the sender is
in the address book.

This is probably a more pervasive problem on Windows than Linux.

> Yes, I know there are countermeasures like proxies, defangers, and filtering
> spam away first, but I thought everyone should know that this path is
> perilous. 

More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the
same thing. I believe the term is "web bug".

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Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Rob Reid]

Hi,

At 11:58 PM EDT on October  5 Mike Leone sent off:
> * Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: 
> > Danger, Will Robinson! ;-)
> > 
> > At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
> > > I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
> > > tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 
> > 
> > You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
> > in their html mails like  > src="http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
> > them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
> > graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
> > GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).
> 
> Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based
> mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML
> directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. 

Why does that matter?  Each web bug is unique, so any request for it, from
anywhere, anything, or anyone, still dooms the address the bug refers to.

> 
> On Linux, at least, some graphical mailers - for example, Evolution - can be
> configured not to get images in HTML email at all,

As I'd expect...

> or only if the sender is in the address book.

That's pretty clever.  Evolution would be tempting if it weren't so...gooey.

> This is probably a more pervasive problem on Windows than Linux.

Definitely, because the average Windows luser is doomed by not bothering to
figure out what's going on, but I'm sure that M$ will add a similar image
blocking feature if it's not already there.  Of course, they'd put themselves
and sufficiently high payers on the whitelist.

> More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the
> same thing. I believe the term is "web bug".

I wasn't excluding them.  Personally, I like the 1x1s better than the garish,
bandwidth hogging, CPU killing, animated gifs.

ObMutt: Would a macro that 
1. autoviews/mailcap displays stuff from trusted senders*
or
2. defangs (temporarily, in a display filter way, since untrusted innocents
are included) stuff from everyone else

necessarily require mutt to understand if statements?

* possibly approximated by the aliases file, although you can't trust anyone
using untrusted software, no matter how nice they are.

-- 
Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?  - Jack Handey
Robert I. Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/
PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html