Re: ! question

[David T-G]

Dale --

...and then Dale L . Morris said...
% I have a question. When I get new mail, much of the time it is marked
% with a ! but I don't know why. I've looked through the manual and see

Because there is an

  X-Status: F

line in the message headers, it would seem.  Mail with such a header is
called "flagged" in mutt, and that's why the ! in your index.


% no reason new mail should be marked or tagged. There's probably an
% obvious answer, but I don't see it..

You should go back to the source and see why that header is being
generated on the sending side if you don't think you're putting it in
with some procmail rule (like I do for any mail that has

  Importance: High

or

  Priority: Urgent

from other mailers).


% thanks 

HTH & HAND


:-D
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Re: forwarding multiple attachments?

[David T-G]

Austin --

...and then Austin Schutz said...
%   This must be a really dumb question, but how does one forward
% multiple attachments? tagging them in the 'view attachments' menu
% doesn't seem to do it.

Do you mean "some but not all attachments from a single message"?  Or do
you just want to attach multiple files to a message?

Since I don't know, 'cuz I don't play much with forwarding pieces, how to
do the former and I really don't think you mean the latter, I won't
clutter up the list with a probably useless reply.


%   I would think that it would be handy to have the default for
% the regular forward command automagically attach all files for you, or
% at least ask if you want it to.

Of course, if you just forward the message itself all of the attachments
will come along with it...


%   Also, one of the handy features of bsd mail is the ability to
% edit messages in your box. can this be done with mutt?

Now, this one I can answer; with newer (1.2x and up) mutts you can
separately edit-message (modify the message and automatically save it
back to your mailbox) and resend-message (modify the message and then
direct it to a new recipient, saving an fcc: copy when you do).  Check
the manual.


% 
%   Btw, mutt is about a billion times better than anything that came
% before it! (possibly excepting the shell command "> $MAIL").

You got that right! :-)


% 
%   Thanks,

HTH & HAND


% 
%   Austin


:-D
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(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: forwarding multiple attachments?

[Lars Hecking]

> % Also, one of the handy features of bsd mail is the ability to
> % edit messages in your box. can this be done with mutt?
> 
> Now, this one I can answer; with newer (1.2x and up) mutts you can
> separately edit-message (modify the message and automatically save it
> back to your mailbox) and resend-message (modify the message and then
> direct it to a new recipient, saving an fcc: copy when you do).  Check
> the manual.
 
 Unfortunately, neither edit-message nor resend-message are actually
 explained in the manual. A patch for this went into cvs only a week ago.

Re: forwarding multiple attachments?

[Dan Boger]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 01:18:03PM +0100, Lars Hecking wrote:
> 
> > %   Also, one of the handy features of bsd mail is the ability to
> > % edit messages in your box. can this be done with mutt?
> > 
> > Now, this one I can answer; with newer (1.2x and up) mutts you can
> > separately edit-message (modify the message and automatically save it
> > back to your mailbox) and resend-message (modify the message and then
> > direct it to a new recipient, saving an fcc: copy when you do).  Check
> > the manual.
>  
>  Unfortunately, neither edit-message nor resend-message are actually
>  explained in the manual. A patch for this went into cvs only a week ago.

nod, I can't find it in stock 1.2i, but it's in the doc when I hit F1.

:)

Dan

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Re: lbdb & m_muttalias -- my questions now :-)

[David T-G]

Roland --

...and then Roland Rosenfeld said...
% On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, David T-G wrote:
% 
% > % Other alias syntax (like your combination of <...> and (...)) isn't
% > % supported yet, because they don't make much sense to me and I don't
% 
% > I could probably go about redoing all of my aliases, but I still
% > like the elm aliases lookup format.
% 
% Okay, then please try the attached diff against m_muttalias, which
% should support your converted elm aliases, but it is not fully tested
% (I don't know whether there are other side effects).

It seems to work quite well so far; I get output like

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  DavidTG @ hushmail  alias me-hushmail
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] DavidTG bulbs @ bigfoot alias me-bulbs-bigfoot
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   David @ BigFoot alias me-bigfoot
  ...

and only wonder if the "alias" should really be there.


% 
% > Still, though, nobody does comments (anything after a comma in the
% > alias definition, as in
% > 
% >   alias foo = Foo, lots of commentary for me (even here) = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% > 
% > for example) like elm supported...
% 
% AFAIK Mutt doesn't support comments in the aliases.  So you should

Yeah; I had to modify elmaliasconv.pl to take my comments and put 'em
on a comment line before the actual alias definition.  Ah, well...


% think about writing a m_elm (or m_elmalias) module like m_pine to
% directly use the elm aliases with lbdb instead of converting them to
% the less powerful mutt alias format.  This m_elm module may write
% the alias to the 3rd column of the mutt query format.

Thanks for the idea; I might.  For now, though, I'm pretty happy!


% 
% Tscho
% 
% Roland
% 
% -- 
%  * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.spinnaker.de/ *


:-D
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Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Juergen Salk]

* Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 10:16]:
> 
> Today I switched from Pine to mutt.  According to homepage of mutt you had
> pine2mutt_aliases.pl available here:
> 
> http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl
> 
> But where the fsck it is now?

This link seems to be broken for some time now.

I still have a copy of Peter Kelemen's addressbook-to-alias.pl
script available. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the original download url.
I've just put a copy at http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.pl
and http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.README. 

There are other addressbook-to-alias converters around. See e.g.

http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/sw/sgi_53/mutt-0.89f/bin/pine2mutt

Best regards - Juergen.

Reading USENET news with mutt

[Dennis Melentyev]

Hi everybody!

I'm a newbie in mutt. And my English isn't good, so please, be patient ;)

As I know, I can read the USENET news from spool like a MH mailbox, but 
I have no idea how to post and/or followup discussion.

Please point me in right direction.

Tnx.

-- 
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C/C++ programmer @ Mebius-KB, Kiev, Ukraine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Juergen Salk]

* Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 15:30]:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Juergen Salk wrote:
> 
> > * Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 10:16]:
> > > 
> > > Today I switched from Pine to mutt.  According to homepage of mutt you had
> > > pine2mutt_aliases.pl available here:
> > > 
> > > http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl
> > > 
> > > But where the fsck it is now?
> > 
> > This link seems to be broken for some time now.
> > 
> > I still have a copy of Peter Kelemen's addressbook-to-alias.pl
> > script available. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the original download url.
> > I've just put a copy at http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.pl
> > and http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.README. 
> 
> Not Found
> 
> The requested URL /jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.pl was not found on this
> server.

I'm sorry. It should read:

http://www.uni-ulm.de/~jsalk/mutt/addressbook-to-alias.pl
http://www.uni-ulm.de/~jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.README

Best regards - Juergen.

Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Juhapekka Tolvanen]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Juergen Salk wrote:

> * Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 10:16]:
> > 
> > Today I switched from Pine to mutt.  According to homepage of mutt you had
> > pine2mutt_aliases.pl available here:
> > 
> > http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl
> > 
> > But where the fsck it is now?
> 
> This link seems to be broken for some time now.
> 
> I still have a copy of Peter Kelemen's addressbook-to-alias.pl
> script available. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the original download url.
> I've just put a copy at http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.pl
> and http://www.uni-ulm.de/jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.README. 

Not Found

The requested URL /jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.pl was not found on this
server.


Apache/1.3.6 Server at www.uni-ulm.de Port 80
 
> There are other addressbook-to-alias converters around. See e.g.
> 
> http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/sw/sgi_53/mutt-0.89f/bin/pine2mutt

At least that was found. Thanks.

BTW I also tried a software called abook, but it just dumped core, when
I tried to convert my Pine addressbook. Yes, I did a bug report.

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Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Juergen Salk]

* Juergen Salk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 16:03]:
 
> I'm sorry. It should read:
> 
> http://www.uni-ulm.de/~jsalk/mutt/addressbook-to-alias.pl
> http://www.uni-ulm.de/~jsalk/addressbook-to-alias.README

*Ahem* I should not try to do things like that when I'm in a hurry.

The latter one should read:  

http://www.uni-ulm.de/~jsalk/mutt/addressbook-to-alias.README

Sorry again - Juergen.

From: line shows recipients domain name

[André Dahlqvist]

Hi

I ran across a strange problem today, when a person that I had sent an
e-mail to reported that my From: address incorrectly had *their*
domain name after the @. He explained that this was because I was
sending mail as "andre", and that it would therefore pick up the
receiving servers domain name. I am subscribed to several mailing
lists, and I have never seen this happen when looking at messages that
I have sent. I also tried sending an e-mail to my account at my
university, and that message had the correct From: line. Who is to
blame here? Is my setup incorrect, or was it just this persons setup
what was wrong? When composing a message in Mutt I can see that the
from line just has "andre" there, and not my domain name. Changing
use_domain to yes also changes this, but I don't know if that's how it
should be? My correct domain name should be "beta.telenordia.se". I
don't know if it is relevant, but for various reasons I have had to
set up Exim to act as my outgoing mail server, instead of just having
it hand messages to my providers SMTP server. I have set Exim's
qualify_domain value to "beta.telenordia.se".

Debian by default has these settings in the Muttrc file, which I guess
can be related to this problem:

unset use_domain
unset use_from

I have had to change the use_from variable to yes, because if I let
Exim write the From: header my name ends up as "Andr?" instead of
"André". Should I also change use_domain to yes? Or should I perhaps
use "set hostname" and set that to my domain name?

I hope someone can help clear the confusion.
-- 

// André

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

*[André Dahlqvist on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 04:41:53PM +0200]:

> what was wrong? When composing a message in Mutt I can see that the
> >from line just has "andre" there, and not my domain name. Changing
> use_domain to yes also changes this, but I don't know if that's how it

my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre' Dahlqvist)
set envelope_from

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Re: lbdb & m_muttalias -- my questions now :-)

[Roland Rosenfeld]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, David T-G wrote:

> It seems to work quite well so far; I get output like
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]DavidTG @ hushmail  alias me-hushmail
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   DavidTG bulbs @ bigfoot alias me-bulbs-bigfoot
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] David @ BigFoot alias me-bigfoot

> and only wonder if the "alias" should really be there.

Yes, that's a feature :-)
The third field in the mutt query format is some kind of "comment",
which should add some additional information about this address.
The alias is the only additional information available here, so it is
used as the comment here.  So you know, where this address comes from,
which may be interesting if you use multiple modules.

Tscho

Roland

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Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 08:40:59PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre' Dahlqvist)
> set envelope_from

But in what cases should one have to use that? I mean what I'm using
now seams to work almost all the time too.

Btw, how come some people prefer to write the name inside parenthesis
like that, and some prefer to have the address inside < > and the name
before it?
--

// André

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

*[André Dahlqvist on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:55:05PM +0200]:

> > my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre' Dahlqvist)
> > set envelope_from
 
> But in what cases should one have to use that? I mean what I'm using
> now seams to work almost all the time too.
 
You'd set the envelope sender when you were connected via a dialup ip / a
workstation with a private ip (192.168.1/24 etc) - a box with a hostname that
wouldn't resolve.  If you send mails as [EMAIL PROTECTED], most
mailservers would bounce you with a 550 Sender Domain Must Resolve error.

What you were doing is more like mail from:  - some servers tolerate that
and append their own domain name to it - others bounce the mail.

> Btw, how come some people prefer to write the name inside parenthesis
> like that, and some prefer to have the address inside < > and the name
> before it?

the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Qux Quux) style is depreciated these days - [perhaps a polite
way of saying it's outdated and old fashioned )

/me sees this on usenet most of the time - or in mail, when generated by mailer
+ newsreaders like forte agent on windows.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis
mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI
Never trust anyone who says money is no object.

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

*[André Dahlqvist on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:55:05PM +0200]:

> Btw, how come some people prefer to write the name inside parenthesis
> like that, and some prefer to have the address inside < > and the name
> before it?

Oh, and another thing 

> Received: from 1cust62.tnt12.stk3.da.uu.net (HELO sledgehammer)
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>  by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 16:56:15 -
> Received: from andre by sledgehammer with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian))
>id 13TSBd-0003Hd-00; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:55:05 +0200

You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet dialup - I
suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for why this is A Bad Thing
(tm).  Set Exim to relay all mails through uunet's mailserver instead.

8< from the Exim faq 

send_to_gateway:
   driver = domainlist
   transport = remote_smtp
   route_list = "* gate.way.host byname"

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-- John Mason Brown, drama critic

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:40:31PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet
> dialup - I suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for
> why this is A Bad Thing (tm).  Set Exim to relay all mails through
> uunet's mailserver instead.

I know, and the reason is that I don't have access to my ISPs smtp
server right now.
-- 

// André

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:34:32PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> What you were doing is more like mail from:  - some servers
> tolerate that and append their own domain name to it - others bounce
> the mail.

But when I have tried sending mails to other accounts the From: line
has been correct. And I always get responses to the mails I sent, so I
suppose it must be correct most of the time. Does it only use the
servers domain name in some cases, or what?
-- 

// André

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:34:32PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> What you were doing is more like mail from:  - some servers tolerate that
> and append their own domain name to it - others bounce the mail.

I forgot to ask you, should I have use_domain set? I'm on dialup.
-- 

// André

(forw) Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Juergen Salk]

FYI

- Forwarded message from Christian Boesgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:00:13 +0200
From: Christian Boesgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Juergen Salk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 03:04:15PM +0200, Juergen Salk wrote:
> * Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000828 10:16]:
> > 
> > Today I switched from Pine to mutt.  According to homepage of mutt you had
> > pine2mutt_aliases.pl available here:
> > 
> > http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl
> > 
> > But where the fsck it is now?
> 
> This link seems to be broken for some time now.

It's up again now :)

I was not aware it had been included on the mutt site.

It will be up permanent from now...
 
-- 
pink


- End forwarded message -

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Daniel J Peng]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:40:31PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet dialup - I
> suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for why this is A Bad Thing
> (tm).  Set Exim to relay all mails through uunet's mailserver instead.

I have never understood how doing this is A Bad Thing. Were it not for
the MAPS DUL, I could have faster mail delivery, ESMTP features that
my ISP's mailserver doesn't support, and faster feedback on whether
the mail went through.

I fail to see how the measure prevents mail abuse in any way. Why
can't a spammer simply relay mail through his ISP's mailserver? In
fact, wouldn't it be faster this way? Rather than making a connection
to yb.mx.aol.com and clmin7-ext.prodigy.com and mail.bigfoot.com and
mail1.microsoft.com and mx1.mail.yahoo.com and mail.hotmail.com and
every other service's mailserver separately, a spammer could just make
ONE connection to his ISP's mailserver and relay all his mail through
that one connection.

Am I missing something here?

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French for "not enough food".

Continental breakfast, n.:
English for "not enough food".

Tapas, n.:
Spanish for "not enough food".

Dim Sum, n.:
Chinese for more food than you've ever seen in your entire life.

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

*[André Dahlqvist on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:26:44PM +0200]:

> I forgot to ask you, should I have use_domain set? I'm on dialup.

set hostname="beta.telenordia.se"

I don't use use_domain - just set envelope_from

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mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI
Not every problem someone has with his girlfriend is necessarily due to
the capitalist mode of production.
-- Herbert Marcuse

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

*[Daniel J Peng on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:53:39PM -0400]:

> On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:40:31PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> > You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet dialup - I
> > suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for why this is A Bad
 
> I have never understood how doing this is A Bad Thing. Were it not for
> the MAPS DUL, I could have faster mail delivery, ESMTP features that

I see you haven't understood the rationale of the DUL.  The DUL is basically a
list of dialup pools of various ISPs - most of whom _voluntarily_ place those
ip blocks there.

Several enterprising spambags decide to set up a mailserver and dns server on
their desktop (there's 'ratware' like Desktop Server available to do this - see
http://www.spamsites.org for more) - and spam 'direct to MX'.

99% of the smtp connections coming directly to a mx from a dialup ip is spam -
the other 1% being people running linux boxes without setting a smarthost in
their MTA.  There is _no_ legitimate reason to accept smtp connections from any
IP block where you know there should be no smtp server running at all - and
hence most ISPs use the DUL to reject smtp connections from dialup ip blocks.

> I fail to see how the measure prevents mail abuse in any way. Why
> can't a spammer simply relay mail through his ISP's mailserver? In

I used to work on Juno's abuse desk - (am now a sysadmin at a major Indian ISP)
so I have some experience of this.

Spammers often do just that - on throwaway ISP accounts (free 25 hour trial
packs and such).  Such attempts set off all kinds of alarms - aside from all
the complaints pouring into the postmaster and abuse mailboxes.  It is
trivially easy to grep your maillogs and radius logs and boot the guy off -
whereupon he gets another account from elsewhere and resumes spewing.

Other times, he abuses some dumb open relay to spew his crap - and the RBL and
RSS lists help to block them  and


> fact, wouldn't it be faster this way? Rather than making a connection
> to yb.mx.aol.com and clmin7-ext.prodigy.com and mail.bigfoot.com and

See above - I agree this was a good thing several years _earlier_ - before
Cantor and Siegel, Spamford Wallace (who has since reformed) and other spambags
made it a bad thing.  Right now, all servers I control use the DUL (and the
RBL) and will continue to reject mails sent directly from dialup pools.

before I go on - I'd suggest you read news.admin.net-abuse.email for a while
(or maybe ask the same question there).  You'll receive several more (if
slightly (!) more rude) answers to your question.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://india.cauce.org
Not every problem someone has with his girlfriend is necessarily due to
the capitalist mode of production.
-- Herbert Marcuse

Re: From: line shows recipients domain name

[Dan Boger]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:53:39PM -0400, Daniel J Peng wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:40:31PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> > You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet dialup - I
> > suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for why this is A Bad Thing
> > (tm).  Set Exim to relay all mails through uunet's mailserver instead.
> 
> I have never understood how doing this is A Bad Thing. Were it not for
> the MAPS DUL, I could have faster mail delivery, ESMTP features that
> my ISP's mailserver doesn't support, and faster feedback on whether
> the mail went through.
> 
> I fail to see how the measure prevents mail abuse in any way. Why
> can't a spammer simply relay mail through his ISP's mailserver? In
> fact, wouldn't it be faster this way? Rather than making a connection
> to yb.mx.aol.com and clmin7-ext.prodigy.com and mail.bigfoot.com and
> mail1.microsoft.com and mx1.mail.yahoo.com and mail.hotmail.com and
> every other service's mailserver separately, a spammer could just make
> ONE connection to his ISP's mailserver and relay all his mail through
> that one connection.
> 
> Am I missing something here?

just that most ISPs will terminate accounts who spam, therefore, in
an effort to hide their spammage, they will try to send it though
misconfigured servers.

or at least that's my understanding of the issue...

Dan

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Re: pine2mutt_aliases.pl

[Michael Tatge]

Michael Tatge muttered:
> Juhapekka Tolvanen muttered:
> > 
> > pine2mutt_aliases.pl available here:
> > 
> > http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl
> > 
> > But where the fsck it is now?
> 
> look in the 'contrib' dir of the tarball there you'll find a 'Pine.rc'.
> Source that file in your .muttrc

Err, sorry. I overlooked the alias part. The Pine.rc just gives you
pine's key bindings and save behavior, etc.

Michael
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