Re: Editing a bounced message

[Thomas Roessler]

On 1999-10-12 15:37:27 -0500, David DeSimone wrote:

> Seems like it would be just as easy to use edit-message, change the
> message around, then when you're done, go ahead and  the
> resulting edited message.  Doesn't sound too difficult, and works with
> current code.

This depends on the user's need.  edit-message requires some
knowledge of message formats, MIME, etc, to avoid mistakes.
resend-message handles all this for you, and is even able to do some
nice things to pgp/mime signed and encrypted messages.

I'll look into getting this married with the bounce function soon,
but probably not today.

User-Agent (was: [Announce] 1.0pre4 is there)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 22:24:10 +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> I've just uploaded mutt 1.0pre4 to ftp.mutt.org/pub/mutt/.  I
> sincerely hope that this is the last version from the release
> candidate series.

Shouldn't the X-Mailer header be replaced by a User-Agent header?

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Re: Editing a bounced message

[Mikko Hänninen]

Michael Thies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 13 Oct 1999:
> And quit that message without postponing it. .-)

Well, if you create a special macro, it's possible to set the
$postpone variable temporarily to "no", and restore it to "ask-yes" (or
whatever you prefer) after you're finished with edit-message.  If you
do a lot of message editing, it's probably worthwhile to do this.

Just a note...


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Reply-To

[John Poltorak]

When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?

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mutt overwriting folders

[Goran Koruga]

Hi,

I have two problems with mutt :

1. I am not able to rebind 'N' key. This is what I use in .muttrc :

   bind pager N search-opposite
   bind generic N search-opposite

   but it won't work. What am I doing wrong ?

2. Is there a way to force mutt not to overwrite the folder when I
   change to another folder ? I am asking this because we have a lot of
   "shared" folders in MH format and I don't want to see mutt doing that.
   It overwrites all files in each directory when I leave it now.
   I have tried the spotted
   
   'toggle-write   %   toggle whether the mailbox will be rewritten'

   in the manual.txt, but this didn't seem to help me.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Goran

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filtering again

[Loren Schooley]

Gosh, I am sure this one has been covered a few times, but here
goes: Filtering.

Anyone know of a good FAQ with the subject of 
filtering mailbox's included in it?

Or better yet, can you break it down here now for us all? :)

Thankz!

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Re: Editing a bounced message

[David DeSimone]

rex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If the message is edited ("e"), the bounce function is disabled, and
> "b" results in a Bcc:  query instead of bouncing the message as it
> normally would.

As someone else pointed out, what I mean was to edit the message, save
the edited message back to the folder, then bounce that message.

Since I don't use edit-message very often, it didn't occur to me that it
would be difficult to tell the original from the new (edited) message in
the folder.  I thought edit-message marked the old message for deletion,
or somesuch.  Ah well...

> I've looked at $@. Mutt passes "--", then the address(es), and .muttrc
> includes "-oi -oem" in the sendmail call, so they may be needed (I
> have no idea what they do, and couldn't find them in the sendmail docs
> I have).

Just FYI, "-o" is used to turn on options that can also be enabled with
the "O" command in the sendmail.cf file.  The two options are "i"
(ignore a single "." if it appears in the input), and "em" (if there are
errors, report them via E-mail).  Without those command-line options, a
message which happens to have a single "." on a line by itself, will
prematurely terminate the message.  And if there are delivery problems,
sendmail will try to print errors on your terminal, which wreaks havoc
with curses-based programs like Mutt.  So we choose to bounce the error
messages in E-mail instead, and users are accustomed to that, anyway.

> I'll remove the "-t" and use "$@", as you suggest, however I want to
> dump the first argument ("--") first, as it makes premail choke.  A
> shift command should handle that, eh?

That would do the trick.

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Re: Reply-To

[David DeSimone]

John Poltorak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line in the
> header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt to reply to
> the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?

list-reply ?

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Re: Reply-To

[Jon Parise]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 06:00:41PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:

> When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
> in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
> to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?

Add the list's address to the 'lists' line in your .muttrc.  Reply
to the message using the 'L'ist reply function.

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Re: Reply-To

[Mikko Hänninen]

John Poltorak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 13 Oct 1999:
> When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
> in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
> to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?

Use the "list-reply" function, by default bound to 'L'.  For this to
work you need to let Mutt know about the mailing lists you're subscribed
to with the "lists" command (see the manual entry for that for more
info).

Alternatively, you can use "group-reply" (default bound to 'g') which
will send the reply to both the author and the list, unless the
original message had a Mail-Followup-To header specified, in that
case that header is honoured.


Hope this helps,
Mikko
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Re: Reply-To

[Jeremy Blosser]

John Poltorak [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
> in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
> to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?

See the manual regarding the use of the 'lists' command to define mailing
lists, then use list-reply (bound to 'L' by default) to reply to the lists.

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Re: filtering again

[David DeSimone]

Loren Schooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a good FAQ with the subject of filtering mailbox's
> included in it?

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/index.html

Try using a web search tool sometime.

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Re: filtering again

[Mikko Hänninen]

Loren Schooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 13 Oct 1999:
> Anyone know of a good FAQ with the subject of 
> filtering mailbox's included in it?

I think there's a Mail Filtering FAQ available.  Yep, found it:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/

> Or better yet, can you break it down here now for us all? :)

I think it's too complex a subject to be posted on the list especially
if there already is a FAQ on it.  And anyway, that is why FAQs exist...


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Re: filtering again

[Mike Broome]

Take a look at the Procmail FAQ 

Original site:
  http://www.iki.fi/era/procmail/

Mirrors:
North America 
  http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/ 
  http://www.zer0.org/procmail/ 
  http://www.moongroup.com/unix/procmail/ 
Europe 
  http://www.xs4all.nl/~sister/mirror/procmail/

Mike

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:09:56PM -0500, Loren Schooley wrote:
> Gosh, I am sure this one has been covered a few times, but here
> goes: Filtering.
> 
> Anyone know of a good FAQ with the subject of 
> filtering mailbox's included in it?
> 
> Or better yet, can you break it down here now for us all? :)
> 
> Thankz!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Loren 

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Re: Reply-To

[John Poltorak]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 01:23:05PM -0400, Jon Parise wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 06:00:41PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
>
> > When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
> > in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
> > to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?
>
> Add the list's address to the 'lists' line in your .muttrc.  Reply
> to the message using the 'L'ist reply function.
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Precedence: bulk


Many thanks, that seems to work fine.

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Re: Reply-To

[John Poltorak]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 07:57:22PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 01:23:05PM -0400, Jon Parise wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 06:00:41PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
> >
> > > When a msg comes from a mailing-list and there is a 'To:' line
> > > in the header but no 'Reply-To:', is there any way to get mutt
> > > to reply to the 'To:' line rather than the 'From:' line?
> >
> > Add the list's address to the 'lists' line in your .muttrc.  Reply
> > to the message using the 'L'ist reply function.
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Precedence: bulk
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Precedence: bulk

A number of people have mentioned that I'm adding the two lines
above to my headers, but I'm pretty sure they are added by the
mailing list software - I can't see any options where I could be
adding anything like 'Precedence:' - I don't even really know it
means...



> Many thanks, that seems to work fine.
>
> --
> John
>
> > --
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>


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Re: User-Agent (was: [Announce] 1.0pre4 is there)

[Frederick Page]

Hi Vincent,

you wrote on Wed, Oct 13 1999:

>>I've just uploaded mutt 1.0pre4 to ftp.mutt.org/pub/mutt/.  I
>>sincerely hope that this is the last version from the release
>>candidate series.

>Shouldn't the X-Mailer header be replaced by a User-Agent header?

By the way: if you edit a message, the X-Mailer header is repeated,
after editing the message a few times (I have UUCP and send an edited
"setsys" message frequently) the X-Mailer occurs several times in the
header.

This maybe a feature, yet probably an undocumented one :-)

Kind regardsFrederick

Mutt hangs while sending mail

[rutger]

Hi all,

I don't know what the sys admin did to our system, but it seems I get
repeatedly stuck sending, receiving and/or replying mail :)

Current problem has something to do with locking, as it seems: saving
a message to a mailbox, or sending a new message (which will also be
saved) results in a 'hang' of mutt.

truss -f (==strace on Linux) ends with:

15898:  utime("/user/nijlunsing/Mail/sent-mail-1999-10", 0xEFFFCF18) = 0
15898:  open("/user/nijlunsing/Mail/sent-mail-1999-10", O_WRONLY|O_APPEND|O_CREAT, 
0666) = 4
15898:  llseek(4, 0, SEEK_END)  = 2344752
15895:  waitid(P_ALL, 0, 0xEFFFE158, WEXITED|WTRAPPED) (sleeping...)
15898:  fcntl(4, F_SETLK, 0xEFFFCF80)   (sleeping...)

...and that last fcntl sleeps forever: it does not react to ^C, ^Z or
anything else. Only kill -9 gets it back to the command prompt.

All this is on a Solaris machine, where all file systems are mounted by NFS.

Is this a mutt problem? Or a Solaris problem? Or something else? How
can I change this behaviour?

Regards,
Rutger.

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Re: Reply-To

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On [19991013 21:30], John Poltorak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>A number of people have mentioned that I'm adding the two lines
>above to my headers, but I'm pretty sure they are added by the
>mailing list software - I can't see any options where I could be
>adding anything like 'Precedence:' - I don't even really know it
>means...

Another weird thing:

You are the only one to escape my procmail filtering.  Upon closer
inspection I see that for some weird reason your mailheaders do not
contain a Sender: header.  Also, when I `g'roup-reply, I get only
mutt-user in my To: and no sign of your address in neither To: nor Cc:

My mind boggles what it is that causes this.

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Re: filtering again

[Michael Sanders]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:37:09PM -0500, David DeSimone wrote:
> Loren Schooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know of a good FAQ with the subject of filtering mailbox's
> > included in it?
> 
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/index.html
> 
There is something much newer at
http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/

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Re: Editing a bounced message

[rex]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:18:17PM -0500, David DeSimone wrote:
> rex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If the message is edited ("e"), the bounce function is disabled, and
> 
> As someone else pointed out, what I mean was to edit the message, save
> the edited message back to the folder, then bounce that message.

Yuck! :) (no offense, it works, but it sure is awkward.)

> Since I don't use edit-message very often, it didn't occur to me that it
> would be difficult to tell the original from the new (edited) message in
> the folder.  

I need to edit/bounce about 20 messages a day to my list, so
minimizing keystrokes is important. I've incorporated the changes you
suggested to my script and put 
"macro index B bbt\ny#bounce/edit to BT(alias for Birdtech-L)" 
in .muttrc. "B" bounces (i.e., inserts the "Resent-*" lines) the message 
and brings it up in my editor. Nothing more needs to be done to the
header, and when the editor is exited the message is automatically mailed 
to the list. Very, very, handy for LISTSERV listowners. Now if I could just 
make the script smart enough to do most of the editing...

Thanks, 

-rex

[OT] GUI PGP/MIME mailers?

[Jeremy Blosser]

Sorry for the off topic question... can any of you recommend any GUI MUAs
that support PGP/MIME instead of just old-style?  I've got some people I'm
moving from Windows to Linux, and this is one of the overriding needs for a
MUA for them.

Thanks.

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Re: how to show mailboxes only per default?

[Richard Hitier]

hi,
i had try something like
 folder-hook ~/Mail 'push '
but obviously(?) it does nt work. However, no error reading the .muttrc.

what's really obvious is that i did nt understand how 'folder-hook' works.
are there any mistakes?

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Re: [OT] GUI PGP/MIME mailers?

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
Don't know about if they will support pgp/MIME. But all the X11 mail
clients are very alpha. And IMO, these are two of the best which
supports both pgp and mime..

http://ishmail.linuxbox.com/
http://xfmail.slappy.org/

Also, how hard will it be to write a GUI front-end of mutt? I
would love to join in such a project. Let's write one that looks
exactly the same as outlook.

Cheers,

Shao.

Jeremy Blosser [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Sorry for the off topic question... can any of you recommend any GUI MUAs
> that support PGP/MIME instead of just old-style?  I've got some people I'm
> moving from Windows to Linux, and this is one of the overriding needs for a
> MUA for them.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [OT] GUI PGP/MIME mailers?

[Jeremy Blosser]

Shao Zhang [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>   Don't know about if they will support pgp/MIME. But all the X11 mail
>   clients are very alpha. And IMO, these are two of the best which
>   supports both pgp and mime..

Before this swings wide open, let me be perfectly clear: I'm interested
specifically in info on ones that support PGP/MIME.  That's it.  Finding
PGP ones is not hard at all.

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Re: unable to use IMAP

[Brendan Cully]

On Tuesday, 12 October 1999 at 10:18, Raju K V wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I am attaching the .muttdebug0 which I got after running mutt -d4. The
> password has been blanked out.

[SNIP]

> mutt_socket_write():a0004 FETCH 1:5 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE RFC822.SIZE 
>BODY.PEEK[HEADER.FIELDS (DATE FROM SUBJECT TO CC MESSAGE-ID REFERENCES CONTENT-TYPE 
>IN-REPLY-TO REPLY-TO)])
> mutt_socket_read_line_d():* 1 FETCH (FLAGS () INTERNALDATE "12-Oct-1999 11:18:49 
>+0530" RFC822.SIZE 2865 BODY[HEADER.FIELDS ("DATE" "FROM" "SUBJECT" "TO" "CC" 
>"MESSAGE-ID" "REFERENCES" "CONTENT-TYPE" "IN-REPLY-TO" "REPLY-TO")] {414}
> fetching message 1
> mutt_socket_read_line_d():)
> imap_parse_fetch(): bogus FLAGS entry: 
> imap_open_mailbox(): msgcount is 0

something's up here. Maybe the FLAGS () line is getting misparsed. It
shouldn't be since that's not an unusual response. I'll take a look -
er, not this weekend since I am travelling. a bit later. Thanks for the
report...

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Re: [OT] GUI PGP/MIME mailers?

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On [19991014 07:01], Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>Sorry for the off topic question... can any of you recommend any GUI MUAs
>that support PGP/MIME instead of just old-style?  I've got some people I'm
>moving from Windows to Linux, and this is one of the overriding needs for a
>MUA for them.

XFMail?  Balsa?  Mahogany?

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Re: mutt overwriting folders

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On [19991013 20:14], Goran Koruga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>1. I am not able to rebind 'N' key. This is what I use in .muttrc :
>
>   bind pager N search-opposite
>   bind generic N search-opposite
>
>   but it won't work. What am I doing wrong ?

unbind N first?

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Re: [OT] GUI PGP/MIME mailers?

[Chris Green]

On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:29AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> On [19991014 07:01], Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >Sorry for the off topic question... can any of you recommend any GUI MUAs
> >that support PGP/MIME instead of just old-style?  I've got some people I'm
> >moving from Windows to Linux, and this is one of the overriding needs for a
> >MUA for them.
> 
> XFMail?  Balsa?  Mahogany?
> 
Mahogany shows promise but is, in my opinion, still being developed so
fast that it's not very stable yet.  xfmail is OK (I almost started
using it) but is using an old GUI library and shows no signs of having
any active support any more.  balsa seems a bit limited to me.

You might also want to look at xcmail and the MUA I'm now moving to,
tkrat.

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