Re: Idea for additionnal funding
lets hire eminem and make him play theo, so he'll still have time for coding, and no matter if the movie breakes it or not , ill be payed by profit from the audio cds... with Obsd? :P seriously guys cant why cant i find a proper money driver ?! soo lets push him tru us senate, somehow... neko "not intend to polute at all seriously" _ ___ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
dd performance question
Hi all, having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using lowest PIO mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a 8 MB buffer , 2 cases are : on same pata strip, one on each strip, important to note that the booted drive is the if's straight up to my slave. (yea i know ill have to run fsck afterwards since itll think it still mounted) and having no user but su himself. i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking ill use the 16mb bus transfer divided at most in 4, per second, but i achieved that in a minute instead. this is really poor performance, 3 days for 250gb transfer at 4mb bs dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4m so what if i was to use dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4000m or more, or reflecting number sector divided by lets say 16... would in the end i get the same effect, what are the plateau i should top of, a mb is way too cheezy i have 512mb of ram, would 512mb be the most ? the machine is idling either way. neko
Re: dd performance question on rawdev and shtbios
other note jonathan the box im using doesnt support the whole drive, but bsd's kernel doesnt once its loaded, i fear the rawdevices would bring me back to the unsupported drive in bios issue, would raw dev use my bios's specs, or the bsd's specs, ill peek at the src, but if someone could comment that.. cheers ! neko --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Jonathan Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jonathan Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: dd performance question > To: "Neko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:24 PM > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:58:30PM -0700, Neko wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using lowest PIO > mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a 8 MB > buffer , > > > > 2 cases are : on same pata strip, one on each strip, > > > > important to note that the booted drive is the > if's straight up to my slave. > > (yea i know ill have to run fsck afterwards since itll > think it still mounted) > > and having no user but su himself. > > > > i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking ill use the > 16mb bus transfer > > divided at most in 4, per second, but i achieved that > in a minute instead. > > this is really poor performance, 3 days for 250gb > transfer at 4mb bs > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4m > > This hits the buffer cache, use raw devices for anything > apart > from mounting, ie /dev/rwd0c
TYPO FIX::dd performance question on rawdev and shtbios
a typo error in my last mail makes it incomprenhensible so > other note jonathan the box im using doesnt support the > whole drive, > but bsd's kernel DOES once its loaded, i fear the > rawdevices would > bring me back to the unsupported drive in bios issue, > > would raw dev use my bios's specs, or the bsd's > specs, > > ill peek at the src, but if someone could comment that.. > > > cheers ! > > neko > > > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Jonathan Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > This hits the buffer cache, use raw devices for > > anything > > apart > > from mounting, ie /dev/rwd0c Neko wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using > > > lowest PIO > > > mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a 8 > > > MB > > > buffer , > > > > > > 2 cases are : on same pata strip, one on each > > > strip, > > > > > > important to note that the booted drive is the > > > if's straight up to my slave. > > > (yea i know ill have to run fsck afterwards since > > > itll > > > think it still mounted) > > > and having no user but su himself. > > > > > > i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking ill > > > use the > > > 16mb bus transfer > > > divided at most in 4, per second, but i achieved > > > that > > > in a minute instead. > > > this is really poor performance, 3 days for > > > 250gb > > > transfer at 4mb bs > > > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4m > > > neko
Re: dd performance question
please dont use ted's way of anwsering question, IT PERSONNAL TED THATS WHAT, if you cant stay on a subject go away, neko --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: dd performance question > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:26 PM > I'm going to ask the obvious question. Why are you > trying to do > whatever it is you're trying to do the hardest way > possible? > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Neko > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using lowest PIO > mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a 8 MB > buffer , > > > > 2 cases are : on same pata strip, one on each strip, > > > > important to note that the booted drive is the > if's straight up to my slave. > > (yea i know ill have to run fsck afterwards since itll > think it still mounted) > > and having no user but su himself. > > > > i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking ill use the > 16mb bus transfer > > divided at most in 4, per second, but i achieved that > in a minute instead. > > this is really poor performance, 3 days for 250gb > transfer at 4mb bs > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4m > > > > so what if i was to use > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4000m > > > > or more, or reflecting number sector divided by lets > say 16... would in > > the end i get the same effect, what are the plateau i > should top of, > > a mb is way too cheezy > > > > i have 512mb of ram, would 512mb be the most ? the > machine is idling either way. > > > > > > neko
Re: dd performance question
> You are > proving nothing with this test. iv check the manuals and take a hint : raw dev arent in there so low your row ill check it , i think after a think thank of 3x72 hours straight 33x install 6 os you would start and think. You havent proving me that you read my question neko --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: dd performance question > To: "Neko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 8:07 AM > These types of tests should be run against the raw device. > You are > proving nothing with this test. > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:58:30PM -0700, Neko wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using lowest PIO > mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a 8 MB > buffer , > > > > 2 cases are : on same pata strip, one on each strip, > > > > important to note that the booted drive is the > if's straight up to my slave. > > (yea i know ill have to run fsck afterwards since itll > think it still mounted) > > and having no user but su himself. > > > > i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking ill use the > 16mb bus transfer > > divided at most in 4, per second, but i achieved that > in a minute instead. > > this is really poor performance, 3 days for 250gb > transfer at 4mb bs > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4m > > > > so what if i was to use > > > > dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/wd1c bs=4000m > > > > or more, or reflecting number sector divided by lets > say 16... would in > > the end i get the same effect, what are the plateau i > should top of, > > a mb is way too cheezy > > > > i have 512mb of ram, would 512mb be the most ? the > machine is idling either way. > > > > > > neko
Re: dd performance question
there is no wonder its an "ensteinium dinosaur" piece of hardware travels a lot an sometimes ends up in 486, p1 or p111, i had to backup this biggy in a fly, and since the kernel was supporting it, but while the bios was bewildered i was able to make the copy, some suggested the raw device , next time the opportunity occurs ill try it since i seen improvement on the generic device, but somehow i think ill have to go back to the 2 1/2 days scenario, if this hardware restriction occurs again. i doupt raw device will go up to the end of the drive as did the generic one since bios doesnt even. anyways the drives are out, got lot of time to cover the subject during that time , just a few abstactions that i needed to verify with the bsd team thanks neko --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Siegbert Marschall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Siegbert Marschall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: dd performance question > To: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:35 AM > >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:58:30PM -0700, Neko > wrote: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > having a 250 GB drive on a PATA strip using > lowest PIO > >> mode (without dma if possible), drive specs show a > 8 MB > >> buffer , > >> > > .. > > >> > i had ran mine at 4mb block space thinking > ill use the > >> 16mb bus transfer > >> > divided at most in 4, per second, but i > achieved that > >> in a minute instead. > >> > this is really poor performance, 3 days for > 250gb > >> transfer at 4mb bs > >> > > > what do you expect ? PIO0 ist max. 3mbyte/sec, in reality > more like 1-2mbyte/sec. that's 125000sec=34hours if you > are > lucky, 3days if you are unlucky. > > switch to UDMA4/5/6 and you will get >30mbyte/sec but > no, > I wan't no DMA and lowest PIO. > > some days one is really wondering... > > -sm
reliable, dd over simple ip network
Good day to all of you, i have found a really dirty way of going around this, so im fishing for advices on finding a reliable way to dd over simple ip network with the generic bsd. could this be done in a straight pipe ? i have an ftp on the generic bsd, containing data, this bsd system is on a multiple os drive. i have no choice to dd, since multiple partition got updated out of hand, no way to single track specific updated folders. *well actually yes, its the dirty way stipulated above* since my partitions have 16% free on all systems, i cant tarball the drive sent it to target machine and uncompress, anyays, if you have suggestion on opensource pkgs, services i could open, or any bright idea i would like to hear them, since my solution for now is screwdrivers :C thanks neko
Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network
wow thanks for your time, yes i already master dd, and i have to use it since im cloning two disk that are identical both disk with more that 5 partition / 6 os. i have no choice I HAVE TO binary copy the disk, and their is a catch since i want to update all my partitions in a fly, since many of them had updates, i normally got track of all of the changes and ftp the small tarballs to the appropriate system, and what i meant by catch is disks are identical i have 16% free on both disk, i cant afford *in the design not monetarly* to dump a tarball that would weight more that a hundred time what i have left for ressources. i am using ip4/ftp/ssh/sftp as of openservices, my question is i need to create a device that could stream the binary flow straight to my disk tru the ip4/sftp/ssh net. more suggestion ? thanks neko --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Mr D R Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Mr D R Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:43 AM > Neko wrote: > > Good day to all of you, > > > > i have found a really dirty way of going around this, > > so im fishing for advices on finding a reliable way > > to dd over simple ip network with the generic bsd. > > > > could this be done in a straight pipe ? > > > > i have an ftp on the generic bsd, containing data, > this > > bsd system is on a multiple os drive. i have no choice > to > > dd, since multiple partition got updated out of hand, > no way > > to single track specific updated folders. *well > actually yes, its > > the dirty way stipulated above* > > > > since my partitions have 16% free on all systems, i > cant tarball the > > drive sent it to target machine and uncompress, > > If you can mount the destination (eg; via NFS or Samba) > then you can > still use tar (it should also be possible to pipe the > tarred stdin > through scp to an sshd enabled destination if you can't > mount it):- > > cd TargetDir && tar cvpf - . | ( cd DestinationDir > && tar xvpf - . ) ; > sync ; sync > > Other choices would include dump (re; $ man dump) and rsync > (re; OpenBSD > packages), but if for some reason you really must use dd > (eg; to clone > a disk/partition), I've not tried it but dd should work > using the > following or similar command over a network mounted > filesystem after > booting to single user with network support mode:- > > dd if=/dev/TargetDisk | ( cd /DestinationDir && dd > of=BackupFile.image ) > ; sync ; sync > > Note that this process is likely to take a very long time > unless you > give dd appropriate ibs and obs or bs value/s to speed it > up (see $ man > dd). > > The destination backup file will also be a raw data (ie; > image) file > which you'll have to mount as a vnode pseudo-device > (see $ man vnconfig) > if you only want to restore a few files and not the whole > disk or > partition at a later date. > > Generally dd isn't a good choice for backing up data > unless you want to > keep clones of hard disks or partitions for replication. > Also when > cloning disks or partitions it is usually more convenient > to remove the > source disk/s and fit it and the destination disk/s to a > spare machine > for cloning. > > Rhys > > > > > anyays, if you have suggestion on opensource pkgs, > services i could open, > > or any bright idea i would like to hear them, > > > > since my solution for now is screwdrivers :C > > > > thanks > > > > neko
Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network
since tar can be a device, and ssh open a port can i use straight device to device using both engines ? --- On Thu, 10/16/08, John Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network > To: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:26 PM > Maybe the simplest usage: > > tar cfz - /somedir | ssh somehost "dd > of=/somefile.tgz" > > John > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:42:17AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty > wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 09:28:56PM -0700, Neko wrote: > > > > > since my partitions have 16% free on all systems, > i cant tarball the > > > drive sent it to target machine and uncompress, > > > > Tarball it up, pipe the output somewhere, eg via ssh > > > > (disclaimer: untested; concept only) > > > > [tar commands, to stdout] | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > - [tar commands to > > untar the ball] or > tarball.tgz > > > > Or use rsync? > > > > Doug.
Fw: reliable, dd over simple ip network =FIX!=
i think mr Henderson actually found what i was looking for. anybody whith a better idea im still interested in some other way allthou i knew ssh was *the stuff* i didnt know it could be lunched that way --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Neko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Neko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network > To: "Stuart Henderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > nice !! i didnt know whe could pass command to ssh like > that, > i read the man, but sumhow that was written to big :D > > great exactly what i needed, better off than nc > > thanks soo much!! *pulling manual* > > neko > > > you replyed me with an actual filename.tar, > > > witch i already specified i couldnt afford on the > > setup. > > > > eh? a pipe doesn't involve a file. > > > > # ssh somehost dd if=/dev/rwd0c bs=64k | dd > of=/dev/rwd0c > > bs=64k > > > > now, ssh isn't on the normal ramdisk kernel, so > you > > either > > need an installed system (maybe onto a USB drive), or > > something > > like a kernel from > > http://www.mindrot.org/projects/flashboot/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network
complete binary data of wd0c (more than 6 partitions) on one fly. neko --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], misc@openbsd.org > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:29 PM > > will work out much faster and better than plain old > dd(1). > > > > On the other side you have to run > > > > # | restore xf - > > > > -Girish > > > > whats the going to be? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
oT - ffsdrv / ufs2tools free alternative , to read ffs AND/OR BSD SWAP in xp..
Hi, after a few trial i haven't got much chance with the ffsdrv, and the code seems kinda old, i *think* some changes occured in the lasts version that make this obsolete, im about to have a poke at ufs2tools, anyways this is what im hacking rite now. (tbc) i didn't have any luck finding a nice program like Swapfs for openbsd's swap (again to be open under m$). if someone have seen some of these projects that are updated or new around, it would be good to share the info , get the knowledge back in google... (anything that would work and isn't a pretentious 499$). in any case i will try and hack the rawfs/filefs code, and get as much src on the table as i can, since this is becoming a necessity. thanks neko
Re: oT - ffsdrv / ufs2tools free alternative , to read ffs AND/OR BSD SWAP in xp..
okay some of you have suggested ext2ifs and ffsdrv, both prog might work with bsd configured as primary on a secondary drive , but mine is on the same drive as windows in an extended partition, (8) ifs and ffs are as sloppy as a welfare recipient so far i have found that http://www.acc.umu.se/~bosse/ swapfs and ext2fs and reiserfs works, im setup in OPENBSD THOU, and i need a driver that would do the same as these two, i dont are if they cant write, as long as i can read ill be happy, ^^ allthou writing to the openbsd swap part would be nice ^^ i have 8 os on this SAME harddrive, reading the extended partition ^^ that are bsd with my micosoft xp/vista would be welcome, and would ^ save me LOTS of space havin to import everything out of my bsd's ftp thats on the SaMe drive. any good suggestion welcomed --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Neko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Neko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: oT - ffsdrv / ufs2tools free alternative , to read ffs AND/OR BSD > SWAP in xp.. > To: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:14 PM > Hi, > > after a few trial i haven't got much chance with the > ffsdrv, and the code > seems kinda old, i *think* some changes occured in the > lasts version > that make this obsolete, im about to have a poke at > ufs2tools, anyways > this is what im hacking rite now. (tbc) > > i didn't have any luck finding a nice > program like Swapfs for openbsd's swap (again to be > open under m$). > > if someone have seen some of these projects that are > updated or new > around, it would be good to share the info , get the > knowledge back > in google... (anything that would work and isn't a > pretentious 499$). > > > in any case i will try and hack the rawfs/filefs code, and > get as much > src on the table as i can, since this is becoming a > necessity. > > > thanks > > neko
NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?
so there can be an end to this retard "cant write on the file system" bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine, not just vm , they will local install too, so action should be taken to have a filesystem stream that can be viewed by anyone, neko
Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?
way to be openminded. keep using what we feed you, effortlessly. somhow here , most people i know use 4 os, dos/ms/lin/bsd oddly enough freebsd / osx have compatibility by default. but they wouldnt know would they. neko i considered your mail as troll --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? > To: "OpenBSD" > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 3:10 AM > Neko wrote: > > > this is the future. people use multiple os on their > machine > > That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way > more popular ten years ago > than now. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say > that most people - even > if their machine is set up to boot multiple systems - > really just use one OS > per computer. On the other hand, CIFS/NFS network storage > devices are cheap, > and people can use them whether they dual boot, or simply > have multiple > machines on their network. Then too, a lot of people just > use boring old > thumb drives to store data that all their systems can use. > -- > Matthew Weigel > hacker > unique & idempot.ent
Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?
its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no external drives, and use more than one os alternative. i pass data from bsd to fat 32 so in m$ its then copy onto ntfs, i have 1 disk - 8 os, nothing is being done , but more and more ultraportables sells, yes it could be resolv into using an ext2 partition instead, but that is not resolving a problem its going around it covering eyes and ears. my stuff works, its just a pain , and ffs driver in windooz cant read more than one disklabel. bsd suggest using more than one partition, in that problem , one is the solution, next time i wont RTFM, and do as i see fit because their more opinions than guidlines. now as for backwards bsd. why does freebsd write to ntfs? why does osx write to ntfs.. seems to me that is more some obstination done not to support it. shure im doing it wrong , because nothing is being done. but shure a color-ls.pkg is more important if you ask me, SARCASTIC neko --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "misc@openbsd.org" > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:02 PM > If you need to write to ntfs, you're doing it wrong. > > On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Neko > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > so there can be an end to this retard "cant write > on the file > > system" bs > > > > http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ > > > > > > so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? > > this is the future. people use multiple os on their > machine, not just > > vm , they will local install too, so action should be > taken to have > > a filesystem stream that can be viewed by anyone, > > > > > > neko
ntfs never ever ffs land obsd ?
im trying to report the issue of the ffs driver you sent me to its developper, yes it can access disk labels. yes it sees other disk labels, but if you have /home on disk label d it wont work my disklabel is kinda like so bsd wd0a / wd0b -swap- wd0c -disk- wd0d /home exotic wd0i /dos wd0j /xp wd0k /ntfs plus there is an ext2 and plan 9 partition. linux does it all, plan9 is self capsuled, but still accessible from linux, xp reads all even the swap of linux, i but bsd, ... i have to pass all from ffs > fat32 > ntfs or ntfs > fat32 > ffs and its not even a virtual volume in windows, its a phisical extended partition. i know its a warzone in the partitions fields when it come to multiple os i have being dealing with this since bsd 3.7. now i use bsd from 2.7 to 3.7 enjoying no microsolft products at all, not even linux, then i had to because of work /contract requirements, now its 4.4 about 8y later, and nothing is done, since my system grew from bsd, its on bsd, not ext2, ext3 or reiser, shure its readable in hex and security sucks, but thats the point , readability. but its odd, nothing reads it properly. neko --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Alexey Suslikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Alexey Suslikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? > To: "Jonathan Schleifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 4:19 PM > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jonathan Schleifer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Alexey Suslikov" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also > free > >> and do read/write on ext2 for Windows. > > > > Crashed my ext2 data partition more than once, but I > could always > > recover it with e2fsck, but the files in / all lost > their names then. > > However, the stuff in sub directories still had names. > So /foo/bar > > was /lost+found/$inode_no/bar after e2fsck. > > So? > > I crashed many FAT32 partitions. NTFS is kinda complex > to crash but, as discussed above, it is hard to access in > full-blown read/write mode from non-Windows. > > Don't want to use ext2? You have more choices. > > Go http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/index.php and help this > guy > to add write support to FFS driver for Windows. > > Alexey
Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?
IF YOU took time to read PROPERLY Jonathan, the drivers WORKS, BUT ONLY FOR ONE NATIVE ENTRY in the disklabel. but like I WROTE, i structured my bsd system in more THAN ONE native bsd entry ie /usr/local ... IS ON wd0e if i load wd0e i get the proper size, but what's ls on my screen IS THE MAIN ROOT. so get back to your project , ill get back to subsidaries who actually cares about openbsd full market deployment overlordship. enjoy, neko --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jonathan Schleifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jonathan Schleifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? > To: "Aram HAVARNEANU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:29 AM > Am 27.10.2008 um 10:49 schrieb Aram HAVARNEANU: > > > I have been using it extensively for several years > (since it first > > appeared) on about ~10 systems and never had a single > problem > > with it. Is your bug reproducible? Did you fill a bug > report? > > It was reproducable, as it seemed to always happen when an > application > tried to write to it. Some directories would get unreadble > in Windows > then and when booting back to Linux, the FS was always > unclean and > e2fsck tried to fix it with the beforementioned result. > > I did not report it as the driver seemed to be already dead > at that > time. The driver still doesn't run on Vista, but the > ext2fsd driver > does, so I think fs-driver.org can be considered obsoleted > by ext2fsd > - which has its own, different problems (at least no data > loss), but > supports UTF-8 encoded filenames. > > -- > Jonathan > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > application/pgp-signature which had a name of PGP.sig]
NTFS EXPERT Read/Write MULTI OS ready to DEPLOY on HIS obsd ?
WO obviously you read what you want to read, i have being using openbsd since 2.6 and contributing, so please read before posting. ihave being wanted this request since 3.7. nothing has being done, allthou a project like backtrack, released it in their first month of deployment. a computer is a lock , code is the key, and for some reason your saying some keys shouldnt be used but are used. you getting digital dusted here, im suggesting and your flaming back to either get the f out or got to microsoft YOU HAVE SERIOUS TROLLING ISSUES thanks for everything leaveing you for tech for good I KNEW BUT NOW I KNOW WHY THEO NEVER READS MISC --- On Mon, 10/27/08, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready > to merge on cvs obsd ? > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:40 AM > > On Sunday 26 October 2008, Neko wrote: > > > its shows that some poor trolls here dont own > > ultraportables with no > > > external drives, and use more than one os > alternative. > > > > > > i pass data from bsd to fat 32 so in m$ its then > copy > > onto ntfs, > > > i have 1 disk - 8 os, > > > > > > nothing is being done , but more and more > > ultraportables sells, > > > > > > > > > yes it could be resolv into using an ext2 > partition > > instead, but that > > > is not resolving a problem its going around it > > covering eyes and > > > ears. > > > > > > my stuff works, its just a pain , and ffs driver > in > > windooz cant > > > read more than one disklabel. bsd suggest using > more > > than one > > > partition, in that problem , one is the solution, > > > next time i wont > > > RTFM, and do as i see fit because their more > opinions > > than guidlines. > > > > > > now as for backwards bsd. why does freebsd write > to > > ntfs? why does > > > osx write to ntfs.. seems to me that is more > some > > obstination done > > > not to support it. > > > > > > > > > shure im doing it wrong , because nothing is > being > > done. > > > > > > but shure a color-ls.pkg is more important if you > ask > > me, SARCASTIC > > > > > > neko > > > > neko, > > > > Your impolite off list response to me was one thing, > but > > publicly > > calling Ted Unangst a troll is pure stupidity. Ted is > one > > of the people > > kind enough to give you OpenBSD. > > > > The only good thing about you being stupid enough to > put 8 > > operating > > systems on one disk is the people on this mailing list > have > > an 87.5% > > chance you'll decide to use some other OS, > uninstall > > OpenBSD, > > unsubscribe from misc@, and your pointless bitching > will > > end. > > > > You and everyone else dumb enough to run the > read/write > > NTFS code > > offered by ntfs-g3.org or similar are only one > > "Windows Update" away > > from corrupting all your data. The NTFS file system is > > intentionally > > undocumented, so Microsoft can, and will, change their > > internal NTFS > > specification whenever they want. This means your > misguided > > use of the > > ntfs-g3.org code can start destroying your NTFS data > > whenever Microsoft > > decides they want your data destroyed. > > > > Microsoft very intentionally tries to make sure their > > products are > > undocumented and incompatible for two reasons; (1) it > > allows Microsoft > > to lock-in the end users, and (2) some end users and > some > > free software > > developers are dumb enough to burn up all their time > and > > resources > > attempting to attain and maintain compatibility with > > Microsoft's ever > > changing undocumented crap. > > > > There really are people in the world smart enough to > avoid > > wasting their > > time with intentionally undocumented and incompatible > crap > > from vendors > > like Microsoft. You are obviously not one of them. You > are > > not even > > smart enough to understand the real problems caused by > > running a sad > > hack to access an undocumented file system that the > vendor > > can change > > at any moment. Worse yet, you're dumb enough to > bitch > > and complain > > because OpenBSD is smart enough to prevent you from > > shooting yourself > > in the foot with unreliable file system code. > > > > The best thing you can do is uninstall OpenBSD, > unsubscribe > > from misc@, > > and continue down your ignorant path to eventual data > > destruction using > > one of the seven other operating systems you currently > have > > installed. > > > > -JCR
"J.C. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> saiz > OpenBSD. --We won't miss you.
SO YOU HUNT DOWN PEOPLE FOR , AFTER I COUNTERFLAME THE FACT OF SOMEONE TELLING ME TO GO TO AN OTHER PROJECT, I WONT REMOVE THE CAPS CAUSE YOU WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NOW YOUR ASKING ME TO PAY OF FUCK OFF. YOUR BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU I DO TELL MY CUSTOMERS THAT THIS FORUM/PROJECT IS LEGENDARY FOR TROLLING BUT YOUR ABUSE RITE THERE IS BEYOND PUSHER MARKETING. contribute people or hell hunt your down to diss you on the forums git a life neko --- On Tue, 10/28/08, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NTFS EXPERT Read/Write MULTI OS ready to DEPLOY on HIS obsd ? > To: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:30 AM > On Tuesday 28 October 2008, Neko wrote: > > i have being using openbsd since 2.6 and contributing, > so > > please read before posting. > > > > Liar. > > http://mlblog.osdir.com/openbsd.tech/2002-10/msg00208.shtml > > You also took a 5 year long break between 2003 and 2008. > You should take > another 5 year long break, or even better, take a permanent > break from > OpenBSD. --We won't miss you. > > > > > YOU HAVE SERIOUS TROLLING ISSUES > > > > Nope. You've been rude to everyone, both on list and > off. You have even > insulted a number of the developers who gave you OpenBSD, > including > Theo, Nick Holland, Ted Unangst and others, both on misc@ > and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives of the mailing lists have plenty of examples > of you > insulting people and doing nothing more than whining. > > -JCR
