Re: undeadly
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > First laptop has ion3, editor is emacs with custom emacs.conf: > > https://www.poolp.org/~gilles/emacs/emacs.conf Just found this. It seems interesting: http://notion.sourceforge.net/ cheers, David
Re: OpenBSD on EC2/Amazon
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 04:26:06PM -0700, Tyler Morgan wrote: > On 4/25/2012 1:55 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > >On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:42:30AM -0500, Fernando Quintero wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>I have a question: > >> > >>?Is anyone working to make possible run OpenBSD on Amazon EC2? > >> > >>now, It is possible to run NetBSD and FreeBSD, but I can not find much > >>information about the progress of OpenBSD on this topic. > >> > >>Thanks in advanced. > >I don't think anybody is working on this. > > > >But there are several VPS companies around (arpnetworks.com is one) > >that are OpenBSD friendly. > > > >*If* I want to run a VPS, I rather give my money to a small compmay > >that some behemoth. > > > >But note that virtual systems have many drawbacks. Most importantly, > >the security of OpenBSD (or any system run on a virtual system) is > >bounded by the security of the VM implementation. It's another layer > >that could cause security problems. > > > > -Otto > > > > Couldn't be timed better, VMWare confirms ESX source code leak: > > http://blogs.vmware.com/security/2012/04/vmware-security-note.html > > I'm sure hypervisor->guest VM exploits exist already, and hopefully > this will lead to more, because it is nearly unaddressed in all the > virtual computing I work with. > > -- In an ideal world, availability of source code should not matter. Most interesting exploits are probably guest1 -> hypervisor (and then -> guest2). I refuse to believe that the glued on hardware suppport for virtulization on modern i386/amd64 processors have a real value wrt security. This kind of thing can only be done right if it's done from the start when designing the processor architecture. -Otto
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Re: undeadly
> David Coppa wrote: > Just found this. It seems interesting: > http://notion.sourceforge.net/ > cheers, > David This is interesting too (first paragraph), from the Ion author: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
Re: undeadly
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: > This is interesting too (first paragraph), from the Ion author: > http://tuomov.iki.fi/software Guess why Ion3 isn't in ports anymore. --- Lars
Re: undeadly
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Lars Hansson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: >> This is interesting too (first paragraph), from the Ion author: >> http://tuomov.iki.fi/software > > Guess why Ion3 isn't in ports anymore. Or more correctly, guess why it's a stone-age version. --- Lars
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Re: Why does the ports system delete distfiles?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 07:33, Alexander Hall wrote: > Alan Corey wrote: > >>I've seen this before, I wonder if there's some environment variable I >>can set to stop it? >> >>I try make fetch on a port, it fails due to a bad site. I hit Ctrl-C >>to >>stop it, it goes to the next site and downloads the file. Then it >>deletes >>the file when it finishes. I type make install and it tries the bad >>site >>again... >> >> Alan > > I'd guess one or more subprocesses ignore SIGINT while others (=make?) > don't, and thus the fetching proceeds but when it's done, make exits, > after the appropriate cleanup. Don't know if it's trivially fixed. ^Z, pkill ftp, fg...
Re: Why does the ports system delete distfiles?
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:34:24PM -0400, Alan Corey wrote: I've seen this before, I wonder if there's some environment variable I can set to stop it? Nope. I try make fetch on a port, it fails due to a bad site. I hit Ctrl-C to stop it, it goes to the next site and downloads the file. Then it deletes the file when it finishes. I type make install and it tries the bad site again... That's the way make works. Don't hit ^C. Changing this is impossible, since make sees the ^C, being the controlling process and all. Oh, and if the site is really bad, report the site. If it's not, fix your network config. I hardly notice anymore since dpb fetches things for me. It doesn't have to be just ^C that stops it, if my ISP disconnects me or the connection times out, anything that can go wrong causes it to happen. I'd like to be able to resume with wget --continue but there's nothing to continue. In fact I have FETCH_CMD defined as 'wget --continue' but it never has a chance to work. I can spend an hour downloading then lose it all. This site in question is for net/trafshow, the nsk.su site: Resolving ftp.nsk.su (ftp.nsk.su)... 212.20.0.102 Connecting to ftp.nsk.su (ftp.nsk.su)|212.20.0.102|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... The server refuses login. Retrying. It could be temporary (too many users at the moment, etc.) but I got it 2 days in a row. Back to manually fetching I guess. FreeBSD has something like "make fetchlist recursive" that gives paths to the distfile and dependancies which is a big help. I'm still working on fetching all the parts to libreoffice, for at least 2 weeks now. The default site in Hungary times out on modem slowness so I search with Google for each file and find them buried at fedoraproject in directory names like 5eb8e1950f91198ae1e7ddc6c1dd19fd. Alan
Re: Why does the ports system delete distfiles?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:09:38AM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > >> > >> Alan > > > > I'd guess one or more subprocesses ignore SIGINT while others (=make?) > > don't, and thus the fetching proceeds but when it's done, make exits, > > after the appropriate cleanup. Don't know if it's trivially fixed. > > ^Z, pkill ftp, fg... Or seriously, use dpb instead. The "fetch" code was specifically written to alleviate all of normal "make fetch" problems, including resuming partial downloads and doing somewhat smart things wrt checksums. Like I said, I don't even notice the ftp issues any more.
Re: bnx[01] -> trunk0 -> vlan119 -> carp119 problem
Stuart Henderson spacehopper.org> writes: > I setup carp-on-vlan-on-trunk-on-bnx0/1 on an R210-II running 5.1 > the other day, no trouble. In this case they're webservers so I didn't > set net.inet.ip.forwarding in sysctl.conf and i'm using ip balancing > rather than simple carp failover. OK, something very odd going on here. I destroyed the interface and manually created it (ie not via hostname.carp119) and it worked. I can't see the difference here. See the following output: # ifconfig carp119 destroy # # ifconfig carp119 carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 pass riohperi advskew 10 # ifconfig carp119 inet 213.133.66.67 netmask 255.255.255.248 -inet6 # ifconfig carp119 carp119: flags=28843 # mtu 1500 lladdr 00:00:5e:00:01:77 priority: 0 carp: MASTER carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 advbase 1 advskew 10 groups: carp status: master inet 213.133.66.67 netmask 0xfff8 broadcast 213.133.66.71 # tcpdump -vni vlan119 proto carp tcpdump: listening on vlan119, link-type EN10MB tcpdump: WARNING: compensating for unaligned libpcap packets 20:25:02.077789 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 8952, len 56) 20:25:03.127836 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 32794, len 56) 20:25:04.177887 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 15849, len 56) 20:25:05.227937 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 58244, len 56) ^C 7 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel # ifconfig carp119 destroy # cat /etc/hostname.carp119 inet 213.133.66.67 255.255.255.248 carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 pass riohperi advskew 10 -inet6 # sh /etc/netstart carp119 # ifconfig carp119 carp119: flags=28843 # mtu 1500 lladdr 00:00:5e:00:01:77 priority: 0 carp: MASTER carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 advbase 1 advskew 10 groups: carp status: master inet 213.133.66.67 netmask 0xfff8 broadcast 213.133.66.71 # tcpdump -vni vlan119 proto carp tcpdump: listening on vlan119, link-type EN10MB ^C 6 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel #
Re: bnx[01] -> trunk0 -> vlan119 -> carp119 problem [SOLVED}
Aha! I have finally solved this. I've no idea *why* it is happening, but it seems the order of the lines in /etc/hostname.carp119 is an issue. It seems that the inet config needs to come after the carp details. See below: # ifconfig carp119 destroy # cat /etc/hostname.carp119 carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 pass riohperi advskew 10 inet 213.133.66.67 255.255.255.248 -inet6 # sh /etc/netstart carp119 # tcpdump -vni vlan119 proto carp tcpdump: listening on vlan119, link-type EN10MB tcpdump: WARNING: compensating for unaligned libpcap packets 20:58:15.463217 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 22063, len 56) 20:58:16.513263 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 52720, len 56) 20:58:17.563312 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 19235, len 56) 20:58:18.613363 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 41410, len 56) 20:58:19.663414 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 57891, len 56) 20:58:20.713464 carp 213.133.66.65 > 224.0.0.18: CARPv2-advertise 36: # vhid=119 advbase=1 advskew=10 demote=0 (DF) [tos 0x10] (ttl 255, id # 32986, len 56) ^C 24 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel # mg /etc/hostname.carp119 # cat /etc/hostname.carp119 inet 213.133.66.67 255.255.255.248 carpdev vlan119 vhid 119 pass riohperi advskew 10 -inet6 # ifconfig carp119 destroy # sh /etc/netstart carp119 # tcpdump -vni vlan119 proto carp tcpdump: listening on vlan119, link-type EN10MB ^C 6 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel -Matt
Re: undeadly
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:02:46AM +0200, David Coppa wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > First laptop has ion3, editor is emacs with custom emacs.conf: > > > > ? ? ?https://www.poolp.org/~gilles/emacs/emacs.conf > > Just found this. It seems interesting: > > http://notion.sourceforge.net/ > gr lua still :-( -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org | http://pool.ps @poolpOrg
Re: undeadly
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 08:52:03PM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Lars Hansson wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: > >> This is interesting too (first paragraph), from the Ion author: > >> http://tuomov.iki.fi/software > > > > Guess why Ion3 isn't in ports anymore. > Or more correctly, guess why it's a stone-age version. > bleh ... it does what it advertizes and works pretty fine, I've used it for years and the fact that it's a "stone age" version does not prevent me from working with it both at home & at work. the reason why i like it is precisely because it's simple and doesn't come with tons of features that change all of the time, it's the same look & feel on all systems I use, and has been like that for years. -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org | http://pool.ps @poolpOrg
Re: undeadly
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 08:52:03PM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Lars Hansson wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: >> >> This is interesting too (first paragraph), from the Ion author: >> >> http://tuomov.iki.fi/software >> > >> > Guess why Ion3 isn't in ports anymore. >> Or more correctly, guess why it's a stone-age version. >> > > bleh ... it does what it advertizes and works pretty fine, I've used it > for years and the fact that it's a "stone age" version does not prevent > me from working with it both at home & at work. > > the reason why i like it is precisely because it's simple and doesn't > come with tons of features that change all of the time, it's the same > look & feel on all systems I use, and has been like that for years. > Yes, I concur with this sentiment. Having tried many WMs, and doing repetitive wiping of installs/port building that you eventually want stability and not go hunting why this or that broke. It just diverts your time away from your planned work for that day. So I now use the default fvwm like Marc says he does, but I am looking for a very fast compiled lightweight WM, and will try out the alternatives :-)
Re: Why does the ports system delete distfiles?
On 04/26/12 08:31, Marc Espie wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:34:24PM -0400, Alan Corey wrote:
>> I've seen this before, I wonder if there's some environment variable
>> I can set to stop it?
>
> Nope.
>
>> I try make fetch on a port, it fails due to a bad site. I hit
>> Ctrl-C to stop it, it goes to the next site and downloads the file.
>> Then it deletes the file when it finishes. I type make install and
>> it tries the bad site again...
>
> That's the way make works. Don't hit ^C.
>
> Changing this is impossible, since make sees the ^C, being the controlling
> process and all.
Hmmm, but still, if the process is interrupted, it should not continue
processing the rest of them, if the result is to be discarded anyway.
I believe this comes from a few places where we trap a few signals,
including SIGINT, to perform various cleanup operations. Those should,
apart from the cleanup, also exit the process, like the default SIGINT
handler would.
In the diff below, I put the cleanup in the "EXIT signal handler",
while the rest of the trapped signals merely do 'exit 1', triggering
the EXIT handler, but exiting the process with a non-zero exit code.
Fixes (as in immediately exists, and performs the appropriate cleanup)
the OP's example. Also contains the same change to all the traps in the
ports makefiles, but I only tested the OP's case, as I'm not sure where
the other cases are used.
OK?
/Alexander
Index: bsd.port.mk
===
RCS file: /cvs/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk,v
retrieving revision 1.1164
diff -u -p -r1.1164 bsd.port.mk
--- bsd.port.mk 22 Apr 2012 10:39:48 - 1.1164
+++ bsd.port.mk 26 Apr 2012 22:28:00 -
@@ -1528,7 +1528,9 @@ _DO_LOCK = \
. endfor
_SIMPLE_LOCK = \
- ${_LOCK}; locked=true; trap 'if $$locked; then ${_UNLOCK};
locked=false; fi' 0 1 2 3 13 15
+ ${_LOCK}; locked=true; \
+ trap 'if $$locked; then ${_UNLOCK}; locked=false; fi' 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15
.endif
_SIMPLE_LOCK ?= :
@@ -2809,13 +2811,15 @@ describe:
readme:
@tmpdir=`mktemp -d ${TMPDIR}/readme.XX`; \
- trap "rm -r $$tmpdir" 0 1 2 3 13 15; \
+ trap "rm -r $$tmpdir" 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15; \
cd ${.CURDIR} && PKGPATH=${PKGPATH} ${MAKE} TMPDIR=$$tmpdir
README_NAME=${README_NAME} \
${READMES_TOP}/${PKGPATH}/${FULLPKGNAME${SUBPACKAGE}}.html
readmes:
@tmpdir=`mktemp -d ${TMPDIR}/readme.XX`; \
- trap "rm -r $$tmpdir" 0 1 2 3 13 15; \
+ trap "rm -r $$tmpdir" 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15; \
cd ${.CURDIR} && PKGPATH=${PKGPATH} ${MAKE} TMPDIR=$$tmpdir
README_NAME=${README_NAME} \
${_READMES}
Index: bsd.port.subdir.mk
===
RCS file: /cvs/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.subdir.mk,v
retrieving revision 1.106
diff -u -p -r1.106 bsd.port.subdir.mk
--- bsd.port.subdir.mk 17 Feb 2012 07:41:22 - 1.106
+++ bsd.port.subdir.mk 26 Apr 2012 22:28:00 -
@@ -193,7 +193,8 @@ clean:
readmes:
@${_subdir_fragment}
@tmpdir=`mktemp -d ${TMPDIR}/readme.XX`; \
- trap 'rm -r $$tmpdir' 0 1 2 3 13 15; \
+ trap 'rm -r $$tmpdir' 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15; \
cd ${.CURDIR} && ${MAKE} TMPDIR=$$tmpdir \
${READMES_TOP}/${PKGPATH}/README.html
Index: pkgpath.mk
===
RCS file: /cvs/ports/infrastructure/mk/pkgpath.mk,v
retrieving revision 1.44
diff -u -p -r1.44 pkgpath.mk
--- pkgpath.mk 17 Feb 2012 07:40:35 - 1.44
+++ pkgpath.mk 26 Apr 2012 22:28:00 -
@@ -95,7 +95,8 @@ _depfile_fragment = \
case X$${_DEPENDS_FILE} in \
X) _DEPENDS_FILE=`mktemp ${TMPDIR}/depends.X|| exit 1`;
\
export _DEPENDS_FILE; \
- trap "rm -f $${_DEPENDS_FILE}" 0 1 2 3 13 15;; \
+ trap "rm -f $${_DEPENDS_FILE}" 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15;; \
esac
# the cache may be filled in as root, so try to remove as normal user, THEN
@@ -104,7 +105,8 @@ _cache_fragment = \
case X$${_DEPENDS_CACHE} in \
X) _DEPENDS_CACHE=`mktemp -d ${TMPDIR}/dep_cache.X||
exit 1`; \
export _DEPENDS_CACHE; \
- trap "rm -rf 2>/dev/null $${_DEPENDS_CACHE} || ${SUDO} rm -rf
$${_DEPENDS_CACHE}" 0 1 2 3 13 15;; \
+ trap "rm -rf 2>/dev/null $${_DEPENDS_CACHE} || ${SUDO} rm -rf
$${_DEPENDS_CACHE}" 0; \
+ trap 'exit 1' 1 2 3 13 15;; \
esac; PKGPATH=${PKGPATH}; export PKGPATH
HTMLIFY = sed -e 's/&/\&/g' -e 's/>/\>/g' -e 's/
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Apreciable Ejecutivo: TIEM de Mixico Empresa Lmder en Capacitacisn y Actualizacisn de Capital Humano Pone a su disposicisn un excelente curso denominado: "Negociacisn y Manejo de Conflictos" En la Ciudad de Mixico, el dma 04 de Mayo Inscrmbase por lo menos 5 dmas antes de la fecha del curso y aproveche el 15% de descuento con Inversisn Inmediata No se puede perder esta excelente oportunidad de crecimiento Los conflictos son inherentes al desarrollo de las relaciones tanto a nivel personal como laboral. De la misma forma en que una pelmcula se torna aburrida si no hay un conflicto, la vida y los proyectos deben e tener necesariamente un conflicto para que se pueda lograr algo interesante. Existen lmderes muy dominantes en su estilo de manejar los problemas, y existen lmderes que le temen al conflicto y hacen todo lo posible por evitarlo. Los dos extremos son malos. Debemos comprender que los conflictos se originan en las diferencias entre las personas: diferencias de valores, de ideas, de intereses, de personalidad. Estas diferencias no son el problema, el verdadero problema es que el conflicto entre dos personas rompa el vmnculo que los une, y rompa la capacidad de estar conectados. Un buen lmder de proyecto debe saber que aunque dos personas no se gusten, se les debe ayudar a encontrar un vmnculo en comzn, un objetivo compartido dentro del proyecto. Objetivos del Curso: El participante manejara las diversas situaciones de diferencia, negociacisn y conflicto de una manera eficaz y constructiva, logrando acuerdos de mutuo beneficio y un ambiente positivo de trabajo. Comprender el concepto de conflicto y su tipologma, asm como las formas de enfrentarlos en beneficio de la organizacisn y del personal. Beneficios: Reconocera la importancia del manejo de conflictos en el contexto de las negociaciones a travis de la comunicacisn y escucha asertiva que contribuyan al logro de relaciones positivas a nivel personal y profesional. Adquirira destrezas practicas, no sslo conocimientos tesricos. Participara en ejercicios de representacisn de negociacisn. Interactuara y compartira experiencias con otros participantes interesados en desarrollar sslidas habilidades para el manejo de conflictos. Desarrollara habilidades de comunicacisn verbal y no verbal. Para mayor informacisn, favor de responder este correo con los siguientes datos: Empresa: Nombre: Ciudad: Telifono: O si lo prefiere comunmquese a los telifonos: Del DF al 5611-0969 con 10 lmneas Interior del Pams Lada sin Costo 01 800 900 TIEM (8436) Aceptamos todas las TDC y Dibito. **Promocisn: 3 meses sin Intereses pagando con American Express **Aplica solo con Inversisn Normal .Todos los Derechos Reservados )2011 TIEM Talento e Innovacisn Empresarial de Mixico Este Mensaje le ha sido enviado como usuario de TIEM de Mixico o bien un usuario le refiris para recibir este boletmn. Como usuario de TIEM de Mixico, en este acto autoriza de manera expresa que TIEM de Mixico le puede contactar vma correo electrsnico u otros medios. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, haga caso omiso de il y reporte su cuenta respondiendo este correo con el subject BAJABD Tenga en cuenta que la gestisn de nuestras bases de datos es de suma importancia y no es intencisn de la empresa la inconformidad del receptor.
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Apreciable Ejecutivo: TIEM de Mixico Empresa Lmder en Capacitacisn y Actualizacisn de Capital Humano Le recordamos que el curso de:: "Comunicacisn Asertiva con PNL" Esta Programado para el dma: 07 de Mayo en la Ciudad de Mixico Inscrmbase 5 dmas antes de la fecha del Curso y obtenga un descuento del 15% con Inversisn Inmediata No deje pasar esta oportunidad e Invierta en su Desarrollo Personal y Profesional La Asertividad es una forma de comunicacisn que permite decir lo que uno piensa y actuar en consecuencia, haciendo lo que se considera mas apropiado, sin agredir u ofender a nadie, ni permitir ser agredido u ofendido y evitando situaciones conflictivas, por esta razsn la comunicacisn asertiva en el trabajo es sumamente importante para lograr relaciones agradables aunado a un ambiente de trabajo sano en donde puedan fluir las ideas sin discrepancias y asm llegar con ixito al objetivo de cualquier organizacisn. La comunicacisn asertiva en el area laboral tiene que ver en la interpretacisn de la informacisn Jefe subordinado, en ocasiones cuando la comunicacisn no es clara y asertiva se llega a mal interpretar las indicaciones, por lo tanto las actividades que se hicieron no llevaron el enfoque esperado, dando como resultado un conflicto entre personas y organizacisn, vienen las discusiones, que pudiesen evitarse con una comunicacisn clara que no contenga ruidos que se interpongan en una asimilacisn exacta, que coadyuvara a que todas las estrategias que ha desarrollado la empresa se cumplan conforme a lo esperado. Durante este curso los participantes: Desarrollaran habilidades que les permitan comunicarse de manera asertiva y solidaria en sus relaciones interpersonales usando ticnicas y herramientas de Programacisn Neuroling|mstica. Lograra un manejo productivo de las situaciones conflictivas en cualquier ambito de su vida personal y/o profesional. Si al momento de recibir este correo ya realizo su confirmacisn le pedimos haga caso omiso. De lo contrario, favor de responder este correo con los siguientes datos: Empresa: Nombre: Ciudad: Telifono: O si lo prefiere comunmquese a los telifonos: Del DF al 5611-0969 con 10 lmneas Interior del Pams Lada sin Costo 01 800 900 TIEM (8436) Aceptamos todas las TDC y Dibito. **Promocisn: 3 meses sin Intereses pagando con American Express **Aplica solo con Inversisn Normal .Todos los Derechos Reservados )2011 TIEM Talento e Innovacisn Empresarial de Mixico Este Mensaje le ha sido enviado como usuario de TIEM de Mixico o bien un usuario le refiris para recibir este boletmn. Como usuario de TIEM de Mixico, en este acto autoriza de manera expresa que TIEM de Mixico le puede contactar vma correo electrsnico u otros medios. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, haga caso omiso de il y reporte su cuenta respondiendo este correo con el subject BAJABD Tenga en cuenta que la gestisn de nuestras bases de datos es de suma importancia y no es intencisn de la empresa la inconformidad del receptor.
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V Ateneo 2012 - LAS PATAS DE LA MENTIRA
Escuela Sistimica Argentina Institucisn dedicada a la formacisn, asistencia e investigacisn psicolsgica. Hoy nos acercamos a Uds. para invitarlos a la realizacisn del V Ateneo 2012 ATENEO LAS PATAS DE LA MENTIRA Fragmento significativo de nuestra historia reciente: el registro de los furcios y actos fallidos del mundo polmtico durante la decada del 90. Dma: Viernes 27 de abril de 2012, 19 horas Coordina: Dr. Miguel Rodrmguez Arias Es Licenciado en psicologma, Investigador del discurso de la televisisn y de Internet, Documentalista. Realizs 34 documentales y 9 Ciclos anuales de televisisn en TV abierta y cable, entre 1995 y el presente. Premio Iberoamericano Rey de Espaqa por Las patas de la mentira, (1997) Finalista del Emmy Awards por Las patas de la mentira, (1996-1997) Miembro de la Asociacisn Corresponsales Extranjeros en la Argentina Socio de la DAC, Directores Argentinos Cinematograficos Presentador: Lic. Fernando Rubano ENTRADA LIBRE Y GRATUITA (Sin inscripcisn previa) Prsximos ateneos: Fecha Ateneo Coordinador Presentador 04/05: La vejez no pensada. Dr. Enrique Rozitchner Dr. Marcelo R. Ceberio 11/05: Ateneo clmnico La dinamica de la psicopatologma durante el tratamiento terapiutico. Lic. Silvia Mitjans Dr. Horacio Serebrinsky 01/06: El poder del ahora o el arte de vivir mejor (Refrescando a Eckhart Tolle). Lic. Juan Verni Lic. Graciela Piatti 08/06: "La violencia en el sistema conyugal" Lic. Romina Compes y Lic. Romina Tujague Lic.Juan Verni 29/06: "Bullying" Lic. Stella Anaya Lic. Eliana Durand 24/08: Y si Hamer tendria razon? Psicobiologia, la nueva medicina. Lic. Juan Verni Lic. Claudio Fontana ESCUELA SISTIMICA ARGENTINA Fray J. S. M. Oro 1843 (C1414DBC) Cap. Fed. Tel/ Fax: 4774-2875/6112 - 4899-1053 i...@escuelasistemica.com.ar / www.escuelasistemica.com.ar
