[MlMt] Tags not stored with IMAP?

2017-05-30 Thread Jody Klymak



Perhaps one day MailMate will allow for Dropbox sync with certain 
settings, like Tag Preferences.


Isn’t that what iCloud is supposed to do for mac apps?  I’m not a 
mac developer, and I’m not an expert on all the data that an app like 
MailMate has to store, but I thought one of the cool things about iCloud 
is that it gives developers ways to share application settings and 
document seamlessly between machines?


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Re: [MlMt] Tags not stored with IMAP?

2017-05-31 Thread Jody Klymak



On 30 May 2017, at 22:32, Jody Klymak wrote:

Perhaps one day MailMate will allow for Dropbox sync with certain 
settings, like Tag Preferences.


Isn’t that what iCloud is supposed to do for mac apps?  I’m not a 
mac developer, and I’m not an expert on all the data that an app 
like MailMate has to store, but I thought one of the cool things about 
iCloud is that it gives developers ways to share application settings 
and document seamlessly between machines?


as in 
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/General/Conceptual/iCloudDesignGuide/Chapters/DesigningForKey-ValueDataIniCloud.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012094-CH7-SW1


… of course the developer still has to do something sensible (and 
presumably hard) if someone was offline and made changes.


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Re: [MlMt] Tags not stored with IMAP?

2017-05-31 Thread Jody Klymak

On 31 May 2017, at 10:08, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Some users use iCloud, some don’t. Some use Dropbox, some don’t. 
Some use NextCloud, some don’t. The list goes on…The point is that 
using cloud space for syncing is not that trivial since different 
users will want their favorite cloud space supported as it was already 
discussed on this list. Personally, I think that we would be better of 
using server-based approach, either controlled centrally by Benny or 
using our own service providers (using IMAP technology as the base, 
for example).


The advantage of iCloud is that it is a system-supported synchronization 
solution that has a well-defined API. I also believe that storing 
keys-value pairs just defaults to local storage if iCloud isn’t 
available and/or not selected by the user, and hence is no different 
than an app that only stores preferences locally.  Its *not* the same 
solution as saving *.plist files to a program-defined database on an 
arbitrary server like Dropbox because Dropbox has no easy programatic 
way to warn a local version of the program not to write a preference 
because a copy already exists that was modified on another device. 
Conversely, iCloud has a whole API for that.


My guess would be that the biggest drawback for MailMate would be the 
lack of transparency for various *.plist files that now get edited by 
hand by the users.  I also don’t know how complete or easy-to-use the 
iCloud API is - maybe there are design decisions that make it not worth 
the syncability for MailMate.  But I just wanted to re-iterate that its 
not the same thing as having the existing *.plist files stored on your 
iCloud Drive and somehow magically getting them to sync.


Cheers,   Jody





On 31 May 2017, at 17:56, Jody Klymak wrote:


On 30 May 2017, at 22:32, Jody Klymak wrote:

Perhaps one day MailMate will allow for Dropbox sync with certain 
settings, like Tag Preferences.


Isn’t that what iCloud is supposed to do for mac apps?  I’m not 
a mac developer, and I’m not an expert on all the data that an app 
like MailMate has to store, but I thought one of the cool things 
about iCloud is that it gives developers ways to share application 
settings and document seamlessly between machines?


as in 
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/General/Conceptual/iCloudDesignGuide/Chapters/DesigningForKey-ValueDataIniCloud.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012094-CH7-SW1


… of course the developer still has to do something sensible (and 
presumably hard) if someone was offline and made changes.


Cheers,   Jody
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Re: [MlMt] Tags not stored with IMAP?

2017-06-02 Thread Jody Klymak



On 2 Jun 2017, at 1:00, David Ledger wrote:



On the other hand, iCloud is there or not there at Apple’s whim. I 
had everything syncing using MobileMe (or whatever it was called), 
then they just removed it. I don’t use iCloud at all because I 
don’t want to become reliant on it as I did before. Dropbox makes 
money out of their extended services and so should continue. They 
could drop their free services that so many of us use, but the bad 
press they would get if they did so would impact them hard.


Fair enough, but I’d argue iCloud is far more integrated w/ their 
operating system now than MobileMe ever was.  All their native apps use 
iCloud as a data storage mechanism, and it works quite well in my 
experience.


Cheers,  Jody



David

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Re: [MlMt] Yearly Archive Folder

2017-06-05 Thread Jody Klymak



On 5 Jun 2017, at 2:35, Tobias Matthaeus wrote:


I am moving my mails to the archive via the Archive function. But in 
the meanwhile this folders are very big. Is there any chance to create 
automatically an yearly archive folder? Like some other mail clients 
it does?


You can add a rule to the Archive folder to move emails to a different 
folder based on date.  Does that do what you want?


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