[MlMt] Edit Notification format?
Hi, I've just started a trial to see if MailMate will work for me. Is there a way to edit the format of the Notification banner to mirror Apple Mail's implementation? I see the **Format** field in the **Counters** tab of Preferences, but I don't know where to go from there. Please see attached screenshots to see the message banner for Apple Mail and MailMate, for the same message. -- Daniel ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Security
MailMate is a Desktop application and most of its network activity is between you and your IMAP/SMTP providers. MailMate only talks to my server when doing application update checks, when updating bundles (a plugin-system for MailMate) and when sending crash reports (if enabled in the General preferences pane). Thank you. I've been looking around at email clients and I saw that Airmail and Spark both had some sort of additional functionality which required them to store email addresses and associated passwords on their servers. That makes me uncomfortable. -- Daniel On Jan 18 2018, at 6:09 AM, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: Send mailmate mailing list submissions to mailmate@lists.freron.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com You can reach the person managing the list at mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Security (Benny Kjær Nielsen) (Benny Kjær Nielsen) 2. Re: Edit Notification format? (Compass Luca Cignacco) 3. Re: forwarding HTML emails (Benny Kjær Nielsen) 4. Re: Edit Notification format? (Benny Kjær Nielsen) 5. Re: Is it possible to refresh the addressbook data from MailMate? (lists.freron@nietzold.com) 6. Retain width of Thread Size column between views (possible bug?) (askedre...@gmail.com) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:39:29 +0100 From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users" Subject: Re: [MlMt] Security (Benny Kjær Nielsen) Message-ID: <34f73193-2e21-4997-bf3f-29691775e...@freron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 17 Jan 2018, at 17:47, uncat wrote: I back you up. Only thing to add is that one should make sure that SSL is always enabled such that a password is never sent to the IMAP/SMTP server in plain text. Note that most proper email servers wouldn't even allow non-SSL connections. Is there a Privacy Policy shown during the installation by chance? No. Installation is just dragging MailMate to, e.g., the Applications folder. MailMate is a Desktop application and most of its network activity is between you and your IMAP/SMTP providers. MailMate only talks to my server when doing application update checks, when updating bundles (a plugin-system for MailMate) and when sending crash reports (if enabled in the General preferences pane). If you get a license key then I also have access to some personal information via FastSpring (my reseller). Earlier on I got an email with this information for every purchase, but this is no longer the case. This means that I only store the name and email address of each license key owner (everything else is handled by FastSpring). I do *not* have (and never had) access to credit card information. That's all the relevant information I can think of for now. Let me know if you have any concerns or you can point to an example of a privacy policy which you would prefer instead of the above. MailMate is developed by Freron Software which is a small one-man (me) business located in Copenhagen, Denmark (in the EU). -- Benny MailMate developer -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20180118/e56a51d9/attachment-0001.html> -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:43:35 +0100 From: "Compass Luca Cignacco" To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users" Subject: Re: [MlMt] Edit Notification format? Message-ID: <885b982b-09aa-4b89-8a9b-97badeadc...@compass.udine.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Go to Preferences -> Counters -> Edit “Format” field That’s it On 18 Jan 2018, at 4:04, Daniel Torrecillas wrote: Hi, I've just started a trial to see if MailMate will work for me. Is there a way to edit the format of the Notification banner to mirror Apple Mail's implementation? I see the **Format** field in the **Counters** tab of Preferences, but I don't know where to go from there. Please see attached screenshots to see the message banner for Apple Mail and MailMate, for the same message. -- Daniel ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate  *Compass di Luca Cignacco* - Ingrosso articoli informatici e assistenza tecnica Via dell’asilo 11 - 33048 -
Re: [MlMt] Edit Notification format?
You missed that Daniel also asked for a body text summary in the
notification. This is not easily done (although `#unquoted` could
possibly be used).
This is actually an old item on my todo lists, but I think some recent
additions to MailMate might make it easier to implement. There needs
to
be some way to get a short summary of the content of an email to make
this work. It has to be a bit smart though in order to skip, e.g., the
quoted text above and the wrote-line.
With respect to new-lines you can do like this:
${from.name.#nospoof:${from.address}}\n${subject}
Quick testing seems to indicate that you can only have 1 newline.
The title of the notification is currently hardcoded, but I guess that
could be changed as well. I'll make a note of it.
Thank you for the help and making a note of this request.
--
Daniel
On Jan 18 2018, at 6:09 AM, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:
Send mailmate mailing list submissions to
mailmate@lists.freron.com
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com
You can reach the person managing the list at
mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Security (Benny Kjær Nielsen) (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
2. Re: Edit Notification format? (Compass Luca Cignacco)
3. Re: forwarding HTML emails (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
4. Re: Edit Notification format? (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
5. Re: Is it possible to refresh the addressbook data from
MailMate? (lists.freron@nietzold.com)
6. Retain width of Thread Size column between views (possible
bug?) (askedre...@gmail.com)
--
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:39:29 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen"
To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users"
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Security (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
Message-ID: <34f73193-2e21-4997-bf3f-29691775e...@freron.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
On 17 Jan 2018, at 17:47, uncat wrote:
I back you up. Only thing to add is that one should make sure that
SSL
is always enabled such that a password is never sent to the
IMAP/SMTP
server in plain text. Note that most proper email servers wouldn't
even
allow non-SSL connections.
Is there a Privacy Policy shown during the installation by chance?
No. Installation is just dragging MailMate to, e.g., the Applications
folder.
MailMate is a Desktop application and most of its network activity is
between you and your IMAP/SMTP providers. MailMate only talks to my
server when doing application update checks, when updating bundles (a
plugin-system for MailMate) and when sending crash reports (if enabled
in the General preferences pane).
If you get a license key then I also have access to some personal
information via FastSpring (my reseller). Earlier on I got an email
with
this information for every purchase, but this is no longer the case.
This means that I only store the name and email address of each
license
key owner (everything else is handled by FastSpring). I do *not* have
(and never had) access to credit card information.
That's all the relevant information I can think of for now. Let me
know
if you have any concerns or you can point to an example of a privacy
policy which you would prefer instead of the above.
MailMate is developed by Freron Software which is a small one-man (me)
business located in Copenhagen, Denmark (in the EU).
--
Benny
MailMate developer
-- next part --
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20180118/e56a51d9/attachment-0001.html>
--
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:43:35 +0100
From: "Compass Luca Cignacco"
To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users"
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Edit Notification format?
Message-ID: <885b982b-09aa-4b89-8a9b-97badeadc...@compass.udine.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
Go to Preferences -> Counters -> Edit “Format” field
That’s it
On 18 Jan 2018, at 4:04, Daniel Torrecillas wrote:
Hi,
I've just started a trial to see if MailMate will work for me. Is
there a way to edit the format of the Notification banner to mirror
Apple Mail's implementation?
I see the **Format** field in the **Counters** tab of Preferences,
but
I don't know where to go from there.
Please see attached screenshots to see the message banner for Apple
Mail and MailMate, for the same message.
--
Daniel
___
mailm
[MlMt] quoted-printable
Is there a hidden setting to change the composition of plain text email from Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown to Content-Type: text/plain; markup=markdown Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ? Unfortunately, in my correspondence with others, I've observed that only MailMate and Mail.app on Mac properly reflow my `format=flowed` email when being read. Recent versions of Outlook on Windows and Mac and Mail.app on iOS 11 all reflow my email with "embarrassing line wrap" illustrated in the second example in 3.2 of https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt -- Daniel ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable
Sorry, I meant to preface my question with this: I don't mean to make noise and I absolutely don't want to propose a change to the default behavior. **I believe in the designed way and it's adherence to the relevant standards.** I only looked into this issue when someone that reads my email *exclusively* on their iPhone with Mail.app complained about the seemingly arbitrary line breaks. To please them, I would consider composing `quoted-printable` or `base64` email only to them, if given the option in MailMate. -- Daniel On Feb 7 2018, at 9:00 AM, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: Send mailmate mailing list submissions to mailmate@lists.freron.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com You can reach the person managing the list at mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..." Today's Topics: 1. quoted-printable (Daniel Torrecillas) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:20:23 -0800 From: "Daniel Torrecillas" To: mailmate@lists.freron.com Subject: [MlMt] quoted-printable Message-ID: <956dc5e7-d17d-4b0a-bc12-ea165d6b9...@torrecillas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Is there a hidden setting to change the composition of plain text email from Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown to Content-Type: text/plain; markup=markdown Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ? Unfortunately, in my correspondence with others, I've observed that only MailMate and Mail.app on Mac properly reflow my `format=flowed` email when being read. Recent versions of Outlook on Windows and Mac and Mail.app on iOS 11 all reflow my email with "embarrassing line wrap" illustrated in the second example in 3.2 of https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt -- Daniel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20180207/211fbd0b/attachment-0001.html> -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- End of mailmate Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9 *** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable
d to reproduce an issue. * Use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs” -- and tell me what you were trying to do. Then I can probably see if MailMate does something unexpected. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20180220/c7c5cda8/attachment-0001.html> -- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:58:05 +0100 From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" To: "MailMate Users" Subject: Re: [MlMt] How to edit recipients Message-ID: <2f775aed-a6ad-4f1b-b10a-936c61bf1...@freron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 6 Feb 2018, at 14:19, Randall Gellens wrote: When composing a new message, MailMate shows each recipient as an entity. Is it possible to edit a recipient? Double-click or hit space when it's selected brings you into edit mode. For example, if there is a typo in one? Similarly, what is the best way of selecting a recipient to delete or move to another field? Use the keyboard or the mouse to select 1 or more recipients and then use copy/paste or drag'n'drop. On a more esoteric note, it would be nice if MM could normalize recipients names that are in annoying Outlook format, e.g., change “Bozo, Fred” To Fred Bozo MailMate cannot do this automatically. It's extremely hard (impossible?) to correctly identify the various parts of a “name”. Also, you have to assume that if your correspondent uses this format then it's probably what they prefer to see when they get a reply. MailMate could display the names differently (without altering them when replying/forwarding), but I really mean it when I write that it's extremely hard to do this reliably :) As as simple example, someone might use this: "PhD Nielsen, Benny" and it would become "Benny PhD Nielsen". -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ -- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:01:36 +0100 From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" To: "MailMate Users" Subject: Re: [MlMt] option to automatically jump to first unread message of thread Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 6 Feb 2018, at 17:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I often deal with long-running email threads at work. I have Organize by Thread enabled for my work Inbox, and as I'm going through my unread messages in the morning, when I get to an old thread with new correspondence, I'm taken to the beginning of the thread rather than the first unread message. Is there a preference to change that behavior? I already have a smart mailbox that includes only unread messages, but I don't like using it, as I prefer to have the option to review previously read messages in case I need the additional context. I also know there's a hotkey I can use to jump to the next unread message, but was just wondering if perhaps there was a preference to make that be the default behavior. I'm not sure how that would work if you're not asking for “next unread”. How are you selecting this thread? What you really need is probably a different threading mode (which has been on my todo forever) which allows you to display the newest message at the top of the thread. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ -- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:19:56 +0100 From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users" Subject: Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 7 Feb 2018, at 18:59, Daniel Torrecillas wrote: Sorry, I meant to preface my question with this: I don't mean to make noise and I absolutely don't want to propose a change to the default behavior. **I believe in the designed way and it's adherence to the relevant standards.** Thanks for that :) I only looked into this issue when someone that reads my email *exclusively* on their iPhone with Mail.app complained about the seemingly arbitrary line breaks. I just tried reviewing some of the emails on this mailing list on my iPhone and I don't see any arbitrary line breaks. Are you absolutely sure about this? To please them, I would consider composing `quoted-printable` or `base64` email only to them, if given the option in MailMate. Ok, I'll consider a hidden preference to disable format-flowed, but I'd like you to first investigate the problem a bit more. Maybe something else triggers the arbitrary line breaks, for example, maybe your correspondent has an IMAP service which some times rewrites emails. Perhaps he could do something similar to “Message > Forward as Attachment” in order for you to make sure the email hasn't changed in transmission.
Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable
I too noticed it's wrapped. I can say on my end of things, that I've **only** used MailMate for all correspondence with the mailing list. I can't speak to the `In-Reply-To` header; I don't know what that is. What I've always done is clicked Reply on the Digest email. I think MailMate quotes the entire email. What I'm doing for **this** email is clicking Reply to direct email that was sent to me, without any Digest. In case that helps, for testing purposes. I also don't have any antivirus software running on my computer. Fastmail is my email provider. -- Daniel On Feb 24 2018, at 6:08 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 21 Feb 2018, at 5:16, Daniel Torrecillas wrote: Ok, I'll consider a hidden preference to disable format-flowed, but I'd like you to first investigate the problem a bit more. Maybe something else triggers the arbitrary line breaks, for example, maybe your correspondent has an IMAP service which some times rewrites emails. Perhaps he could do something similar to “Message > Forward as Attachment” in order for you to make sure the email hasn't changed in transmission. Disregard. Sorry again, I can't explain or reproduce what I (thought) I had seen. But I'll keep those things in mind if there's a next time. Maybe mine (Fastmail) or my friend's (Exchange) IMAP service did rewrite just those emails... Note that the quoted text above is also wrapped. I'm not sure how that happened either, because I *think* only MailMate was used in this thread. Hmm, your email also has no `In-Reply-To` header. I'm confused now. Maybe you created it yourself based on a digest email? I've seen antivirus software rewrite emails in strange ways. That might be a thing to look out for. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] '>' character not triggering HTML composition
Writing the '>' character for blockquotes is not triggering a HTML composition, for me, anymore. When I send an email with that symbol, only a plain text message is sent. No HTML. Can anyone confirm if this has been changed in some way? For example, This should trigger HTML composition. This too. but the above is not. The '*' symbol for emphasis does trigger it for me, so as far as I can see, it's just the blockquotes that aren't working for me. Is there anything I can do or settings I can change? I use blockquotes often, so this is a bummer for me. My system: MailMate/5635 MacBookPro13,3/x86_64/8/10.14.5 -- Daniel ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] '>' character not triggering HTML composition
Ah yes, you and Benny are right. I see that my other mail clients already make that symbol into some styled HTML anyway. Thanks for the replies :) -- Daniel On Jul 14, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Tobias Jung wrote: On 14 Jul 2019, at 19:32, Daniel Torrecillas wrote: Writing the '>' character for blockquotes is not triggering a HTML composition, for me, anymore. When I send an email with that symbol, only a plain text message is sent. No HTML. Same here, but I think this is right! (And by the way, if this ever was different, I didn’t notice it.) After all, the '>' character IS the standard quote sign in plain text messages so in my opinion, it’d be wrong that this one triggers HTML composition. Kind regards, Tobias ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
