Re: [MlMt] Length of Paid Mode for existing patrons

[Billy Youdelman]

On 24 Dec 2024, at 0:50 MST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

The new payment model for MailMate is subscription only. It is 
completely equivalent to being a patron and existing patrons do not 
have to do anything. It'll work just as if having a subscription.


I haven't read the rest of this thread yet (or much of this list lately 
yet, either), but I do have a couple of questions.


For older license keys, I have these rules: MailMate will stay in 
“Paid Mode” until 1 July 2025 or 2 years after the original 
purchase date. Whatever comes last.


I'm currently running MailMate version 2.0BETA (6092), 29-Sep-2017, 
under OS 10.9.5.  My license key was issued on 2-Jan-2014.  I will soon 
be building another system, on OS 10.12 or 10.13, for which the new 
rules will be fine, but what happens to MailMate on my existing 10.9 
system, which I want to keep no matter what..?  Similarly, what if I 
wanted to use an older build of Mailmate on the new system?


* The difference between “Paid Mode” and “Free Mode” is 
minimal. The end of paid mode does not mean the end of using MailMate.


May I ask, what exactly is the difference?  I'm asking because, while I 
want you to enjoy a long and happy life, what happens in the rare event 
that you don't?


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Re: [MlMt] Length of Paid Mode for existing patrons

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 24 Dec 2024, at 10:11, Billy Youdelman wrote:


On 24 Dec 2024, at 0:50 MST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

For older license keys, I have these rules: MailMate will stay in 
“Paid Mode” until 1 July 2025 or 2 years after the original 
purchase date. Whatever comes last.


I'm currently running MailMate version 2.0BETA (6092), 29-Sep-2017, 
under OS 10.9.5.


My guess is that you are the only one using that release :) It's a 
confusing one of historical origin (and Intel only). A long time ago, I 
had two branches of MailMate in order to prepare for a major release 
with new features (to be able to require an upgrade fee). That was 
dropped and integrated into the 1.x releases, and I felt it was safe to 
re-use the 2.0 Beta designation for the latest update. I forgot, but I 
also intended to bump the revision number to r6100 to avoid confusion 
with old 2.0BETA releases (which used revision numbers in the r6000+ 
range). I'll do that for the next update. Everyone else should just 
ignore the above. It's relevant to at most a handful of people.


My license key was issued on 2-Jan-2014.  I will soon be building 
another system, on OS 10.12 or 10.13, for which the new rules will be 
fine, but what happens to MailMate on my existing 10.9 system, which I 
want to keep no matter what..?


The new pricing/license model does not affect any earlier releases of 
MailMate. Important old releases are always available here: 
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/


It's easier to see a list of old releases for earlier versions of macOS 
here: https://freron.com/download/


Similarly, what if I wanted to use an older build of Mailmate on the 
new system?


You can always use older releases of MailMate with any license key for 
MailMate.


* The difference between “Paid Mode” and “Free Mode” is 
minimal. The end of paid mode does not mean the end of using 
MailMate.


May I ask, what exactly is the difference?  I'm asking because, while 
I want you to enjoy a long and happy life, what happens in the rare 
event that you don't?


The difference is described here: https://freron.com/pricing

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Re: [MlMt] Length of Paid Mode for existing patrons

[Henry Seiden]

Benny,

Do you plan to release a detailed ‘Beyond the Basics’ reference document (web 
pages) on all the extended features of MailMate including:
* Uses of CLI
* Filtering Rules
* Plug-ins
* Other “Hidden” feature details

Do you see that as a new tier in the subscription model? Not trying to increase 
the costs interested to see what the documentation is worth to users. I value 
complete and full info especially in a subscription model. And for you adding 
the documentation burden.

So far as I see the Patron mode cannot be renewed, rather it is called 
something different, “Paid Mode.” For myself, I have no problem moving forward 
in this way and it seems a bit more structured as such.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 24 Dec 2024, at 5:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 24 Dec 2024, at 10:11, Billy Youdelman wrote:
>
>> On 24 Dec 2024, at 0:50 MST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>> For older license keys, I have these rules: MailMate will stay in “Paid 
>>> Mode” until 1 July 2025 or 2 years after the original purchase date. 
>>> Whatever comes last.
>>
>> I'm currently running MailMate version 2.0BETA (6092), 29-Sep-2017, under OS 
>> 10.9.5.
>
> My guess is that you are the only one using that release :) It's a confusing 
> one of historical origin (and Intel only). A long time ago, I had two 
> branches of MailMate in order to prepare for a major release with new 
> features (to be able to require an upgrade fee). That was dropped and 
> integrated into the 1.x releases, and I felt it was safe to re-use the 2.0 
> Beta designation for the latest update. I forgot, but I also intended to bump 
> the revision number to r6100 to avoid confusion with old 2.0BETA releases 
> (which used revision numbers in the r6000+ range). I'll do that for the next 
> update. Everyone else should just ignore the above. It's relevant to at most 
> a handful of people.
>
>> My license key was issued on 2-Jan-2014.  I will soon be building another 
>> system, on OS 10.12 or 10.13, for which the new rules will be fine, but what 
>> happens to MailMate on my existing 10.9 system, which I want to keep no 
>> matter what..?
>
> The new pricing/license model does not affect any earlier releases of 
> MailMate. Important old releases are always available here: 
> https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/
>
> It's easier to see a list of old releases for earlier versions of macOS here: 
> https://freron.com/download/
>
>> Similarly, what if I wanted to use an older build of Mailmate on the new 
>> system?
>
> You can always use older releases of MailMate with any license key for 
> MailMate.
>
>>> * The difference between “Paid Mode” and “Free Mode” is minimal. The end of 
>>> paid mode does not mean the end of using MailMate.
>>
>> May I ask, what exactly is the difference?  I'm asking because, while I want 
>> you to enjoy a long and happy life, what happens in the rare event that you 
>> don't?
>
> The difference is described here: https://freron.com/pricing
>
> -- 
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Re: [MlMt] Length of Paid Mode for existing patrons

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 24 Dec 2024, at 11:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 24 Dec 2024, at 10:11, Billy Youdelman wrote:
>
>> My license key was issued on 2-Jan-2014.  I will soon be building another 
>> system, on OS 10.12 or 10.13, for which the new rules will be fine, but what 
>> happens to MailMate on my existing 10.9 system, which I want to keep no 
>> matter what..?

I should perhaps add that since you are a very generous patron of MailMate, 
your license key will stay in the paid mode for longer than either of us are 
likely to be alive ;)

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Re: [MlMt] Two-factor authentication problem

[Bullard, Jeff via mailmate]

Sorry, I just went back to the version I had (what Benny says every new user 
should be using) and it works fine. I’ll just stick with that one.  I apologize 
to anyone who already read this and spent time on it.

— Jeff


On December 24, 2024 at 8:06:57 PM, Jeff Bullard 
(jwbull...@tamu.edu) wrote:

Hi,

I just downgraded to r5673 from the latest prerelease version. In the 
prerelease version I was using my Microsoft 365 account with IMAP server 
outlook.offie365.com, require SSL, etc. and it was working great all the time. 
Now after the downgrade it took that account offline and is asking me for a 
password. But my password is not working, probably because my work requires me 
to use two-factor authentication through an application called Duo and 
MailMate’s dialog says that this will likely require an “application specific 
password”.  What does that mean?  Where am I supposed to find this 
application-specific password?  Thanks for any help you can offer.

Thanks,

— Jeff
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Re: [MlMt] Two-factor authentication problem

[John Cooper]

For future reference: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102654

Bullard, Jeff via mailmate wrote (at 5:20 PM on Tuesday, December 24, 
2024):


Sorry, I just went back to the version I had (what Benny says every 
new user should be using) and it works fine. I’ll just stick with 
that one.  I apologize to anyone who already read this and spent time 
on it.


— Jeff


On December 24, 2024 at 8:06:57 PM, Jeff Bullard 
(jwbull...@tamu.edu ) wrote:


Hi,

I just downgraded to r5673 from the latest prerelease version. In the 
prerelease version I was using my Microsoft 365 account with IMAP 
server outlook.offie365.com, require SSL, etc. and it was working 
great all the time. Now after the downgrade it took that account 
offline and is asking me for a password. But my password is not 
working, probably because my work requires me to use two-factor 
authentication through an application called Duo and MailMate’s 
dialog says that this will likely require an “application specific 
password”.  What does that mean?  Where am I supposed to find this 
application-specific password?  Thanks for any help you can offer.


Thanks,

— Jeff



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[MlMt] Two-factor authentication problem

[Bullard, Jeff via mailmate]

Hi,

I just downgraded to r5673 from the latest prerelease version. In the 
prerelease version I was using my Microsoft 365 account with IMAP server 
outlook.offie365.com, require SSL, etc. and it was working great all the time. 
Now after the downgrade it took that account offline and is asking me for a 
password. But my password is not working, probably because my work requires me 
to use two-factor authentication through an application called Duo and 
MailMate’s dialog says that this will likely require an “application specific 
password”.  What does that mean?  Where am I supposed to find this 
application-specific password?  Thanks for any help you can offer.

Thanks,

— Jeff

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