Re: [MlMt] Inverting message list color of selected item
As noted, when, in the message list, the message text colour is black, MailMate automatically inverts it to white when the message is selected. However, for any other message text colour, there is no inversion and the text colour stays the same when the message is selected. At some point in the recent past, Benny produced a build that would invert selected messages by using the message’s text colour as the selection background colour and change the text colour to white. Personally, I much preferred that option, even if it meant lots of different selection background colours when selecting a batch of messages with different text colours. Further complicating things, recent version of macOS have introduced the concept of an app-specific “accent colour” for selection in the General system preference pane. However, Benny subsequently abandoned that option and reverted to NOT inverting the text colour at all when the message is selected in the list, and always using the accent colour as background colour when the message is selected. As noted by Tariq, this means that, depending on the text colour (and on the selection colour used as background colour when the message is selected), the text can be very hard to read (or even unreadable) when the message is selected in the list. It’s obviously not right that a situation such as this can happen. The only “solution” I’ve found so far is to choose colours that minimize the problem by ensuring a minimum level of contrast with my selection background colour. It’s far from ideal, however, and I would much prefer having a wider range of colour options for my messages, which automatic colour inversion would let me have. I’ve mentioned this in emails to Benny, but the only response so far has been that he’s still thinking about it. Maybe if enough of us express their support for colour inversion, he’ll bring it back, at least as an option. Pierre On 31 Oct 2022, at 15:07, Tariq Magdon-Ismail wrote: > Alternatively, is it possible to change the message list highlight color > without having to change the system wide settings? > > On 29 Oct 2022, at 23:18, Tariq Magdon-Ismail wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Using the default colors for the message list, when selecting a message row >> the text color inverts. For example, by default my messages appear in black >> and when I select them they turn white (with the purple highlight as the >> background). However, if I set a custom color for the mailbox message list >> (right click → color) this color is used even when the message is selected. >> This makes it hard to read the text for certain colors depending on how they >> contrast with the highlight color. Is there a way to have the text color >> "invert" to white when selected so that they are more legible? >> >> Regards >> -Tariq -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Twitter: @betalogue FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Twitter: @Pierre_Igot ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inverting message list color of selected item
Pierre, I agree with you in principle. Specifically, I went to a MacOS selection in OS Settings - Appearance of Graphite as Background and “Multicolor” Accent color settings as a trial with a color palette in MailMate and a permanent “Dark” appearance environment. In particular using the high luminance colors like yellow and even orange give unusual readability between light and dark modes in MacOS. So that’s an issue there. It’s a balance act to get it right as to colors, especially in apps driven from system settings of such variations. For whatever reason, with the above system combo (Graphite BKG+ Multicolor accent) in use, the color difference MailMate even with BLU color email selection the combination of the two seems quite readable, whether selected or unselected. I have no idea what drives the multi-color color selection in MacOS but there is none in MailMate as has been pointed out. Call it a work in progress? A lot more could be done in MailMate but seems it would take some more research to to find a good process for doing it. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 2 Nov 2022, at 8:35, Pierre Igot wrote: The only “solution” I’ve found so far is to choose colours that minimize the problem by ensuring a minimum level of contrast with my selection background colour. It’s far from ideal, however, and I would much prefer having a wider range of colour options for my messages, which automatic colour inversion would let me have. I’ve mentioned this in emails to Benny, but the only response so far has been that he’s still thinking about it. Maybe if enough of us express their support for colour inversion, he’ll bring it back, at least as an option.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inverting message list color of selected item
Pierre, Henry, FYI I opened a ticket for this issue if you want to add comments: https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3147-message-list-text-color-not-inverting-when-selecting-an-item Benny's response was: "The message list is going to need a complete rewrite. I'm unlikely to change much until that happens, but I'll add a note on keeping this ticket in mind." Regards -Tariq On 2 Nov 2022, at 6:30, Henry Seiden wrote: Pierre, I agree with you in principle. Specifically, I went to a MacOS selection in OS Settings - Appearance of Graphite as Background and “Multicolor” Accent color settings as a trial with a color palette in MailMate and a permanent “Dark” appearance environment. In particular using the high luminance colors like yellow and even orange give unusual readability between light and dark modes in MacOS. So that’s an issue there. It’s a balance act to get it right as to colors, especially in apps driven from system settings of such variations. For whatever reason, with the above system combo (Graphite BKG+ Multicolor accent) in use, the color difference MailMate even with BLU color email selection the combination of the two seems quite readable, whether selected or unselected. I have no idea what drives the multi-color color selection in MacOS but there is none in MailMate as has been pointed out. Call it a work in progress? A lot more could be done in MailMate but seems it would take some more research to to find a good process for doing it. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 2 Nov 2022, at 8:35, Pierre Igot wrote: The only “solution” I’ve found so far is to choose colours that minimize the problem by ensuring a minimum level of contrast with my selection background colour. It’s far from ideal, however, and I would much prefer having a wider range of colour options for my messages, which automatic colour inversion would let me have. I’ve mentioned this in emails to Benny, but the only response so far has been that he’s still thinking about it. Maybe if enough of us express their support for colour inversion, he’ll bring it back, at least as an option.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
