Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[Charlie Clark]

On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:


MailMate aficionados,
I received the message below saying that my university’s email 
services would no longer use IMAP.


This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has 
been possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need is 
more proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose what is 
and is not suitable…


Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to not store email locally?

[Charlie Clark]

On 3 Feb 2021, at 3:50, Brandon Schneider wrote:


Hello all,

While cleaning up my drive, I noticed my MailMate folder has kept 
every single message that is in my Archive folder in IMAP. Which is 
about 9 gigs. Is there an option to tell MailMate to *not* download 
any messages locally like this? Just keep them all in the IMAP server 
and look them up when needed?


If you really want that, use a service like g-mail that promises to do 
everything for you on its servers.


Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[Robert Brenstein]

On 4 Feb 2021, at 10:47, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:


MailMate aficionados,
I received the message below saying that my university’s email 
services would no longer use IMAP.


This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has 
been possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need 
is more proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose 
what is and is not suitable…


Charlie


What the message from OP’s university says is that they are disabling 
IMAP and SMTP protocols on their Office 365 service. That is an optional 
access to Office 365, which itself has always been proprietary, Charlie. 
If there is enough people at the university that do not have mail 
clients that work natively with Office 365, there might be enough 
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Re: [MlMt] Syncing settings between machines?

[Thomas Kahle]

For what it’s worth, [mackup](https://github.com/lra/mackup) has rudimentary 
support for MailMate.  Of course all the discussion with race conditions still 
applies.

Cheers,
Thomas

On 3 Feb 2021, at 6:51, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:

>> Rules that take actions on messages are especially problematic to have on 
>> more than one machine. If both machines are on and watching the same IMAP 
>> account(s) with the same Smart Mailboxes using the same rules, you can get 
>> race conditions.
>
> Ah. I could see the issue with this. I don’t use this feature. My Smart 
> Mailboxes are filter/visibility only.
>
>> Yes, although you may not like it and I don't recommend it. You must have 
>> the same IMAP accounts configured on both machines.
>>
>> 1. Quit MM on both machines
>> 2. Copy all /Users/dad/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/*.plist files 
>> from the machine whose config you want to keep to the other machine.
>> 3. Repeat every time you want to switch machines.
>>
>> Simple, yes?
>
> Perfect.
>
> On 2 Feb 2021, at 22:05, Bill Cole wrote:
>
>> On 2 Feb 2021, at 21:43, Nicholas Vahalik wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere.
>>
>> It has been discussed here before. Here are two of the times that it has 
>> come up:
>>
>> https://mailmate.freron.narkive.com/C29rlbuH/mlmt-sync-mailmate-settings
>> https://mailmate.freron.narkive.com/14k120v0/mlmt-syncing-mailboxes#post4
>>
>> There is also a long-standing ticket: 
>> https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/430
>>
>>> I’d really like to be able to sync up my Smart Mailbox configuration 
>>> between machines. This is especially painful when the Smart Mailbox rules 
>>> can take several minutes to build.
>>
>> Rules that take actions on messages are especially problematic to have on 
>> more than one machine. If both machines are on and watching the same IMAP 
>> account(s) with the same Smart Mailboxes using the same rules, you can get 
>> race conditions.
>>
>> I have a chronic problem of IMAP sessions going into an infinite loop which 
>> may be caused by this but which is quite hard to diagnose in depth because 
>> of the volume of logs produced. See 
>> https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/1491 for 
>> details.
>>
>>> Is there a simple way to keep that configuration in sync between machines?
>>
>> Yes, although you may not like it and I don't recommend it. You must have 
>> the same IMAP accounts configured on both machines.
>>
>> 1. Quit MM on both machines
>> 2. Copy all /Users/dad/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/*.plist files 
>> from the machine whose config you want to keep to the other machine.
>> 3. Repeat every time you want to switch machines.
>>
>> Simple, yes?
>>
>>> A shell-script ssh/scp/rsync setup would be OK as well.
>>
>> The above steps should be fairly simple to turn into a shell script, given 
>> mutual trust between the 2 machines.
>>
>> If you do this, it is best to only ever have MM up on one of the machines.
>>
>> An alternative approach (which I use) is to do the above steps once, and 
>> then remove all rules from all mailboxes (including both "Smart" and 
>> "Source" mailboxes) on the machine that is more frequently offline. I did 
>> this to avoid races and so I can leave the desktop instance running all of 
>> the time, doing all of the automation (e.g. rules that move new messages to 
>> the appropriate mailbox as they arrive.)
>>
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Re: [MlMt] Ex: mailmate Digest, Vol 119, Issue 7

[Harvey S. Leff]

Thanks, Eric. Active Sync is evidently Microsoft's version of IMAP. It has been 
around for a while and MS is apparently claiming that Active Sync is more 
secure for mobile devices. I tried to set up a new IMAP account with MailMate, 
but get no screen showing the option of OAuth2, and I'm quite sure now that 
Active Sync is NOT OAuth2.

Harvey
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mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com 
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 00:23:24 -0500
From: "Eric Sharakan" mailto:eshara...@gmail.com>>
To: "MailMate Users" 
mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com>>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols
   IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
Message-ID: 
mailto:b4b4ae90-efa1-4b6a-aa13-f17a713af...@gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I don't know too much about ActiveSync, but if it's Exchange 365 using
so-called modern Auth (i.e. OAuth2), my experience is that MailMate
r5757 works fine.  You need to select OAuth2 in the "IMAP Account
Settings" screen for both IMAP & SMTP.  Specify 
outlook.office365.com as
the IMAP & SMTP Servers, enter your email address, and you'll
authenticate via a window that will appear.

It's possible the server side is configured to only allow specific mail
clients.  If that's the case, you'll see a message about MailMate not
being an approved client.  At that point you're at the mercy of your
school and whatever policies they have in place.

But it's worth a try, it might just work!

-Eric

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Re: [MlMt] Ex: mailmate Digest, Vol 119, Issue 7

[Eric Sharakan]

You might be right about ActiveSync; perhaps your school is only 
supporting that, rather than full Exchange w/Oauth2.  As for MM, I think 
the OAuth2 option only becomes available after entering the appropriate 
server hostnames for IMAP & SMTP (and maybe even hitting "apply").  
Also, I think r5757 is needed.


Good luck.

-Eric

On 4 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Harvey S. Leff wrote:

Thanks, Eric. Active Sync is evidently Microsoft's version of IMAP. It 
has been around for a while and MS is apparently claiming that Active 
Sync is more secure for mobile devices. I tried to set up a new IMAP 
account with MailMate, but get no screen showing the option of OAuth2, 
and I'm quite sure now that Active Sync is NOT OAuth2.


Harvey
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On Feb 4, 2021, at 9:00 AM, 
mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com 
wrote:


Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 00:23:24 -0500
From: "Eric Sharakan" 
mailto:eshara...@gmail.com>>
To: "MailMate Users" 
mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com>>

Subject: Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols
   IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
Message-ID: 
mailto:b4b4ae90-efa1-4b6a-aa13-f17a713af...@gmail.com>>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I don't know too much about ActiveSync, but if it's Exchange 365 using
so-called modern Auth (i.e. OAuth2), my experience is that MailMate
r5757 works fine.  You need to select OAuth2 in the "IMAP Account
Settings" screen for both IMAP & SMTP.  Specify 
outlook.office365.com as

the IMAP & SMTP Servers, enter your email address, and you'll
authenticate via a window that will appear.

It's possible the server side is configured to only allow specific 
mail

clients.  If that's the case, you'll see a message about MailMate not
being an approved client.  At that point you're at the mercy of your
school and whatever policies they have in place.

But it's worth a try, it might just work!

-Eric



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Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[David Green]

My University did this about 4 years ago giving the reasoning that the
two-factor authentication solution (DUO) did not work with the older
protocols (SMTP, IMAP, ICAL) and this presented a vulnerability.

I did try DavMail suggested by someone already and I seem to remember it
worked.

Forwarding all mail out may or may not be possible technically depending on
server settings and may be against University policy.  Even if it works,
you may find that mail from y...@university.edu being sent by SMTP back into
University addresses may not be accepted by Office365 (again based on
administrative settings).

Dave

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 9:26 AM Robert Brenstein <
mailm...@learning-insights.eu> wrote:

> On 4 Feb 2021, at 10:47, Charlie Clark wrote:
>
> On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:
>
> MailMate aficionados,
> I received the message below saying that my university’s email services
> would no longer use IMAP.
>
> This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has been
> possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need is more
> proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose what is and is
> not suitable…
>
> Charlie
>
> What the message from OP’s university says is that they are disabling IMAP
> and SMTP protocols on their Office 365 service. That is an optional access
> to Office 365, which itself has always been proprietary, Charlie. If there
> is enough people at the university that do not have mail clients that work
> natively with Office 365, there might be enough complaints that the service
> is restored. This is up local politics.
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Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1

[Antonio Leding]

This may be the wrong forum for my question but I’m feeling 
adventurous…so here goes…


Is there any technical reason, such as infosec, to remove IMAP\SMTP from 
one’s network?  I am by no means an IMAP\SMTP guru but I have used 
them at various levels for the better part of 15+ years and my 
experience has been that when used properly, both protocols are 
perfectly secure.


I’m sure there some things I’m not seeing here so gurus-at-large, 
have at it and educate me…


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On 4 Feb 2021, at 7:25, Robert Brenstein wrote:


On 4 Feb 2021, at 10:47, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote:


MailMate aficionados,
I received the message below saying that my university’s email 
services would no longer use IMAP.


This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has 
been possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need 
is more proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose 
what is and is not suitable…


Charlie


What the message from OP’s university says is that they are 
disabling IMAP and SMTP protocols on their Office 365 service. That is 
an optional access to Office 365, which itself has always been 
proprietary, Charlie. If there is enough people at the university that 
do not have mail clients that work natively with Office 365, there 
might be enough complaints that the service is restored. This is up 
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[MlMt] r5757 Move to Mailbox broken?

[Randall Meadows]

I just installed r5757 today; I'm unable to move messages using "Move to 
Mailbox"—nothing happens.  I can drag messages where I want them, but 
this is *so* labor intensive. ;)


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[MlMt] deleting previewed attachments

[Shoshanna Green]

I believe that quick-viewing an attachment to a message -- clicking the 
little eye icon to open a view of it directly in MailMate, rather than 
saving it and opening it in its native application -- saves a copy of 
the attachment to a folder hierarchy in 
~/Library/Caches/com.freron.MailMate/Attachments/. Is there any harm in 
deleting them from there? Especially if I've deleted the message they 
were attached to, but even if I haven't, I might want to reclaim the 
space.


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Re: [MlMt] r5757 Move to Mailbox broken?

[Patrik Fältström via mailmate]

On 4 Feb 2021, at 22:59, Randall Meadows wrote:

> I just installed r5757 today; I'm unable to move messages using "Move to 
> Mailbox"—nothing happens.  I can drag messages where I want them, but this is 
> *so* labor intensive. ;)

I just double checked that it works for me, and it does.

Selected 357 messages, did choose "Move to mailbox" menu alternative, selected 
a mailbox and voila, the messages where moved. Between mailboxes in different 
accounts if that matters.

   Patrik


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Re: [MlMt] r5757 Move to Mailbox broken?

[Thomas Eckhold]

I have noticed that in r5757 the move only works if the focus in MM is on the 
message pane (blue color of selected messages). As soon as the focus is 
somewhere else (on the pane of mailboxes and sources, for example), MM will not 
move even previously in the message pane selected messages. That was different 
in the past, if I recall correctly. Actually I would prefer that the „move to“ 
command would apply to any selected message regardless of which area is 
activated in MM.

--Thomas


On 5 Feb 2021, at 7:39, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:

> On 4 Feb 2021, at 22:59, Randall Meadows wrote:
>
>> I just installed r5757 today; I'm unable to move messages using "Move to 
>> Mailbox"—nothing happens.  I can drag messages where I want them, but this 
>> is *so* labor intensive. ;)
>
> I just double checked that it works for me, and it does.
>
> Selected 357 messages, did choose "Move to mailbox" menu alternative, 
> selected a mailbox and voila, the messages where moved. Between mailboxes in 
> different accounts if that matters.
>
>Patrik


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