Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Eckhold]

Passwords should be stored in the keychain of MAC OS not in MM itself. Did you 
take a look there? Search for the name of the provider not MM. 

Kind regards
Thomas

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 30.08.2020 um 08:17 schrieb Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
> :
> 
> I use four email clients in my MacBook Pro: MailMate, Apple Mail, MS 
> Outlook, and Spark.  In the first three I have a Hotmail account that 
> functions properly. In Spark, it used to run properly but is now saying I 
> need to login again. But I don’t have a record of the password and the Spark 
> process apparently does not allow for resetting a lost password.
> 
> So I though I’d try copying the Hotmail password from one of the three other 
> clients in which the Hotmail account is functioning properly. In MS Outlook, 
> for my six email accounts, the two Gmail accounts do not show a password, but 
> in settings for the other four non-Gmail accounts, three show the current 
> password, but the Hotmail settings show no password; the box is simply blank, 
> although the account is functioning.
> 
> So, in MailMate, is there some way I can view and copy the current password 
> of an active and functioning account, so that I can copy it to the Spark 
> login?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who troubles to contribute to solving this not 
> very sophisticated problem.
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Bartlett via mailmate]

Thank you.  I found a login keychain file labelled 
"com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."  Opening it, I opted to view the 
password. It was a ten digit string consisting of mostly random alpha-numeric 
and punctuation symbols. Looks plausible.  So I tried inserting it in the Skype 
login both on MacBook and on iPhone Spark app, but to no avail.  I’m getting 
extremely frustrated trying to do it this way. I think there must be some other 
factor that’s getting in the way.  Has Skype simply dropped accessing Hotmail? 

Thanks for your tip. In the past I’ve been too unfamiliar with using the 
keychain files. But maybe it’s not too late to learn some of it.

Thomas



> On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Thomas Eckhold  wrote:
> 
> Passwords should be stored in the keychain of MAC OS not in MM itself. Did 
> you take a look there? Search for the name of the provider not MM. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Thomas
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 30.08.2020 um 08:17 schrieb Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
>> :
>> 
>> I use four email clients in my MacBook Pro: MailMate, Apple Mail, MS 
>> Outlook, and Spark.  In the first three I have a Hotmail account that 
>> functions properly. In Spark, it used to run properly but is now saying I 
>> need to login again. But I don’t have a record of the password and the Spark 
>> process apparently does not allow for resetting a lost password.
>> 
>> So I though I’d try copying the Hotmail password from one of the three other 
>> clients in which the Hotmail account is functioning properly. In MS Outlook, 
>> for my six email accounts, the two Gmail accounts do not show a password, 
>> but in settings for the other four non-Gmail accounts, three show the 
>> current password, but the Hotmail settings show no password; the box is 
>> simply blank, although the account is functioning.
>> 
>> So, in MailMate, is there some way I can view and copy the current password 
>> of an active and functioning account, so that I can copy it to the Spark 
>> login?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to anyone who troubles to contribute to solving this not 
>> very sophisticated problem.
>> 
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Eckhold]

I did not refer to the keychain file. I doubt that the token includes 
your password in cleartext.


Mac OS includes a service app called „Keychain“ to manage passwords 
(see [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keychain_(software))) . It is 
located in a subfolder of the app folder.


In this app the system stores all passwords used by MM as well. Search 
for the name of the mailserver used by hotmail and invoke the details of 
a stored item with CMD-i (for information).


Regards,

Thomas


On 30 Aug 2020, at 10:55, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:

Thank you.  I found a login keychain file labelled 
"com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."  Opening it, I opted to view 
the password. It was a ten digit string consisting of mostly random 
alpha-numeric and punctuation symbols. Looks plausible.  So I tried 
inserting it in the Skype login both on MacBook and on iPhone Spark 
app, but to no avail.  I’m getting extremely frustrated trying to do 
it this way. I think there must be some other factor that’s getting 
in the way.  Has Skype simply dropped accessing Hotmail?


Thanks for your tip. In the past I’ve been too unfamiliar with using 
the keychain files. But maybe it’s not too late to learn some of it.


Thomas



On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Thomas Eckhold  
wrote:


Passwords should be stored in the keychain of MAC OS not in MM 
itself. Did you take a look there? Search for the name of the 
provider not MM.


Kind regards
Thomas

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.08.2020 um 08:17 schrieb Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
:


I use four email clients in my MacBook Pro: MailMate, Apple Mail, 
MS Outlook, and Spark.  In the first three I have a Hotmail account 
that functions properly. In Spark, it used to run properly but is 
now saying I need to login again. But I don’t have a record of the 
password and the Spark process apparently does not allow for 
resetting a lost password.


So I though I’d try copying the Hotmail password from one of the 
three other clients in which the Hotmail account is functioning 
properly. In MS Outlook, for my six email accounts, the two Gmail 
accounts do not show a password, but in settings for the other four 
non-Gmail accounts, three show the current password, but the Hotmail 
settings show no password; the box is simply blank, although the 
account is functioning.


So, in MailMate, is there some way I can view and copy the current 
password of an active and functioning account, so that I can copy it 
to the Spark login?


Thanks in advance to anyone who troubles to contribute to solving 
this not very sophisticated problem.


Thomas
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Bartlett via mailmate]

In the applications folder is a sub-folder called Utilities. In that sub-folder 
is an app called Keychain Access. When that app is opened, it shows on the dock 
an icon shaped like keys on a circular “chain.”  At the top of the left side 
column is the word “Keychains,” below which are five options:  Directory 
Services, login, iCloud, System, System Roots. After looking at them all, I 
opted for “login,” which is uniquely written in bold font; this displays a long 
list of keychain files. That is what I accessed.  Yes, there is another file, 
com.apple.Exchange.oauth-token with the same time stamp as the one mentioned in 
my earlier message, which shows an extremely long string of alphanumeric code.  
When I select each of these two files, the file name is displayed in bold font 
in a header strip at the top of the window; the next line in the header says: 
“Kind: application password;” the third line says “Account:” following which is 
the username of my Hotmail account followed by @ and then an alphanumeric 
string which must be 60 digits long. The first file that I opened, reported in 
my earlier message shows a header that is essentially identical, except that 
the extremely long alphanumeric string is completely different.

So, if this is not what you meant,



> On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you.  I found a login keychain file labelled 
> "com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."  Opening it, I opted to view the 
> password. It was a ten digit string consisting of mostly random alpha-numeric 
> and punctuation symbols. Looks plausible.  So I tried inserting it in the 
> Skype login both on MacBook and on iPhone Spark app, but to no avail.  I’m 
> getting extremely frustrated trying to do it this way. I think there must be 
> some other factor that’s getting in the way.  Has Skype simply dropped 
> accessing Hotmail? 
> 
> Thanks for your tip. In the past I’ve been too unfamiliar with using the 
> keychain files. But maybe it’s not too late to learn some of it.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Thomas Eckhold  wrote:
>> 
>> Passwords should be stored in the keychain of MAC OS not in MM itself. Did 
>> you take a look there? Search for the name of the provider not MM. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Thomas
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 30.08.2020 um 08:17 schrieb Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I use four email clients in my MacBook Pro: MailMate, Apple Mail, MS 
>>> Outlook, and Spark.  In the first three I have a Hotmail account that 
>>> functions properly. In Spark, it used to run properly but is now saying I 
>>> need to login again. But I don’t have a record of the password and the 
>>> Spark process apparently does not allow for resetting a lost password.
>>> 
>>> So I though I’d try copying the Hotmail password from one of the three 
>>> other clients in which the Hotmail account is functioning properly. In MS 
>>> Outlook, for my six email accounts, the two Gmail accounts do not show a 
>>> password, but in settings for the other four non-Gmail accounts, three show 
>>> the current password, but the Hotmail settings show no password; the box is 
>>> simply blank, although the account is functioning.
>>> 
>>> So, in MailMate, is there some way I can view and copy the current password 
>>> of an active and functioning account, so that I can copy it to the Spark 
>>> login?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone who troubles to contribute to solving this not 
>>> very sophisticated problem.
>>> 
>>> Thomas
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Bartlett via mailmate]

Continuing from my incomplete message inadvertently sent:  

So, if this is not what you meant, then I am not sure where to look for that. 

Thank you,

Thomas

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you.  I found a login keychain file labelled 
> "com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."  Opening it, I opted to view the 
> password. It was a ten digit string consisting of mostly random alpha-numeric 
> and punctuation symbols. Looks plausible.  So I tried inserting it in the 
> Skype login both on MacBook and on iPhone Spark app, but to no avail.  I’m 
> getting extremely frustrated trying to do it this way. I think there must be 
> some other factor that’s getting in the way.  Has Skype simply dropped 
> accessing Hotmail? 
> 
> Thanks for your tip. In the past I’ve been too unfamiliar with using the 
> keychain files. But maybe it’s not too late to learn some of it.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Thomas Eckhold  wrote:
>> 
>> Passwords should be stored in the keychain of MAC OS not in MM itself. Did 
>> you take a look there? Search for the name of the provider not MM. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Thomas
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 30.08.2020 um 08:17 schrieb Thomas Bartlett via mailmate 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I use four email clients in my MacBook Pro: MailMate, Apple Mail, MS 
>>> Outlook, and Spark.  In the first three I have a Hotmail account that 
>>> functions properly. In Spark, it used to run properly but is now saying I 
>>> need to login again. But I don’t have a record of the password and the 
>>> Spark process apparently does not allow for resetting a lost password.
>>> 
>>> So I though I’d try copying the Hotmail password from one of the three 
>>> other clients in which the Hotmail account is functioning properly. In MS 
>>> Outlook, for my six email accounts, the two Gmail accounts do not show a 
>>> password, but in settings for the other four non-Gmail accounts, three show 
>>> the current password, but the Hotmail settings show no password; the box is 
>>> simply blank, although the account is functioning.
>>> 
>>> So, in MailMate, is there some way I can view and copy the current password 
>>> of an active and functioning account, so that I can copy it to the Spark 
>>> login?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone who troubles to contribute to solving this not 
>>> very sophisticated problem.
>>> 
>>> Thomas
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Eckhold]

On 30 Aug 2020, at 13:46, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:

In the applications folder is a sub-folder called Utilities. In that 
sub-folder is an app called Keychain Access. When that app is opened, 
it shows on the dock an icon shaped like keys on a circular 
“chain.”  At the top of the left side column is the word 
“Keychains,” below which are five options:  Directory Services, 
login, iCloud, System, System Roots. After looking at them all, I 
opted for “login,” which is uniquely written in bold font; this 
displays a long list of keychain files. That is what I accessed.  Yes, 
there is another file, com.apple.Exchange.oauth-token with the same 
time stamp as the one mentioned in my earlier message, which shows an 
extremely long string of alphanumeric code.  When I select each of 
these two files, the file name is displayed in bold font in a header 
strip at the top of the window; the next line in the header says: 
“Kind: application password;” the third line says “Account:” 
following which is the username of my Hotmail account followed by @ 
and then an alphanumeric string which must be 60 digits long. The 
first file that I opened, reported in my earlier message shows a 
header that is essentially identical, except that the extremely long 
alphanumeric string is completely different.


So, if this is not what you meant,


I am not familiar with hotmail or Spark but MM stores the passwords used 
(as far as I understand) as „Internet password“ based on the name of 
the mailserver (my guess for hotmail would be: imap-mail.outlook.com). 
The icon of such entry is a blue @. The information window of such a 
file offers the option „Show password“. If you tick this box 
keychain will ask you for your system password and/or keychain password. 
Then it will „reveal“ the password stored in keychain. However, I do 
not know if hotmail works that way.


Regards,

Thomas
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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Glenn Parker]

I did some simple tests, but I can’t reproduce this issue.

I’m running macOS Catalina version 10.15.6, Microsoft Word for Mac 
version 16.40 (20081201), and MailMate version 1.13.1 (5707). I don’t 
use any third party clipboard utilities.


In Word, I copy some text, and then paste it into MailMate. The result 
in MailMate is plain (editable) text, no image. It doesn’t matter if 
the text is simple or formatted.


Checking the contents of the clipboard via the Finder (Edit/Show 
Clipboard) shows that the contents are in Rich Text Format (RTF).


If the selection in Word includes both text and an image, the clipboard 
gets just the RTF with no image.


If the selection in Word is just an image, the clipboard gets an image 
(TIFF). Pasting the image from the clipboard offers to create an image 
attachment, as per usual.


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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 30 Aug 2020, at 4:55, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:


"com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."


Thomas,

You mean, “oauth-refresh-token”, right?

If your account is using OAuth, your mail client won’t store the 
account password.


The keychain items that MailMate stores for my GMail account (which uses 
OAuth) are:


com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-token
com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-refresh-token

Neither of these contain my GMail password.

By contrast, for my FastMail account (which uses application passwords), 
MailMate stores these items in the keychain:


imap.fastmail.com
smtp.fastmail.com

These both contain the FastMail application password for my account.

Basically, if your provider uses OAuth, you’re SOL any you’ll 
probably have to reset your password.

-sam

P.S.: Why do you have so many email clients?! XD
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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Randall Gellens]

Is there perhaps an option in Word to copy as text? My version of Word 
has some "copy as..." options.


--Randall

On 29 Aug 2020, at 0:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Aug 2020, at 23:43, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm running version 1.13.2 (5712), and when I copy text in Word and 
paste it into a message composer window, it turns into an attached 
.png image rather than text.


I'm pretty sure that only happens because Word puts a png on the 
pasteboard as an alternative to the text. I guess that's a feature, 
but it's a bit weird...



(Whereas if I copy text from
TextEdit, it pastes into a message correctly.) If I paste text from 
Word as quoted text, with command-option-V, it does paste as text; 
but then I have to un-quote and reflow it.


I know Word is the devil, but it's the unavoidable devil. How can I 
paste text from it into a message I'm composing? Or is this another 
in-progress feature/issue?


It's not a known issue, but it might be tricky to fix without breaking 
something else. I think the best is probably to add an explicit 
shortcut for pasting as text allowing the user to force MailMate to 
pick the text alternative. That would likely be ⌥⇧⌘V. I'll make 
a note of that.


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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Thomas Bartlett via mailmate]

Thanks for the thoughts. See my interlinear responses below. 


> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Sam Hathaway  wrote:
> 
> On 30 Aug 2020, at 4:55, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:
> 
>> "com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."
> 
> Thomas,
> 
> You mean, “oauth-refresh-token”, right?

Yes. You’re right. 

> 
> If your account is using OAuth, your mail client won’t store the account 
> password.
> 
> The keychain items that MailMate stores for my GMail account (which uses 
> OAuth) are:
> 
> com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-token
> com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-refresh-token
> 
> Neither of these contain my GMail password.
> 
> By contrast, for my FastMail account (which uses application passwords), 
> MailMate stores these items in the keychain:
> 
> imap.fastmail.com
> smtp.fastmail.com

MailMate shows the server addresses for all seven of my email accounts. 
> 
> These both contain the FastMail application password for my account.

MailMate only shows the password for my Yahoo account, not for the two Gmails, 
the iCloud.com , the Outlook, the Hotmail, my employer’s 
Exchange account. 
> 
> Basically, if your provider uses OAuth, you’re SOL any you’ll probably have 
> to reset your password.
> -sam
> 
> P.S.: Why do you have so many email clients?! XD

Thanks for the explanation about OAuth, which I didn’t know but answers a 
long-standing question in my mind. Is four email clients really very many to 
have installed?  Anyway, I sort of drifted into trying out new ones, not being 
fully satisfied with any of them. And I sometimes find that one or another 
behaves eccentrically so drop it and go to another one.  I used MS Outlook on 
my PC for about 15 years and liked its Address Book very much. Then I moved to 
Mac OS platform and took up Mail, which I found inferior.  Then someone 
recommended MailMate, which does some things much better than Mail, but is 
sometimes complex beyond my level of expertise, as in the present case about 
passwords. Then someone recommended Spark, which is fine when working right, 
but it can be devilishly recalcitrant to configure.  And, when I got Office 365 
for Mac, it came with an improved MS Outlook, which has the advantage of 
working more seamlessly with the Microsoft Outlook mail and Hotmail. I have a 
1TB solid state drive which is less than half full, so reduplication of 
downloaded mail isn’t a problem (yet).  Yes, it’s sometimes tedious to keep all 
of my accounts functioning properly in all four clients.  But right now, except 
for Hotmail in Spark, everything else is behaving as expected. The Spark login 
for Hotmail doesn’t allow any “reset password” feature. So I may need to reset 
it in some other client where I can configure a new password in 1Password, 
which will keep a record of it, then use that to login to Hotmail in Spark.  

Thomas






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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Shoshanna Green]

On 30 Aug 2020, at 9:40, Glenn Parker wrote:

I’m running macOS Catalina version 10.15.6, Microsoft Word for Mac 
version 16.40 (20081201), and MailMate version 1.13.1 (5707). I 
don’t use any third party clipboard utilities.


In Word, I copy some text, and then paste it into MailMate. The result 
in MailMate is plain (editable) text, no image. It doesn’t matter if 
the text is simple or formatted.


Checking the contents of the clipboard via the Finder (Edit/Show 
Clipboard) shows that the contents are in Rich Text Format (RTF).


I'm running macOS High Sierra (10.13.6), Word for Mac 16.39 (20071300), 
and MailMate 1.13.2 (5712). Copying text from Word and pasting directly 
into a MailMate composer window results in a .png attachment being 
created, although Finder's Edit--Show Clipboard says the clipboard 
contains RTF text. (MailMate doesn't "offer to create" an attachment; it 
just does it.) Pasting as plain text into MailMate does insert text as 
desired, though; thanks for reminding me of that option, whoever it was 
who mentioned it!


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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Patrik Fältström via mailmate]

Randall, you should know this better than me, but it is when pasting you choose 
which one of the buffers one should get data from, not when copying. Right?

  Patrik

On 30 Aug 2020, at 21:56, Randall Gellens wrote:

> Is there perhaps an option in Word to copy as text? My version of Word has 
> some "copy as..." options.
>
> --Randall
>
> On 29 Aug 2020, at 0:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>
>> On 28 Aug 2020, at 23:43, Shoshanna Green wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running version 1.13.2 (5712), and when I copy text in Word and paste 
>>> it into a message composer window, it turns into an attached .png image 
>>> rather than text.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that only happens because Word puts a png on the pasteboard 
>> as an alternative to the text. I guess that's a feature, but it's a bit 
>> weird...
>>
>>> (Whereas if I copy text from
>>> TextEdit, it pastes into a message correctly.) If I paste text from Word as 
>>> quoted text, with command-option-V, it does paste as text; but then I have 
>>> to un-quote and reflow it.
>>>
>>> I know Word is the devil, but it's the unavoidable devil. How can I paste 
>>> text from it into a message I'm composing? Or is this another in-progress 
>>> feature/issue?
>>
>> It's not a known issue, but it might be tricky to fix without breaking 
>> something else. I think the best is probably to add an explicit shortcut for 
>> pasting as text allowing the user to force MailMate to pick the text 
>> alternative. That would likely be ⌥⇧⌘V. I'll make a note of that.
>>
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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Patrik Fältström via mailmate]

This was what I remembered...although so many years ago I did programming on 
the Mac:



   Patrik

On 31 Aug 2020, at 4:56, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:

> Randall, you should know this better than me, but it is when pasting you 
> choose which one of the buffers one should get data from, not when copying. 
> Right?
>
>   Patrik
>
> On 30 Aug 2020, at 21:56, Randall Gellens wrote:
>
>> Is there perhaps an option in Word to copy as text? My version of Word has 
>> some "copy as..." options.
>>
>> --Randall
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2020, at 0:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>> On 28 Aug 2020, at 23:43, Shoshanna Green wrote:
>>>
 I'm running version 1.13.2 (5712), and when I copy text in Word and paste 
 it into a message composer window, it turns into an attached .png image 
 rather than text.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that only happens because Word puts a png on the pasteboard 
>>> as an alternative to the text. I guess that's a feature, but it's a bit 
>>> weird...
>>>
 (Whereas if I copy text from
 TextEdit, it pastes into a message correctly.) If I paste text from Word 
 as quoted text, with command-option-V, it does paste as text; but then I 
 have to un-quote and reflow it.

 I know Word is the devil, but it's the unavoidable devil. How can I paste 
 text from it into a message I'm composing? Or is this another in-progress 
 feature/issue?
>>>
>>> It's not a known issue, but it might be tricky to fix without breaking 
>>> something else. I think the best is probably to add an explicit shortcut 
>>> for pasting as text allowing the user to force MailMate to pick the text 
>>> alternative. That would likely be ⌥⇧⌘V. I'll make a note of that.
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Randall Gellens]

The Spark login for Hotmail doesn’t allow any “reset password” 
feature. So I may need to reset it in some other client where I can 
configure a new password in 1Password, which will keep a record of it, 
then use that to login to Hotmail in Spark.


Normally, password resets are done at the mail provider using a web 
browser, not in an email client.  Can you go to hotmail.com and reset 
your password there?


--Randall

On 30 Aug 2020, at 14:24, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:


Thanks for the thoughts. See my interlinear responses below.


On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Sam Hathaway 
 wrote:


On 30 Aug 2020, at 4:55, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:


"com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."


Thomas,

You mean, “oauth-refresh-token”, right?


Yes. You’re right.



If your account is using OAuth, your mail client won’t store the 
account password.


The keychain items that MailMate stores for my GMail account (which 
uses OAuth) are:


com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-token
com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-refresh-token

Neither of these contain my GMail password.

By contrast, for my FastMail account (which uses application 
passwords), MailMate stores these items in the keychain:


imap.fastmail.com
smtp.fastmail.com


MailMate shows the server addresses for all seven of my email 
accounts.


These both contain the FastMail application password for my account.


MailMate only shows the password for my Yahoo account, not for the two 
Gmails, the iCloud.com , the Outlook, the Hotmail, 
my employer’s Exchange account.


Basically, if your provider uses OAuth, you’re SOL any you’ll 
probably have to reset your password.

-sam

P.S.: Why do you have so many email clients?! XD


Thanks for the explanation about OAuth, which I didn’t know but 
answers a long-standing question in my mind. Is four email clients 
really very many to have installed?  Anyway, I sort of drifted into 
trying out new ones, not being fully satisfied with any of them. And I 
sometimes find that one or another behaves eccentrically so drop it 
and go to another one.  I used MS Outlook on my PC for about 15 years 
and liked its Address Book very much. Then I moved to Mac OS platform 
and took up Mail, which I found inferior.  Then someone recommended 
MailMate, which does some things much better than Mail, but is 
sometimes complex beyond my level of expertise, as in the present case 
about passwords. Then someone recommended Spark, which is fine when 
working right, but it can be devilishly recalcitrant to configure.  
And, when I got Office 365 for Mac, it came with an improved MS 
Outlook, which has the advantage of working more seamlessly with the 
Microsoft Outlook mail and Hotmail. I have a 1TB solid state drive 
which is less than half full, so reduplication of downloaded mail 
isn’t a problem (yet).  Yes, it’s sometimes tedious to keep all of 
my accounts functioning properly in all four clients.  But right now, 
except for Hotmail in Spark, everything else is behaving as expected. 
The Spark login for Hotmail doesn’t allow any “reset password” 
feature. So I may need to reset it in some other client where I can 
configure a new password in 1Password, which will keep a record of it, 
then use that to login to Hotmail in Spark.


Thomas




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Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message

[Randall Gellens]

On 30 Aug 2020, at 19:56, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:

Randall, you should know this better than me, but it is when pasting 
you choose which one of the buffers one should get data from, not when 
copying. Right?


Yes, "paste as" works everywhere I'm aware of, so is probably the best 
choice here.  I only mentioned the "copy as" possibility because I 
thought it might be easier to configure a command to do it, and at least 
my version of Word and a few other apps I use allow choosing when 
copying.  For example, my version of OmniGraffle offers a regular copy 
and also copy as PDF, PNG, TIFF, SVG, AppleScript, and JavaScript.


--Randall
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